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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: 3YearWWASPsurvivor on January 03, 2005, 03:38:00 PM
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This is really embarassing, but because of certain circumstances, I'm about to be homeless in 10 days. I live in Marin County, in the North Bay of SF,CA. I have a full time job and also go to school(9 units). I am pretty much broke right now and so this situation comes at the worst time. I would ask my mom for help, but 5 years ago when I chose out of the program, she refused to ever help me again. That extends to the rest of my family also. I have asked the closest friends I have, and it isn't possible to stay with any of them. I just need a place to stay until I can save up enough money to get a room with roommates or something like that. Please help.... You can reply to [email protected] . Or you can call me at (415) 747-0943. -William Gagan (Bill Gagan)
(The Lords Ranch 1993) (SUWS 1995) (Brightway 1996) (SCL 1996-1998) (Paradise Cove 1998-1999) (Red Rock Academy 1999)[ This Message was edited by: 3YearWWASPsurvivor on 2005-01-03 12:49 ]
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Bless your heart. That was a lot to survive!
Is there a YMCA in your area, if not a homeless shelter or Salvation Army? Might get some response from a flyer at your school. Also check with student services to see if they have any leads for temporary housing. Might work out a barter in a roommate situation until you can pay your share. Almost everyone has an empty couch.
Good luck.
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There aren't really resources like that in this county. This is a very wealthy upscale county. There are places like that in SF, but that is too far from school and work. I've already looked in to these options. I don't know what else to do...
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You Might want to try calling the local churches.
Many have emergancy shelter for just such events.
One little church I once attended had two complete apartments over the gym available for just such occassions. Once brought a family in from miles away - Mom and a bunch of little kids; because the dad was beating them up. They got a call; moved her in, kept her hid, and got her help. She was the frined of a friend of a member -So at least some churches can and will help in this way.
I don't know that this is an answer; and I fear you might not find it at all helpful - but it won't caost anything to call around and ask.
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I called those groups and churches this morning. Only one church wanted to help me and they wanted to put me in a house with Mormon missionaries... I'm sorry, but I wouldn't feel ok there...
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Well, I can see why you might not.
I am sorry to hear you struck out with the others -
Call them back and tell them the only help offered was from the mormons - and they should be ashamed they are not as least AS helpful as the LDS.
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Call student services where you go to school. Seriously, they might be able to help. Wish I could but I'm about 3000 miles away and I don't know anyone out there. Good luck!!!! :tup:
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Damn! I wish I could help you out. I did ask a couple of friends from the Left Coast to read your post and see if they come up w/ any ideas. Aside from that, I'm looking around the net for local organizations. You've probably already covered that, though. But, in case you missed it here's one that looks promising:
http://www.nhnc.org/Community.htm (http://www.nhnc.org/Community.htm)
Speak gently! 't is a little thing Dropp'd in the heart's deep well; The good, the joy, that it may bring Eternity shall tell.
-- G. W. Langford: Speak gently.
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Try an AA meeting people there can be very helpful.
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Another thing to try is that sometimes schools (if you're talking about college) have emergency loan programs for students in strictly temporary dire straits.
Another thing to try is that SF has good public transit. You may be able to go to another area with a homeless shelter at night, and then take public transit early in the morning to get back.
The thing about the Mormons is that they will probably be safe if you can politely listen to their views.
Have you called the local Buddhist monastery? They might let you kip on the floor as long as it's not for too long.
After the Mormons, a homeless shelter and BART are probably your best bet.
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I don't mean to sound picky, because all I need is a roof over my head at night and a place to shower, but has anyone ever seen the homeless shelters in SF, CA. They are full of crack-addicts and people with mental instabilities. I'd be safer on the streets...
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dude, three words: tent tarp & sleeping bag
I have been homeless several times in California, and it's not as bad as it sounds if you stay out of the urban centers. I'd suggest staying in Marin would be your best bet.
If you can't find anyone who'll let you live in or near their yard, then bushwack, my friend.
Eat at soup kitchens and don't forget to learn how to dumpster dive ( I once ate an excellent lobster dinner, no lie). Watch out for drunks and get this: most other homeless people you meet will treat you pretty fairly. Drugs are OK, a way to pass the time, but don't overdo it.
Find out where you can take a shower.
