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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: ? is Abuse in the Troubled Teen Industry
« on: September 24, 2010, 09:34:26 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Whooter thinks having an abuse hotline in programs is a bad idea because the hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids.

Anne you admitted yourself here on fornits, many times, that programs are helpful in most cases and that you had embellished many of the events that you claim occurred inside the program.



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If I remember correctly Anne was in Straight Inc., which was definitely NOT helpful in most cases.  And, having been in a nearly identical spinoff program I find it hard to believe that she needed to embellish anything.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: ? is Abuse in the Troubled Teen Industry
« on: September 23, 2010, 04:21:42 PM »
It is a closed environment completely cut off from the outside world ( the one I was in, at least ).  No talking to non-indoctrinated people. No privacy, at all.  This is abusive to a developing teen, who in most cases has not been convicted of any crime.  The law has not caught up with science in this area.  It is possible to cause MASSIVE psychological damage to a person at this fragile stage of development, which is why only licensed psychologists should be able to provide this kind of therapy.  This kind of damage would be invisible to any patrol officer.  Also, much of the physical abuse takes place in small rooms with limited people involved, who are all indoctrinated into the program, by the time the police showed up there would be no evidence or (willing) witnesses.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Name One Good Program
« on: September 23, 2010, 03:55:43 PM »
Quote from: "Maximilian"
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
Psychologically, there is a HUGE difference between a program you have chosen, as an adult, to enter, and a program that your parents or other authority  chose for you against your will, from which there is no escape.
This is the main reason why, I believe, adult programs can be effective and teen programs generally are not.  Even when they succeed, the kid ends up like Max, no individuality, no mind of their own.


So you must be aware that the admin of this forum did exactly what you described, entered an adult program of their own choosing and signed themselves in as an adult. It's good to see you have decided for Psy that his programs was effective, and the one's for teens are not. Lucky for us we have people like you who can make that distinction for everyone else. Guess we'll have to find a new admin then, right? Because according to the great wisdom of ShadyAcres, Psy went to an effective program, and all of us who had good experiences in a program as teens must be full of it.

Max, I said I BELIEVE they CAN be effective, I did not say they ARE effective.  I have been in both, graduating from the adult rehab.  Though I don't consider it effective, it could have been, no program will work until the subject wants it to.

Talking about no individuality or mind of their own, welcome to fornits. The reason I am so hated here is precisely because I have a mind of my own, and have the ability to come to my own conclusions on my experience in the program. Most posters here mold their own beliefs to fit in with the group, so much for individuality.

Look. You are probably white, is that right? You also probably come from a relatively well off family, if they could afford to send you to a program. Have you noticed there aren't a lot of kids who were sent to juvenile hall and abused by guards posting here? It seems to be mostly limited to rich white kids, who are in a desperate need of something to blame why their life turned out the way it did. So you can throw a pity party here, and some of the resident victims might even agree with you, and support you in your quest to find something to blame. But in the end of the day, the truth is that you can't let go of your anger because you aren't really angry at the program, or your parents, or society. You are angry at yourself, for getting yourself into a situation that you couldn't handle. Be honest, did you cry yourself to sleep at the program the first night?

For the record, we had been middle class until the divorce, Mom put the program on Dad's insurance.  I had nothing to do with causing the situation I was in, which you know nothing about.  And I spent my first night at LIFE bruised and bloody and worried that I might have broken my oldcomers foot (he only had one) by stomping on it repeatedly to get him to let go of my belt loop.

It can feel good to blame other people,and most importantly to label yourself a victim. But you are a product of your own decisions in life, which have led you to fornits which is nothing more than a bunch of spoiled rich kids whining about how they got sent to boarding school, and the truth is nobody cares but the other self absorbed, self described victims that post here. So let's all hold hands, and embrace our group victim status, and hopefully somebody will listen. Have you ever considered writing a letter to your congressman?

