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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Facility Question and Answers => Topic started by: Carmel on June 24, 2006, 10:50:00 PM

Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: Carmel on June 24, 2006, 10:50:00 PM
This seems a little prurient....I mean, whats the difference? There was no "cult-like' if you really consider it. They are all cults, plain and simple.

Like a grand plume of offshoot cults stemming from the the same old time-tested rotten methodology.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2006, 10:59:00 PM
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On 2006-06-24 19:55:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Of course they are all cults. I am curious to which is the most blatantly cult like. Some programs at least attempt to cover up their cultiness with a thin veneer of some psuedo-babble they pass off as treatment. Others do not even bother with that, they just go full banana nutty cult.

India Indicas, Mr. Peabody?
-- Sherman

"


Now THIS is some of the wit that I love!!! :tup:
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: MightyAardvark on June 25, 2006, 05:23:00 AM
In my experience the cult like aspects of the program are not the ones that effect the child. They don't need to be. Trapped in a situation and entirely at the mercy of their keepers for an undetermined amount of time eventually the kid is going to break so the cult like aspect is unimportant.

The Cult-like activity is much more significant in the program-parent interaction as the program needs to gain and maintain control over the thinking processes of a grown adult who can walk out at any time. Therefore inmho the most cultlike group is WWASPS using the Gilcrease model seminars.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: Anonymous on June 25, 2006, 05:43:00 AM
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On 2006-06-25 02:23:00, MightyAardvark wrote:

"Therefore inmho the most cultlike group is WWASPS using the Gilcrease model seminars."


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Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: TheWho on June 25, 2006, 07:49:00 PM
done and done. [ This Message was edited by: Three Springs Waygookin on 2006-06-25 17:30 ]
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: Anonymous on June 25, 2006, 11:14:00 PM
Let me guess, the first request by Who was to delete his post and the second was to ban him from your forum forever?

Back to the topic, WWASPS is run by a Mormon in Utah. Pretty sure that cinches the cult title.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: teachback on June 25, 2006, 11:17:00 PM
Straight, Inc is by far the most cult-like!

Don't ask me how I know this; I just know...
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: Deborah on June 26, 2006, 09:33:00 AM
Roloff was an independent, baptist preacher, Hell bent on rehabilitating youth. Went to great lengths to avoid state regulation. He used to travel around Tx holding revivals in tents. Radical fundy.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: Anonymous on June 26, 2006, 10:35:00 AM
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On 2006-06-26 00:47:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Nah the who annoyed me with his crap so I erased it, then he asked if I was from North Korea so I erased it again.



Straight and WWASP hmmmmm



Who did that freak Rolof work for?

Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves

--Ronald Reagan

"

North Korea?
You mean The Who is so stupid he even believes the stuff I write!?  :eek:
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: odie on June 26, 2006, 12:09:00 PM
Nothing will ever come close to Synanon. It was from this cult that all of the behavior modification programs were born. :wave:

I was born a heretic. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
--Susan B. Anthony, U.S. reformer and suffragist

Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: tommyfromhyde1 on June 26, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
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On 2006-06-25 02:23:00, MightyAardvark wrote:

"In my experience the cult like aspects of the program are not the ones that effect the child. They don't need to be. Trapped in a situation and entirely at the mercy of their keepers for an undetermined amount of time eventually the kid is going to break so the cult like aspect is unimportant.



The Cult-like activity is much more significant in the program-parent interaction as the program needs to gain and maintain control over the thinking processes of a grown adult who can walk out at any time. Therefore inmho the most cultlike group is WWASPS using the Gilcrease model seminars.



"

To expand on the program-parent thing, at Hyde the demands for money were a big part of that. Hyde also used parent seminars and most of those were also pitches for "donations" - over and above what the parents were paying for the already high tuition. In addition to enriching the Hyde people, the "donations" were intended to prove the parents' commitment to Hyde and lack of same could cause your kid to be treated horribly (as I learned). But the more money a parent gave to Hyde, the more they got sucked into the program themselves and the less likely they were to listen to their kids.
As to "the most cultlike" I gotta go with Odie. Synanon is the only rehab cult I know of that got an inmate to commit murder for them.

               The body of
        Benjamin Franklin, printer,
      (Like the cover of an old book,
            Its contents worn out,
    And scripts of it's lettering and gilding)
       Lies Here, food for worms!
     Yet the work itself shall not be lost,
For it will, as he believed, appear once more
                 In a new
         And more beautiful edition,
          Corrected and amended
                By it's Author!

Epitaph for himself.

