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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: ZenAgent on April 29, 2007, 11:54:03 AM
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I'd like to bring this back up again, it's off another thread "L.C. We can take out Peninsula Village" Read L.C.'s story, examine the style, the use of question marks. Maybe WANF was unaware of this thread, I don't know. I got in touch with WANF through another board, not Fornits.
Her story was very important to Stoodoo and I - we were unaware of PV, and this is the first thing Stoodoo read. It was up on Infoshop, and in that version, "Mokara" tied PV closely to fascism. This was posted on Infoshop over a year ago.
WANF is not a plant, she's another survivor and a bit unfamiliar with forums. She writes quickly, and is passionate about her concerns and unfortunately didn't realize how (normally) focused we try to be on the topics of the threads. To her, it's all inter-related, with PV being another symptom of a sick society.
I could not be sure she was the same person who contacted me by email. I tried, she dodged. Eventually I became suspicious, and thought she might be tied to a PV counselor who has recently posted a very personal attack on me, mostly, but also discusses my step daughter's case, disclosing details a little too individually identifiable, resulting in my family filing a HIPAA complaint. Like I've said before, the staffers at PV aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. Professional ethics isn't something a GED covers, or four years in a community college.
The thought it was the same young lady still nagged at me, and I emailed her again and received no response. I posted a bit of confidential information I thought she'd recognize, she missed it or was afraid to address it. Then people started jumping her case, she started shooting back. I got mad, and had a go at her, and sure enough, she DID see the confidential info, and asked how I knew (blank). It was all I needed for proof. I made a bit of amends, told her we were all on the same team, and we should start over. I haven't communicated with her on Fornits since, only encouraged her to use P.M. after registering, and I would answer her questions. She had realized I was the person she had contacted, and I guess she hadn't checked her email account recently - I had told her in an email I went by Zen Agent on Fornits.
WANF and I were both victims of post-PV paranoia. She wants to help.
The person posting in all caps who wanted to chew on Niles prostrate - not WANF. Please, folks, she means no harm. She has a lot of issues she considers important, and if some words offend her, I guess we shouldn't mock her. I know I made some nasty remarks, because censorship is one of the things I despise.
Again, she means no harm, and she knows a lot about the abuses at PV. I hope she'll fill out TSW's questionnaire, she could shed a lot of light on what things were like around 1998, and what changes have occurred. Although the statute of limitations is up for her to file a lawsuit against PV for the gut-churning abuses she's described, there's still a chance she and any of the girls she attended PV with can file a lawsuit. There is an exception to the statute of limitations, the "date of discovery". I have a "discovery" she would only be aware of after I email her the info, then she has a new case with a fresh start on the statute of limitations.
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Survivor's Report: Peninsula Village
By L.C.
Everything in my statement is true. I give HEAL permission to use my statement. I swear everything I wrote here is to the best of my knowledge completely true and I will be held accountable for anything written here.
I have personally witnessed the repeated abuse of minors at the Peninsula Village facility and would be more than happy to testify or present evidence to this fact. These behavior modification teen wilderness camps are a controversial excuse for therapy at best, they are also exorbitantly expensive. PV costs 500 dollars a night, more if they are "forced" to restrain you, or if you are in STU, the lock down unit. PV costs over a 150,000.00 a year, the kids in PV either have very good insurance or the state, tax dollars, pay for them to be abused. Children?s parents can sign them over to behavioral modification facilities with no court order for ?crimes? that no court would convict. The children are isolated in the facilities and have no recourse whatsoever. Many of the parents are abusive.
When I started to research PV I was amazed to discover how completely unqualified many of the daily staff is. The job requirements to be a live in counselor are a high school education or a GED, associate degrees from community colleges are common. Out of the staff that PV shows on it's website, I don't believe I saw one member of the daily staff that actually lives with the kids. Therefore, it is obvious that Peninsula Village turns an excellent yearly profit. I will include the job requirements for PV I found on the Covenant Health website under job search. The purpose of this letter is to officially report and describe the abuses that I both witnessed and was subjected to, in the hopes that it will help the children still suffering under that nightmare.
I was in Peninsula Village from 96 to 98, both my parents and I feel that we were extremely misled as to what my treatment there would be like. I was in the lock down unit for six months on arrival to the Village although I was cowed, completely subservient and did everything that they told me to. I was physically restrained on the first day in a hospital gown by at least 8 large adults for nothing more than pulling my arm away, it was an impulse reaction, when the large orderly woman dugs her nails purposefully into my arm. I know that this was purposeful. I was sitting on the floor in the isolation room looking up at the staff member when I pulled away but only instantaneously as a sort off knee jerk reaction and not violently, she had hurt me. She then stepped back looked at me again and pressed the buzzer staff wears around their neck to signal a restraint. There was absolutely no need to restrain me other than to prove a point, we can hurt you if we want to, which I don?t believe they are allowed to use restraining for. I was already in the isolation room all she had to do was walk out and close the door, I also wasn?t at all violent or had even thought to be, I regarded her as a teacher or some other adult authority figure, you certainly do not react violently to a teacher. I was not in PV for any form of violence. I wasn?t even defiant, mostly I was scared, crying and sitting on the floor of the isolation room in a ball. This was after the intrusive body search and being woken up at 5:30 in the morning by three burly adults who escorted me to Tennessee, it was more like being kidnapped.
While being restrained the Peninsula Village staff applied excessive pressure, I couldn't breathe and kept repeating that I was choking, but they let no pressure off, I was bruised and sore the next day, the restraint went on for hours. I saw one girl with a nasty black eye which they said came from pressing her face into the floor, like that made it better. I saw other cases with bruised arms, wrists legs and faces. There is no doubt in my mind that they could have restrained my totally non-resistant sobbing 95 pound borderline anorexic teenage self between all 1400 pounds of the 8 of them without hurting me. I was not fighting at all, even at first, I was far too shocked. Each held a body part so it was not a case of too many cooks in the kitchen, the individual staff member meant to hurt us. They also kept restraining you long after any fight was gone and even if none was there in the first place. I remember girls being restrained for what seemed like all night, although it was really only about three hours. There was an isolation room in the lockdown unit, nice cold hard linoleum with cement underneath but they would restrain you anywhere, gravel, garden manure, wherever.
They also used a straight jacket called a burrito. I can remember seeing a state kid stuck in that thing for a day or more, they were leading her around. Other girls were strapped to a cot wrapped up in it, given what must have been a lot of thorazine and other drugs, and left to drool. There were about two or three restraints a week often more. I was once restrained because I couldn't stop crying , I really couldn't I would have stopped of course to avoided being restrained, I was about as resistant as a wet noodle and they still held me down choking for hours. They would restrain girls for nothing, for saying in group therapy, I don?t agree with that politely enough , or for sitting down on work detail saying that they felt sick and needed to rest.
We were not allowed to look at or talk to the other girls and we had to ask for permission to do anything, move even, of course go to the bathroom and we had to tell them what it is we had to do, they stood outside the door and timed us. There was no reading, and no free time, Group therapy was more like a denouncement session and began as soon as you were crying, that is later on the first day, after they had restrained you for a few hours and you were a broken puddle ready to confess to anything. I don't believe that many of the staff that actually lives with the girls on a daily basis is especially educated, perhaps some BA's and associate degrees, These are the one?s who actually deal with the children and run group therapy and restrain them, I don?t believe there is one daily staff member pictured on the internet and they are the ones who actually live with the girls. .
The lights in the lockdown unit, STU, where I spent the first six months, were left on all the time, we slept in cubicles and were often woken by the staff patrolling , they were always standing over us. We were punished constantly, abuse was constant every second for those two years. The cubicles had no fronts and the room was small. We were not allowed outside, until we were ready to move out to the cabins. This was horrible, after sitting on a bed for six months we were suddenly made to do back breaking physical work all day.
We had level systems, I never got beyond the first level although I was completely compliant. I don't think I was as willing to rip into my fellow prisoners as much they would have liked. Group therapy was a cult denouncement experience, it was pure hell, and I am not exaggerating. They would find out your deepest darkest secrets and then browbeat you with them like you were disgusting dirt, we could say nothing to defend ourselves or we would face being PCId/ restrained. They liked sexual revelations and would ask you everything about them, specific details and more details, it was not appropriate, odd and used to induce shame. You would confess to things you didn't do and then they would tell your family. Many of the girls were in there for something that had happened to them, the website, says the Village is an expert at helping abused girls. It was terrible to watch them torture some poor teenager who was in there because she had been raped or molested. Many of the girls had been raped or molested, myself included, and to be held up to shame, ridicule and denouncement in relation to sex at a place that was supposed to help you with your experience was a pure nightmare.
They encourage the girls to pick on each other, to rip into each other during group therapy so bullying is greatly encouraged, in fact the level system is based strongly on it. There was desperation mentality, as we all struggled so hard to avoid being punished and they punished all of us together, I realize now that the punishments were arbitrary, no matter how hard we tried to avoid them they were still going to rain down on our heads. We would pretend to give feedback, their word for harassment and abuse, but how can you tear someone apart after listening to them scream all night while staff held their face into the floor. There were also frequent outbreaks of head lice while I was in STU. Many of us wanted to work with the Village, I personally wanted sane educated adults to help me. It was extremely confusing and terrifying.
It seemed very odd that some of the girls were in a behavior modification facility at all and it was hard to tell how all this abuse was going to help any of them. The treatment did not seem at all relevant to the problems the girls were having? One of the girls was there for telling her parents that she was gay and that was really it. There were a lot of anorexics. Worst of all some had done nothing other than get molested by a close relative, to the horror of their families. The PV website says that PV is an expert at helping girls deal with issues like rape and molestation. I want to know whether or not the relative being accused was being investigated? It most cases I saw it was being somewhat brushed under the rug or almost completely brushed under the rug. There was very limited contact with the outside world, especially for girls who's families had signed them over. It did not seem reasonable that these girls were treated as if they were being punished or were in jail for more serious offenses. I thought too, that a lot of the girls who were in for more serious things were acting out more serious problems in their lives, like the kids who had unfit parents and were in foster care. It is a very hard world out there for a teenage runaway with drug addict, alcoholic, abusive parents. It really is, I lived with them for a long time, the stories were pretty typical. Perhaps better educated staff would have been more aware.
The counselors run all the group therapy sessions and group therapy is the only kind of therapy we had at the Village. We had brief individual therapy once every two months maybe less and group therapy two or three time a day. Some girls were good students, there were also a certain amount of custody battles. The Village likes to add as much social stigma as possible to the teenagers there because it keeps them in business. Some were pretty ordinary teenagers, who were dealing with issues like boys, sex, pressure to drink and smoke pot or being tormented by kids at their schools. I'll include the criteria for admissions to PV at the bottom of the page it is so broad as to be funny if it wasn't horrible.
