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Tacitus' Realm / Why jail for runaways?
« on: November 16, 2006, 10:10:33 PM »
I went to an adult rehab in the early '90s and I swear that Dr. Phil has the exact same kind of Southern accent as the medical director there. That medical director was the same kind of phoney too.

The Troubled Teen Industry / Teen Challenge
« on: September 15, 2006, 05:11:41 PM »
Quote from: ""BuzzKill""
Teen Challenge is different from the typical teen program, in that the kids must enter willingly. There is an application process the teen must take part in. As for the religious aspects it is very much a Christian centered program, but the teens know that going in, and must have a statement of faith to be admitted - so its not like they are forcing religion on the kids. This is how they are supposed to operate anyway. I wouldn't be to shocked to hear some chapters break the rules; and not at all surprised to learn there is rampant corruption in the leadership.

I have not heard of a case where anyone wanted to leave and had a hard time; but that would be my greatest concern. It seems like an idea environment for developing cult like practices.

I don't think I would call them Heretics. . .

As far as I know, they have a pretty sound interpretation of the gospels - although I have herd they can be very legalistic in their  interpretations. Somewhat like the churches of Christ. They may be something akin to a Sect - but that wouldn't make them heretics.

Weather it is a good or bad situation for a drug addled teen probably depends on many varied particulars. Teen Challenge itself varies from Chapter to Chapter; and of corse the kids varrie in unlimited ways. I can imagine scenarios where it is very helpful; or devastating.  

"Willing" is a relative term. Some programs that aren't lockdown urge parents to throw their kid out of the house if he doesn't agree to enter the program or tries to leave. (Hyde's famous for this BTW.) Unless you're willing to live as a homeless person it ain't much of a free choice.

The Troubled Teen Industry / legal issues and the industry
« on: September 10, 2006, 04:14:11 PM »
Quote from: ""AtomicAnt""
So the JJ was set up to allow a Judge to step in when needed, in a quick and paternalistic way, to act in the best interests of the child. Thus technically, a child cannot commit a crime, but instead can be delinquent. They are not arrested, they are apprehended. They are not tried, but there is a hearing. They are not sentenced, they are adjudicated. In exchange for this protection, children give up their right to trial. The rules of evidence are greatly relaxed and Judges are given great leeway in their role. A Judge in JJ only need find that the child requires an intervention, not that the child was proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be guilty of a particular crime. Further, the stated guidelines are that the adjudication is to be the least physically restrictive, and for the shortest possible duration, with rehabilitation as the goal. Incarceration is only to be used in cases where the minor is a threat to society or him/her self and once again, the least restrictive and shortest duration rules are to apply.

Many States are throwing this out of the window by defining terms under which a minor can be charged and tried as an adult. Tough-on-crime advocates say that kids know the difference between between right and wrong and should be held accountable. The critics argue that while the child might know right from wrong, they are not old enough and sophisticated enough to conduct a proper defense under the complex adult legal system and so they end up getting screwed.

The states haven't gotten rid of the juvenile justice system at all. They've ADDED a new alternative procedure for trial as an adult. The DA gets to pick whichever system will yield the most punitive result.

Hyde Schools / WARNING! This website presents distorted perspectives of ob
« on: September 07, 2006, 11:53:48 AM »
I was just surfin' around and found this
Dosen't this sound like most of the pro-Hyde posts (and it has nothing to do with programs)?

The Troubled Teen Industry / HR 1258 TREAT America Act of 2005
« on: August 29, 2006, 02:37:32 PM »
I got involved in both AA and NA in the early '90s after a 28 day "rehab" stint. Yes I was pressured into it. One thing that I noticed when I attended an NA  "group concience" (boring business meeting where the real decisions get made) was that everyone who showed up (except me) was either a treatment center employee or a state corrections department employee.

Hyde Schools / Character First: The Hyde School Way and Why It Works
« on: August 25, 2006, 04:28:25 PM »
Quote from: ""Eudora""
Aw hell!

The Culture War Continues
A controversial character-training program was pulled from a state bill, yes. But now Broward County has to deal with it.
By Bob Norman
Article Published Apr 15, 1999

Google character first jeb bush gothard

What we have here is the culmination and fruition of all those manic, Twilight Zone "take over the world" raps.