--Benjamin Franklin 1706-1790

Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: MightyAardvark on June 27, 2006, 06:27:00 AM
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On 2006-06-25 16:24:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"That is one scary looking little bastard. Still other than your opinion MA what supporting facts do you have to report to support your claim?

I cannot see how a man of any large degree of humorous perception can ever be religious -- unless he purposely shut the eyes of his mind and keep them shut by force.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

"


My nomination is based on the following... Every other program conditions it's inmates through various interpretations of milieu control. It's not hard to get people to internalise your ideas when you hold almost limitless power over them.
Therefore the inmate murders etc are less impressive as a demonstration of technical skill than, say persuading an intelligent and articulate parents to voluntarily part with $40000 of ther hard earned money to have their kids treated like criminals. WWASPS conditions parents without recourse to the most important supporting principle of thought reform and that my friends is pretty fucking scary.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: MightyAardvark on June 27, 2006, 09:32:00 AM
With reference back to the original question, neither of those two things (freakaleak ceremonies or homicides) are intrinsic features of cults or cult-like organisations. While I agree that both of those organisations are really scary they are still less cult like than wwasps.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: MightyAardvark on June 28, 2006, 02:47:00 AM
You're right that is remarkably unsettling.
I think we might have a case for separate catagories here.

Fornits cultiness award for best programming techniques goes to...(sound of opening envelope)... David Gilcrease of WWASPS

Fornits Cultiness award for most bizarre practices goes to CEDU....
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: LauraLee on June 29, 2006, 01:53:00 PM
I hear Hyde is pretty cult-like.

I almost got sent there... *phew*
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: Troll Control on June 29, 2006, 02:06:00 PM
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On 2006-06-28 17:33:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Holy shit.. Go read this crap MA...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synanon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synanon)





Now that is some serious culty shit.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.

--Thomas Jefferson, 1791, in a letter to Archibald Stuart

"


CEDU = Charles E. Dederich University

How 'bout them culty apples?
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: tommyfromhyde1 on June 29, 2006, 03:05:00 PM
Another quick synopsis of Synanon's violence:
http://www.ptreyeslight.com/columns/spa ... 26_03.html (http://www.ptreyeslight.com/columns/sparsely/sparsely1126_03.html)

A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say at the age of eighteen.
--Oscar Wilde

Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: try another castle on December 13, 2006, 05:17:53 AM
Quote from: ""Dysfunction Junction""
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On 2006-06-28 17:33:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:


"Holy shit.. Go read this crap MA...





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synanon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synanon)








Now that is some serious culty shit.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much

liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.


--Thomas Jefferson, 1791, in a letter to Archibald Stuart

"




CEDU = Charles E. Dederich University



How 'bout them culty apples?


Are culty apples in season? Oooo.  :o

Far be it for me to bump an ancient thread, but I haven't skulked around here for a while.

As an RMA/CEDU alum, I wish I could weigh in on this with more specifics, but unfortunately, I don't have blownawaytheidahoway's remarkable elephantine memory when it comes to the workshops and propheets. (And he was there when I was. I have no idea how he manages to retain all of that information.) All I know is that they were surreal and crazy. The most absurd for me was the towel-biting exercise in the I & Me, and the lifeboat exercise in the Summit. Taking into consideration that CEDU's "theraputic" practices were fueled by not one, but two cults (Synanon, and later Lifespring, for the Summit workshop), I would have to say that it places CEDU pretty high on the list in the mindfuckery department.

I've read a lot about people's experiences from other institutions, such as straight, wwasps, boot camps, and they have shocked me. It made me feel like I was kind of lucky in that I didn't have to do things like piss and shit in front of staff, or get restrained (except for in the I Want To Live propheet) or beaten. We had wilderness expeditions, and ski trips, and presents for Christmas, and we got to see our parents periodically. However, Ginger mentioned to me once that the more she hears about CEDU, the more it freaks her out, and this is coming from someone who was in Straight. It surprised me to hear that from her, and kind of made me realize that I may be too quick to belittle my own past experiences.

But anyway, yeah, RMA was nutty. You definitely came out of there brainwashed. Blownaway and I were there during the "no tolerance" era, with super strict rules and lots of thought police. I was so paranoid and wanted to be so perfect I would cop to just about any negative thought I had, in fear that if I didn't, the staff would find out sooner or later. There were a lot of other kids who were much more resilient than me in this regard, and others who were worse. I witnessed an extremely smart, sweet guy in my peer group practically decompensate in the summit. I mean, he just totally lost it. He was crying and screaming in frustration, during a part of the workshop when that wasn't "on the script", as it were. We were all sitting around going on with the exercise, trying to ignore him, and he was literally having a nervous breakdown, because he had just had it. I remember being horrified. I don't even remember how he managed to pull himself back from the brink and go on with the workshop, but he deserves some sort of mental fortitude award for it, to be sure.