Ask around for low level jobs, volunteering is a great way to meet people who will get to know you and will lead to paying gigs and maybe better shelter. Visit your local welfare (food stamp) agencies. Watch the skies.
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On 2005-01-03 12:38:00, 3YearWWASPsurvivor wrote:
"This is really embarassing, but because of certain circumstances, I'm about to be homeless in 10 days. I live in Marin County, in the North Bay of SF,CA. I have a full time job and also go to school(9 units). I am pretty much broke right now and so this situation comes at the worst time. I would ask my mom for help, but 5 years ago when I chose out of the program, she refused to ever help me again. That extends to the rest of my family also. I have asked the closest friends I have, and it isn't possible to stay with any of them. I just need a place to stay until I can save up enough money to get a room with roommates or something like that. Please help.... You can reply to [email protected] . Or you can call me at (415) 747-0943. -William Gagan (Bill Gagan)
(The Lords Ranch 1993) (SUWS 1995) (Brightway 1996) (SCL 1996-1998) (Paradise Cove 1998-1999) (Red Rock Academy 1999)[ This Message was edited by: 3YearWWASPsurvivor on 2005-01-03 12:49 ]"
What is the situation that forces you to leave where you are now? Is it possible to do something differently to stay that works for both parties?
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I live with three girls who go to college, and one of the girls does not want me there anymore because she has issues with guys. I am totally harmless, but she says she did not move in to an all girl apartment to live with a guy. She is being totally unreasonable, but I am thankful for the time that they have let me stay there. I am not going to argue. I'm grateful...
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Forget school until you can get some stability in your life. Get a job, get a place to live, save a little for your future and then go back and do it right. This is the real world and sometimes we have to put things on hold to get our lives back on the right track.
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Dude three words. Grovel, grovel, grovel. Go back and tell mama you are an adult now, and realize the wrong way's of your past and you are sorry for all the trouble you caused as a young one.
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Dude three words. Grovel, grovel, grovel.
Good advice ... for the parents!
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Ya'll should go back and read what this kid (kid? I'm guessing at least 25 by now) has said. He's got full time employment. He's already in school. And he's gotten to this point despite having been through a bunch of WWASP programs and then essentially disowned by his TOUGHLOVE hategroup family.
As to groveling, I dunno. Time has passed and maybe some of your family has come around a bit. But if they're still sucking down the kool aid, you don't have to explain to me why that would be a bad idea. Every time I've fallen on hard times in my life, my family has been thrilled. I finally just quit talking to the sobs.
But it sounds like a few hundred dollars; enough to cover some temporary housing for a month or so, would do it for you. Maybe someone in your family would be willing to spring for that? Maybe student services? Maybe the United Way? I've seen then dole out emergency cash for some really lame, obviously false stories. They'll only do it once, but if it'll help it's probably worth asking.
If you can take it mentally, camping is really not a bad way to go EXCEPT that anyone who's caught a little of the weather news lately knows that it's fucking snowing in LA right now!
Dude, if I were closer, I'd certainly give you the key to my basement. But I'm thousands of miles away. When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do.
William Blake
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Does your school have a bulletin board? Maybe someone else is in dire need of a roommate? You could always get lucky.
With your roommate situation, maybe you could show them what you're doing to get out of there and get more time?
They probably legally *can't* make you move out if you have nowhere to go. Legally, they would probably have to go through the whole procedure of going to court to evict you---which includes that they legally can't throw your stuff out without becoming liable for damages, can't lock you out, etc.
If they call the cops to get you out, the cops will probably tell them that they *can't* just kick you out with noplace to go, that they *have to* actually go to court to evict you.
DISCLAIMER: Call legal aid or a homeless advocacy group and get specific advice on the laws where you are. I am not a lawyer, this is not specific legal advice.
Making them evict you will make them hate you, but it may tide you over a few extra days or weeks while you find someplace else to live. But it might make other potential roommates leery of you, too. Your choice.
Camping, snow or not, probably is your second best bet.
Timoclea
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Not to be mean, but he could also not be telling the entire truth abdout why he is in this situation and trying to take advantage of someone here. I hope not.