After the lock down unit with its cramped quarters and barred mesh covered windows for months, we had the cabins and work detail. Work detail was exercise digging up stumps, cross sawing logs, mauling logs, building endless things under the constant abuse of the staff in the hot sun. I believe I was also suffering from sleep deprivation because we were often woken up at two in the morning to go out to the log shed to be shown how much wood still needed to be chop or for some other arbitrary reason, we also always woke up before dawn and didn't get to bed till late because we always had endless chores or punishments to finish. I used to fall asleep standing up, literally on a daily basis. We marched around in lines, or holding on to a rope, and there was still no talking or looking at the other girls, it was very lonely. We had to haul around the Gott, a water jug that weighed so much your arms would feel like they were going to fall off and you'd want to vomit but if you dropped it you knew you were in worse trouble, we carried around many heavy things. The Gott was our water for the cabin.
The cabins have no running water or bathrooms only porta johns. They exercise you past the breaking point and then over a little, and then much more. It was torture, I can't emphasize that enough torture, we did this all day most days, unless we were in school or on shutdown. We had no free time, we weren't allowed to read or anything, everything was tightly scheduled and we would always miss our schedule and be punished although we tried in pure desperation to make them happy so they would stop. Our showers were timed, everything was timed. Hygiene wasn?t that great and there was no makeup or jewelry or of course shaving your legs, only ugly work cloths. I only mention this because it is very dehumanizing for a young girl. We had no free time whatsoever, I did not speak to another girl the entire time I was there, without staff permission, which was rare. We weren't allowed to read, that was the worst for me because I love to read. No books, how are you suppose to learn without being able to read.
School was ok when you got to go, but it wasn't very organized and there was a lot of other stuff going on, we also only went half of the school week, so we could do more important things like dig stumps out of the ground, I guess. Most left with a GED, I think they really focused on GED training, which makes it hard to get into colleges, especially if when they ask for high school credits you list a behavior modification facility. Often if something came up, like we went on shutdown or were sent to STU, the lockdown unit, we would miss school all together. Once they had us sit in a circle with our backs to each other and stare at the wall for five months only to turn around for group therapy and to be escorted to the bathroom. We had no school for those five months and five months is a long time to sit in a circle starring at a wall only to turn around for a denouncement session.
From all the restraining you are probably thinking that the girls were always acting up. I can not stress how completely not true this is. For the most part they were more like zombies than wild teenagers. I?ve done some research on prison camps and abuse and I don't believe there is a teenager girl out there that isn?t going to turn into a limp half dead dish rag in the face of no escape, constant abuse; mental, physical, emotional and sexual although not physically so, denouncement sessions, sleep deprivation, sadistic people four times her size watching her constantly and being drugged. The opposition I saw was closer to nervous breakdowns than violent defiance. There was some defiance but it was only verbal protests of the abuse, that I saw. The girls crossed the staff at the Village in really sad to watch ways, like protesting the denouncement sessions, no being molested wasn?t my fault, or saying I can?t work anymore I feel sick or I can?t stop sobbing I?m trying but I can?t stop, I?m just going to sit here and not move. Saying, ?this is wrong? was enough to get you restrained, or showing any annoyance at the abuse. I don?t think I saw anyone physically fight back or even threaten too except by pulling away or as they were already being restrained and this was usually accompanied by a very believable, remember I saw many bruises, you are hurting me I can?t breath. The only time I saw anyone fight, or squirm from underneath eight gigantic adults, is when they were already being restrained. These were usually the girls who had suffered long term serious abuse and it is not surprising they would become upset when being abused again. They staff was far too eager to restrain people and unbelievably cruel and abusive in their daily treatment on the girls. I never saw anything that posed as a danger to staff or the other girls but I sure as saw them restrain people a lot, at least two or three times a week. I also thought it odd that if the girls are so dangerous that they would have them marching around with hammers, cross saws, mauls, axes and other pretty dangerous things.
I believe there is an abusive criteria for staff at the Village that they are told to follow, they show no sympathy and harass the girls constantly. I believe the idea is to keep the level of stress extremely high. There was a good deal of talk about breaking us down to be built back up although I saw no building back up, and I was there for about eighteen months. Also, I believe behavior modification involves rewarding good behavior. The punishments at the Village were completely arbitrary and rewards involved things like being allowed to use salt and pepper on your food. Staff would do things like walk around and mess up your bed and then yell at you while you tried to remake it while being timed, this is a slight example but it would happen, or something like it, twenty times a day sometimes at two in the morning, and was extremely nerve wracking. It was completely odd arbitrary stuff that basically allowed for you to be abused no matter what, and it taught you that no matter what abuse is constant. It was much like living in an extremely abusive family I believe. Not very helpful to victims of molestation, or abuse?
One of the counselors, extremely undereducated, she had a associates degree from a community college, was found on My Space to belong to a community that photographs women in bondage. There were many pictures of young women in bondage on her website. In another instance, a director of the girls side, was arrested for driving extremely drunk, I believe she tried to back down a highway entrance ramp and hit another car. It turned out she was an alcoholic.
Peninsula Village of course, won't let you talk to your parents except after I think it was six months for me, even then just by phone with a family therapist on conference call so if you break out of the party line and say ?please get me out it?s a nightmare? large orderlies can appear and march you back for more abusive indoctrination. They also read your mail. They laugh at you when you say you want a lawyer. Your parents have of course been told you are a lying manipulator and not to believe you and that you just want to come home so you can go out with boys and smoke pot. Kids wet the bed because they were too scared to ask to go to the bathroom at night, either that or all the abuse was manifesting in weird ways. I wouldn't believe it except I lived it and I swear on my life everything I said is 150% true.
I have lasting scars from this experience, I have nightmares almost every night, not always about the village just in general, that the world is a horrible place and all the scary fascist people are going to eat me and everything I care about and I'm going to be completely at there mercy. Besides the nightmares sometimes I shake uncontrollably if I am frightened or nervous, it is very embarrassing and is not helpful at work or in school. I have finally gotten over my overwhelming social anxiety enough that I am well on my way too having a college degree and have a life of my own. The Village taught me nothing other than how to be cowed and subservient and to think it was ok when someone abuses me, I still am completely incapable of making eye contact with other human beings. The Village teaches you to give in to peer pressure and let your self be influenced by those around you even if they are going against what you think is ethical. I can?t emphasize enough how bad Peninsula Village is. I was amazed that we had no rights while in there. I asked to speak to a lawyer or someone from the outside, I heard girls ask to have the police called repeatedly, and they laughed at us. Therapy at PV is a horrible lie. They take abused girls and tell them that they deserve abuse. It's the daily mantra there, how everything is your fault, your rape, your parents problems, your anorexia, your life in foster care. I never got to talk to another girl the entire time I was there, other than with asked permission and staff listening, even then it was just about mandatory things, like, put the piece of wood down here. I can understand how people are taken in by Peninsula Village, from the outside it looks ok, my parents trusted and had no idea that such things even exist in America, they believed as I did that it was a safe and caring program that would help their daughter like most school and health programs. People don't believe that something this insane, this Gulag like, would exist in America. No-one sees it from the inside except the daily staff and the girls really and us they do so much to discredit and keep down that we do not believe anyone will believe us or care. I feel as if I have just recently woken up from Peninsula Village?s nightmare and it has been seven + years. It is an evil, horrible place that should be shut down and they should have any licensing stripped from them and be brought up on child abuse charges.
I am sorry it has taken me so long to report PV but I was still very young when I was freed from there. I was also embarrassed, traumatized and I had no support in reporting the Village. I am still afraid of the social stigma and of the Village itself. It is hard for me not to believe that people can?t show up at my door, proclaim that I have some sort of disorder, and carry me off to a room with heavy doors and no contact with the outside world, never to be heard from again. Your organization is against such things and protects people from them. What can be done to fix this horror? Why is this legal, how can they isolate and torture minors? I know girls are still suffering there! I reported PV to the Tennessee Child Protection Agency and they said that they had heard PV had cleaned up their act. This is blatantly untrue. There are a variety of websites and even a book, very recently written or posted, by parents of PV survivors or the girls themselves that prove PV has changed none of it?s abusive practices, their website itself proves they are up to their same old game. I also reported PV to the local Tennessee police and they completely ignored me. Someone needs to investigate PV and they would see what I am saying is true. Again I officially swear that everything I have said here is completely true to the best of my knowledge and I would be more than happy to swear this in court. I would not be afraid of any form of liable issues because I know what I saw and experienced to be true, I am only afraid of social stigma in relation to my work and school and of PV itself.
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PROGRAM COUNSELOR
Job Code: 17673
Location: PENINSULA VILLAGE
Department: Girl's Outdoor Program
Description: Full Time Position: Four days/ three nights.
Requirements: Social services degree preferred, but H.S. diploma with experience will be considered.
Duties: Work in the outdoor setting with patients in a residential facility. Provide safety, supervision and therapy to adolescents in our care. Need extreme flexibility with scheduling and extensive availability.
Covenant Health is committed to a safe and healthy work environment. Therefore, employment is subject to a successful background check and drug screen. Also, a credit check may be performed on applicable positions that deal with handling money. EOE
Education: High School Diploma/GED
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" a PV counselor who has recently posted a very personal attack on me, mostly, but also discusses my step daughter's case, disclosing details a little too individually identifiable, resulting in my family filing a HIPAA complaint. Like I've said before, the staffers at PV aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. Professional ethics isn't something a GED covers, or four years in a community college.
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Er,- are you talking about the person who posted recently in the "being a terrible person under the cloak of free speach" recently thats me.
And if you are, you are still MISCONSTRUING A SURVIVOR FOR STAFF :roll:
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Incedentally, I've also been telling you youve have been arguing with someone imitating WANF for a while now, and were you less interested in scoring body shots off her, you would have heard me and noticed, for it was pretty obvious :roll:
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Er,- are you talking about the person who posted recently in the "being a terrible person under the cloak of free speach" recently thats me.
And if you are, you are still MISCONSTRUING A SURVIVOR FOR STAFF :roll:
You're proving yourself to be a "C" word, non-registered one. Survivor or not, you've been trolling me. No, I'm not talking about you, unless you're a PV counselor into photographing chicks in bondage gear and posting the work on a public MySpace account. Are you a counselor at PV? The person I'm talking about identifies herself as one. You're the great defender of WANF, if you had actually read her posts you would know who I'm talking about. You have the spelling skills of a PV staffer, and yes, I'm insulting you, "survivor". I've been dealing with a few of PV's "mascots" lately, the show horses they trot out for parents' weekends. They spout this line, my wife and daughter heard it enough: "Yeah, they brought us in here kicking and screaming, but we ended up hating to leave," These are the torturous types from the richest families, shielded ass-lickers who achieved "counselor's pet" status by going to work on the kids placed there by the state, humiliating them and getting real sick kicks out of helping the staff break them down. They probably practiced on the maid back home. Rich, white punks on dope having a go at victims of sexual abuse, rape, anorexia, depression. I can drive over to the house of one mascot, she's a prize. She attends AA meetings for appearance and heads for the clubs afterward to drink her body weight. It was because of this slag my step daughter ended up in PV.