Here's what I wrestle with: There are people from my era who post sometimes in the forums, and they say that CEDU/RMA was the best thing that ever happened to them. I say "Great! Good for you. Glad you aren't fucked up about it." But I don't understand it. I can't contextualize it. How can such a dogmatic environment produce such polarized opinions? I really don't hear anyone from straight or wwasps saying that they loved the place, (but I could be wrong) only CEDU/RMA. I'm not one of those guys who is going to say "fuck you, man, you're still brainwashed." Because I just don't think it's true. I do believe that everyone handles experiences their own way, but when I hear people say "That was a great school, I loved it." I wonder "God damn. Am I just crazy? Did I miss something?" There's always that element of doubt for me.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: try another castle on December 13, 2006, 05:30:26 AM
If he was there in 1990, he got there about a year after I graduated.


I don't really talk about my experiences much, either. I've written about them on the forum, because there is that element of safety through anonymity, but I don't go into a whole lot of detail with friends or loved ones. And I certainly am never going to tell my parents what I went through. I don't think they would ever forgive themselves.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: try another castle on December 13, 2006, 06:06:05 AM
I know, it's like a fucking virus, or the pod people, or something. People get infected, then they go and infect others.

I'm sure there's a video game in there, somewhere.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: try another castle on December 13, 2006, 11:06:06 AM
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bad sex doesn't make you wake up crying in your sleep years later...


Speak for yourself. I was raped by clowns, so sometimes I wake up crying, and sometimes I wake up laughing.


I think the whole TBS acronym started while I was away, what do the letters stand for? Tit and Ball Slamming?

As for now, I think I'm still going to stick with the invasion of the body snatchers parallel. But asshole and poo jokes are always good. I'm all about the poo jokes.


Watch out for clowns.
Title: "I love CEDU"
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on December 13, 2006, 12:42:05 PM
Welcome back Castle. Good to see your rotating facial features.
CEDU IS  a cult.
that you didn't know it stood for Charles E. Deitrich University is revealing the same way I finally discovered that when I DID finally run away from that hellhole, I should not have tried to go home. Three thousand miles? I should not have tried to get to Spokane. What I should have done is go to the first attorney office that I could waltz into...wouldn't he have been disbarred for not looking into a runaway's complaints? Ah hindsight.
I wish I had figured that out at 14 and not at REDACTED. If only I hadn't been so sure I could trust the police or my own parents.

Castle your post somewhere earlier today made me wince about not even telling your parents anything because it may break their heart- I'm having a dilemma in my writing as per needing to include them, to inform them, and to blame them. It's crisis causing, gut- wrenching, and ulcer squeezing to continue to not be sure if this experience should be told truthfully. Shouldn't it though? I am such a dog for making them re-live these years again. How did you get strong again? These holidays, and these pages I'm working on are making me come unglued. My folks and I will  never see things peaceful as long as this is still in my present. I know that, and yet, I'm still here. There.

But not to deviate from your intresting quest to find out the most culti of the crew. CEDU should be considered for the Most honorable mention after Synanon. I think of them like the Sutherlands. You might be familiar with Donald from so many roles. But we all know who Jack Baur is. CEDU.
Title: whom
Post by: Covergaard on December 13, 2006, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
He did tell me the story about being at the program around the same time as Rosanne Barr's daughter. Not sure what that was all about.


Brandi, Jennifer or Jessica ?
Title: Re: "I love CEDU"
Post by: try another castle on December 13, 2006, 02:49:24 PM
Quote from: ""blownawaytheidahoway""
Welcome back Castle. Good to see your rotating facial features.
CEDU IS  a cult.
that you didn't know it stood for Charles E. Deitrich University is revealing the same way I finally discovered that when I DID finally run away from that hellhole, I should not have tried to go home. Three thousand miles? I should not have tried to get to Spokane. What I should have done is go to the first attorney office that I could waltz into...wouldn't he have been disbarred for not looking into a runaway's complaints? Ah hindsight.
I wish I had figured that out at 14 and not at REDACTED. If only I hadn't been so sure I could trust the police or my own parents.

Castle your post somewhere earlier today made me wince about not even telling your parents anything because it may break their heart- I'm having a dilemma in my writing as per needing to include them, to inform them, and to blame them. It's crisis causing, gut- wrenching, and ulcer squeezing to continue to not be sure if this experience should be told truthfully. Shouldn't it though? I am such a dog for making them re-live these years again. How did you get strong again? These holidays, and these pages I'm working on are making me come unglued. My folks and I will  never see things peaceful as long as this is still in my present. I know that, and yet, I'm still here. There.

