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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Oz girl on June 30, 2007, 11:49:38 PM
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Many newspaper articles on kids who have been victims of suspension from school over Zero Tolerance technicalities have mentined parents suing because a suspension can apparently effect their otherwise good kid's chances of college choice. How does this work? Can universities access a kids school records? Is entry banned because this may have resulted in a run in with the law? (schools calling cops etc)
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Many newspaper articles on kids who have been victims of suspension from school over Zero Tolerance technicalities have mentined parents suing because a suspension can apparently effect their otherwise good kid's chances of college choice. How does this work? Can universities access a kids school records? Is entry banned because this may have resulted in a run in with the law? (schools calling cops etc)
I personally have never heard of school 'suspensions' interfering with college choice, but perhaps things have changed.
Dunno if college's can access all of a kid's records, but as for any criminal records, those can be sealed when the kid is 18, provided they have fulfilled the obligations of their sentence.
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Isn't the permanent record an urban myth much like the red dye in the swimming pool?
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US Public schools are institutions of education and bastions of freedom. Koolaid flows from the water fountains and the kids sing songs as they dance from class to class, nothing to see here.
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Zero tolerance is a policy of expulsion. Any type of weapon or drug is what is supposed to include. Some kids have been caught up in this "Zero tolerance" policy for very benign "weapons" and small amounts of pot and so that's why their parents are mad, where do they send their kid after that? Tranquility Bay?
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Well I guess I sort of agree with a Zero Tolerance policy for weapons in school. Not pocket knives, but actual serious blades and firearms of any sort.
Definitely having kids getting in trouble over retarded crap like a swiss army knife seems stupid. If I was a teacher the most I'd do if I saw one would be to take it and tell the kid to come pick it up after school and to please leave it at home in the future.
Comes down to the core problems with American public schools or any school for that matter. With schools being so damn boring what motivates kids to actually want to learn?
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It can bring down GPA's and in some cases cause kids to repeat the same grade. You don't get to make up work missed while suspended and for very competitive students or those barley making it it can be a killer. In the south they love to use this fear of GPA loss due to suspension to get kids to agree to a paddling instead of suspension, perverts if you ask me.
I've never seen a successful zero tolerance lawsuit but many people are starting to curse the policies and some districts are changing policies.
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Christ I'm glad I'm not a teacher in the US.
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With schools being so damn boring what motivates kids to actually want to learn
I have thought long and hard about this statement. I'm not sure I agree with you. My kids went to the same school district that hubby and I attended. I'm pretty sure that school has not changed that much. We sat in desks. We attended lectures. We read from text books. We did our homework and jumped through the hoops. And yet it is true that my kids were bored by the whole process. I don't recall being bored by school. I can't say that I relished the experience ... but bored was not a part of my vocabulary in reference to school. In fact ... it was not really a part of my vocabulary in reference to life.
So ... I have to wonder if kids being bored by the 'traditional' educational process is more about the kids. More specifically I wonder if the electronic era has left our kids bored with most everything. With work ... with school ... with free time. My kids grew up in an age where a screen entertained them ... alot. Whether that was a video ... tv ... or computer screen. And when it came time for them to sit down and read a text book it was admittedly ... boring.
I know this is a little off subject ... but this topic really interests me.
As far as the zero tolerance policy goes ... I have to agree with it. The school system has become by and large a day care institution. They have become a social work agency. They have become sex educators. They have become our cultures faux family. They shouldn't become juvenile detention centers as well.
If kids want to come to school and pursue education ... great. If they want to carry weapons, deal drugs and disrupt the educational process for others they need to go hang out on the streets.
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I would agree if the kid is actually carrying a weapon, dealing an illegal drug or severely violent but consider this
Since the columbine shootings
-19 states have made it so that a kid can be expelled for being disruptive in class
-23 states expel can kids for fighting
-12 states can expell kids for "making threats" even if they are in jest.
-Earlier thisyear a 6 year old was cuffed by cops and taken to the police station for having a tantrum (article posted somewhere in the free for all section)
i refer you to the following articles & websites
http://www.ztnightmares.com (http://www.ztnightmares.com)
http://archive.salon.com/mwt/feature/20 ... tolerance/ (http://archive.salon.com/mwt/feature/2001/08/29/zero_tolerance/)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249868/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19249868/)
it is good to note the tide is beginning to turn against this ridiculous policy. But kids deserve to also learn about punishments fitting the crime and should ultimately be able to take a headache pill, carry butter knives for lunch and drive their cars without having to worry about being pulled over in case there is a long forgotten pair of scissors under the seat. they should certainly be able to talk about weapons without being in trouble.