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On 2005-01-04 17:40:00, 3YearWWASPsurvivor wrote:
"I don't mean to sound picky, because all I need is a roof over my head at night and a place to shower, but has anyone ever seen the homeless shelters in SF, CA. They are full of crack-addicts and people with mental instabilities. I'd be safer on the streets... "
You don't seem to think you're worth having more than that??? Do you think that just because your parents aren't supporting you financially that you can't make it on your own? Just because your parents chose not to give you money, doesn't mean you have to believe you can't make it on your own!!! Somehow you got the tuition together to go to school. Somehow you got a job. Think about it. If you don't want to share digs with people that stand on street corners during the day begging for food or whatever, you already know you're worth more. Sometimes being pushed to make it on your own, like the situation you're now in, is a blessing in disguise. When are you going to stop depending on other people for your basic needs? You'll only fail if you want to.
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On 2005-01-04 20:21:00, 3YearWWASPsurvivor wrote:
"I live with three girls who go to college, and one of the girls does not want me there anymore because she has issues with guys. I am totally harmless, but she says she did not move in to an all girl apartment to live with a guy. She is being totally unreasonable, but I am thankful for the time that they have let me stay there. I am not going to argue. I'm grateful..."
This is what I'm reading into this:
One of the girls doesn't want to live with a guy...that isn't pulling his own weight (paying the rent.
I say this because you said ....they have let me stay there.
You have a job, so what are you doing with the money you are making? Have a heart to heart with the girls, offer to pay 1/4 of the rent or whatever you can right now, until you can find another place to live. You can't depend on other people to "make it" for you the rest of your life. It may have worked up to this point, but you CAN do it...if you want to. If not, the alternatives look pretty bleak right now.
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On 2005-01-05 22:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
You have a job, so what are you doing with the money you are making?
right exactly, that's why I gave the tent, tarp and bag advice.
This guy works full time and can't get a room? Very wierd. So wierd, in fact that it's time for him to give this whole "civilization" thing a new look from a new perspective. Original poster dude, if you really are carrying that heavy a load and can't get decent shelter, then take a break. Rethink this whole rat race thing. Lie low for awhile, rest your mind. To get to this state of affairs, you must be misunderstanding something basic. Let it go for awhile.
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It is also true that rents in the SF area are outrageous! It's one of the most expensive areas in the U.S. for housing. I know of someone there who shares a tiny 1 bedroom apt. with 2 other people. His share (1/3) of the rent equals the total rent on a large apartment in the town where he used to live.
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be careful everyone.This guy went to WWASP programs years ago because he was raping many men and women.He says he has changed, but he was always a liar, so how should we know if hes telling the truth now?
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If you're not kidding, I'm guessing you come by this knowledge by way of his confessions while at WWASP. So... if you're sure he's a liar, then why do you believe it?
To regard Christ as God, and to pray to him, are to my mind the greatest possible sacrilege.
--Leo Tolstoy, Russian revolutionary
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Hi,
Not sure if you got my email about suggestions, but I just thought of another one since you are not willing to go to a shelter. Have you looked into any camp grounds?
The other thing is if you are not being legally evicted your roomates can not just force you to leave on their whim (at least in the state where I live). Call your local Legal Services for advice on evictions. It sounds like you do not want to cause any bad blood with the roommates, but they need to be a little more understanding and follow the law when it comes to evictions so you are not just left on the streets.
The Mormon Church isn't that bad with trying to force feed people their religious agendas. I think they are some people you can trust. My boss is a Mormom and I know a few others and have found them all to have integrity and willing to help people regardless of religion affilation. In fact my friend went through some hard times years ago and happened to meet a Mormon that came to his door. He set my friend up with a job in a steel factory and helped him get on his feet.
Let us all know how things are going for you, alright?
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Most people are just 2 0r 3 paychecks away from being homeless. He may be spending every last dime on housing and living expenses. Sure he can rent a room, but he is still going to need to come up with a security deposit and first month's rent. That's a lot for someone to come up if they do not have the luxury of a savings account in an emergency.
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On 2005-01-06 12:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"be careful everyone.This guy went to WWASP programs years ago because he was raping many men and women.He says he has changed, but he was always a liar, so how should we know if hes telling the truth now?"
WWASPS programs do not admit rapists. Try again.
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Rock on, Krystene. The SF area is so expensive, I had a good friend with a master's degree go out there and decide to bag it because of the price of rent!!! Unless you make $12 or $14 an hour or more, with rents that high you can easily get further and further behind. If you have never been homeless in America just consider yourself lucky. It is not at all weird to be homeless and working full time. Many in California are doing just that, very responsible people, with families, even.[ This Message was edited by: Pietra on 2005-01-07 21:04 ]
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On 2005-01-07 18:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-01-06 12:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"be careful everyone.This guy went to WWASP programs years ago because he was raping many men and women.He says he has changed, but he was always a liar, so how should we know if hes telling the truth now?"