Eudora, you're confusing Bill Gotherd's Character First! program with the title of Joe Gauld's book. Joe DOES want to export his program to the public schools (and he has a few inner-city charter schools) but he WISHES he had the influence of Bill Gotherd or for that matter Mel and Betty Sembler!

Hyde Schools / hyde is great
« on: August 25, 2006, 04:18:11 PM »
Ms. Lewis was shown a Potemkin village version of work crew. The real thing involved someone being forced to spend a month or so digging his own grave and filling it back in again repeatedly. Or if the ground was too frozen for that, carrying great big logs back and forth between two piles.

Hyde Schools / FLCs, Family Weekends and Regional Meetings
« on: August 25, 2006, 04:08:25 PM »
Weren't the parent seminars also pitches for donations as well?

Hyde Schools / Character First: The Hyde School Way and Why It Works
« on: August 25, 2006, 03:52:32 PM »
Sorry, that last post was me. forgot to log in.

Hyde Schools / Character First: The Hyde School Way and Why It Works
« on: August 23, 2006, 03:21:05 PM »
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
The more I read and hear about this guy, the more he seems like Miller Newton.


Ditto that. The more I read about Mr. Newton and his personality, the more I think about Joe Gauld. The main difference between Hyde and Straight, Inc. is that Hyde doesn't try to prevent anyone from escaping. Instead, they urge your parents to throw you out on the street if you don't buy into the Hyde cult. Sort of like what the WWASP people call an "exit plan".

Tacitus' Realm / drug use among teens
« on: August 09, 2006, 03:49:47 PM »
Mike Males has been saying this for quite some time. His website is worth a look.
I particularly recomend his book Scapegoat Generation.

Hyde Schools / SURVEY on the experiences of parents, kids and staff
« on: July 25, 2006, 12:42:12 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
What do you mean " these facilities"  Hyde is a secondary school, not one of the private lockups your parents sent you to.

You are correct. Hyde doesn't lock people up. They use the "toughlove" extortion - parents are told to throw their kid out on the street if they don't like Hyde.

Hyde Schools / SURVEY on the experiences of parents, kids and staff
« on: July 25, 2006, 12:25:07 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
You have a kid that smokes a little dope and tell people to fuck off. Parents send the kid to Hyde.  That does not make Hyde a treatment facility.

That's exactly the level of "addiction" that most people who get sent to "treatment" are at BTW.

Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: ""Guest""

You are my new hero.  :) The reconciliation part reminds me of how so many kids were writing letters non stop to their parents at the program I was at saying how they were being treated, and how it was nothing like they said it would be, etc. The parents always wrote back to shut up and graduate basically and they can't be manipulated. Guess that can work both ways!

Actually, they plan on filing a lawsuit against ME!  They went to some shyster lawyer who found an obscure case that held that children flourish best when they have contact with grandparants and other family members (CONTACT WITH FAMILY MEMBERS???  WHO ARE THEY KIDDING?) so they are going to file suit to require me to let them visit and such with him.  Over my freaking dead body!  I may have to prove they are unfit based on their treatment of me in order to keep them out of our lives.  Funny, I thought conservatives believed that parents knew best how to raise their kids.  Guess that was ok when mine sent me off to be tortured into compliance, but not for me when I want to keep my kids away from someone who would do that.  The corporation I work for has outlets overseas-and if I have to I'll ask for a transfer to one of them in a country where the laws are different (worked for WWASPS for a while, didn't it?) and stay there till they're dead of old age.  They will have no contact with my kids! :flame:

You would't have to leave the country. There are several states that have court precedents that specifically state that grandparents have no visitation rights.

News Items / Re: Latest scoop
« on: July 14, 2006, 02:06:56 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Aaaah, wonderful what the media see as success
The latest on CTV is that "8 addicted kids have been apprehended and placed into treatment".

Well, let's see.  How "addicted" are they?

Kid #1:
clean for several months, but not living at home.  In fact, living with her boyfriend under roof of the boyfriend with his parents.  Moreover,  has a job and doing quite well in Edmonton, thank you very much.  
So why was she apprehended?  Because her parents were vindictive, that's why.
Moreover, the system is so screwed up that when it came time for review, the judge would not let her go because her parents were not there to give evidence.  
Is she pissed off, or what?
And do you think her parents can ever be forgiven for their stupidity?

Got a link to that?

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