Perhaps kids hate school not because it is boring but because it is terrifying. Drawing phallic symbols should be met with a roll of the eye. Class clowns and smart alecks are not criminals. They have the right to grow up in peace
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I work as a HS Vice Principal-and I see a lot of kids with really serious behavior problems, so I though I'd check to see just what all the fuss about programs, etc. was all about. I have to say-if half of what people are saying is true, then the program owners and parents who send kids there should be convicted and sentenced to long terms for child abuse and conspiracy. Or worse. I have gang members I have to deal with who don't deserve what I've heard about places such as Thayer or Tranquility Bay! I'm retiring in a few years, and if ever there was a cause worth getting involved in, this is it! I've spent my life trying to work with kids-I can't see my stopping now.
Anyway, as to permanent record-colleges are now requesting the student's discipline records as part of the admission package-and refusing to consider them without it, or a statement from me (or my equivilent numbers in other districts) that there isn't one. They are getting skittish about possible troublemakers on campus, date rape, assault, athletes running wild, etc. So yes, we have to keep discipline records permenently now. And transfer them with the student if he goes to another school.
Carter
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I work as a HS Vice Principal-and I see a lot of kids with really serious behavior problems, so I though I'd check to see just what all the fuss about programs, etc. was all about. I have to say-if half of what people are saying is true, then the program owners and parents who send kids there should be convicted and sentenced to long terms for child abuse and conspiracy. Or worse. I have gang members I have to deal with who don't deserve what I've heard about places such as Thayer or Tranquility Bay! I'm retiring in a few years, and if ever there was a cause worth getting involved in, this is it! I've spent my life trying to work with kids-I can't see my stopping now.
I hope you're sincere. We could use your help.
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I work as a HS Vice Principal-and I see a lot of kids with really serious behavior problems, so I though I'd check to see just what all the fuss about programs, etc. was all about. I have to say-if half of what people are saying is true, then the program owners and parents who send kids there should be convicted and sentenced to long terms for child abuse and conspiracy. Or worse. I have gang members I have to deal with who don't deserve what I've heard about places such as Thayer or Tranquility Bay! I'm retiring in a few years, and if ever there was a cause worth getting involved in, this is it! I've spent my life trying to work with kids-I can't see my stopping now.
Anyway, as to permanent record-colleges are now requesting the student's discipline records as part of the admission package-and refusing to consider them without it, or a statement from me (or my equivilent numbers in other districts) that there isn't one. They are getting skittish about possible troublemakers on campus, date rape, assault, athletes running wild, etc. So yes, we have to keep discipline records permenently now. And transfer them with the student if he goes to another school.
Carter
Mr Carter, I can't believe you posted here!! Everybody, this is MY OLD HIGH school principal, what the chances!! Mr Carter -- how are you doing, hows the school doing? I'm sorry I was causing trouble and got kicked out to TB but at least you believed us when we got back and told you !
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I personally have never heard of school 'suspensions' interfering with college choice, but perhaps things have changed.
Dunno if college's can access all of a kid's records, but as for any criminal records, those can be sealed when the kid is 18, provided they have fulfilled the obligations of their sentence.
Think again. In our local school district, Zero Tolerance means a kid can be suspended and transferred to an alternative (loser) school for the rest of the semester for anything that violates the school drug & weapons policy. Obviously this affects a student's GPA, what courses are available for them to take, what semester or year they will graduate...so yes, it affects their college options.
Some parents will say "that makes sense...keep the schools safe." Except that a Bic lighter is considered a "weapon," as is any sort of blade, including the one on a nail clipper (just like at the airport). Drugs? Not just the obvious ones, but things like Tylenol, Midol or any sort of OTC medication.
Zero Tolerance is just one of the dumber examples of the miserable failure of the War on Drugs, better known as the War on Teens.
As for permanent records being expunged after age 18, it's not that simple. I seriously doubt any record can disappear forever, although some records can become more difficult to access. My kid had his juvenile court record expunged after he turned 18, but guess what? The thing he most wanted to make disappear still shows up on his DMV record, for all insurance companies to see. It will stay there for 4 years, just like a traffic ticket would. So what good was the expunging? BTW, the incident had nothing to do with driving. In my state, any juvenile criminal offense is automatically attached to a minor driver's DMV record, and it doesn't just go away when he/she turns 18 -- regardless of what the courts do or don't do with those juvenile records.
