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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 22, 2004, 08:18:00 PM
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Anybody who knows anything respond. Allgood came out of Cedu and he believes that the ends justify the means. Back in the 70's he would accuse the kids he had molested of being crazy and tell the parents that the kid could not come to the phone.
Cascade school was in northern california and he and lon woodbury had a racket where they would send each other kids to molest. Many place when they found out that allgood was cedu scam who had fled north would stop sending kids there. Allgood believes his own lies and scammed the brown schools out of millions so that he make his emotional growth facility appear nice to parents and not look a well...you say it.
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what do you mean "scammed the brown schools out of millions"?
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I thought Cascade was closed down, not sold to Brown. I knew Allgood, he was under Wasserman then actually became head of CEDU when I was there. First time I met him I thought he was gay. Was he really molesting people?
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Melzer and allgood would corner a kid and then drag him off where they could have there way with him then they would threaten to put the kid on full time if he said anything or worse yet send him to provo which was a lock up that allgood would tell the parents to send the kid there over the phone. rudy benz found out they were abusing kids and he ran off because he was wanted for murder in pennsylvania . allgood and his socippaths ran up to cascade so they could not be arrested. many of these kids have commited suicide and they would always blame the poor victim for it and say he was suicidal when he got there and was being abused before and so they would claim they werent doing anything to him that hadn't been done before. those assholes are living rich now off the poor parents and kids they screwed all the way to their whitmore california near redding houses
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I went to Cascade school until it shut down. It doesn't appear all of you have the correct message so i will give you the rundown. One weekend the kids got fed up and planned. Monday they went straight from school to their dorms about 20 of 120 people did not participate and the girls wsent over to the guys dorms in bras and skirts. Then they all just sat and chilled playing music and shit. :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:
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Which dorms did these happen in?
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If any from Cascade was there from 93-95, e-mail me
Alex
[email protected]
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in all the dorms but pendragon
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who are all the abusive staff at cascade? allgood is a mindfucker who uses loyalty to justify anything. it does not matter if you are good or evil or honest or a liar if he does not like something you did you are fucked. you could abuse but if he likes you that is okay as long as you do what he wants you to. Coercion, brainwashing, manipulation, turn others against you those are his games.
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wow, i guess those whole-school rebellions actually work... we used to talk about starting riots and whatnot at cedu hs all the time, but it never really happened.
but we just had the boys come down to our dorms and listen to music and some girls would fuck the boys anyway... it was just my dorm tho (i'm sure they were so happy that they'd chosen me, such a "responsible" dorm head.) and a select few that we brought over.
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any cedu people in california? tell us your stories and if you want to meet others
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who are all the abusive staff at cascade? mindfuckers who uses loyalty to justify anything. it does not matter if you are good or evil or honest or a liar if he does not like something you did you are fucked. you could abuse but if he likes you that is okay as long as you do what he wants you to. Coercion, brainwashing, manipulation, turn others against you those are his games.
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Anybody who knows anything respond. Allgood came out of Cedu and he believes that the ends justify the means. Back in the 70's he would accuse the kids he had molested of being crazy and tell the parents that the kid could not come to the phone.
Cascade school was in northern california and he and lon woodbury had a racket where they would send each other kids to molest. Many place when they found out that allgood was cedu scam who had fled north would stop sending kids there. Allgood believes his own lies and scammed the brown schools out of millions so that he make his emotional growth facility appear nice to parents and not look a well...you say it.
what happened to this fruitcake, anyway, anyone?
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I went to Cascade in 95'. I hated that school. They were manipulative and they brainwashed. The monitored phone calls every two weeks, so we couldn't cry for help or tell my parents how horrible that place was. I finally started to refuse my phone calls and hoped my parents would trip out. Finally I got out of that place. I didn't have to stay the full two years THank goodness. Do you all remember the strip search at the beginning. Being put on bands. Level 1, 2, and 3 punishments. Etc.... That place wasfucked up.
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I keep hearing about these levels of punishments. Level 1, level 2, etc. When I was at RMA, they had two levels, Work Details and Full Times. One was for minor stuff, lasted maybe a day or two with bans from speaking. Full time was for major issues and lasted a minimum of ten days, could go as long as three months. You were usually restricted to a table/booth in the dining room, forced to stare at a wall for hours a day, no personal contact, you couldn't laugh, smile or make any eye contact with others. You were typically banned from speaking to at least half the campus, sometimes including staff (especially new staff) or it could be the entire campus except for five or less people. And everything, as always, involved working alone doing hard labor.
I went on one work detail because my friends didn't indict me in a rap on command. Somehow that was my fault. And then I got caught having sex in a walk-in freezer and went on my one and only full time.
So am I to understand these programs got rid of the prison-sounding names for punishments and simply gave them numbers? And what happened at each level? What was a normal level 1 or level 3 punishment and how many levels were there? Inquiring minds want to know...
Glad to hear you got out early.
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I finally started to refuse my phone calls and hoped my parents would trip out.
Fuck, that's a pretty good tactic.
Wish I had thought of that.
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In my experience, the cults loves that because they can further isolate and drive a wedge from you. Then, the sole point of contact is whatever the cult tells them.
