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Well, I went into this program with horrific self esteem and an inability to assert myself on any level. I left it feeling like I had insight and awareness that most civilians didn't have and that it was incumbent on me to call them on their bullshit. No one was good enough, deep enough, or transcendent enough for me to really connect to anyone authentically. I kept looking for people to relate to on some astral plane that didn't exist because it was totally contrived in some pseudo-enlightenment cult. All the people I secretly condescended just "didn't get it."  I had no idea that I didn't it - they knew perfectly well how to go about the business of living - which is just the exigencies of daily life. I think I really felt that every day life should be as intense and "transcendental" as a Profeet. Pretty arrogant, huh?  The funny thing is I split, but still brought in.  It was a rude awakening to discover ding!ding!ding! that I missed enjoying experiences and people because they were every-day.  I didn't get that every day language, occurrences and people were valuable. What a waste.

However, I was not one of those look goods who went bananas on people in a rap and got off on power trips. I sought no power or notice. I wanted to blend into the wood panels as much as possible. I found raps to be a grotesque violation of conduct and boundaries.  Some people, however, came into the program ready to rip. They enjoyed humiliating and oppressing others, and found validation of their sociopathy from power staff gurus. The more you demeaned others, the more powerful you were thought to be... others had to be forced to confront people for bullshit reasons. You quickly learned to recognize the ones who relished it.  Also, the students who fared the best were the ones who were ultra manipulative and gifted in cons. They saw it for exactly what it was. I was too dumb to fully process it.   I kept thinking the methods were perverse, but they must have good intentions right?   There must be some value.  Well, no.

I think you are purposely misunderstanding what I'm saying, Friend.


... :roflmao: ...optimistic ?? or just self serving and greedy ??  

I am saying there are many world views. People are allowed to be optimistic if they choose... I certainly wouldn't call optimists self serving and greedy.  I know plenty of people who are not.

Comfortable with uncertainty ?? Please. :rofl: I thought all of civilization was an attempt to arrest uncertainty. That must be why the insurance industry is collapsing, because everyone is so comfortable with uncertainty.


Some people are comfortable with uncertainty. Especially when they have insurance... But when it comes to global implosion, there is not much I can do individually. I can't predict the how/what/why/when.  So, why belabor it?  I'm not gonna live in a constant state of sturm and drang and angst that's for fucking sure.


...yeah, right, but that doesn't mean that our lives don't have inherent worth or value or that we should all just throw in the towel and forget what justice is. Just another excuse not to look at whats happening.

Who throwing in the towel and forgetting what justice is? Just because I won't live in a state of constant weltschmerz doesn't mean I forgot justice.  Justice/Fairness is extremely important to me. I try to live my life that way.

No, it's not. Injustice is generally rooted in the ego consciousness and the inability to recognize the ego for what it is.

I don't need psychobabble on ego consciousness to know injustice blows.

 Samara wrote: ... currency is here to stay so no point in belaboring the issue or dreaming of a Walden Utopia unless you are ready, able, and willing to live it.

Currency is here to stay, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't see it for what it is and be able to discuss the ways that using currency effects the lives of the people. The idea that there is no point in discussing economic justice or justice in general or what you refer to here, as a "Walden Utopia", strikes me as defensive and irrational and reactionary and seems to imply guilt. Why do you make a caricature of Justice ??

Defensive, irrational, and guilty? Are you projecting?  Don't assume where I am coming from. All I said was currency whether trade or other currency is here to stay. Period. It's never been infallibly fair.  Life has never been fair. Yet, I still strive as an individual to be fair and promote fairness. I never said there is no point in discussing economic unfairness but you seem to vacillate between pie in the sky idealism and total pessimism -  which is no solution at all. So there is a point in discussing - but why use circular, elliptical reasoning? And generally,people with their knickers twisted should be living what they advocate instead of clocking others on the head with rantings, accusations and ideologies.

It's not the root of all evil. If not money, something else.  But currency is here to stay so no point in belaboring the issue or dreaming of a Walden Utopia unless you are ready, able, and willing to live it.

Speaking of the economy, I must say as BS as it is, was it better under a feudal system...? or even under the traditional more historical marital system in which women were forced to marry for economical reasons.... ? There will always be the oppressed and oppressor and there are strengths and weaknesses of each time; but true freedom?  

Can you protest when you are part of the chains that drag workers down?  As Paul says, should you get to assume all the liberties of being immoral, hypocritical, and unjust, but none of the responsibilities?  There is hypocrisy in all, but its a matter of degree and the effort to try and live a life of integrity. I would think instead of proud hypocrisy, one might endeavor to be fair and just. Regardless of "the Matrix."

Those who promote a Walden Life might first achieve it before they espouse it.

The economy sucks for many reasons. Greed, ignorance, and dwindling resources vs. growing occupants.  Maybe we'll implode. Or maybe everyone will just smarten up. Necessity is the mother.... the mother fucker of us all.

Very weird that DII's post between my disengage and 2nd post disappeared..... ?

Disengage.

En este hermosa día en México, que estoy leyendo los datos y estadísticas para mi tesis .... golpes.