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PURE Bullshit and CAICA / Another Sue spam blog?
« on: September 13, 2007, 04:22:03 PM »
Since Sue Scheff has updated, her Whitmore blog and added my name to it - I wanted to re-address another issue that Scheff  wrote about me in her blog:

 Sue Scheff wrote in her Whitmore Blog:
"No matter what it is/was;, all of this led to a civil case instigated by this mother."

Scheff is incorrect: The lawfirm representing the Whitmore parents in the civil case against the Sudweeks/Whitmore--HOWARD, LEWIS, & PETERSON -- was initially hired by the parents of the student who first alleged he was abused by the Sudweeks in November 2004 as reported by KLS TV in Salt Lake City, Utah.
Samanatha Hayes Reported on November 30, 2004
"A Troubled Teen Home Investigated for Abuse"
"A facility for troubled teens is under investigation tonight after strong allegations from one boy.
Carol Sisco, Child & Family Services: Our licensing office notified them we intend to revoke their license."
http://tv.ksl.com?index.php?sid=136013&nid=5

Scheff blog continues:
"What a mess - in the end - the most beautiful program to help families is closed, since it has to handle the legal mess this mother caused, in my opinion."

The Sudweeks did continue to have "legal problems" but I did not cause them.

Kristen Stewart's report in the Salt Lake City Tribune, "Boarding School: she stands accused of child abuse and hazing at now defunct treatment center." on June 11, 2005.
Cheryl Sudweeks was charged with 5 counts of child abuse and 2 counts of hazing against 4 Whitmore students.

Jared Eldridge, the County Attorney did not bring any charges on behalf of my daughter.
I am not privy to why the State of Utah removed the Sudweeks's license to operate Whitmore Academy. Ask them!
http://www.isaccorp.org/whitmore/whitmo ... 11.05.html

On September 22, 2006 Linda Thomson's report in the Deseret Morning News, "Plea deal for ex-school operator" reports Cheryl Sudweeks's plea bargain, in which she agreed to not operate a facility in Juab County "for the rest of her life."
In explaining this plea bargain, County Attorney, Jared Eldridge says: "These kids made some allegations of abuse, and I completely believed them. That's why I filed the case."

Again: I had nothing to do with this plea agreement. Why did Cheryl Sudweeks accept a plea bargain, instead of going to trial to prove the innocence she seems/wants to claim? I don't know. ASK HER!

I have no idea WHY or WHEN the Sudweeks decided to close the Whitmore Academy. Again---ASK THEM!!!

Summary: I did not initiate the civil case against the Sudweeks.
ANYONE who says I paid any parents to join this civil case is a LIAR. Anyone who says I paid any parent, or any child/student to lie about the Sudweeks is a LIAR.
My family was not a part of the criminal case against the Sudweeks. My family is not a part of the civil case against the Sudweeks/Whitmore Academy.

NOTE: I had never heard of the Sudweeks in 2001 when Mark Sudweeks was involved in his FELONY Animal Abuse case in Canada: Regina VS Sudweeks; and when the Sudweeks were evicted from Mexico for operating a school without a license.

So: hopefully Sue Scheff will not try to blame these legal problems of the Sudweeks had in these 2 countries on me, too "in her opinion.".

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PURE Bullshit and CAICA / Another Sue spam blog?
« on: September 13, 2007, 04:13:50 PM »
Scheff states in the Whitmore blog, "I have visited the Whitmore Academy and Mansion on several occasions."
Scheff also indicated to me in 2004 that she had visited Whitmore Academy in person.
Scheff's testimony in the PURE vs WWASP transcripts seem to indicate something different:

Sue Scheff gave testimony in the WWASP vs PURE trial.
On page 98 of the transcript, reference was made to paragraph three of an Affidavit that was signed by Sue Scheff, and filed on February 16, 2002.

Question:
"You never resided in the State of Utah and you had only made one visit to Utah as a tourist ten year previously.
Was that a true statement when you made it?"