WWASPS programs do not admit rapists. Try again."
WWASPS programs admit anyone who can pay. Try again.
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I can't get over the people who can't conceive of some guy working full time, going to school, and being broke.
I did temporary secretarial work for three years after graduating from college, and I was darned near broke a lot of the time.
One year, my parents gave me a new carburetor for my birthday because that's what I asked for.
Yes, I could have gotten around on public transit, but it took so much more *time* every day than commuting by car.
If you get sick and have to pay for a major medical procedure while you don't have health insurance, you can suddenly be very broke despite working as hard as you can and being as financially responsible as you can.
If you get in an accident---one of those that's legally your fault but in practice is almost impossible to avoid, as sometimes happens--your car deductible can wipe you out.
Or, even if you're paying the rent and everything on time, one of your roomies can decide she just doesn't like you. It happens. I lived in a roommate situation where I was one of the people that asked a guy to move because we just couldn't stand him. He wasn't a bad human being, but little things about someone can drive you nuts when you have to try to share the same small apartment. We *didn't* kick him out on the street--he had a month to find somewhere else to live and he did. We *wouldn't* have kicked him out homeless---if he was really looking, we'd have given him more time. He was getting on our nerves, badly--but we didn't hate the guy, or have any reason to hate him. He just wasn't working out as a roommate.
Shit happens.
The anonymous guy's program brainwash shit about "don't you believe you can make it on your own" is such garbage. Sometimes even if you do your best, you're screwed. Which is why when you see someone being screwed over despite really trying, you help him---because you know it could be you next time.
*Most* of the time if you're doing your best and being responsible, you're okay.
But sometimes stuff just happens. And most of us who have *decent* families get help from them or help them out when it does.
Hell, once my dad had his car break down when driving through the city I live in on the way to visit my grandmother. He called me, I went and picked him up, and he spent the night at my place, calling around in the morning to get his car fixed, etc.
Once my sister had something she needed to come to in my town and stayed at my place---she was here for reasons other than just visiting me, but I was glad to see her and glad to be able to spare her the cost of a hotel.
When Grandma died, the bulk of the arrangements fell on my parents, right at Thanksgiving. Some neighbors invited them over for T'giving dinner, and we took t'giving leftovers (turkey, a casserole dish of dressing just for them, etc.) so they wouldn't miss out on turkey sandwiches after.
My mil has stayed with us in transit during a move.
Friends who were out of work and moving stayed with us for a couple of weeks---with their kids and days-old newborn baby. And they stayed with us again when the dad was interviewing for a job in our city.
Pretty much nobody makes it *all* on their own.
Most of us *mostly* make it on our own, but mostly help each other out a bit along the way.
Having your own blood kin cut you out of their life is a major lifelong handicap no matter how competent and self-sufficient you are.
Sometimes, your kin is so flaky or bad that it's worth it, but it's a big handicap nonetheless.
It makes it doubly important to build close ties to a church or other family of affiliation to be there for each other when times are tough.
Everybody goes through tough times.
Kid---if you're judeo-christian at all, after you get through with this (religion is not supposed to matter, but it does), join the Masons.
I'm not kidding in the least.
The Masons do substantial social service work, which you should make sure you participate heavily in. And make sure you cultivate good, mutual friendships and are thoughtful and there to help others out when they need it.
Then, the next time you're down on your luck, if it truly is just everything bad coming together at once (as it sometimes does) and you're doing your best, your lodge brothers will probably help you out.
Timoclea
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Oh, another thing you could do---if you wouldn't feel comfortable taking the Mormons up on their offer of rooming with their missionaries since you don't accept their religion, you *might* explain that to them but ask if, while camping, you can prevail on them for a place to shower. Tell them that when you're back on your feet you'll be happy to donate to cover their cost of helping out the next person who needs it, but that you just wouldn't feel right thinking you were taking something for nothing when you *know* you're not really open to missionary efforts on your behalf just now.
You might be very surprised---they might actually understand and be able to work with you on that.
They might respect your integrity--you never know.
Worth a try, if you plan to camp.