I don't consider these people "survivors", and I have no reason to consider you one. Register and identify the place that abused you. You're a non-entity with a big mouth, and it seems obvious to me you're the troll who imitated WANF and threatened to masticate Niles' prostate.
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Shit...I can't stand it, let's fix this mess. It's obvious you spent more time learning the banjo than English.
(Incedentally)(incidentally), I've also been telling you (youve)(you've) (have)(unnecessary, considering you've already used the contraction "you've") been arguing with someone imitating WANF for a while now, and (were you)(If you had been) less interested in scoring body shots off her(off her what?), you would have (heard me and) (delete - you were writing, not speaking) noticed, (for) (delete - it's pretentious, especially for you) it was pretty obvious :roll:
Alright. When you started impersonating WANF, I had stopped posting. My last comment was on page 35, and the thread has run on to fifty pages. I did notice you, bubba, especially when you used all caps and started making threats against your betters. I noticed you trying to get my attention with insults, long after I quit posting.
Now you appear where ever I post, talking mindless shit, insulting my step daughter who isn't participating on this board, and basically begging me to (figuratively) kick your ass up to your shoulder blades and render you a hunchbacked hillbilly. You're as subtle as a gang rape, Jethro.
Look, making it through two family reunions without your butthole becoming the bullseye in a game of dick-darts does not make you a "survivor". We're talking about programs, not hillbilly courting rituals.
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You're proving yourself to be a "C" word, non-registered one. Survivor or not, you've been trolling me. No, I'm not talking about you, unless you're a PV counselor into photographing chicks in bondage gear and posting the work on a public MySpace account. Are you a counselor at PV? The person I'm talking about identifies herself as one. You're the great defender of WANF, if you had actually read her posts you would know who I'm talking about. You have the spelling skills of a PV staffer, and yes, I'm insulting you, "survivor". .
Ohhh insulting. :roll: Really, I’m not insulted about my spelling being bad- Apparently like a PV staffers. It really is quite atrocious. But I think you should cut back on comparing everything you find sub-par to P.V It could get quite ludicrous- as in:
"gee hon, that meal wasn’t good, the meatloaf was dry and tasteless as if it were peninsula village” or
"Honey, I don’t feel our lovemaking connected tonight, it was like you just weren’t there, just like at Peninsula Village - the credentials of the psychotherapists weren’t there."
I've been dealing with a few of PV's "mascots" lately, the show horses they trot out for parents' weekends. They spout this line, my wife and daughter heard it enough: "Yeah, they brought us in here kicking and screaming, but we ended up hating to leave," These are the torturous types from the richest families, shielded ass-lickers who achieved "counselor's pet" status by going to work on the kids placed there by the state, humiliating them and getting real sick kicks out of helping the staff break them down. They probably practiced on the maid back home. Rich, white punks on dope having a go at victims of sexual abuse, rape, anorexia, depression. I can drive over to the house of one mascot, she's a prize. She attends AA meetings for appearance and heads for the clubs afterward to drink her body weight. It was because of this slag my step daughter ended up in PV.
I don't consider these people "survivors", and I have no reason to consider you one. Register and identify the place that abused you. You're a non-entity with a big mouth, and it seems obvious to me you're the troll who imitated WANF and threatened to masticate Niles' prostate.
Huh? Ive never practiced anything on my maid.
I thought we just established I’m not related to peninsula village.
Newsflash: The world does not revolve around you
Not everyone is directly involved in your personal drama
I’ve never been NEAR Penninsula Villiage When I go down South I skip the scary part and go straight to Palm Beach. I didn’t respond to your posts about WANF because I am involved with PV but because you were a shitty person.
Since you’ve taken responsibility for being abusive, my response should not seem odd to you. O.K. so things are cleared up now
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Shit...I can't stand it, let's fix this mess. It's obvious you spent more time learning the banjo than English.
(Incedentally)(incidentally), I've also been telling you (youve)(you've) (have)(unnecessary, considering you've already used the contraction "you've") been arguing with someone imitating WANF for a while now, and (were you)(If you had been) less interested in scoring body shots off her(off her what?), you would have (heard me and) (delete - you were writing, not speaking) noticed, (for) (delete - it's pretentious, especially for you) it was pretty obvious :roll:
Alright. When you started impersonating WANF, I had stopped posting. My last comment was on page 35, and the thread has run on to fifty pages. I did notice you, bubba, especially when you used all caps and started making threats against your betters. I noticed you trying to get my attention with insults, long after I quit posting.
Now you appear where ever I post, talking mindless shit, insulting my step daughter who isn't participating on this board, and basically begging me to (figuratively) kick your ass up to your shoulder blades and render you a hunchbacked hillbilly. You're as subtle as a gang rape, Jethro.
Look, making it through two family reunions without your butthole becoming the bullseye in a game of dick-darts does not make you a "survivor". We're talking about programs, not hillbilly courting rituals.
Thanks for taking the time to correct my grammer. I considered posting a paper for you to edit but thought that would be a little pathetic. ..Kinda like editing an internet post in the first place. But hey- this is an internet forum, why not be as pathetic as possible? ..When in Rome....
I never learned the Banjo. Wish I had. Lovely instrument. Nor have I learned to rap while gang banging, chewing fried chicken, smokin the crack & whatever sterotypes accompany blacks which would correspond to the stereotypes you have used for poor Southerners.
Im personally offended by neither as a white girl whom has lived her whole life in New England.
Alot of people use this forum and who not connected to your personal drama. There is a wide world beyond you. My responses to you havent been from PV but from that wide world. As youve apologized to WANF for being abusive you can see why I would have been grossed out. I hope it was a sincere redress & not merely an attempt to involve her in your suit. I also know people make terrible mistakes and am not saying you are a terrible person.
May I suggest the anger you display toward me is not really about me but about what was revealed within yourself and perhaps your stressful life situation in general. So lets move on....
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Shit...I can't stand it, let's fix this mess. It's obvious you spent more time learning the banjo than English.
(Incedentally)(incidentally), I've also been telling you (youve)(you've) (have)(unnecessary, considering you've already used the contraction "you've") been arguing with someone imitating WANF for a while now, and (were you)(If you had been) less interested in scoring body shots off her(off her what?), you would have (heard me and) (delete - you were writing, not speaking) noticed, (for) (delete - it's pretentious, especially for you) it was pretty obvious :roll:
Alright. When you started impersonating WANF, I had stopped posting. My last comment was on page 35, and the thread has run on to fifty pages. I did notice you, bubba, especially when you used all caps and started making threats against your betters. I noticed you trying to get my attention with insults, long after I quit posting.
Now you appear where ever I post, talking mindless shit, insulting my step daughter who isn't participating on this board, and basically begging me to (figuratively) kick your ass up to your shoulder blades and render you a hunchbacked hillbilly. You're as subtle as a gang rape, Jethro.
Look, making it through two family reunions without your butthole becoming the bullseye in a game of dick-darts does not make you a "survivor". We're talking about programs, not hillbilly courting rituals.
Thanks for taking the time to correct my grammer. I considered posting a paper for you to edit but thought that would be a little pathetic. ..Kinda like editing an internet post in the first place. But hey- this is an internet forum, why not be as pathetic as possible? ..When in Rome....
I never learned the Banjo. Wish I had. Lovely instrument. Nor have I learned to rap while gang banging, chewing fried chicken, smokin the crack & whatever sterotypes accompany blacks which would correspond to the stereotypes you have used for poor Southerners.
Im personally offended by neither as a white girl whom has lived her whole life in New England.
Alot of people use this forum and who not connected to your personal drama. There is a wide world beyond you. My responses to you havent been from PV but from that wide world. As youve apologized to WANF for being abusive you can see why I would have been grossed out. I hope it was a sincere redress & not merely an attempt to involve her in your suit. I also know people make terrible mistakes and am not saying you are a terrible person.
May I suggest the anger you display toward me is not really about me but about what was revealed within yourself and perhaps your stressful life situation in general. So lets move on....
Do I need to apologize to you, too, Massengill? You're getting half the point, which is probably a personal best for you: I'm not a nice fucking guy, and I am a "terrible person" to assholes. I'll run roughshod over stupid and evil hacks like you with a quickness. Why do you attach the behaviors of Southern peckerwoods to Blacks? That's a pretty shitty thing to say, coming from such a judgemental person as yourself. No Black people I know are called "hillbillies", "Jethro", or "Bubba". Quit slinging your racist shit.
Everybody on this forum who isn't a tourist like you has a program they're focused on. PV kept my family separated for over seven months and they were physically and mentally abusive to a member of my family. Do you understand why I have a lack of affection for the shitpit? I haven't heard what program you were in, "survivor". People focused on HLA - it's reduced to rubble. People focused on Whitmore - it's gone. Now we need to focus on you, troll.
I hope it was a sincere redress & not merely an attempt to involve her in your suit. I also know people make terrible mistakes and am not saying you are a terrible person.
You're like a broken record, we've gone over this ad infinitum. She's not involved in any lawsuit with me. I haven't said a whole lot about lawsuits, you're getting ahead of yourself. Let's break it down:
1. It's none of your fucking business what the contents of emails going between Free and I are. You're not the judge of what's an "acceptable" apology either, troll.
2. It's none of your fucking business what lawsuits I'm involved in, and with whom. If I want input, I'll get it from someone I trust, not some sniping, mentally feeble troll who wants to be the "Politeness Police".
May I suggest the anger you display toward me is not really about me but about what was revealed within yourself and perhaps your stressful life situation in general. So lets move on....
No, you may not suggest that. It really is all about you, you're like a fucking disease. You're an anonymous tool on a mission from your masters to fuck around on Fornits.
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Ohhh insulting. Really, I’m not insulted about my spelling being bad- Apparently like a PV staffers. It really is quite atrocious. But I think you should cut back on comparing everything you find sub-par to P.V It could get quite ludicrous- as in:
"gee hon, that meal wasn’t good, the meatloaf was dry and tasteless as if it were peninsula village” or
"Honey, I don’t feel our lovemaking connected tonight, it was like you just weren’t there, just like at Peninsula Village - the credentials of the psychotherapists weren’t there."
What? Your spelling is so sub-PV. Really, I mean, like you know...I think I'll like...not...you know, give much thought to your "But I think you should..." because you're like...ludicrous, and totally peevee...
Newsflash: The world does not revolve around you
Not everyone is directly involved in your personal drama
You certainly are trying to get directly involved. You're like a dog, constantly trying to hump my leg. Seriously, you're wearing out your pathetic argument, and trying to get as "directly involved" as possible. You want to know about lawsuits, who's involved in them, who's not included, who's mean to who, but you're not a troll, right? You're a concerned "survivor".
