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Open Free for All / This sick sick website
« on: May 31, 2006, 11:32:00 PM »
::boycott::  ::boycott::  ::boycott::  ::boycott::  ::boycott::  ::boycott::  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

Since you [US "drug tsar" McCaffrey] control a federal budget that has just been increased from $17.8 billion last year to $19.2 billion this year, is asking people like you if we should continue with our nation's current drug policy like a person asking a barber if one needs a haircut? --
                                                              Orange Country, California
                                                                  Los Angeles Times
                                                                    29 March 2000
--Judge James P. Gray


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Getting the FUCK out of florida.
« on: May 31, 2006, 11:25:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-31 09:39:00, seamus wrote:

"I mean I lived in venice,englefuckingwood,sarasota,daytona,ormond,St. augustine,miami,dania,...


I just left Engleweird... guess things had to get worse before they got better.  But I still don't have to shovel anything! :grin:

To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson


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The Troubled Teen Industry / CAICA'S SONG
« on: May 27, 2006, 11:33:00 AM »
Okay, I finally had a chance to have a listen.  I'm not a critic, and certainly couldn't do better myself.  It's pretty drawn out and overdone in the testimonial department, IMHO.

If a current, well-known singer (and no, not Britney or her pop-tart contemporaries)  releases a song about this industry, would we not applaud it?

I would love to see 60's protest songwriter write a great song about this plague.  Sadly though, I just read that Joan Baez is currently busy sitting in a tree for farmer awareness.  Where's Dylan when you need him?

Suicide bombings are faith based initiatives.
--Bill Maher


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I can't find a weblink for this story.  It appears in the North Port edition of the Charlotte Herald - Tribune on Friday, May 26, 2006 - page 5B.


Medical examiner faces more accusations
By ANDREA FANTA
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS


TALLAHASSEE - The medical examiner who rulled that a teenager kicked and struck by boot camp guards died of a blood disorder is being accused by another family of covering up an alleged 1977 beating by police officers.

Bay County medical examiner Dr. Charles Siebert covered up the deal of Michael Niesen by ruling that he sufferend injuries in a car accident and not in a beating by officers, according to a complained filed with the state by John Niesen, the deceased's brother.

Siebert is facing a similar accustion by the family of Martin Lee Anderson, the 14-year-old boy who died last January after collapsing at a boot camp operated by teh Bay County Sherrif's Office.  Siebert has denied both accusations.

Security videotape taken at the camp show Anderson struggling with up to nine guards, but Siebert ruled in his autopsy that the boy died of sickle cell disorder.  A second autopsy performed by another medical examiner in March concluded that Anderson died of suffocation from having ammonia pills forced up his nose while his mouth was covered. (Emphasis added)

"You want to know what goes on behind closed doors?  These people make decisions that affect peoples' lives, and we're just supposed to sit back and take it," John Niesen said.  "Don't let this happen to this young man's family."

Niesen said Siebert quashed a state investigation into his brother's death when he supported a first autopsy finding that his brother died from car accident injuries.

While he acknowledges Michael was ejected from a vehicle the night of his death,  John Niesen says angry police officers fatally beat him.  He showed an autopsy photo of his brother, who hasd large cuts and bruises on his head, to support his story.

Two other families joined the group to share stories about autopsies of loved ones that they accused Siebert  of botching, including a m other whose son Siebert ruled committed suicide.

Another woman, Frances Terry, claims Siebert botched an autopsy when her daughter and husband died in a September 2004 Tornado.

The autopsy report of the daughter, Donna Faye Reed, was signed by Siebert and said "the prostate and gland and testes are unremarkable" - organs that belong to men.  The autopsy of Reed's father, James Terry, failed to mention major scars on his body that were obvious. (Emphasis added)

The families urged Florida's medical examiners commision to revoke Siebert's license, saying they want to testify at any upcoming hearings about the doctor.  Officials with the commission did not respond to a phone message left Thursday.

"These families came here as victims of Dr. Sieberts autopsy findings," said Benjamin Crump, the Tallahassee attorney representing Anderson's parents.  "They believe Dr. Siebert always covers up for law enforcement.  The first time is an instance, the second time is an occurence.  But the third time is a pattern."

But Siebert again stood by his findings Thursday and said the accusations against him were untrue.



Please forgive any typos I missed - this was transcribed from the newspaper in front of me.

The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness.
-- John Muir


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On 2006-05-21 08:14:00, Rude Intrusion wrote:

"Guinness?

Its my most favoritest beer of all; but you've got to develop a taste fer it!



So said the little red head at Molly Malone's :wink:



Me, meself - I like Whitbread. Out of a frosted pint glass, if you please - Double Brilliant!!



CaCa? Who cares?"


Whitbread!  I haven't had that stuff in years... great stuff.