Wow, did I strike a nerve?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Name One Good Program
« on: September 23, 2010, 11:39:11 AM »
Psychologically, there is a HUGE difference between a program you have chosen, as an adult, to enter, and a program that your parents or other authority  chose for you against your will, from which there is no escape.
This is the main reason why, I believe, adult programs can be effective and teen programs generally are not.  Even when they succeed, the kid ends up like Max, no individuality, no mind of their own.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Name One Good Program
« on: September 22, 2010, 01:29:57 PM »
Quote from: "Maximilian"
There are at least hundreds of various types of treatment programs out there, fornits tends to focus on about a dozen or so. Fornits seems to ignores the rest of them, and tries to generalize an entire industry based on the worst case examples. So coming up with a list of good programs would be a very long list, indeed. I've been to good treatment programs, I was not abused or mistreated. But the real question is how the posters here can prove that all programs are abusive, just because an individual person had a negative experience doesn't mean everybody else did. Fornits only has a relatively small amount of posters compared to the number who attended programs. Most kids go through it and do fine, the one's who don't end up here complaining about it, which isn't very many.

"I didn't find fornits until 25 years after I got out of the program.  It sometimes takes years, or even decades, to get on your feet after going through that.  There might be a WHOLE LOT more of us soon."

So the real question isn't about naming good programs, that is easy, because it's almost all of them. But I'll wait here for the people claiming all programs are abusive to come up with some kind of proof of that statement. There are a lot of programs open right now with kids in them and nobody here on fornits ever heard of, and I'm not going to start naming names of these programs so the extremists here can start stalking the staff at them, or hacking their websites and all the things fornits extremists like to do. Programs work and parents continue to use them, despite fornits posters complaining about them on this forum. Arguing with me or anyone else here isn't going to stop a parent from using a program. If you want to do something about it you probably should do something other than demanding proof that programs are good, and start coming up with your own proof why programs are bad. Otherwise you're just wasting your time, because a sob story about how you couldn't make it through a program isn't really that convincing to most parents.

Saying that we couldn't make it through a program implies that we WANTED to make it through a program.  I never did.  Not once in the whole five months I was there.  I did not want or need what they were selling.  Them forcing it on me anyway caused me profound emotional trauma at a very sensitive age and almost certainly hindered my ability to develop into a healthy adult.

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: What illegal drugs would you legalize?
« on: September 22, 2010, 01:09:16 PM »
I think any negative effects of such a policy would be outweighed by the obvious positive ones, like taking all that money out of the hands of Mexican and American organized crime and putting a big chunk of it (via taxes) into the US Treasury.  And getting those drugs off the corner and off the school yards and into a liquor store or drug store, which would only sell to adults.  There may be an initial spike in drug use but I think that would equalize when the novelty wore off.  And if more people need treatment, let them get it.  My main beef is with teen programs from which you CANNOT leave.  If all drugs were legal and regulated, teens would have a harder time getting them.  And if Mom or Dad could go to the liquor store, buy a joint and smoke it, maybe they wouldn't be so uptight and intolerant.  Maybe they would not be so quick to condemn their own children to a thought reform gulag.

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: What illegal drugs would you legalize?
« on: September 21, 2010, 05:30:48 PM »
Quote from: "Stonewall"
While it may seem extreme, I would decriminalize all drugs that are currently illegal even via prescription.

The 'War on Drugs' is a war on the American People. It would actually be better for everyone if this 'war' did not exist.

The 'war' does not work. People can get drugs within a few minutes. We don't really have to concern ourselves about what would happen if these drugs were legal. As things are now, it is as if they are legal, as far as the ability to acquire drugs.

So, what would change would be the State itself. The money spent on this 'war', would be spent elsewhere. We would be a more free society. A safer society. A more wealthy society.



AMEN!