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Nail, hammer, etc.. Agree with ^.
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It's my understanding that the records don't follow from middle school, once in high school, they will follow to college. Bummer.
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Kids have been expelled for toys guns, scissors, aspirin, etc.
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I foresee parent or student lawsuits for defamation about incidents in permanent records.
See, the record doesn't affect the kid financially in junior high or high school. There were no actual damages the way it used to be done, so allegations in the permanent record were not actionable even if they were false. No damages = no actionable defamation.
Now, if colleges insist on seeing the permanent record, then any false accusations in it are defamations with actual damages. Since the kid is not a public figure, it's enough that the charges are false--the kid doesn't have to prove intent to defame and either knowledge of falsity or reckless disregard for the truth. Falsity is enough.
In a defamation case, the burden of proof is not going to be on the student to prove the allegation is false. It's a bad statement about the kid by the school or school personnel, and it causes actual damages.
This makes it defamation under the law.
Truth is what's called an "affirmative defense" against defamation.
What it means is the defendant says, "I did say bad things about the plaintiff that caused him actual damages, but what I said was true."
The burden of proof to show that the defamatory statements were true is on the defendant--in this case the school.
The school can legally say, "We suspended Joe Schmoe Kid on such and such a date" or, "We gave Joe detention on such and such a date."
If they say why they suspended or gave Joe detention, unless they can prove it in a court of law, they have a big risk of Joe winning. The school districts will definitely spend a lot of money defending against defamation suits when Joe's family has deep pockets, because the very fact that Joe isn't a public figure has been defamed (whether true or not), and has actual damages, makes his lawsuit have enough merit to go to trial. His parents won't have to worry about having to pay the school district's legal fees.
Also, based on the history of employment law lawsuits--which you better believe plaintiffs' lawyers will file as briefs with the judge--districts will have a great deal of liability just for saying Joe was suspended or given detention.
That's why employers only give dates of employment now when called for references.
It won't be enough for colleges to insist the student give a waiver on the permanent record's release to be considered. The school will then have liability because the kid will have actual damages for the permanent record being on file whether the school releases it or not.
What will happen, at minimum, is that permanent records will become like credit ratings only more so. If the parents or kid can credibly demonstrate that the allegation may be false, the school better delete the information from the kid's record.
More likely, almost all districts will have a policy of destroying all permanent records--if only in the form of expunging everything.
Translation: "Here's Joe's permanent record like you requested. No, there's nothing in it, nothing at all."
Colleges won't have a leg to stand on to complain to the school about negative material simply being deleted from the record. They insisted on getting the record, they got it.
Sure, this is not the situation as it stands now, but correction of this particular problem is only a handful of high profile lawsuits away.
I am not a lawyer, this is not specific legal advice to anybody.
However, based on my amateur knowledge of slander and libel laws, the bad idea of students' permanent records following them to college will die horribly as soon as it starts being challenged in court.
Let me put it another way. I am not a lawyer, but I would love to be the plaintiff's lawyer for Johnny Haaahvahd or Jenny Yale when a couple of these cases get into court. Big money.
I'm pretty surprised that school districts' legal departments aren't all over this like white on rice already--and I'd bet that some are. I'd bet a lot of districts are just quietly going through seniors' permanent records around September and deleting, deleting, deleting before the kids start getting their college applications in. Or deleting everything when the kids first go through the school counselors for the application process, maybe depending on whether the places the kid's applying to are known to ask for records.
You'll also get parents' lawyers requesting copies of student files from the district (and getting them) and requesting the removal of uncomplimentary material (and getting it).
Julie
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Our kid (elementary age) had a nightmare principal this year. There is no telling what the b*tch put in her file. Considering the outright dishonesty we caught the woman in, and her maliciousness, I wouldn't put it past her to have made up stuff out of whole cloth. Katie didn't have any disciplinary events beyond a teacher's "don't do that", and never has, but I still wouldn't have put it past that woman to have just made stuff up.
In case you couldn't tell, my husband and I have a very low opinion of her--with a pretty harsh paper trail against the school to back up why.