I’ve never been NEAR Penninsula Villiage When I go down South I skip the scary part and go straight to Palm Beach. I didn’t respond to your posts about WANF because I am involved with PV but because you were a shitty person.
Since you’ve taken responsibility for being abusive, my response should not seem odd to you. O.K. so things are cleared up now
Are you insulting the state of Tennessee, slag? Why am I a "shitty person"? I apologized for my mistake. It's a done deal. You hassle me about PV, but you're clinging to this WANF business like a starving jackyl. It's finished. You're starting to look like a "shitty" person yourself. I mean, you have this "eye for an eye" vendetta going on. You accuse me of insulting Free, so you insult my step daughter in a way far more harsh and abusive than ANYONE was to Free. Remember, Free is posting on Fornits and knows what to expect now...my step daughter is not posting, and shouldn't be expected to put up with abuse from a "C" word like yourself. A Palm Beach "C" word at that. Paris Hilton wannabe...
Apologize to my step daughter, you "shitty" person. Make it a "sincere redress". I'll bet you get a kick out of abusing program survivors. Perhaps the anger you display toward my step daughter is actually an expression of your own internalized self-loathing. You've got a lot to loath, too.
Don't be so PV...
Now, make your very sincere apology to this child you've grossly insulted (if you can find a sincere apology in the depths of your sick and twisted soul - seriously, you said some horrible things) and maybe she can read the forums again without being victimized by "shitty" people like you.
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And to top it off I bet the damn troll drinks light beer.
Fucking 'ell!!!!
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Drinking light beer is like having sex in a canoe...it's fucking close to water.
Maybe we could discourage these trolls from slunking around here unregistered if they weren't automatically called "guests" or allowed to make up names when they post. They could get random names, like "rat dung", "flatus", or "pro-gerbiler". Diseases would be good, one troll would get "syphilis", another would get "gonorrhea". The "C" word could randomly come up as an unregistered user name.
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If you don't like guest anonymous posting, go post in TSW's forum, he will moderate your entire thread if you ask him nicely. I'm sorry you have to put up with guests, I know for a fact neither of you have ever posted anonymously before.
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ratshit eater
pillow biter
alien cum dumpster
Add those to the list please!
-TSW posting as a guest.
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If you don't like guest anonymous posting, go post in TSW's forum, he will moderate your entire thread if you ask him nicely. I'm sorry you have to put up with guests, I know for a fact neither of you have ever posted anonymously before.
Oh, my. What's wrong, Sunshine? Why so grumpy, huh? I want you to know that I'm here for you and I respect you as a human being. Tell Uncle Zen all your troubles, lil' flatus.
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Wow. Get out to PV and take those tranquilizers they’re famous for. You just don’t seem angry, ya seem outright unstable. You’re not a 12 year old in a rap battle where strings of juvenile “masingell” “Paris Hilton wannabe” ad hominem attacks are admirable. You’re a supposed 40 something, who has the maturity to hear things ya don’t like without a weird tantrum and the ability to express yourself substantively. If you’re not –than pretend
In my first post I said I’m not PV which u seemed to be claiming-(& have since then.) I told ya’ll that WANF was getting trolled ages ago & that if ya controled your emotions it would have been obvious. General statements 2 sentences.
YOU respond with a MULTI PAGE diatribe about southerners, spelling, my abuse of my housekeeper, and how I’m a PV plant!
You go on & on.
If by trollin, you mean making you a fool by going down meaningless tangents YOU are trolling YOURSELF!
What you say is being a broken record is my being respectful enough to keep to whats relevant and not get involved in this ridiculous cat fight! i DONT WANT to enable Your “trolling” of yourself. I DON’T WANT to rehash issues form previous threads or go over stupid points AD INFINITUM. Wanna go tit for tat over all these irrelevant issues? In this new thread? OK…. :roll:
Do I need to apologize to you, too, Massengill? You're getting half the point, which is probably a personal best for you: I'm not a nice fucking guy, and I am a "terrible person" to assholes. I'll run roughshod over stupid and evil hacks like you with a quickness. Why do you attach the behaviors of Southern peckerwoods to Blacks? That's a pretty shitty thing to say, coming from such a judgemental person as yourself. No Black people I know are called "hillbillies", "Jethro", or "Bubba". Quit slinging your racist shit
Shall I say you have the reading comprehension of a P.V staffer? My point is, your slurs about rural Southerns are no different than slurs about black folk.- both moronic. My point is whether your slurs focus on “white trash” or “niggers” they are even more ridiculous as Im a New England based white girl.
1. It's none of your fucking business what the contents of emails going between Free and I are. .
2It's none of your fucking business what lawsuits I'm involved in, and with whom. If I want input, I'll get it from someone I trust, not some sniping, mentally feeble troll who wants to be the "Politeness Police"
Why don’t you locate where I ask you for the contents of your emails or lawsuits? I didn’t ask you that.
After locating that, locate a dictionary and look up “HYPOCRISY”.
“Register and identify the place that abused you”.
“It’s none of your fucking buissiness” what program I went to, anymore then are your emails or lawsuits my business.
Its INCREDIBLY not your busisness to demand proofs of what program I went to.
Everybody on this forum who isn't a tourist like you has a program they're focused on. PV kept my family separated for over seven months and they were physically and mentally abusive to a member of my family. Do you understand why I have a lack of affection for the shitpit? I haven't heard what program you were in, "survivor". People focused on HLA - it's reduced to rubble. People focused on Whitmore - it's gone. Now we need to focus on you, troll
You're not the judge of what's an "acceptable" apology either, troll..
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Still reading up on hypocrisy?
Youre not the judge of WHOM is a tourist, or if MY SURVIVOR EXPERIENCE is worthy enough for me to speak. "Its not your fucking busisnness" to demand with a sense of entitlement what I’m doing to survive program & Youre not the judge of whether its worthy
BTW, I don’t wear being a survivor like it’s a badge of honor. Your being merely CONNECTED to program & attempting to use that to say you are superior survivor to me, reminds me of kids chipping others for how much money they have. Its gross. Its depressing. I am a whole lot younger than you & it reminds me that people don’t mature, they get old!
May I suggest the anger you display toward me is not really about me but about what was revealed within yourself and perhaps your stressful life situation in general. So lets move on.....
No, you may not suggest that. It really is all about you, you're like a fucking disease. You're an anonymous tool on a mission from your masters to fuck around on Fornits.
Actually I dont have to suggest anything. Your conduct speaks for itself! :roll:
I WILL suggest you bow out of this conversation gracefully. You’ve said that PV is secretly evil, underhanded, stalking/harassing/cheating you personally, colluding with corrupt officials etc, and torturing children.Claims that are normally considered far out there. You need to appear well adjusted enough to support these claims. You know the danger in acting out online. Your inappropriately-rage filled response, your juvenile name-calling, your constant insistence that I am a “troll”, or “plant” don’t reflect well on you.
If your enemies did trace my IP they’d validate I’m no more than whom I claim, which helps establish you are paranoid, misperceive reality because you are overly dramatic, and have a persecution complex. None of these things- at least in regards to the evils of PV - are accurate. So get over your hissy fit over your EGO wound from realizing you did something shitty. I said why dont you move on from this.-DONT BE YOUR OWN TROLL..and you chose not to :roll:
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Settle down, troll! You posted everything in your blind rage except the apology you owe my step daughter. Let me look again...No, just you shouting "nigger" and "angry this" and "angry that". Despite all your "ranting retardations" (or whatever), we see who the bigger person is.
Just can't find an apology in your slimy, slug-like soul, can you? You troll, in the truest sense of the world. You've shown what you are by completely avoiding the most important part of what I wrote to you. My "reading comprehension"? You missed the point entirely.
I made peace with the person I offended by extending an apology.
You're a "shitty" person, by your own standards, for attacking a completely innocent person who had no part in this discussion.
You're Elizabeth, aren't you? From Facebook? The one who thinks it's okay if some kids get trashed by a program, as long as some are helped, especially you? Or just another person from New England with a big mouth and a small brain? It makes sense, you slipped out of there and literally had to track me through pages of posts, and despite the fact I was out of the thread by then, you started pretending to be Free and cranking on the caps. That's pathetic. My "enemies"? You're the only person with an out-of-control ego giving me a pain in the ass at the moment. Screw PV, at least they don't hunt me down and start accusing, screaming and melting-down like a freak.
Oh, yeah. Give the "rolling eyes" emoticon a break, you give yourself away in your other trolling posts with the overuse.
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Ohhh insulting. Really, I’m not insulted about my spelling being bad- Apparently like a PV staffers. It really is quite atrocious. But I think you should cut back on comparing everything you find sub-par to P.V It could get quite ludicrous- as in:
"gee hon, that meal wasn’t good, the meatloaf was dry and tasteless as if it were peninsula village” or
"Honey, I don’t feel our lovemaking connected tonight, it was like you just weren’t there, just like at Peninsula Village - the credentials of the psychotherapists weren’t there."
What? Your spelling is so sub-PV. Really, I mean, like you know...I think I'll like...not...you know, give much thought to your "But I think you should..." because you're like...ludicrous, and totally peevee...
You certainly are trying to get directly involved. You're like a dog, constantly trying to hump my leg. Seriously, you're wearing out your pathetic argument, and trying to get as "directly involved" as possible. You want to know about lawsuits, who's involved in them, who's not included, who's mean to who, but you're not a troll, right? You're a concerned "survivor".
Are you insulting the state of Tennessee, slag? Why am I a "shitty person"? I apologized for my mistake. It's a done deal. You hassle me about PV, but you're clinging to this WANF business like a starving jackyl. It's finished. You're starting to look like a "shitty" person yourself. I mean, you have this "eye for an eye" vendetta going on. You accuse me of insulting Free, so you insult my step daughter in a way far more harsh and abusive than ANYONE was to Free. Remember, Free is posting on Fornits and knows what to expect now...my step daughter is not posting, and shouldn't be expected to put up with abuse from a "C" word like yourself. A Palm Beach "C" word at that. Paris Hilton wannabe...
Apologize to my step daughter, you "shitty" person. Make it a "sincere redress". I'll bet you get a kick out of abusing program survivors. Perhaps the anger you display toward my step daughter is actually an expression of your own internalized self-loathing. You've got a lot to loath, too.
Don't be so PV...
Now, make your very sincere apology to this child you've grossly insulted (if you can find a sincere apology in the depths of your sick and twisted soul - seriously, you said some horrible things) and maybe she can read the forums again without being victimized by "shitty" people like you.
Settle down, troll! You posted everything in your blind rage except the apology you owe my step daughter. Let me look again...No, just you shouting "nigger" and "angry this" and "angry that". Despite all your "ranting retardations" (or whatever), we see who the bigger person is.
Just can't find an apology in your slimy, slug-like soul, can you? You troll, in the truest sense of the world. You've shown what you are by completely avoiding the most important part of what I wrote to you. My "reading comprehension"? You missed the point entirely.