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Synanon / Re: Regional Addiction Prevention, Inc. (RAP, Inc.)
« on: September 20, 2010, 06:41:45 PM »
MY RAP STORY;

In 1994 I was a 24 year old heroin addict living mostly on  my friends couches, I worked under the table doing landscaping/construction type jobs.  I had been a motorcycle courier until I broke my leg in an accident, my  bike was totaled and the several months recovery time cost me my job and my apartment.  Mostly I was just working enough to get from one day to the next.
   I had been an avid drug user since escaping from the LIFE program ( one of many offshoots of Straight Inc. ) in 1986.  In retrospect, those ‘ anti-drug ’ people were the worst people I have ever seen, so it makes sense that I would have moved in the opposite direction from the one they tried to push me in.  Of course, I got in over my head with heroin and cocaine and started spending alot of time in parts of D.C. that white boys aren’t supposed to hang out in, and I got arrested, several times.  
   So, in late summer 1994, I was arrested with 10 dimes of heroin and eventually sentenced to a one year program called RAP.  After spending four months in Lorton waiting for bed space ( nobody would put up bail, go figure ) I was transported to ADASA in downtown D.C., and from there to  RAP Inc. in Laurel, Maryland.  Where do I start?  It was Afro-centric, it was holistic, it was vegetarian.  There were drums, we celebrated Kwanzaa.  I was not nearly as upset at being the only white guy as I was that I would not be able to drink milk.  Or eat meat, or salt, or eggs, or butter.  Also, no aspirin or Tylenol, if you got a headache they gave you valerian tea. They got us up at 5 a.m. to do calisthenics.  Made us roll our jeans into tight rolls on the shelves and bounce a quarter off our mattresses.  
   Despite all this weirdness, I think RAP was an excellent example of a benign and even helpful drug program.  For one thing, the director at that time, Brother Rahman ( Richard Cooke ) did not believe in the ‘powerless’ philosophy of AA.  Treatment was almost exclusively group based but care was taken to not let anyone be abusive or self serving.  They were well aware of the possible consequences of abusing this treatment method and did a pretty good job of keeping it a healthy atmosphere.  One of the things that stood out was the diversity of thought there.  Some of the staff were Muslim, some Christian, some were Hebrew Israelite, some Atheist.  They didn’t really push anything on us, just encouraged us to find a healthy lifestyle that would work for us.
   The food sucked though, really sucked.  You might get two baked potatoes (sea salt, no butter) and some string beans.  That’s it, for dinner.  They got most of it for free from a big produce depot, we’d get what the grocery stores wouldn’t take.  Every time I got a home visit me and my escorts would clean out my dad,s egg, bacon and coffee supply (no coffee either).  It also sucked not having Tylenol, but aside from that I really approve of the holistic approach to medicine and wish that more places would explore it.
   They had a print shop called RAP Graphics, where some of us would work as unpaid labor printing T shirts all day but we didn’t mind because it was better than being in group and they would buy us real food ( Popeyes, Dominoes, etc. ).  They had also had a kind of boutique on H street N.E., but that was before my time.  
   They graduated me early, at 11 months.  I think they were pressed for space, and maybe they were tired of answering questions like “Who’s the white guy?  Why is he here?”  As I said, it was an Afro-centric program, leaning heavily on African heritage, I think they were somewhat embarrassed by my presence.  Despite this, I have to say that while I was there I felt no discrimination or scorn from the staff or the residents, with one or two rare exceptions.  On the whole they were extremely fair and open minded people.  For instance, I refused to cut my hair because it was halfway down my back, everyone else had the standard fade popular at the time, which would grow back in a few months, mine would take years.  My counselor, Richard Haynesworth, came up with a compromise and made me wear it in cornrows until I got off phase one.  I was pissed, as was the girl who had to cornrow my hair, but I got to keep it.  He didn’t have to do that.  
   I didn’t stop shooting dope until about 10 years after graduating RAP, but I think I definitely benefitted from this program, if only for the diverse education acquired from living for a year with folks I would never ordinarily come into contact with.  The main difference between RAP and LIFE was that I was an adult in RAP and as an adult I could walk out at any time.  I would have gone back to jail, but I did have the choice.  I think the ‘captive’ nature of teen groups negates any positive effect of group therapy.