No laws, however stringent, can make the idle industrious, the thriftless provident, or the drunken sober
--Samuel Stiles


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The Troubled Teen Industry / The Politics of Advocacy.
« on: May 13, 2006, 11:49:00 AM »
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On 2006-05-12 20:32:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Is it just me or is there a lot of rotten two faced punks passing themselves off as advocates?
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Maybe I am wrong, but none the less I am going to found my own Advocacy group.



It will be titled:



The Arseholes for Social Justice.



In order to qualify you must be an arsehole who is willing to be an arsehole about progressive social equality.



We will willingly chum up with satan if it gets the cause of progressive social change moved forward. If we feel bad about it later well that is what Jim Beam in large doses is for.



Hell if it helps we will even willingly sware off tobacco, sex, booze, red meat, and porno for like 20 minutes if it will help get a law passed to help kids in programs.



Ok the red meat part is excessive.


Man, TSW, I'm tellin' ya - I was just about ready to follow, but I'm afraid I'd be another two-faced advocate.  If I had to swear off tobacco, sex, booze and red meat for 20 minutes, I'd be a hippocrate in 10. I can completely give up the porn though... does that count for anything? :grin:

Guard with jealous attention the public Liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that Jewel. Unfortunately, Nothing will Preserve it but downright Force. Whenever you Give Up that Force, you are ruined.....The Great Object is that every man be armed.....Everyone who is able may have a gun.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1888952229/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>- Patrick Henry


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On 2006-05-02 12:55:00, OverLordd wrote:

"BSarro



And who are you to decide what is God's work? You speak for God? If I remember my theology correctly, no one has heard from him in say. 2000 years or so (give or take 50 ish)"


Yes, BSarro is quite close to God.  She's a high class Cathlic who came seeking advice when her daughter decided to date a "low class Jew".  
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#81564

Welcome Back, B!  :wstupid:   ::troll::

All religions have been made by men.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Yahoo group for Lifers
« on: April 20, 2006, 11:42:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-20 20:35:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"go check my public gulag thread I gave you some eye candy for you to drool over helena.

Moralizing, with the force of law or coercion, is a
far greater crime against the constitutional principles of our nation than unauthorized euphoria, regardless of the substance involved, be it chocolate or heroin.
--James

"


Thanks, TSW... when I come to, and am able to mop my chin from result of IRS Shock, I'll be certain to give it a look. :grin:

If we choose to violate the rights of the innocent in order to discover and act against the guilty, then we have transformed our country into a police state and abandoned one of the fundamental tenants of a free society. In order to win the war on drugs, we must not sacrifice the life of the Constitution in the battle.
--US District Judge H. Lee Sarokin


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Yahoo group for Lifers
« on: April 20, 2006, 10:57:00 PM »
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Maybe "druggie whore" fits you better?"
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mmmmm

Druggie whores....


So many fantasizing, so little time  :rofl:

Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor


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On 2006-04-19 13:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I was at Green Pastures (Later called Victory Ranch [and the reason that the road there was named such]) home for boys in the late 80's. '85 to '88 to be exact. I was wondering if anyone knew when the boy's home was shut down and possibly circumstances surrounding that and when it reopened as Bethel.

I tried to visit the property back in 2004 to ask, but was quickly informed that the staff didn't know anything and promptly escorted back out to my car.

If anyone has any info, I can be reached at [email protected]

Thanks for your help."


Are we talking about Lucedale, MS?

At present there is not a single credible established religion in the world.
--George Bernard Shaw, Irish-born English playwright


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Public Sector Gulags / Eckerd Youth Alternatives
« on: April 18, 2006, 11:11:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-18 19:34:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Was a handsome devil ought to be the operative word. Beer, cheap women, cheaper wine, and crappy food have taken care of that.

Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits.
--Dan Barker, author and former evangelist

"


So you gonna give up the pics or what? :razz:

I believe that all important matters have to be settled here, not in the clouds somewhere after we kick off.
--Billy Joel, American musician


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / ALL CASINO ONLINE
« on: April 18, 2006, 10:23:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-18 17:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Sorry, but I'd rather not just in case. So how do you know it's a virus? You must have some info about it.  "


Any thinking person already knows about inappropriate ads appearing on inappropriate venues - if you're so skeptical, then by all means - have a click! :grin:

There's no biochemical test to distinguish the so-called manic-depressive person from the elated or despondent football fan. Nor is there any resan to assume the manic-depressive's inner experience is driven by twisted molecules while the football fan's is driven, at worst, by twisted values
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312113668/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> Dr. Peter Breggin, Toxic Psychiatry



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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / research
« on: April 18, 2006, 10:13:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-18 18:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-17 20:24:00, Anonymous wrote:



  4th Phase is 3 DAYS OFF from group per week, can go out on approved permissions, radio, tv, reading all ok again.





  5th phase is 4 days off a week, stand on side of group as first link in chain-of-command.