Settle down, troll! You posted everything in your blind rage except the apology you owe my step daughter. Let me look again...No, just you shouting "nigger" and "angry this" and "angry that". Despite all your "ranting retardations" (or whatever), we see who the bigger person is.
Just can't find an apology in your slimy, slug-like soul, can you? You troll, in the truest sense of the world. You've shown what you are by completely avoiding the most important part of what I wrote to you. My "reading comprehension"? You missed the point entirely.
I made peace with the person I offended by extending an apology.
You're a "shitty" person, by your own standards, for attacking a completely innocent person who had no part in this discussion.
You're Elizabeth, aren't you? From Facebook? The one who thinks it's okay if some kids get trashed by a program, as long as some are helped, especially you? Or just another person from New England with a big mouth and a small brain? It makes sense, you slipped out of there and literally had to track me through pages of posts, and despite the fact I was out of the thread by then, you started pretending to be Free and cranking on the caps. That's pathetic. My "enemies"? You're the only person with an out-of-control ego giving me a pain in the ass at the moment. Screw PV, at least they don't hunt me down and start accusing, screaming and melting-down like a freak.
Jesus. Christ. Allmighty. You obviously don’t care about keeping this thread on topic
Again, acting out on-line comes back to haunt ya. PRETEND you dont beleive everyone who posts here is part of some conspiracy, and do not misperceive reality more than people normally do. I'm "not hunting you down" :o
What? Your spelling is so sub-PV. Really, I mean, like you know...I think I'll like...not...you know, give much thought to your "But I think you should..." because you're like...ludicrous, and totally peevee...
Yes, we've established my spelling is bad. My dreams of victory at the national Bee- dashed.
Newsflash: The world does not revolve around you
Not everyone is directly involved in your personal drama
Settle down, troll! You troll, in the truest sense of the world...No, just you shouting "nigger" and "angry this" and "angry that....
You certainly are trying to get directly involved. You're like a dog, constantly trying to hump my leg. Seriously, you're wearing out your pathetic argument, and trying to get as "directly involved" as possible. You want to know about lawsuits, who's involved in them, who's not included, who's mean to who, but you're not a troll, right? You're a concerned "survivor".
Please locate for me where I asked for inside info about lawsuits. I never have. Crazy, much?
So I’m broken record, and when you accuse me of being a "troll" OVER and OVER you are... a progressive techno album? Relocate that passage on HYPOCROCY. Since you’ve re-accused me I will reiterate: I’m not a "troll" I am a humble young woman who saw you mistreating a survivor .. yada yada yada :o
I’ve never been NEAR Penninsula Villiage When I go down South I skip the scary part and go straight to Palm Beach. I didn’t respond to your posts about WANF because I am involved with PV but because you were a shitty person.
Since you’ve taken responsibility for being abusive, my response should not seem odd to you. O.K. so things are cleared up now
Are you insulting the state of Tennessee, slag? my step daughter is not posting, and shouldn't be expected to put up with abuse from a "C" word like yourself. A Palm Beach "C" word at that. Paris Hilton wannabe
No, Tennessee is the greatest place in the world. Who would not want to live there? (everyone). I kid. Its clear you don’t want to keep this thread serious or on topic so I wont either.Have you ever considered auditioning for the MTV program "Yo' MAMA"? Your passions would be well served with lots or rejoinders about slags and Paris Hilton :wink:
Umm, saying interpersonally assaulting someone with her deepest weaknesses after she bears them on this forum when she had no where else to go is OK, but nasty general statements behind backs on a forum is bad, doesn’t make sense? That’s what you seem to be implying. Also, I wasnt "abusing" anyone even in that sense of the word. I was making a parellel.
Why am I a "shitty person"?
Yah, I’m gonna take "reading comprehension" for 1000, Alex. I didn’t say you're a shitty person I said you "were being" a shitty person. Though considering all the names youve called me... a little late to be appealing to the moral high road.
You're Elizabeth, aren't you? From Facebook? The one who thinks it's okay if some kids get trashed by a program, as long as some are helped, especially you? Or just another person from New England with a big mouth and a small brain? It makes sense, you slipped out of there and literally had to track me through pages of posts, and despite the fact I was out of the thread by then, you started pretending to be Free and cranking on the caps. That's pathetic. My "enemies"? You're the only person with an out-of-control ego giving me a pain in the ass at the moment. Screw PV, at least they don't hunt me down and start accusing, screaming and melting-down like a freak"
Im not this Elizebeth person. I use myspace.(?) And, as you belleive none of what I say its sorta odd you beleive the New England thing.
I never said a thing about your daughter. I dont know you or your situation. I drew a parallel - a comparison between how you genuinely attacked WANF to how I hypothetically could attack your daughter. It’s a construct where I am not "really" saying anything. I think that was pretty clear especially given the context. & if you didn’t catch on that it was a parallel in the first post, I say so & expand on that idea in the next 2. I was not sayng any of those things were true, obviously, while you were saying those things about WANF WERE true. This dialogue goes in the other thread. I actually haven’t responded to that thread because this crap is tiresome.
Im not your enemy, Im not even the one who's persuing this. I wish you luck in hurting the P.V monsters. Thank you for devoting yourseflf to this cause
Have at it boys.
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Thanks, Duchess. You're alright, even though you called my kid a "moronic cow" and offered no apology. I'm not going to try to read that infernally long dissection above, I really don't have the attention span or patience, I just read the end. I'm an old, immature bastard with precious little time left for reading anything negative about myself.
I'm glad you're not Elizabeth. She's a "C" word.
Everybody happy? Let's all hold hands and sing KUMBAYAH, MY LORD...
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Thanks, Duchess. You're alright, even though you called my kid a "moronic cow" and offered no apology. I'm not going to try to read that infernally long dissection above, I really don't have the attention span or patience, I just read the end. I'm an old, immature bastard with precious little time left for reading anything negative about myself.
I'm glad you're not Elizabeth. She's a "C" word.
Everybody happy? Let's all hold hands and sing KUMBAYAH, MY LORD...
Thats an ingenius way of avoiding reality! Is not actually long, I just quote what ya say a whole lot. And oh, I didnt call your step-d a moronic cow...re-read what I wrote, Attention span or not.
I made a parellel, as in, "You said WANF is crazy, well your step-d is crazy. Would ya lke it is I said that?". You genuinely meant the insult to be accurate. I did not mean the insult and used it only to illustrate such conduct is hurful. Unacceptable
I would never say anything of the sort. I'm a terrible speller, not a terrible person. ::rose:: Hopefully those writing skills will improove with age
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I would never say anything of the sort. I'm a terrible speller, not a terrible person. ::rose:: Hopefully those writing skills will improove with age
I beg to differ, Duchess.
Personally i think his daughter is CRAZY, SELF CENTERED DERANGED, LUNATIC, STUPID BITCH, who wont make it through college that whining moronic cow.
Not just that I dont think he really cares about her. Its a "get back at the ex" issue...maybe he wants some extra loot?
Hey Zen why dont you send her over here so I can tell her that personally?
You're a terrible person AND a liar.
1. I never wrote anything like that burst of ill will to WANF. I asked you to re-post anything I wrote like that. You didn't.
2. You diagnosed me as "paranoid" without being a licensed health service provider in TN because I thought you were PV staff. You did say "send her over here so I can tell her that personally?" implying you were nearby, not in New England. "Over here", not "up here". What was I supposed to think?
You owe an apology, as much if not more than I did.
I wish I could hear you shrieking all your hostility instead of having to read it. With that New England accent, you probably sound like the Pepperidge Farm guy tweaked on meth.
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I would never say anything of the sort. I'm a terrible speller, not a terrible person. ::rose:: Hopefully those writing skills will improove with age
I beg to differ, Duchess.
Personally i think his daughter is CRAZY, SELF CENTERED DERANGED, LUNATIC, STUPID BITCH, who wont make it through college that whining moronic cow.
Not just that I dont think he really cares about her. Its a "get back at the ex" issue...maybe he wants some extra loot?
Hey Zen why dont you send her over here so I can tell her that personally?
You're a terrible person AND a liar.
1. I never wrote anything like that burst of ill will to WANF. I asked you to re-post anything I wrote like that. You didn't.
2. You diagnosed me as "paranoid" without being a licensed health service provider in TN because I thought you were PV staff. You did say "send her over here so I can tell her that personally?" implying you were nearby, not in New England. "Over here", not "up here". What was I supposed to think?
You owe an apology, as much if not more than I did.
I wish I could hear you shrieking all your hostility instead of having to read it. With that New England accent, you probably sound like the Pepperidge Farm guy tweaked on meth.
:rofl:
I highly doubt a real survivor would ever say something like that ("think his daughter is CRAZY, SELF CENTERED DERANGED, LUNATIC, STUPID BITCH, who wont make it through college that whining moronic cow") about another one... maybe if she knew your daughter perhaps but, even then it's not likely at all. There are lots of people i had ill will towards in program and i don't hold it against them now. We were all made into animals by program. I find it extremely unlikely a real survivor would say something like that. It sounds like a staffer slipping out a tiny burst of how he/she really feels.
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I highly doubt a real survivor would ever say something like that ("think his daughter is CRAZY, SELF CENTERED DERANGED, LUNATIC, STUPID BITCH, who wont make it through college that whining moronic cow") about another one... maybe if she knew your daughter perhaps but, even then it's not likely at all. There are lots of people i had ill will towards in program and i don't hold it against them now. We were all made into animals by program. I find it extremely unlikely a real survivor would say something like that. It sounds like a staffer slipping out a tiny burst of how he/she really feels.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You have never been to the ELAN FORUM?
WoW
That's just a recreation of group. Some people never leave the program, they "need" the program (so they simulate)... Yeah I have seen the ELAN forum... it's a cesspool.
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Personally i think his daughter is CRAZY, SELF CENTERED DERANGED, LUNATIC, STUPID BITCH, who wont make it through college that whining moronic cow.
Not just that I dont think he really cares about her. Its a "get back at the ex" issue...maybe he wants some extra loot?
Hey Zen why dont you send her over here so I can tell her that personally?
You're a terrible person AND a liar.
1. I never wrote anything like that burst of ill will to WANF. I asked you to re-post anything I wrote like that. You didn't.
Free, you are what the goons would label Narcissistic. You are unbelievably self-centered. You play every card in the book, too. Racism, sexism, religion, you'll take any remark as offensive and reel off into incoherent ranting and raving. You throw PV into the mix occasionally, but all you're doing is agitating, and seriously messed up or not, you are a troll.
What do you want to do about PV? What you're ranting about is off the map. No doubt this will wind you up and you'll spin like a top for pages.