Getting a copy of all the records is one of the "to do's" on our list, and for other related issues we've already talked to lawyers. It was that bad. I never ran into anything anywhere near that when I was going through school, and I didn't exactly have an easy childhood.
From stories I heard from a few friends in college about principals they'd had--I remember one charmer that actually kept gossip and blackmail files on all the kids in his school--I expect a lot of lawsuits with merit.
The Vice Principal above sounds ultra ethical, but not all administrators share that trait.
As I said, I'd love to be a trial lawyer for the plaintiffs in some of these cases--if I were a lawyer.
Money, money, money.
Hell, with the right case, after the courts got through with it, the kid might not even need to go to college.
Julie
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Our kid (elementary age) had a nightmare principal this year. There is no telling what the b*tch put in her file. Considering the outright dishonesty we caught the woman in, and her maliciousness, I wouldn't put it past her to have made up stuff out of whole cloth. Katie didn't have any disciplinary events beyond a teacher's "don't do that", and never has, but I still wouldn't have put it past that woman to have just made stuff up.
In case you couldn't tell, my husband and I have a very low opinion of her--with a pretty harsh paper trail against the school to back up why.
Getting a copy of all the records is one of the "to do's" on our list, and for other related issues we've already talked to lawyers. It was that bad. I never ran into anything anywhere near that when I was going through school, and I didn't exactly have an easy childhood.
From stories I heard from a few friends in college about principals they'd had--I remember one charmer that actually kept gossip and blackmail files on all the kids in his school--I expect a lot of lawsuits with merit.
The Vice Principal above sounds ultra ethical, but not all administrators share that trait.
As I said, I'd love to be a trial lawyer for the plaintiffs in some of these cases--if I were a lawyer.
Money, money, money.
Hell, with the right case, after the courts got through with it, the kid might not even need to go to college.
Julie
Thank you for the compliment Julie-I like to think I'm ethical-but that doesn't mean I'm a pushover-I do what I have to do. Sending a kid to a program certainly isn't one of them! I can't believe some of the things I've read in the last two weeks or so.
As far as getting kid's records-you have an absolute right to them, as does your kid if he/she is 18. Just ask, if that doesn't work-demand them! You may have to pay for the copies, but in my case, I just ask my secretary to Xerox them and GIVE them to the requesting parent. If they want to talk about them, I'm always willing to do so. But I won't remove any referral form that has been properly entered and shown to be true. Fighting, class cuts, insubordination (refusing to follow legitimate instructions from a staff member), leaving school property (we are responsible, remember) or vandalism-why should they be removed? Each referral is signed by the staff member witnessing the behavior, and then signed by ME when I assess the consequence. They are also timed and dated. Could we be sued? Probably, but I've refused several requests from irate parents whose little darlings NEVER do anything wrong.
By the way, to the person who thinks I was his former principal-unless you're located on the Jersey Shore, it's unlikely. Especially since Carter is my first name, not my surname. But it's a nice thought, and you must have gotten along with him since you didn't curse me out-so you can't have caused that much trouble. Especially not enough to deserve whatever it is you went through. What's funny is I actually get along better with some of my more troubled students-they come to my office just to talk when they feel about to blow. I can always find a few minutes for them to come in and cool down. Some of the teachers think I'm too easy and not punitive enough in those cases but tough! I'm there for the kids first and them second.
Carter
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Coach Carter Dat you holmes??
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If I forget to take my knife out of the pocket (I use one at my work to cut wires.) before I goes into town, I could end up in jail, if I enter one of our body search zones made by the police.
They are typically places in the city centers near discos and bars. In side these zones the police can search everybody they like without reason.
The reason for for suchs zone are that the high part of the relatively few murders (About 50-75 homicides per year.) are done in such environments.
In relationship with schools I find expulsion and suspension damanging for the child and also for the local neighborhood, because the children are often hanging around in the streets during the period.
In Denmark we are discussing a day-treatment program, which aims at keeping the children in school at all cost. Here is a link to the proposed program: The RRN-program (http://http://www.retsreformnu.dk/Retsreform/rrn_usversion.htm).
We have to ask ourselves. What if a parent had committed the specific rule-violation? What would the punishment be?
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What if a parent had committed the specific rule-violation? What would the punishment be?
The laws regarding prohibitions in school zones or "school safety zones" apply to everyone. If I have a pack of cigarettes in my car when I drive my kid to school, I have committed a petty offense as soon as my car enters that zone. If I have a weapon in my car -- like my butane lighter or any sort of blade, I have committed a much more serious offense.