Sorry advice is the best help I can give, I'm thousands of miles away, too.
The other thing you can consider is cutting your losses on the classes and seeing if your county has the program some California counties have of giving one way bus tickets. If there's someplace less expensive to live that has a better employment climate than where you are now, you *might* find the situation an improvement. If there's stuff you can sell for cash--like to used CD places and such, you might be able to reduce your load of junk *and* help scrape up the cash to get you started in another town.
You have web access---maybe you could find a job in that town and have it waiting for you? The first thought I've got is if social services will give you a bus ticket, find fast food places that are hiring and are company stores, fax them an application, get the manager's name, explain your situation (dressed nice and all presentable) to the manager of a local company store of the same chain and ask will he put in a word with the manager of the store in the *other* town on how presentable and personable you are (I'd do this with a couple of chains).
I know it sounds a little far-fetched, but that's what would be most likely to make it work---you would come across to both managers as clean, presentable, smiling, eager and motivated to work hard. If you could get two fast food jobs near each other in a town not bad to live in---or better yet, a job at wal-mart---or a job at wal-mart and a fast food job---and you could find a place to shower and stay, and pick a town with a lowish cost of living and a decent junior college, then you could get yourself squared away and back in school.
The thing is, it would be much easier to do almost *anywhere* else than California. Getting out of California might be a real good plan.
Or, you could save up at that town until you could earn enough for a bus ticket and startup cash in the next town a state or a few over until you got to someplace you could actually stand to live with a decent cost of living.
Actually, since you're a guy, you have another option that isn't as available to women.
As long as you're physically "whole", anyplace far enough south that concrete will cure in the winter time will have day labor construction jobs where you can just line up with the illegals and work hard. It's dirty, heavy, fairly dangerous sometimes, and hard work---but the pay's okay as long as you keep your mouth shut, do what you're told, work hard at it, and don't make waves.
Work like a Mexican. Advantage is getting paid in cash. Eat like a Mexican. Advantage is it's reasonably cheap.
You're young enough to probably get away with it for a few months, you can work your way across the country, you can end up wherever you want to be that's cheaper than California, and *then* you can pull yourself up through school, etc.
Also, you sound young. Consider going down to the recruiting station and joining the Army, national guard, etc.
Explain your situation and let them get you right into basic. You'll probably get a signing bonus if that's what the recruiter has to do to help get you put up somewhere until you go off to basic.
You'll get job skills and be eligible for the GI Bill---and the changes they've made mean that even if you're in the guard and not regular, your GI benefits are scaled based on how long you're actually activated---and in a war, you'll be activated. So you get paid *and* the army takes care of your food, shelter, and clothing. And you get money for college.
Maybe your history will have them say no---but maybe not, and maybe not *all* the branches of the service. Worth a try.
Timoclea
Timoclea
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heyi live in pacifica sorry to here about that i was in a program tpp waasp actuall spring creeka nd jamaica so talk to me i am about to get my own appt in two days
What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp.
George Washington, Writings of Washington, Vol. 35, pg. 72
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The military is also a way to go for those who need housing, education and so forth. It's a good way to get your education and get paid. You also get alot of benefits for the rest of your life. Just a suggestion.....
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Everybody beware, this guy is gay(For real), I e-mailed him about letting him stay in my home just because I love helping people out.We moved all of his stuff in, and this guy has the nerve to sneak into my husbands bedroom,, and start playing with my husbands penis! :flame:
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I hope that is not true,the one that cares.
But not hard to believe, i did say beware of him trying to take advantage of someone here.
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What? My goodness I hope that's not real!!! Did your husband retaliate? That's just wrong!
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You expect us to believe you? did your husband just sit there and let him? your a liar
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On 2005-01-13 04:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Everybody beware, this guy is gay(For real), I e-mailed him about letting him stay in my home just because I love helping people out.We moved all of his stuff in, and this guy has the nerve to sneak into my husbands bedroom,, and start playing with my husbands penis! :flame: "
Please do not feed the trolls.
Geez, you guys haven't been on the internet long enough to be able to tell the trolls from the real people?
Timocleasunday school: A prison in which children do penance for the evil conscience of their parents.
--H. L. Mencken, American publisher
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Thats the kind of thing makes me wish Ginger would moderate a little. That crap does no good what so ever; adds nothing to the rampant talking so valued, accomplishing anything - in fact, that is exactly the kind of thing that makes the parents who might be coming around, turn and run the other way.