This is where the shit gets really twisted.  In order to achieve and keep your 4th or 5th phase status you must become a "strong oldcomer".  This means "confronting" lower phasers over whatever you could come up with to show them how much you "cared" about them.  You were "holding them accountable".  If you didn't keep up this appearance, sure as shit you'd get "stood up" in 4th or 5th phase rap with demands to know "what's going on with you" because "not being strong" with someone was a sure sign that you were "holding something in" and if you didn't confess you'd be back out on the street, deadinsaneorinjail etc. and the confrontation would continue until you came up with something.  All it really was was a snitch culture that turned us all into monsters for a time.  Kill or be killed sort of mentality."


I was never privvy to the lingo, but I often thought it strange (and sometimes still hear these words today) that my third phase oldcomer at the time would close her eyes and shake her head back and forth empahically while saying,  "I am going to be strong with you...."  Then she'd open her eyes and it was business as usual.

She was MIA at the LIFE Reunion - guess she didn't hold such a "value" on the "friendships" that formed.  :roll:

Whenever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force.
http://lfb.com/?stocknumber=FF7485&code=10247' target='_new'>Thomas Jefferson: Kentucky Resolutions, 1798



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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / research
« on: April 18, 2006, 10:17:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-17 20:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

" helena,

  your phase description is fairly accurate until phase 4.



  4th Phase is 3 DAYS OFF from group per week, can go out on approved permissions, radio, tv, reading all ok again.



  5th phase is 4 days off a week, stand on side of group as first link in chain-of-command.



  6th phase was a 6 month follow-up.  must be in on Saturday morning for 6 phase rap, put in 6 hours a week back to the group, and attend the first Open Meeting of each month."


Oh yeah! Thanks. :grin:

If you believe that people cannot be trusted to govern themselves,
then can they be trusted to govern others?
 
--Thomas Jefferson


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / research
« on: April 17, 2006, 10:30:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-16 22:48:00, michelle9905 wrote:

"I never attended Straight however, a good friend of mine did.  She spent time in facilities and homes in Texas and Florida. When she first told me of the horrible experiences she had there as a teenager I was shocked, but I didn't take it too seriously because she can be a bit nerotic.  Recently, I grew concerned and found out how serious and unjust Straight really was.



Coincidentally, I am currently preparing a speech for my Business Communications class at the University of Florida MBA program.  The assignment topic is to do a 5 minute informative speech on any company.  I am doing my speech on Straight. I know it will blow their mind.



Can someone please help me by telling me about the programs format (i.e. stages, privilages, punishments).  I want to try to give an objective view point, but all info would be helpful.



I appreciate any help you can give.



Thanks



Michelle "


Go Gators!

Ok, I'll make this as brief and objective as possible:

Phase 1:  No outside contact.  No radio, TV, reading of billboards, street signs or t-shirt lettering.  Anything with letters that you see you must avert your eyes.  You spend 10 hours a day in "group", and at night you stay in a host home.  In this host home, the person in charge of you is your "oldcomer", who is responsible for never letting you out of sight.  If you move across the room, you must be held onto by the back of your pants, with the oldcomer's thumb through the back belt loop (a practice called "beltlooping".

You must ask to pick up a utensil with which to eat your food at the table.  You are accompanied to the bathroom, where you are watched while you perform your elimination procedures.  After you are finished, (depending on the oldcomer) you are either given your alotted amount of toilet paper, or you are watched sternly as you unroll it yourself - and you'll know when you've taken too much.

The only words you are allowed to read are your own that you write in a notebook each night, in a prescribed format:  The Moral Inventory.  In this "homework assignment", you must "confess" something (even something as dumb as wishing you had a second helping of mac-n-cheez for dinner... if you have nothing else to confess, anything will do), then you must describe in detail how this is detrimental to you and others, then you must in detail describe how you will work on never covet thy neighbors mac-n-cheez again.

(Yes, phase one is lengthy - it's really all I saw)

Phase two - you get to return to your home, and lord over others as an "Oldcomer"  You are still forbidden to read, write, or hear about anything about "the outside".   You're still not allowed to be outside for any longer than it takes to walk yourself and your newcomer charge to the front door.

Phase three - You get to return to school, and have the same oldcomer priveliges as phase two.  However,  now you can be in the same room with a radio or a TV, you just can't get too interested in it.  At this phase you're allowed to linger in the front yard as long as adults are watching... just not too long.

Phase four - you can go to school and hang outside freely, as long as someone is watching you from the inside.  You can watch TV and listen to radio at this point.  You get one day off from group.

Phase five -  Same as phase four, except now you qualify to be a Staff Trainee.

Phase six - (aka "Staff Trainee") - almost all sixth phasers were Staff Trainees at my spinoff program.  I believe the delineation between phase five and six were that you no longer hovered over newcomers on phase six.

And then one Friday night, you reach the pinnacle - you're told you're a "Seventh Stepper"!  HUZZAH!
(and the crowd goes wild)

Sara
UF - CLAS Class of 2002

...it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..

--Samuel Adams


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