The concept of extra penalties within school zones has gotten way out of hand in some U.S. communities, and some of the more ridiculous cases have been challenged in court. By "ridiculous," I mean cases where the laws are such that nearly the entire town falls within one school zone or another -- where, for example, a person could be arrested for smoking pot in his own home, and be facing much stiffer penalties because his home happens to be within 1000 feet of the nearest school or public park.
What started as a concept of keeping schools safer has, in some communities, become an excuse for making the penalties for drug or weapons violations much stiffer for the entire community.
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‘I Love Alex’ earns girl 4-month suspension (http://http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19652719/)
The Associated Press
KATY, Texas - Writing “I love Alex” on a school gymnasium wall brought a 12-year-old the same punishment as if she had made terrorist threats.
The Katy Independent School District rated the message, written with a baby blue marker by sixth-grader Shelby Sendelbach, as a Level 4 infraction — the same as for threats, drug possession and assault.
Only murder, gun possession, sexual assault and arson are considered more severe by the suburban Houston district.
For her punishment, Shelby was assigned to an alternative school from Aug. 27 through Dec. 21.
Just following the rules
School district spokesman Steve Stanford said the district was just following a state law, saying it requires assignment to an alternative school for graffiti.
Her parents have appealed and a hearing is set for this month. Lisa and Stu Sendelbach said they don’t condone what Shelby did but think the punishment is overly harsh.
“We are shocked that the school district rules as they are written make no distinction between what Shelby is accused of and what a gang member does with a can of black spray paint,” Stu Sendelbach said.
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That's because the assholes running the school districts think they are their own personal government, and have a slew of lawyers to threaten parents. As I said in either this post or another, (paraphrasing myself, ha ha) "the school district sent me a letter telling me that they would be charging me $35.00 for each day my daughter missed that wasn't an "excused" absence". Screw the school district!
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Has anyone considered just how intolerant the baby-boomer generation is? Give em some drugs to lighten up! Those anti-depressants mom and dad are on are worthless. Some ginja would be way better as a mood enhancer. Put on some Eagles. ROlling Stones. Maybe they will remember how to rock and roll? Recapture their own youth?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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‘I Love Alex’ earns girl 4-month suspension (http://http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19652719/)
The Associated Press
KATY, Texas - Writing “I love Alex” on a school gymnasium wall brought a 12-year-old the same punishment as if she had made terrorist threats.
The Katy Independent School District rated the message, written with a baby blue marker by sixth-grader Shelby Sendelbach, as a Level 4 infraction — the same as for threats, drug possession and assault.
Only murder, gun possession, sexual assault and arson are considered more severe by the suburban Houston district.
For her punishment, Shelby was assigned to an alternative school from Aug. 27 through Dec. 21.
Just following the rules
School district spokesman Steve Stanford said the district was just following a state law, saying it requires assignment to an alternative school for graffiti.
Her parents have appealed and a hearing is set for this month. Lisa and Stu Sendelbach said they don’t condone what Shelby did but think the punishment is overly harsh.
“We are shocked that the school district rules as they are written make no distinction between what Shelby is accused of and what a gang member does with a can of black spray paint,” Stu Sendelbach said.
That is crazy. Whatever happend to making people wash the walls? Its getting out of hand.
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That's because the assholes running the school districts think they are their own personal government, and have a slew of lawyers to threaten parents. As I said in either this post or another, (paraphrasing myself, ha ha) "the school district sent me a letter telling me that they would be charging me $35.00 for each day my daughter missed that wasn't an "excused" absence". Screw the school district!
I had something similar occur. A school counselor once told me I had best withdraw my troublesome daughter from school; b/c the state had a law that would fine me 250.00 for each cutting episode and there was also a risk of jail time if I didn't get her in school everyday.
There is a law that will jail parents for their child's truancy - but it wouldn't be applied to a parent who had done everything possible to enforce school attendance.
The fine was totally bogus. The bitch was just trying to intimidate me into pulling my child from school so she wouldn't have to deal with her. I called the state capitol's legislative research department, and they could find no such law. I spoke with the state department of education and they knew of no such law. I called a couple branches of media, and ask if anyone there knew about any such law - on the books or being debated - and the answer was no.