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I agree AND to the savvy parent who is researching the industry who might stumble upon Fornits, it will give them further insight into the mentality of program advocates.
The parents who are dead-set on ditching their kids... wouldn't matter much anyway.
Can't save everyone. When you start moderating it becomes a full time job, or atleast it would be here with the volume of messages. And where do you draw the line? How do you defend the accusations of censorship that would surely come from the other side? Best to allow the free flow of information and opinions, and let 'those with ears hear'.
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Free flow of ideas is all well and good - And I understand the need and applauded those providing a place for the exchange; But what I'm referring to is not an idea, or information - its is a flagrant and outrageous lie, told only to cheapen and degrade any value the board might have.
It would not be censorship to delete it; it would be protecting the integrity of the board. And it wouldn't be a full time job. You could do a report post to moderator - and look over any reports and decide pretty quickly if it is garbage or actually saying something.
But, I know how Ginger feels - and I know it aint gonna happen - I just can't help hoping she'll change her mind.
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o.k., I have to say, I don't know what's real or not. About to be homeless, I was once in your shoes. I ran from an abusive marriage with my kids. It can be done. I agree, you are in the wrong place. There are places all across the country who will help you. If neccesary, you can leave there! there are colleges everywhere! Credits do transfer. Go to a small town. I live in the south. It is easy here to get help. Look outside your box! You should have learned at least that much if you are a wwasp survivor.
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I'm pretty sure that this is a just troll. But who's to say? When I heard about a kid getting buried alive some 30 years ago at a TBS in Maine I thought that was probably made up too. Then comes along a couple of wittnesses. Turns out it was true. Then there was the story about the kids being kept in dog kennels. Who knew, before the video evidence came out, that that was for real?
My point is that all kinds of unbelievable and sick stories are told here all the time. Which ones should I believe and which ones should I squelch? Can you be absolutely sure which are which?
Locate the blind spot in the culture--the place where the culture isn't looking, because it dare not--because if it were to look there, its previous values would dissolve.
Terence McKenna
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On 2005-01-13 04:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I hope that is not true,the one that cares.
But not hard to believe, i did say beware of him trying to take advantage of someone here."
Well, pin a rose on you. :roll:
THIS...
Everybody beware, this guy is gay(For real), I e-mailed him about letting him stay in my home just because I love helping people out.We moved all of his stuff in, and this guy has the nerve to sneak into my husbands bedroom,, and start playing with my husbands penis!
is an example of a troll. Not real.
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Either it was a troll or hes gonna be offline for a while.
Maybe it was not trolling in the bad way but trolling as in fishing for responces without trying to be inflamatory?
All I can say is I wish the man luck if hes homeless, and if not, well, I dont really care, lol. Homeschool is self regulating. The school board is not going to have illiterate useless people living in their homes forever if they don't have a working education policy.
--Sisterbluerose
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Moderating does take way too much time. I'm a moderator on another site, and once there is one, the job can snowball in a hurry. There's a certain percentage of adults that just can't bear not to act like spoiled children.
Neither having moderation, nor ignoring trolls, is an easy solution. For Ginger's purposes, ignoring trolls is probably the better choice.
If she moderated anything, even just the obvious trolls, she'd be accused by both sides of surreptitiously censoring what she didn't want people to hear.
Trolls are a pain in the ass. So is moderation. You pays your money and you takes your choice.
Timoclea
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You can request help online
http://www.modestneeds.org (http://www.modestneeds.org)
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To the person who said that the potentially homeless person played with her husband's penis, I noticed you mentioned your husband's bedroom. Are you saying you and your husband do not sleep in the same bedroom? You did not say our bedroom.I know It is most likely a troll but I could not resist.
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Thanks for understanding, Timoclea.
On 2005-01-16 06:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
If she moderated anything, even just the obvious trolls, she'd be accused by both sides of surreptitiously censoring what she didn't want people to hear.
There's one other thing, too. I've been wrong before. I've looked at a post, written it off as too outlandish to be true and later found out I was wrong. So it's not just the perception of censorship that would be a problem. It's the reality that I'm not qualified to judge.
Oh, and trolls aren't always a pain in the ass. Sometimes they're damned entertaining. :wink:
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins; all of them imaginary.
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well, more than 10 days has passed..wonder what ever came of this.