But not to deviate from your intresting quest to find out the most culti of the crew. CEDU should be considered for the Most honorable mention after Synanon. I think of them like the Sutherlands. You might be familiar with Donald from so many roles. But we all know who Jack Baur is. CEDU.



I would definitely not want to be in your position. When you write, it's going to go out into the public sphere, so your parents will  most likely read it There's the dilemma of whether or not you want them to, and if so, should you edit your piece to account for them as part of your audience? Let me just say that I am glad I'm not writing a book about RMA.

I agree, that if you are going to write about this, you have an obligation to be as truthful as possible. A parent might read it who is considering sending their child away. It's too bad (in some ways) that you did not complete the program, because I think that written accounts of the later propheets and the I & Me and Summit would knock people on their asses. I mean, look at how non CEDU people reacted to your detailed account of the truth propheet, and that was the "softest" propheet by far. It only got worse from then on, as you know.

Obviously, I am glad that you didn't have to go through all of the propheets and workshops, but I sure wish someone with as good a memory as yours had, so they could at least tell you about it, and then you could put it in your book.

Maybe this is part of why you are having such a hard time. Your memories of the place are clear, while mine have mostly dissolved away into the ether. Forgetfulness is bliss.

When I was younger, I remember having a rather heated conversation with my mom about RMA. I had just started to come to terms with how fucked up the place was, and I tried to explain to my mom that it was an awful place to send someone, but I couldn't get the words out of my mouth to tell her the kinds of things that happened there. It was so complex and involved. Where would I even start? The conversation ended with her saying "What were we supposed to do?" and me probably saying something along the lines of "Well, it was a fucked up place." and just shrugging my shoulders.

As for blame, I'm willing to give my parents a mulligan on this. Remember that this industry exists to make money, and produce pretty, shiny brochures with happy, smiling faces on them, to con the shit out of nervous parents by promising treatment (by unqualified staff) for valid conditions such as bipolar and depression, and on the other side of it, by warning that typical teenage rebelliousness is pathological. They got suckered. They didn't do it because they wanted to hurt me, or because they hated me, they were just seriously freaked out and incredibly ignorant.

As for why they were one of those parents who believed in solving our problems by sending me elsewhere... well... I think it's a bourgeois thing. I was in a children's home before that. And even before that, my parents were constantly on the precipice of trying to find some place that could handle me. I think it's part of their class' philosophy on childrearing. Pay for a "professional" to handle the job.

I think that the new ad slogan for behavior mod places should be "Is your teenager acting like a teenager? Send them to us."


So.. if CEDU wins second place in the culty awards, do we get anything? Trophy? (::trophy:: ) Ribbon? Tote bag? An I-survived-the-second-cultiest-school-in-the-country-and-all-I-got-was-this-lousy-t-shirt shirt?

Or will we just have to write that with a sharpie pen on our old "Soar Like an Eagle" shirts?

***wonders if anyone still has theirs***
Title: to the contrary, mon frer
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on December 13, 2006, 06:28:50 PM
I graduated. All the bells and whistles and contracts, and fuzz in my teeth a few months before: here check it out: I AM working on those workshops. embarassing but 100% authentic:

The I and Me Workshop
I= Thinking
Me=Feeling
GIVE ME A VOICE!

We did an exercise today on the chairs. I worked a lot on feelings Crazy and Me went really deep into it. Me also feels really proud to make it to this point. I went third so it was really neat to watch other people work. I know Me is ready.

I think Rea is a great man he really touched me. He just did the exercise with himself and me was glad to be a part of it.

I did not think Me would feel good, but he does. He is also very sad about what I did to him.
   Me just got back from spending the night on the floor. Me talked to a buch of people. It was a good time. Me spent time on the floor with REDACTED.
   I am laying down the commitment right Now to go for broke in there. Also to really take advantage of this notebook. I will write a lot. I am not going to give it a number or anything but I will write. I will remember this workshop.

Anyway me is really sad me is just looking at the imagine picture and how innocent me really is a lot of the time I thinks me is bad and Always has been that way.
   Me knows I wants to take over and tell me that Nobody loves me. Me knows this isn?t true. ----good night REDACTED

   Me is in class right now and everyone is going so fast. Me wants to smoosh. He feels sensitive and playful.
I wish I didn?t have to be in class, I makes Me feel stupid in classes.
   Me is in Gopmetry now studying angles and line segments. Me misses smooshing and going slow. I says speed up. Run, run run. Well me says FUCK I.  YAY ME!