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Synanon / Re: Where are the Synanon Ex-Members?
« on: September 20, 2010, 12:52:26 PM »
Also, Daytop Village opened in '66 and Phoenix House in '67, both in NY, but I'm not sure if any of their original staff was from Synanon.  Ron Clark (founder of RAP) may have been in Synanon, can't remember.  Second Genesis, started in 1970 in Alexandria VA, might also be a logical place to look for ex-Synanon people, who would all be pretty old now in any case..

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Synanon / Re: Where are the Synanon Ex-Members?
« on: September 20, 2010, 12:01:23 PM »
I graduated from what I think was the first Synanon offshoot, in '95, it was called RAP and opened in D.C. in 1970. (  http://www.rapinc.org/index.html  )  Around 1980 they started an "Afro-centric" curriculum since most of the clients by that time were African American.  In '95 I was the only white guy there, I was a D.C. resident and that is where the court sent me.  When I graduated, they gave me an African name, can't remember it now.  One of my counselors was from Synanon, one of the funniest guys I ever met, Richard Haynesworth.  Unfortunately he was run down and killed on his motorcycle on his way home after leading a marathon rap, by two inebriated teenagers in a drag race in stolen cars.  Irony.

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Open Free for All / Re: How do you feel towards your parents?
« on: September 14, 2010, 02:13:45 PM »
You are absolutely right and I will now do what everyone else has done and just stop reading your posts, creep.

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Open Free for All / Re: How do you feel towards your parents?
« on: September 14, 2010, 01:13:50 PM »
I don't see anything respectful in PUSHING your opinions on us EVERY DAY.  You know damn well that the majority of the people here find your "opinions" offensive and therefore will never respect them.

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Open Free for All / Re: How do you feel towards your parents?
« on: September 14, 2010, 12:28:09 PM »
You still sound like staff.

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Open Free for All / Max, Staff or Resident?
« on: September 14, 2010, 12:24:54 PM »
Quote from: "Maximilian"
When I first arrived at the program I was not prepared for the fact that I wouldn't be able to manipulate my way out, or how restrictive it would be. So this made me pretty angry and I felt mad at my parents, not right away. I thought perhaps it was all a big misunderstanding. So I wrote to my parents asking them to please take me home, because the program I was at was not fun or helping me at all. They wrote me back to stick it out, and that I would not get pulled from the program early. This made me pretty angry with them, I wrote them some mean letters in response, and basically said we are through, don't write me and I won't write you. I don't have a family anymore. Well that didn't last too long, I eventually started writing again.

When I got out of the program I was still pretty angry. But after time passed the anger subsided and I began to look at my experience from other points of view, other than my own. Then it began to make sense, why other people would believe it was necessary for me. I get it now, and the anger has been replaced with gratitude. I don't feel anger at all towards my parents about the program anymore, mostly I feel grateful they were willing to put their foot down and, at least, keep me safe for as long as they were legally able to. I wasn't some innocent kid being sent to a program by rich parents who didn't want their kid anymore. My family suffered tremendously in order to pay for the program, and while they were sacrificing their cherished items they were required to sell in order to pay for the program, I was condemning them in letters. It must of been very difficult for them, I realize this now.

So a little while ago I decided the only way to get past my guilt in this, was to pay back every cent they spent on the program.When I was  troubled teen living with my family, all I did was take. I never gave anything other than hardship towards the people around me. So I began saving money towards paying them back for the program, and although it will probably take me a while, I think it's an attainable goal. I hope to present my parent with the check before they die, which hopefully will not be for a very long time. We have since reconciled and the program is now but a memory, and I haven't told them that I feel guilty for forcing them to send me away, and to suffer financially for it.  I will feel a lot better about myself when I can give my parent this money back, and perhaps make right something I did wrong some time ago.

I was wondering how other people feel towards their families. Feel free to post your own feelings about your family in this thread.



Sorry, I don't believe a word you say.  If you were "still pretty angry" they would not have let you out.  You sound like a program staffer, not a program survivor.

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Addiction Treatment Philosophy / Re: How to get sober
« on: September 11, 2010, 01:07:23 AM »
Yup, for me at least, alcohol and dope did not go together well.

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