So, I had the satisfaction of sitting across from this lazy, conniving bitch, and justifiably calling her a liar, in front of the school vice principal, several teachers, a parent advocate and my daughter's therapist. It was most gratifying.
My son was also once expelled for graffiti. On the last day of school; the very day his grand pa died; he got caught tagging the bath room wall. I fought that as well, arguing common sense for the most part, and did manage to get him reinstated - but it was no easy feat; and the fact is, it never should have been such a major issue.
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And can't being labeled a truant get a kid locked up in a state run program?
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The bitch was just trying to intimidate me into pulling my child from school
And you would want your kid in this system because... :-? :question:
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Looking back, I have some regrets, and will admit that things might have gone better, had I dropped her out and let her take the GED. At the time, dropping her out seemed unthinkable. But the point is, she was entitled by federal law to a free public education; and no member of a public school staff has any business trying to force a child out of the school system - and especially not just b/c they are to lazy to do their job - and especially not by telling blatant lies to intimidate a parent. And I very strongly suspect our case was by no means isolated.
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My oldest son had a teacher in 1st or 2nd grade -- it's been so long ago I forget which -- who seemed to have decided on her own that my son had ADHD and should be tested to confirm it. I was pissed that a teacher with no psychology or medical credentials would presume to diagnose my kid. But my wife, being the 'concerned mom,' took him to a child psychologist, who concluded that he was not ADD or ADHD -- just bright, curious, playful and energetic.
The teacher was even more pissed when we told her those results and informed her that he would not be taking any drugs to take care of his so-called classroom behavior problems. My attitude was basically "why don't you just do your fucking job and teach him, so he isn't bored and looking for things to do?"
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Just saw this post and wanted to chime in.
We had the same thing happen with our son, although it turned out he was adhd and odd, however, we didn't put him on the meds immediately, then we took him off. One day the teacher called and demanded I come to school and give him a pill. By law, she cannot ask him if he took a pill or not, which she did. Could have had her ass in a sling. I basically told her where to put it. Teachers don't want to teach anymore, they'd prefer a bunch of drugged out, lifeless kids, so life would be easy for them. Get another profession assholes.
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Back to Zero Tolerance and the inequity of drug-free school zones with harsher penalties. A very recent article in the Palm Beach Post discussed the racial injustice of these laws. In Palm Beach county, blacks are serving longer sentences than whites for drug offenses, based simply on where they live -- a direct result of 1,000 foot drug-free school zones that cover huge geographic areas that tend to be more populated with blacks than with whites.
Here's the link:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/c ... _0701.html (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/local_news/epaper/2007/07/01/s1a_SWC_1000_FOOT_MAIN_0701.html)
Take a look at this map and you might get the idea that these laws have little to do with protecting school children and everything to do with cracking down on minorities and lower income citizens.
(http://http://img.coxnewsweb.com/C/03/12/57/image_5557123.jpg)
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Does this mean I am breaking the law when I drive my kid to school with perscription drugs in my purse? Kids can't even have an aspirin on them without getting suspended for a Zero Tolerance violation.
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Does this mean I am breaking the law when I drive my kid to school with perscription drugs in my purse? Kids can't even have an aspirin on them without getting suspended for a Zero Tolerance violation.
Check your local laws, because the answer might really be "yes." I know for a fact that I would be breaking the law here if I have a pack of cigarettes on me when I enter a school zone.
AFAIK, no city or state makes a legal distinction between "on campus" and "within a school zone" -- they are one and the same. As far as the extra penalties for drug & weapons violations are concerned, anyone in those orange areas on the W. Palm Beach or Delray Beach maps is essentially "at school" when they commit an offense.
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Thanks 7s punk. That was actually really useful. I take it from yuor suggestion the areas highlighted are less then well to do?
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Thanks 7s punk. That was actually really useful. I take it from yuor suggestion the areas highlighted are less then well to do?
Not all of the highlighted areas are less than well to do. But the point is that the inner city areas -- which are poorer and have higher minority populations -- are basically 100% covered by overlapping school zones, while the wealthier suburbs are not nearly so covered. So a black man getting popped for drugs in his own neighborhood is doubly screwed by the extra 'school zone' sentencing just because of where he lives, while a white man in the suburbs has a much greater chance of not being in a school zone when he gets popped for the same offense.
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I got expelled for razor blades. They said it was to cut people's faces. But I said it was to cut yay and they said it didn't matter.