Well I am in my next math class and yes I mean I. Me feels fucking dumb. Me dislikes this class. I tells me he can?t do this and to give up. Sometimes Me believes I. Me feels for other people. Me really understands people too,
I hopes people struggle and don?t feel good. I tells Me that he doesn?t care. Me does care.

Dirt List
Give me a voice!
1. I made me make cracks in music with REDACTED and REDACTED.
2. I made me take too much coffee.
3. I listened to too much music on home visit.
4. I listened to 2 grageful dead songs and did not turn it off right away.
5. I did not talk to Randy or Nils on Home Visit.
6. I learned how to play beginning of unaccepable and play it. Make that crack with REDACTED.
7. I talked and passed notes in class with REDACTED. Geometry.
8. I remembers that he set off alarm in Challenge and died not get in trouble for it. Me know this is not true.
9. I wore sunglasses and knew it was wrong.
10. I?s Dorm had lights out late.

2nd I & Me session
Well,
I me we just did the I want to live fight againsht the pillows on a deeper level. Me feels like SHIT. I WON
or at least I tells Me that I won.

I tells me that I is bigger than me. Right Now Me believes it.
I is telling Me to run away.
I is telling Me BE alone.
Me down?t think.
I tells me Me doesn?t know what to do. Me quit.
Or at least I told me he quit.
Me needs to talk to another Me.
I tells me I has BEEN THERE LONGER THAN ME!

I am finishing eating brunch with REDACTED. I is in control there is nothing me can do. I think.
Me is scared. Me doesn?t know kwhat dto do. He is alone. I tells me he is alone. Tells me he is confused. I tells me to be scared. I or Me wants to talk to someone but noone is here that I know. I am even thinking of going to Caroline. Me knows she understands but thinks she doens?t trust or like me.
God I would like to call REDACTED and talk to her. Me knows __would help me. Maybe I would I would be allowed to call.
Me Really sees Rock Bottom and loves what he sees in others But I tells him that it is not inside of him
Randy is here maybe I or ame can go talk to him. I tells me that still NO one can understand.
I says I have always been here been here since you were a little fetus. Your mother made I you were I when mom found out she was pregnant you were a mistake. You should be a girl. You were supposed to be retarded. There is no Me you are I. AND there is not a damn thing you can do. Why do you think Ma did drugs while she was expecting you? Why do you think she wrote that book?
All these people keep going by and touchingme. I says me wishes they would leave me alone. That?s all I want LEAVE me in I. I is all thereI tells me that he doesn?t know what to do.
I tells me that there isn?t anything but I. Me believes it. It is holidays and me is miserable.
Me wonders if anyone understands this. Me feels so alone. I feel like I need a huge enema. {(talk for emotional release)}
-in the living room. (House)
Me still feels like shit. I AM ME I says.
I almost didn?t write. I says me needs help.
Fuck the lingo for a second. I feel so fucked. I don?t know what to do.
I says leave the school, get stoned, you suck at sports, you don?t write neat enough. You won?tbe able to graduate because ou don?t deserve it because you are a fruitcake you can?t be at this school because this is for Me?es. You don?t have a ME. Me DEAD. Me never lived and Me never will.
I has control. He says I?m numb so I am or Me is. I says DON?T look at your Imagine picture so Me doesn?t. NO ONE CAN UNDERSTAND THIS.


That is about the first twenty pages of my IandMe journal. I did it all. and the summit I don't know if i'll include in the book. PM me about that.
Funny you're the second person to indicate to me today that I musnt've graduated. I did. I'm just pissed for DIFFERENT reasons.
One of the funniest things was that my main counselor at the time used to comment: Blown, you are fifteen years old and you hold a grudge longer than anyone I've ever known."
They had fair warning, in all fairness. Even as an older student I did NOT stop bitching about being there, the perceived injustices, and the wrongs that had been done to me there. I ran my anger at Caroline. Frequently. I stayed in agreement, mindfucked myself into the program while resisting it the whole time.
Hadn't you ever noticed that they school always shook up the older students A LOT before the IandME and summit. Kids left under unusal and unexpected circumstances during those periods. It was always mysterious when one of your older brothers got kicked out during an experience you just knew you were going to go through in a year. I mean if you've made it that far, it's gotta be pretty bad.

Fear not Castle, the Iandme is half done, and the John lennon songs play frequently in my head, now, as a result.

That part during "god" when he says "I was the walrus, but now I'm John" makes me moan every time. I'm already in tears at this point, usually. Yes. I did it all, my friend, and I want it all to be as truthful, and accurate as the rest of my bullshit that I've written is. Stick around for a while this time you geek.
one
-blownaway
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: try another castle on December 13, 2006, 08:33:08 PM
Oh, sorry about that. For some reason, when you talked about how you ran away, I thought you never went back.