So...what is it that you want? You want help? Or do you want to put PV in a fucking legal straitjacket? Anything other than the latter is out of place here.Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:13 pm
I made a parellel, as in, "You said WANF is crazy, well your step-d is crazy. Would ya lke it is I said that?". You genuinely meant the insult to be accurate. I did not mean the insult and used it only to illustrate such conduct is hurful. Unacceptable
Before it starts: I've got an agenda, and that's obvious. I don't give a good goddamn if you think I'm a bastard or not. Your agenda is not so clear. A social crusade is okay, we're a little more focused on one fucking issue than you seem to be.Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:32 pm
You know, I tried that...if you look back, way back in this thread, you'll see a lot of people tried that. She wants nothing but confrontation, and sympathy or offers of consultation are ignored, or misinterpreted and attacked, and it's not the place. Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:46 pm
Edited. Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:58 pm
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Duchess, have I not said frequently I apologized to WANF? Show the same courtesy to my step daughter and apologize. I still see nothing I wrote as aggressive, meanspirited or threatening as your outburst.
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That's just a recreation of group. Some people never leave the program, they "need" the program (so they simulate)... Yeah I have seen the ELAN forum... it's a cesspool.
Well now if there are hotties like Eliscu2 hanging out there, I'd jump right in cesspool or no! :rofl:
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That's just a recreation of group. Some people never leave the program, they "need" the program (so they simulate)... Yeah I have seen the ELAN forum... it's a cesspool.
Well now if there are hotties like Eliscu2 hanging out there, I'd jump right in cesspool or no! :rofl:
I saw that post before you axed it, Homes!
Back to the Duchess, though. Duchess, you may want to shut yer hole, my wife's reading your rubbish and staying away all the same, but I believe she's had enough. Let's see how you address the mother of the girl you've maligned..."C" word.
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Ok. From now on I’m assuming you’re insane. This was settled. Like I said, be careful in your behavior online, because paranoia, sophomoric name calling, & internal dissatisfaction that leads you to BIZARRELY MISCONSTRUE reality can come back to haunt you.
I would never say anything of the sort. I'm a terrible speller, not a terrible person. ::rose:: Hopefully those writing skills will improove with age
I beg to differ, Duchess.
Personally i think his daughter is CRAZY, SELF CENTERED DERANGED, LUNATIC, STUPID BITCH, who wont make it through college that whining moronic cow.
Not just that I dont think he really cares about her. Its a "get back at the ex" issue...maybe he wants some extra loot?
Hey Zen why dont you send her over here so I can tell her that personally?
You're a terrible person AND a liar.
You owe an apology, as much if not more than I did.
Sure, I wrote that... BUT you DELETED what I followed IT UP WITH:
:flame:
Also..tell her to reveal what she is in the most pain about so I and my internet freinds can mock her suffering her for 3 days. You dont want to do that? No?
Maybe have a little bit of compassion for someone who doesnt have a father or mother to turn to.
I never insulted your daughter. I drew a parallel - a comparison between how you GENUINELY attack WANF to how I HYPOTHETICALLY attack your daughter.
I MADE A PARALLEL!!! A COMPARISON!! I gave an EXAMPLE of the SORT OF thing YOU SAID. I followed that up with a rhetorical question: WOULD YOU LIKE THIS DONE TO YOUR R STEP-D???? I even answered my question with “NO?”
Then I made the correlation: As YOU wouldn’t want your step spoken to in this fashion, YOU shouldn’t speak to WANF.
I wanted you to extrapolate that the decency you demand for your step-daughter, you should give to people as well. A parallel is a construct meant to illustrate with an analogy. It is NOT taken literally. Say it with me: Par-a-llel
The "par-a-llel" was clear when you don’t omit parts of the post along with its context. If it wasn’t clear then it should be when I followed up to say:
Perhaps my PARALLEL wroked and now you see that people who arent related to you have a "being" as well, and are therefore entitled to compasion and decency, just like your relations are? I'm gald you were able to make this obvious mental connectiion that usually doesnt have to be activated through direct paralells as it comes quite naturally through empathy.
Then, I expand upon the idea that emotionally assaulting people -like the EXAMPLES I gave to illustrate how you GENUINELY assaulted WANF- is WRONG
As your daughter shoud not be called insane stupid selfish, pointless, and mocked for her pain,(paraphrasing) perhaps have words she is especially sensitive about from being sexually abused,(!!!!!!) thrown in front of her neither should WANF[/size].
You have the rhetorical sophistication of a Jerry Springer guest, but you don’t have the stupidity.
So stop DELIBERATELY misconstruing what I said in order to mitigate how you treated WANF by saying I’m just as bad
Stop trying to avoid honest self reckoning & shame by attacking your critic.
It’s embarrassing! Its dishonest, it’s immature. You acted dishonorably. DEAL WITH IT
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Dude, I think Guest was providing an analogy - simply yeilding some insight as to why cruelty is uneccessary by using an example that's a little closer to home. ie: your daughter.
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I’ve taken the liberty of reposting this. It is from, like, 20 threads ago. Zen was abusive to WANF. He apologized. He asked us to move on. We did. But because he is ashamed of himself for being abusive, he wants to go over irrelevant issues until he feels vindicated in some way.
Personally I think doing so is somewhat pointless. Most people can admit they make mistakes and move on. Some people have internal flaws that prevent them from doing so. Theoretically, he does not want this subject discussed so he can focus on more important things, but truly, he NEEDS to discuss what transpired on this thread Here is the thread so you can understand to what he is referring.
. Enjoy:
Psy, Niles, TSW and everyone else piling on to give their armchair therapy tough love to WANF has been a show to watch, a depressing show reminding us all why honest and heartfelt posts are few and far between on this forum anymore.
I noticed reading through that thread that some people, psy in particular, would continue to use words and argue with someone who said they prefer to end it. Instead posters keep up the confrontation, knowing that certain words and phrases are traumatic to this person based on their experience and what they told us.
I think ya'll is confused that just because you CAN means that you SHOULD. I can walk up to a black man on the street, and follow him around all day calling him a nigger. Hey, free speech right? But then he'd probably call his friends and kick my ass from here 'till Sunday.
If you want to embrace your free speech experiment, go to a bad neighborhood and start screaming nigger, see how much people care for it. Instead you find the softest target on fornits, the one poster who bears her soul without censorship, just posting thoughts, and it's used to tear her to pieces in the name of "you ain't taking my freedom of speech, bitch".
It's obvious to me that is just a smokescreen. This is not about freedom of speech. That's just an excuse.
I hope the spotlight is shifted away from the day to day life of a program survivor who posting obviously helps deal with issues, and is focused on those who attack this poster for no apparent reason.
thank you guest
I missed the part where she said *please stop I dont want to talk about it anymore* and the "confrontations" continued.... gratuitous cruelty is fun especially when the target says please stop :exclaim:
I also loved the "this is our foum" aspect. It wasnt just sadistic, it was EMBARASSING!!! :oops: It was like they were in a treehouse throwing stones at some girl who wondered by. To them it was probably funny...but if they had COMPASSION they would see that by throwing stones at what she felt the most PAIN and VULNERABLITY about, was not funny for HER
And lets not forget the STUPIDITY in arguing with a PARODY of her for like 7 PAGES. Not just mean but STUPID. Arguing with a PARODY! :oops: :question: :exclaim:
My favorite of the bunch was ZENAGENT telling her what a narcisist and self centered crazy nut she was. i think he was the one imitating her. He has a DAUGHTER in PV.
Personally i think his daughter is CRAZY, SELF CENTERED DERANGED, LUNATIC, STUPID BITCH, who wont make it through college that whining moronic cow.
Not just that I dont think he really cares about her. Its a "get back at the ex" issue...maybe he wants some extra loot?
Hey Zen why dont you send her over here so I can tell her that personally?
Also..tell her to reveal what she is in the most pain about so I and my internet freinds can mock her suffering her for 3 days. You dont want to do that? No?
Maybe have a little bit of compassion for someone who doesnt have a father or mother to turn to. Even if you are not directly related to her. And even if she doesnt immediately seem useful for your lawsuit YOU are the narcisist...
And now she cant work through her issues here and she is even more isolated and alone. Hope you are happy!
thank you guest
We've already established the presence of PV staff, huh? We're not sending her "over here" (PV, I guess) so you can start on her anew. We got her OUT of PV, don't you know...
WANF and I are on good terms. I can P.M. her on CAFETY and speak confidentially. We're going to clear up some of this and re-group, so what's your point? Have you noticed my lack of a presence on that thread? We've talked by email, I know her, I had to be sure she was the same person, and it was hard to ask her questions with so many attacks. I started, she read back, and we established the connection. I've apologized by email, and if you'll read back in the PV thread, WANF defended me when a PV staffer took some shots. Doesn't sound like we're going at it "tooth and nail", huh? Don't talk out of your ass, it stinks.
As far as your other comments about my step daughter, she doesn't post on FORNITS but she reads it. You're continuing the abuse you started at PV. She really doesn't need you heaping abuse on her when she's doing so well.
Her dad is out of this, completely. He disowned her, so my wife and I (along with our step daughter) are addressing the physical and mental abuse, and the medical neglect she suffered at PV.
Now we're helping our girl get ready for her prom, which if PV had their way, she never would have attended. She's going to look like a princess. Her friends certainly don't think she's all the vile things you called her. They were signing petitions to help get her home. Your "internet friends" probably wouldn't do the same for you.
And the poster who issued the racial epithet: don't. What does that accomplish?
thank you guest
I missed the part where she said *please stop I dont want to talk about it anymore* and the "confrontations" continued.... gratuitous cruelty is fun especially when the target says please stop :exclaim:
I also loved the "this is our foum" aspect. It wasnt just sadistic, it was EMBARASSING!!! :oops: It was like they were in a treehouse throwing stones at some girl who wondered by. To them it was probably funny...but if they had COMPASSION they would see that by throwing stones at what she felt the most PAIN and VULNERABLITY about, was not funny for HER
And lets not forget the STUPIDITY in arguing with a PARODY of her for like 7 PAGES. Not just mean but STUPID. Arguing with a PARODY! :oops: :question: :exclaim:
My favorite of the bunch was ZENAGENT telling her what a narcisist and self centered crazy nut she was. i think he was the one imitating her. He has a DAUGHTER in PV.
Personally i think his daughter is CRAZY, SELF CENTERED DERANGED, LUNATIC, STUPID BITCH, who wont make it through college that whining moronic cow.
Not just that I dont think he really cares about her. Its a "get back at the ex" issue...maybe he wants some extra loot?
Hey Zen why dont you send her over here so I can tell her that personally?
Also..tell her to reveal what she is in the most pain about so I and my internet freinds can mock her suffering her for 3 days. You dont want to do that? No?
Maybe have a little bit of compassion for someone who doesnt have a father or mother to turn to. Even if you are not directly related to her. And even if she doesnt immediately seem useful for your lawsuit YOU are the narcisist...
And now she cant work through her issues here and she is even more isolated and alone. Hope you are happy!