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In my experience, the cults loves that because they can further isolate and drive a wedge from you. Then, the sole point of contact is whatever the cult tells them.
What this does, IMO, is not what it causes the cult to do, but rather, what it can cause the parent to do. Why can't I talk to my kid? Why won't he talk to me?
No answer a cult can give them is really going to suffice, if they are truly worth their salt as a parent. I know my mom would have flipped the fuck out no matter what the school told her. She had no idea I was unhappy, hell I didnt even admit it to myself. I would have gone into a crisis. She said to me years later that if she had known, she would have pulled me in a second.
A lot of WWASPS parents, however, don't seem to clue in to this after they are denied extensive access to their kids, so you definitely seem to be right concerning that.
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I just remember being at CEDU with kids who refused to talk to their folks, and staff telling the parents that it was "therapeutic." The parents brought it hook, line and sinker.
Personally, I think some of the rich overly entitled parenst looked at it as a get out of jail for free card. Happy to let the kid call you after being throoughly brainwashed.
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My parents completely approved of the isolation and limited contact with the outside. Even though my siblings would never have written me or phoned me had they been allowed, when they were told they could not, they were the ones who questioned this, not my parents.
I did come close to cutting off all communications with them shortly after I arrived. In an effort to mend fences, I wrote them an eight page, hand written letter with nothing to say but nice things. It came back five days later, same envelope and stamped Return To Sender. I opened it up and found my letter inside, corrected in red ink. Words properly spelled, proper punctuation, grammatically correct, yet corrections made nonetheless. Clearly this was meant as an insult.
Technically I did cut off communications because I now recall that two months later Bob Silfies had cornered me and asked why I had not written to my parents. When I told him, he said I needed to work through it and to send another letter. When I refused, he said I would be kicked out of Courier du Bois. I said, cool! When that failed as an incentive, he threatened me with a work detail. I said, cool! I prefer to work alone, I get more done. Then he threatened me with a wide range of bans, and that was actually the one punishment that could make life difficult and annoying. So I gave in. Kind of wish I hadn't, but 25 years is a lot of time to reflect.
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Hold the phone...
your parents did this??
That is some seriously fucked up shit.
If my mom or dad had done that to me that would have been rap fodder for months. I would have been crying my eyes out.
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I went to cascade in the 80s. I could not handle it and took off in the middle of the night with 2 guys that ended up going back. I made it all the way down and actually had holes in my shoes but I was not going back for anything. thankfully I ended up ok...LOL. If you remember which I doubt my name is elysee and if you do facebook me elysee palmer...LMAO
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OH..and if anyone knows how to make that granola thing we would have in the mornings PLEASE facebook me
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Anybody who knows anything respond. Allgood came out of Cedu and he believes that the ends justify the means. Back in the 70's he would accuse the kids he had molested of being crazy and tell the parents that the kid could not come to the phone.
Cascade school was in northern california and he and lon woodbury had a racket where they would send each other kids to molest. Many place when they found out that allgood was cedu scam who had fled north would stop sending kids there. Allgood believes his own lies and scammed the brown schools out of millions so that he make his emotional growth facility appear nice to parents and not look a well...you say it.
I doubt the bit about the 70's. I was at CEDU with Allgood then. He was married to Danielle and noone ever said anything to me about Allgood molesting anyone. Actually Wasserman was first running the place and it was hell - Allgood took it over and mellowed it out some, abolished full-time think tank and seemed to take an intellectual approach encouraging people to learn philosophy and all. I don't know what he became later, you could be right. However I am vehemently against CEDU and similar programs. Allgood seemed smarter than to buy all this feelings therapy holy grail nonsense but he was selling it so I'm definitely not taking his side but I really don't think any molestation was going on in the 70's. Also, they would never let you talk to your parents on the phone back then. Wasserman had really been running a gulag.
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Anybody who knows anything respond. Allgood came out of Cedu and he believes that the ends justify the means. Back in the 70's he would accuse the kids he had molested of being crazy and tell the parents that the kid could not come to the phone.
Cascade school was in northern california and he and lon woodbury had a racket where they would send each other kids to molest. Many place when they found out that allgood was cedu scam who had fled north would stop sending kids there. Allgood believes his own lies and scammed the brown schools out of millions so that he make his emotional growth facility appear nice to parents and not look a well...you say it.
I doubt the bit about the 70's. I was at CEDU with Allgood then. He was married to Danielle and noone ever said anything to me about Allgood molesting anyone. Actually Wasserman was first running the place and it was hell - Allgood took it over and mellowed it out some, abolished full-time think tank and seemed to take an intellectual approach encouraging people to learn philosophy and all. I don't know what he became later, you could be right. However I am vehemently against CEDU and similar programs. Allgood seemed smarter than to buy all this feelings therapy holy grail nonsense but he was selling it so I'm definitely not taking his side but I really don't think any molestation was going on in the 70's. Also, they would never let you talk to your parents on the phone back then. Wasserman had really been running a gulag.
Fwiw, you might want to check out the following thread re. Michael Allgood's activities and proclivities:
- Cedu survivor from 82-85 wants feedback from all
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5332 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5332)
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Knew what he was talking about as far as I recall. He's just a teacher - teaches the "hard way" but if you signed a deal with Mike I'm sure
he'll cover you.