Jesus fucking christ, reading that I & Me shit is scary. The fact that we had no problems writing like we were completely batshit insane is proof enough that we were at wacky camp.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: try another castle on December 13, 2006, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
You two alone are solid proof that CEDU wins the most culty nutso rama prize.


And for some strange, twisted reason, I take great pride in that.

Do I get my trophy now?  ::trophy::
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: try another castle on December 13, 2006, 11:00:38 PM
perfect. I know right where to put that.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: try another castle on December 13, 2006, 11:18:09 PM
bitterness is fun...


blownaway, I got the trophy first, but you can have visitation rights every other week. I did graduate before you, after all.
Title: lauging again.
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on December 14, 2006, 10:06:03 AM
you are both coo coo for cocoa puffs.
I'm giggling my motherfuckingass off.
while i'm not sure where I would store my trophy, i appreciate the visitation rights offer, i think i'll pass. thanks.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: try another castle on December 14, 2006, 10:36:28 PM
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you are both coo coo for cocoa puffs.


I think waygookin is probably thinking the same thing about us. I mean, you and I did both come from RMA.

Although I was nuts before that.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: iknowcedulies on January 19, 2007, 12:08:49 AM
posting
Title: YAAAAY!
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on January 31, 2007, 05:53:20 PM
WE WON!


I'm going to Hawaii!


YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Thanks for noticing.
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on January 31, 2007, 08:23:09 PM
The rest of the staff and Tessa acted incredibly perturbed with all of us. We were grilled on our attempts to disclose our secrets, and told they were exaggerated and to ?get real?. The staff who was in our group was grilled about his out of wedlock flings. I gulped a stench of acrid sulpher from the desire to hurt as I was again told not to be intellectual; the reason I was a LIAR was because I thought I was so honest. Tessa assured the group that I probably felt worse than everyone there. That was the reason I was being less emotional, she explained. I had a choice now. I could defend myself again and express my satisfaction with my life on the whole before attending RMA and this goddamn rap, or I could admit that I was a liar and that I had made up stuff to cover up WORSE things I had done. I sat there taking the indictments. Evidently, by not being as emotional as everyone else and I was being resistant. It was marvelous how they twisted words. Though the indictments stung, I wasn?t going to go into hysterics. I hadn?t really ever been grilled to the point of explosion yet. I threw an uncomfortable glance to the girl in my peer group with the label SELL OUT, and groaned loudly with dissatisfaction into the middle of the horseshoe.  
It was hard to try to pretend to be upset when I really wasn?t. I mean I was upset because of the situation, not because of the things that I was supposed to be upset about. But I did give it my all in the Truth Propheet rap that night. I got nowhere with it, I think. As much as I yelled and ranted, I was still detached. My disclosures, including the things that hadn?t even happened, and the things I hadn?t ever thought about until this night were put in my face. The music dizzied me and a sickening feeling pervaded in my chest and stomach. I was stupendously embarrassed, confused,  and tired by the end of the rap. I was angry at being called a liar endlessly and mad at myself for not breaking down the way half of the kids had done, thus commuting the amount of time they were yelled at by the group. I started blaming myself for the way I was feeling. I was upset at all the things the peer group said to me in the rap. How they didn?t like me, and agreed with WHATEVER Tessa  or another counselor had put out there, not matter how needsy. So, there we were: all hungry, all upset, even the faculty in my peer group and the older students too. The sun was coming up when rap finally ended and Tessa again reminded us ;that what we put into it would be what we got out of it?. She read about joy and sorrow again and promised us that we were only feeling joy missing at that moment and that the misery we were all feeling was actually perfect. ?You are right where you need to be.?
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: try another castle on January 31, 2007, 09:37:09 PM
Blown, I swear to god, I am going to bean you with a mallard if you keep using pseudonyms for staff.


***gets his duck ready***


Otherwise, spot on, there.  :tup:
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: try another castle on January 31, 2007, 11:42:37 PM
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
This isn't a custody dispute over the trophy is it???


Nah. I just want him to name names. For staff, that is. I mean, I know who he's talking about so far, because we have discussed it, but I think it would help other people. Survivors, and the uninformed. Some of his pseudonyms are easier to decipher than others, granted, but some of these people are in similar positions of authority right now, still doing the same old shit. Also, there is a certain level of satisfaction on seeing the REAL names of the people who did these things to us in the name of "help".

It's not my book, I know. But still. Names, blown.


Also, I lost the trophy. It was on the couch, and I think I accidentally sat on it, and suddenly, it wasn't there anymore.