We've already established the presence of PV staff, huh? We're not sending her "over here" (PV, I guess) so you can start on her anew. We got her OUT of PV, don't you know...I've apologized by email, and if you'll read back in the PV thread, WANF defended me when a PV staffer took some shots. Doesn't sound like we're going at it "tooth and nail", huh? Don't talk out of your ass, it stinks.....Now we're helping our girl get ready for her prom, which if PV had their way, she never would have attended. She's going to look like a princess. Her friends certainly don't think she's all the vile things you called her. They were signing petitions to help get her home. Your "internet friends" probably wouldn't do the same for you
What makes u think I'm P.V. staff? Im a survivor of a program every bit as bad as your step's . Do You think the things I said about your step qualify as abuse? Hmm,.. very interesting as you said the same things about WANF. I am glad you apologized to her for being an abuser.
WANF's freinds probably dont agree with your vile insults either, though unfortunetly, unlike your step, her parents would... Its too bad the fact that WANF's parents are abusive did not make you more empathic to her, and not abuse her instead.
Perhaps my parelel wroked and now you see that people who arent related to you have a "being" as well, and are therefore entitled to compasion and decency, just like your relations are?
I'm gald you were able to make this obvious mental connectiion that usually doesnt have to be activated through direct paralells as it comes quite naturally through empathy. Your step suffered the exact same things as WANF . WANF wanted to help you. When she did not conform to your wishes immediately you became abusive. That is why your reaction repulsed me the most :flame:
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You edited my post in your quote. Why? Let's look at the missing bits:
WANF and I are on good terms. I can P.M. her on CAFETY and speak confidentially. We're going to clear up some of this and re-group, so what's your point? Have you noticed my lack of a presence on that thread? We've talked by email, I know her, I had to be sure she was the same person, and it was hard to ask her questions with so many attacks. I started, she read back, and we established the connection.[/b]
Why did you skip all of that? I'm not the one hurling "C" words at her. We have common ground, and I've offered her help on a legal level. I never apologized for being an "abuser", I wasn't. You're very selective, and PV staff like to falsify and "omit". I posted on pg.33 of the PV thread:
It's okay, Free. Let's get back to square one: We're all on the same side. No need to bash away at each other, we've been bashed enough. We're survivors, parents and former patients alike. Let's work together.
I haven't posted on that thread since pg.35. It's 50 pages deep now, and it's gotten really vile. Why don't you attack the other posters who have been much more vindictive and nasty? Because you don't have any interest in them....just me, and the PV lawsuit.
I'll admit to calling her self-centered, and I did say "Free, you are what the goons would label Narcissistic" I wasn't making the diagnosis, that's just one of the catch-alls PV uses, like ODD. That's why I said "what the goons would label Narcissistic".
You'll have to show me where I called WANF a CRAZY, DERANGED, LUNATIC, STUPID BITCH, who wont make it through college that whining moronic cow.
So, find it...
Not just that I dont think he really cares about her. Its a "get back at the ex" issue...maybe he wants some extra loot?
What anon would know personal, case details like that? Regular Fornits members do, but you aren't one. As I said, her bio-dad is out of this. He's free to do his thing. My step daughter isn't on Fornits posting and opening herself up to criticism, therefore you're out of line attacking her. Haven't you read the cautionary description of "Troubled Teen Industry"?
This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry, and there's nothing inspiring or heart-warming about it. It's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk.
Hey Zen why dont you send her over here so I can tell her that personally?
That's vaguely threatening. You seem to have some knowledge of where we live, and consider it a short trip over to...PV?
WANF's freinds probably dont agree with your vile insults either, though unfortunetly, unlike your step, her parents would... Its too bad the fact that WANF's parents are abusive did not make you more empathic to her, and not abuse her instead.
My step daughter was abused by her bio-father for years, so I'm empathetic to kids who have abusive parents. If I weren't outraged, I would sue PV for my step daughter and end it there. I want to help end this abusive industry, starting with PV and helping as many kids as I can who went through hell there .
Perhaps my parelel wroked and now you see that people who arent related to you have a "being" as well, and are therefore entitled to compasion and decency, just like your relations are?
I've written emails back and forth with WANF for a while. I was afraid someone was copying her story and using it for their own PV- protecting agenda. WANF wasn't answering my emails, so I got the PV paranoia. She and I both have it, we survived PV. Then we established each other's identity.
I'm gald you were able to make this obvious mental connectiion that usually doesnt have to be activated through direct paralells as it comes quite naturally through empathy.
WANF knows I'm very empathetic to her situation. We correspond, but you wouldn't know about that.
Your step suffered the exact same things as WANF . WANF wanted to help you. When she did not conform to your wishes immediately you became abusive. That is why your reaction repulsed me the most :flame:
My step went through a lot of the same abuse as WANF, but post PV kids deal with PTSD in different ways. Some bury it, some feel victimized by it, some find it empowering that PV couldn't break them down and take away their individuality. My "step", as you call her, refuses contact with her abusive biological father, she has that option. What's truly sad about WANF is she has no way to separate herself.
What help did she offer to me directly? She didn't know who I was. I was afraid someone from PV had copied her story from another board and was using it to discredit her. I asked her to register so we could PM. Her refusal made me leery. I may have been angry with her, but you had better read the posts since I quit responding on that thread. Psy and Niles are very "empathetic", compassionate guys and they tried long and hard to relate to her. She attacked them, especially Niles. I never called WANF a cunt, I left the thread when I was sure of who she was and went to try to re-establish contact with her and cool her off. She's not familiar to boards.
Once again, as proof we had recognized each other and knew we were on the same team:
I've apologized by email, and if you'll read back in the PV thread, WANF defended me when a PV staffer took some shots.
You have an agenda, and it's a PV agenda. You wish to discredit me, but the person you describe as the "victim" of my heartless abuse certainly doesn't hold the ill will against me, but you do...you village idiot. You're far too obvious.
I shortened your very long response for clarity. It remains right there, black and white, above my response so I cant make it look like anything other then what it is. :question: In fact I specifically addressed your apology that you imply I deleted to make it look like you never made one
You did indeed call her a narcissist
Free, you are what the goons would label Narcissistic. You are unbelievably self-centered. You play every card in the book, too. Racism, sexism, religion
Its dishonest to imply you state something else. You even take the time to clarify what a narcissist is, not clinically perhaps, but informally. If I called you a sociopath for insensitivity to WANF I wouldnt be making a clinical diagnosis either, but the point is equally real.
Youve said other gross things in horrible ways. You’ve called her insane, her feelings stupid, said cunt while she went through hoops explaining why that word bothers her & please stop, & not to bog down your important thread with her inane ranting retardations
I still say you need REAL luggage and a plane ticket out...then work on the PTSD, phobias, man-bashing, all the baggage you don't need
The guy who jumped out at you with his dick in his hand needs and deserves as much help as you. After all, you don't know what he's been through. He doesn't seem to be wanting help, and neither do you.
So, at what point should we lose interest in this?
(in reference to her sexual abuse)
Move. Leave this freak infested area and find safer accomodations. I've never known anyone to be trapped in such a terrible and perverse place. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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(in reference to decribing how upset the C word makes her especially as she was sexually abused)
Yeah, what IS the "C" word? Is it "cretin"? Because if it is, damn I've been verbally abusive to these motherfuckers I work with. Just in case, I'll go back to calling them "cunts
Gotcha! I'll pass it on to the youngsters, once I figure out what the point was. Not that they'll give a dead rat's blazing ass in hell, and they'll probably quote Burroughs to me:
"Never proffer sympathy to the mentally deranged, it is a bottomless fucking pit..."
(in response to the fellows she found frightening)
I believe those guys were talking about global warming until they saw you coming, then started throwing the "C" word around to be sure you left
If you say you this conduct is not as abusive as what I said about your daughter in paralell you also suffer from what the folk at the Manhasset Proctolological Institute would call having your head up your own ass
I'm sorry WANF did not seem immediately useful to your suit, but consider that she doesnt have parents that will make “her look like a princess” or care at all and so she might be very anxious, need to unload?
If you found her speach inappropriate you can say so without cruelty. You could even try being toleranant & accommodating. It seems that you are using people for your suit and when one appears not immediately useful, you abuse her, although she has suffered just what your daughter has. That odious.
I am sure if your daughter started crying in the middle of class, even in a “dedicated to talking about” English class, you would want her to be treated in a respectful and compassionate manner as well
I hope you see now that As your daughter shoud not be called insane stupid selfish, pointless, and mocked for her pain,(paraphrasing) perhaps have words she is especially sensitive about from being sexually abused,(!!!!!!) thrown in front of her neither should WANF.
I understand why you want to think I'm from PV. It’s more pacifying than to accept you were-as you described-abusive, and I'm a repulsed survivor. But its the truth. I identify with WANF and knowing your history your reaction its especially inexcusable. I know you are divorced & hate the ex because you’ve mentioned so, not because I’m a plant. Im also not the guest that posted this thread, and he is no plant either-YOU, in fact, are the problem
I'm glad you apologized to WANF for being abusive. I hope your apology was sincere, not manipulation for an ally in your suit. PV tortures children to the point of breaking them so remember when you come along one of those grown children whom are a little broken up, to show them compassion, kindness and respect as they could be your own daughter. Pv is indeed a hellhole filled with idiots but remember, the Village is GLOBAL and we all have an idiot there inside who needs to be kept in check when coming across someone vulnerable whom we imagine might be useful to break down.
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Wow...talk about some convoluted shit that's really none of our business.. Looks like a private discussion between you & Zen could be in order? This is getting pretty ludicrous now...
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Can't have a private discussion with an anon.
Stop.
I apologized, Free and I have no issues with each other.
Quit watching "Springer", that show will knock points off your IQ.
Speaking of stupidity, let me explain "analogy" to you briefly and in a way you might understand. You should have written "how would you like if someone said...about your step daughter?", or "It would be like someone saying..." and you could have left it there instead of issuing your foulness about someone who is not a participant on this forum. "Eye for an eye" doesn't apply here, does it?
In reality, it is none of your business. This forum is unmoderated, so why are you as an anon trying to moderate it?
Go away, you hell-spawned trolling freak. but only after you apologize like I did.
I'll accept your disappearance from here as an apology, if you like.
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Can't have a private discussion with an anon.
Stop.
I apologized, Free and I have no issues with each other.
Speaking of stupidity, let me explain "analogy" to you briefly and in a way you might understand. You should have written "how would you like if someone said...about your step daughter?", or "It would be like someone saying..." and you could have left it there instead of issuing your foulness about someone who is not a participant on this forum. "Eye for an eye" doesn't apply here, does it?
In reality, it is none of your business. This forum is unmoderated, so why are you as an anon trying to moderate it?
Go away, you hell-spawned trolling freak. but only after you apologize like I did. Quit watching "Springer", too.
I'll accept your disappearance from here as an apology, if you like.