Stay tuned as events develop.
Title: changing names, naming tactics
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on October 12, 2007, 07:08:30 AM
Quote from: ""try another castle""
Blown, I swear to god, I am going to bean you with a mallard if you keep using pseudonyms for staff.


***gets his duck ready***


Otherwise, spot on, there.  :tup:


Sorry, Castle. Just made things a lot easier for myself the way it is. Hope you and your inanimate fowl can forgive. Ok? can we move on now?
Title: Re: changing names, naming tactics
Post by: try another castle on October 12, 2007, 07:18:48 AM
Quote from: ""blownawaytheidahoway""
Quote from: ""try another castle""
Blown, I swear to god, I am going to bean you with a mallard if you keep using pseudonyms for staff.


***gets his duck ready***


Otherwise, spot on, there.  :tup:

Sorry, Castle. Just made things a lot easier for myself the way it is. Hope you and your inanimate fowl can forgive. Ok? can we move on now?


You are lucky, because your obscenely tardy response came shortly after the duck in question passed on unexpectedly. Pretty fucking tasty, too.

However, once I procure a new one, I shall run amok with my duck and fuck you up.

a fucked-up, run amok, duck-fucker
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on October 12, 2007, 08:12:14 AM
careful dude, i'm gonna bust an octive on your ass in a minute.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: ABOUT TO SNAP on October 30, 2007, 01:01:58 PM
I'd rather hear j. possibly's falsetto to your ugly ass anyday.
Title: Culty
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2007, 12:37:06 AM
Okay, having read that I and me shit, I would have to say that you gentlemen were in a total nuthouse...however...I think Roloff's should at LEAST get an honorable mention for the most culty due to their firm beliefs in separation from family, (a visit at six months, monitored telephone conversations and mail to and FROM the parents).  You got workshops, we got Bible studies, church services, devotions...reprogramming, mind control, brainwashing.  You got journals, we got notebooks to write scriptures over and over and over and over.  And over.  No television, no radio except for Lester's sermons...windows with alarms, fences with barbwire...

Saw somewhere along the way that someone wanted to know who Roloff worked for...none other than himself, I say.  Once he died, he BECAME the golden calf, baby.  While based on Christianity and fundamentalist values, the eager followers quickly elevated the deceased Roloff to sainthood, nay, godhood.  Alas, he was but a man after all, and less godlike, more worm food like.
Title: mob ties?
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2007, 06:00:20 AM
Chuck Diederich founder of Synanon lived in Venice and held meetings in a garage before moving the institution to the old armory on the beach at Santa Monica

http://www.virtualvenice.info/media/actors.htm (http://www.virtualvenice.info/media/actors.htm)

did that dreadful wasserman live in venice at any point or were they introduced?
Title: Cultlike Hell!
Post by: lorrispickelmire on November 27, 2007, 01:32:03 AM
Roloff is not cultlike, it is a cult.  Lester Roloff referred to himself as God's Apostle.  He railed against all things secular as being either communist or of the devil, take your pick.  He ordered fasting, preached that young girls that were molested were at fault because they tempted their abuser, told his followers what to eat, drink, wear, do with their money.  Locked the girls from Rebekah in the church for 3 weeks to keep welfare away from them.  Roloff is not cult-like it is a cult and it is alive and kicking.
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: Che Gookin on November 27, 2007, 05:06:20 PM
Poll worthy thread... coming soon.
Title: Re: Cultlike Hell!
Post by: hurrikayne on November 27, 2007, 11:45:07 PM
Quote from: ""lorrispickelmire""
Roloff is not cultlike, it is a cult.
 Preachin' to the choir, the girls side anyway..., hon.  :)  

I do tend to rant when I'm drinking don't I?
Title: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2008, 07:15:31 AM
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The Cult-like activity is much more significant in the program-parent interaction as the program needs to gain and maintain control over the thinking processes of a grown adult who can walk out at any time. Therefore inmho the most cultlike group is WWASPS using the Gilcrease model seminars.


Not necessarily, they can always boot the parents out if they do walk. But the program keeps the kid.
Title: Re: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: AuntieEm2 on August 25, 2008, 01:34:45 PM
I agree that at least during the time the teen is incarcerated it's the parents who must be a main focus of the cult. They have to be. No brainwashed parent, no money, no teen cash cow, no program. Later, it is the teen who is left with the scars.

But a burning question is: What is the prize?. Discuss.

Auntie Em
Title: Re: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: Che Gookin on September 02, 2008, 10:52:23 AM
You ever donkey punch someone with your monkey's fist?
Title: Re: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: iamartsy on September 02, 2008, 12:47:13 PM
No but had I gotten a one-year I could have used it as a weapon. it had braided strands. by the time I got my one year there was not anyone sober enough to make me one. also I did not tell them it had been a year. Granted  "donkey punch" is not what you might be thinking. Not sure if you meant that in a vulgar way to insult me, but you might want to look that one up.

Moving on now. yes PDAP was early STRAIGHT, INC. We were just more hippieish. but there were inventories after inventories.

Here is the part of the interview that was so true:

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MAN: No. As a matter of fact, we're led to believe that we can't make it without the program, which I think is a- one of the greatest disservices that's done to anybody that goes through the program. Because I think many people who leave, who naturally leave and who could be considered successes of the program, basically fail because the message is there: I cannot succeed without these people and without this program.

Yep, I was told that as I left for college 2000 miles away where there was no PDAP.
Title: Re: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: psy on September 02, 2008, 03:21:22 PM
Quote from: "iamartsy"
No but had I gotten a one-year I could have used it as a weapon. it had braided strands. by the time I got my one year there was not anyone sober enough to make me one. also I did not tell them it had been a year. Granted  "donkey punch" is not what you might be thinking. Not sure if you meant that in a vulgar way to insult me, but you might want to look that one up.

I'm pretty sure he knows what it means, but i'm sure he meant no offense.  He's just pathologically crass like that.  You get used to it.  Everybody around here has at one point in time been offended by him.  I assure you, it's nothing personal.  That being said, he has a good heart if you get to know him... a bit crazy, though.  You should probably brace yourself if you're easily offended.  The above tames in comparison to some of his other forum ... contributions.

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Moving on now. yes PDAP was early STRAIGHT, INC. We were just more hippieish. but there were inventories after inventories.

Here is the part of the interview that was so true:

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MAN: No. As a matter of fact, we're led to believe that we can't make it without the program, which I think is a- one of the greatest disservices that's done to anybody that goes through the program. Because I think many people who leave, who naturally leave and who could be considered successes of the program, basically fail because the message is there: I cannot succeed without these people and without this program.

Yep, I was told that as I left for college 2000 miles away where there was no PDAP.

It definately sounds a lot most of the programs talked about around here, but I could find little mention of it on a seach of Fornits.  My guess is because most discussion about that particular program is probably confined to that site (as discussion about KIDS is mostly confined to their own discussion board).  There is a link to that site from here, (http://http://ontheemmis.com/pathway_s_problematic_preachings) though, so Ginger (who assembled that page) might know more about Meehan.
Title: Re: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: iamartsy on September 02, 2008, 10:34:40 PM
Che,

sorry to come down on you so hard. Yes, I wanted to "donkey punch" someone with my fist, but I did not. I have chronic bronchitis and take codeine cough syrup when it is bad. Because I measured it out at night before I went to bed (there were not 12 hour doses back then), they considered that a slip. I had to give up my fist and start over. It really sucked and confused me for many years. I now know I have to take the stuff or I won't breathe at night. So screw them, my sobriety date is May 18th, 1982 not July 4th. Okay, I drink a little (sip here and there), I am still sober compared to what i did in my youth.

Thanks, and had I gotten my one year it might have been a weapon of sorts. I would not have worn it. It looked goofy.
Title: Re: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: Anonymous Artist on October 07, 2008, 12:04:01 AM
CEDU stands for Charles E. Dedrich University (not See-Do, which is what we had been told as inmates).  Dedrich was the founder of the Church of Synanon: a very famous cult in California.  You can read all about it by doing a Wikipedia search for Synanon.  One of his key hunchbacks, Mel Wasserman, founded CEDU.  I think that's about as close to a cult as an "emotional growth" school can get.  I wouldn't be surprised if the entire CEDU staff had been comprised of Synanon members.

With that being said, I don't feel there's any contest to see who endured the most cult-like abuse.  We were all brutalized, so it doesn't matter whether your school was a 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation CEDU clone.  They're all evil.
Title: Re: Who wins the prize as the most Cult like program?
Post by: Anonymous on November 03, 2008, 10:17:43 PM
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My guess is because most discussion about that particular program is probably confined to that site (as discussion about KIDS is mostly confined to their own discussion board). There is a link to that site from here, though, so Ginger (who assembled that page) might know more about Meehan.
Ginger designed the page on Meehan that is on http://http://ontheemmis.com/pathway_s_problematic_preachings? I am confused. on this point. Please expound. The points made are correct in what I know about Meehan. Many of us were gay, but had to hide it and ended up dating each other. You can imagine where that went.

But yes, we were all in Cult like programs. They all use the same principles, "break you down, and then theoretically build you back up. None of the programs I was in built me back up, and I fight with that to this day.