Well I suppose this freak could email you with all of the complaints they have about you, lol. It's truly creepy how this person seems so hell-bent on attempting to get you to "fess-up" or whatever the hell their stupid agenda is... it's like they're stalking you.. :rofl:
Just out of curiosity (i haven't been paying too much attn) do you have any clue who this anon could be?
Yeah it IS like they're trying to moderate, that's pretty funny! ::bwahaha::
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Can't have a private discussion with an anon.
Stop.
I apologized, Free and I have no issues with each other.
Speaking of stupidity, let me explain "analogy" to you briefly and in a way you might understand. You should have written "how would you like if someone said...about your step daughter?", or "It would be like someone saying..." and you could have left it there instead of issuing your foulness about someone who is not a participant on this forum. "Eye for an eye" doesn't apply here, does it?
In reality, it is none of your business. This forum is unmoderated, so why are you as an anon trying to moderate it?
Go away, you hell-spawned trolling freak. but only after you apologize like I did. Quit watching "Springer", too.
I'll accept your disappearance from here as an apology, if you like.
Well I suppose this freak could email you with all of the complaints they have about you, lol. It's truly creepy how this person seems so hell-bent on attempting to get you to "fess-up" or whatever the hell their stupid agenda is... it's like they're stalking you.. :rofl:
Just out of curiosity (i haven't been paying too much attn) do you have any clue who this anon could be?
Yeah it IS like they're trying to moderate, that's pretty funny! ::bwahaha::
beleive me Im not trying to make him do anything. this was from a thread 4 days ago....I have moved on, he keeps bringing it up and "challenging me to a debate". Is it kinda creepy yes
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Can't have a private discussion with an anon.
Stop.
I apologized, Free and I have no issues with each other.
Speaking of stupidity, let me explain "analogy" to you briefly and in a way you might understand. You should have written "how would you like if someone said...about your step daughter?", or "It would be like someone saying..." and you could have left it there instead of issuing your foulness about someone who is not a participant on this forum. "Eye for an eye" doesn't apply here, does it?
In reality, it is none of your business. This forum is unmoderated, so why are you as an anon trying to moderate it?
Go away, you hell-spawned trolling freak. but only after you apologize like I did. Quit watching "Springer", too.
I'll accept your disappearance from here as an apology, if you like.
Well I suppose this freak could email you with all of the complaints they have about you, lol. It's truly creepy how this person seems so hell-bent on attempting to get you to "fess-up" or whatever the hell their stupid agenda is... it's like they're stalking you.. :rofl:
Just out of curiosity (i haven't been paying too much attn) do you have any clue who this anon could be?
Yeah it IS like they're trying to moderate, that's pretty funny! ::bwahaha::
beleive me Im not trying to make him do anything. this was from a thread 4 days ago....I have moved on, he keeps bringing it up and "challenging me to a debate". Is it kinda creepy yes
You disease...you have "challenging me to a debate" in quotes...where did I say that? I believe Froderik was referring to use as the creepy one, Duchess.
I said APOLOGIZE for the vile shit you said. Why do you keep dodging that? I don't want to "debate" you, you mental midget.
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Youre right, zen. I apologize for what I said about your daughter and we can let this go, its nonsensiclal and not getting anywhere.
I apologize for what I said. I'm sorry.
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Uh...Thanks! I don't know what brought that on, but apology accepted! Sorry for calling you a mental midget.
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I said Speaking of stupidity, let me explain "analogy" to you briefly and in a way you might understand. You should have written "how would you like if someone said...about your step daughter?", or "It would be like someone saying..." and you could have left it there instead of issuing your foulness about someone who is not a participant on this forum. "Eye for an eye" doesn't apply here, does it?
Speaking of stupidity, I said “I drew a parallel.” Since you pretend to misunderstand me, OVER and OVER I eventually explain the word "parallel" with the word "analogy”. It has a differnt meaning than your desciption
a•nal•o•gies
a. Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.
b. A comparison based on such similarity. Can this get anymore petty?
You are indeed "challenging me to a debate" by bringing up issues from previous threads and goading me to reply.
You sound like Yo Samity Sam. And I'm a sap for replying
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1.I never wrote anything like that burst of ill will to WANF. I asked you to re-post anything I wrote like that. You didn't.
2. You diagnosed me as "paranoid" without being a licensed health service provider in TN because I thought you were PV staff. You did say "send her over here so I can tell her that personally?" implying you were nearby, not in New England. "Over here", not "up here". What was I supposed to think? ApologizeI
I wish I could hear you shrieking all your hostility instead of having to read it. With that New England accent, you probably sound like the Pepperidge Farm guy tweaked on meth
Btw, I said come over here so me and my “internet friends” can talk to her as you spoke to WANF, on the "internet." (Remember…parallel?) And, does it make you paranoid to conclude my saying “over here” as opposed to “up here” has some dark meaning? YES!
They’re a lot of guests here who you think are all me. They find this absurd too. I agree this is nonsensical.Thank you guest, for apologizing, and putting this catfight over imaginary issues to rest
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Zen, I don't know who the other poster is, but ignore them i apologized, okay? It's obviosly a staff plant trying to annoy you.
hey guest, you want to preten to be me, go ahead. whatever gets your "agenda' across. :roll: :roll:
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:o :o One of you is an asshole, but I don't know one from the other.
Troll wars!
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Zen, I don't know who the other poster is, but ignore them i apologized, okay? It's obviosly a staff plant trying to annoy you.
hey guest, you want to preten to be me, go ahead. whatever gets your "agenda' across. :roll: :roll:
Im not pretending to be anyone. :o ...you were the one who "pretending" to be me.
Im not a staff plant. Ive had someone attacking me about a thred from 5 years ago. It goes on and on. I was glad you ended it. One way or another,as its nonsensical.
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The most moronic nonsense I've ever witnessed
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The most moronic nonsense I've ever witnessed
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ::bwahaha::
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The most moronic nonsense I've ever witnessed
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ::bwahaha::
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Why are you attacking Zen Agent?
It's none of your business i don't need you
defending me? You were the one pretending to be
me and causing the trouble. I bet you're not even female,
your another sexist male industry plant afraid to
admit it? I don't like what you said about zen's daughter
it had nothing to do with me and you were wrong to say it
I thought zen agent was from PV, but he's not, okay?
Your the industry plant, like TSW the counselor who uses
the mad bear in his posts. why don't you just stop.
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::crybaby:: ::crybaby:: ::crybaby:: ::boohoo:: ::boohoo:: ::kma::
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I think the person trolling him is Who.
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The most moronic nonsense I've ever witnessed
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ::bwahaha::
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I know..likw what a lame fucking attempt at scare tactics.
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Ive had someone attacking me about a thred from 5 years ago.
Gee, I wonder why? :roll: :roll: :roll:
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UMM i wrote that. I :roll: You think I was tryin to scare him? He was sayin Im a plant. I imagined my IP can be traced & that can come back to haunt someone. I thought bringing up something that didnt happen 8 threads ago can come back to haunt someone. I read warnings from him to other folks on that subject. Lord o' mighty, this is such nonsense.
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Your the industry plant, like TSW the counselor who uses
the mad bear in his posts. why don't you just stop.
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Your the industry plant, like TSW the counselor who uses
the mad bear in his posts. why don't you just stop.
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im not a plant but great idea-stoppin! :roll: :roll:
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Zen, I don't know who the other poster is, but ignore them i apologized, okay? It's obviosly a staff plant trying to annoy you.
hey guest, you want to preten to be me, go ahead. whatever gets your "agenda' across. :roll: :roll:
Im not pretending to be anyone. :o ...you were the one who "pretending" to be me.
Im not a staff plant. Ive had someone attacking me about a thred from 5 years ago. It goes on and on. I was glad you ended it. One way or another,as its nonsensical.
This if getting rich...I'm not pretending to be you, duchess, I've got a user account. What, are you paranoid?
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UMM i wrote that. I :roll: You think I was tryin to scare him? He was sayin Im a plant. I imagined my IP can be traced & that can come back to haunt someone. I thought bringing up something that didnt happen 8 threads ago can come back to haunt someone. I read warnings from him to other folks on that subject. Lord o' mighty, this is such nonsense.
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Which one are you?
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Zen - please, just ignore the dumb cunt and forget it. I'll PM you, I know who she is from that 5 yrs. ago remark. Not worth the trouble and time.
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Uh, you guys? This is really getting into crazyland times here. Only admins and maybe moderators can check IP addresses easily. Please step back a few paces and take in the whole scene.
"So let's leave it alone cause we can't see eye-to-eye. There ain't no good guys. There ain't no bad guys. There's only you and me and we just disagree." --Jim Krueger
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I'm done with it in the biggest way. Jesus, I don't get it. I'll take the other poster's advice. Out.
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Zen - please, just ignore the dumb cunt and forget it. I'll PM you, I know who she is from that 5 yrs. ago remark. Not worth the trouble and time.
There are alot of guests here.
I dont know who you think I am. I used "5 years ago" metaphorcally I meant the thread about the cloak of free speach. NOT PLANT.- :roll: :roll: :roll: I got involved in this pointless, nonsensical shouting match. I should have ignored this after the first 200 petty exhanges. But one can be drawn into something when they get called cunt a million times. It was a complete waste of time, but in many ways no different then any other argument internet argument
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But one can be drawn into something when they get called cunt a million times.
:D A 1,000,000 Fornits fans can't be wrong! :D
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I said APOLOGIZE for the vile shit you said.
Dude, WTF? An apology for an analogy? Despite having an easily bruised ego are you also retarded?
Anyway, this thread has turned into the Seinfeld thread - A thread about nothing.
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Izzy? Is that you?
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I said APOLOGIZE for the vile shit you said.
Dude, WTF? An apology for an analogy? Despite having an easily bruised ego are you also retarded?
Anyway, this thread has turned into the Seinfeld thread - A thread about nothing.
I demand you apologize for calling Zen retarded.
That is unacceptable behavior, even for you, guest.
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The jerk store called, and they're running out of you.
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Why would they call me? You're their all time best seller! :rofl:
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Hey George, the ocean called, they're running out of shrimp!
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Oh yeah? Well I slept with your wife!
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Hey George, the ocean called, they're running out of shrimp!
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Izzy? Izzy, please...
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Oh yeah? Well I slept with your wife!
His wife's been in a coma..
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Now, this is all danged foolishness...I sell propane and propane accessories.
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I DON'T KNOW YOU!
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HE STOLE MY PURSE!!!
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And where is zen now, immature old bastard taunting a girl who's obviously not well. he's probably the reason his daughter went to peninsula anyway. he was spying on counselors myspace pages and stalking, now hje doesnt like it, does he? His daughter wo9uld probably rather be at pv anyway than haveing to live withan asshole like him. Again,where is he, I guess he's stalking counselors again. Just stay away, ok?
Dude, WTF? An apology for an analogy? Despite having an easily bruised ego are you also retarded?
Anyway, this thread has turned into the Seinfeld thread - A thread about nothing.