Answer by Sue Scheff:
"Yes it was when I made it."

After reading this testimony by Sue Scheff; which I assume it TRUE;
I begin to wonder, and ask:.
.
If Sue Scheff had not even been in the State of Utah since "ten year previously to the year 2002,:" this would mean that Scheff had not been to Utah since 1992.

We were referred to Whitmore Academy by Sue Scheff in October 2004.
Why did Sue Scheff lie to me when she said she had personally visited Whitmore Academy? Whitmore Academy was not in existence in 1992.
Sue Scheff said to me: "when she walked through the doors of Whitmore Academy, she could feel the love."
Scheff also wrote that "Cherly Sudweeks's smile could light up a room."

Why would Sue Scheff say these things about a personal visit to Whitmore Academy, if she had not actually visited the facility?

I assume her testimony in the WWASP vs PURE trial was true.

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PURE Bullshit and CAICA / Scheff's blog update
« on: September 13, 2007, 10:47:09 AM »
It's interesting that Scheff continues to update her Whitmore Academy blog since this facility is closed.  Why continue to BLOG and promote a defunct facility that closed amid abuse allegations and a criminal case against the owner; especially while a civil case is ongoing?

Since Scheff seems to enjoy blogging about what she considers "secrets" and the personal lives of others - wonder why she doesn't BLOG about a facility that is open for business; one she reportedly refers parents and their children to; one where her own daughter and new son-in-law reportedly work as counselors?

Surely, Scheff's blogging reading public would have more interest in reading her views  about Harbor Oaks Boarding School ; and reading more about her daughter and son-in-laws new jobs at Harbor Oaks Boarding School( if they still work there)---than reading about some closed down facility in Nephi, Utah !

Does Sue Scheff avoid writing, blogging about her daughter and son-in-law working at this facility - because there might be some conflict of interest to have her daughter working at the same facility that Scheff/PURE reportedly refers many children to?
Just asking, since a topic has been posted that asks if Harbor Oaks Boarding School is Sue Scheff's new "cash cow?"  I certainly wouldn't know.

Perhaps Scheff can give insight into how one goes from Gymnastic coach, stunt graduate to "teen counselor at a boarding school" that supposedly Scheff/PURE recommends to parents and their children.

Perhaps Scheff could BLOG about another facility that is currently open for business that she should possibly know about - Focal Point Academy in NV - rather than spending so much blogging time on the defunct Whitmore Academy?

Another topic of interest that Scheff might could address in her BLOGGING could be an explanation  of why Isabelle Zehnder took her off CAICA's "Advocate of the Month" list.
 Perhaps Scheff could update her "Sue Scheff - All About Me" and explain it there?  
When other people have titles ripped away from them - don't they usually make a public statement and explain WHY?  When public figures like Miss America, or Miss USA lose their "titles" there's usually a public explanation.
Why did Sue Scheff lose her title of "CAICA Advocate of the Month?"

Or, if Scheff really just enjoys writing BLOGS about "secrets, and people's personal lives" - perhaps she could write a BLOG from her own personal life experiences:
Maybe Scheff could BLOG about abusive "boyfriends" and what it's like for a relationship to spiral out-of-control to the point of filing domestic violence and taking the guy -friend to court, etc - as stated in all those public documents posted.
OR, perhaps Scheff could BLOG about the effects of an "alcoholic, non-suporive ex-husband" which has been reported; and gossiped about - if any of that is true.

It really does seem Scheff has an array of things in her own personal life she can draw upon to BLOG about that might be more interesting than me.
She's been pounding on my "personal secretive life" a couple of years now - and doesn't seem to understand - it's old, old news; and the shock value wore off when the Fornits topic "Joyce is a Slut Woman" was posted.

The fact remains:
I don't claim to be "an advocate;" I don't refer children to programs; I don't run a facility for chldren.

 

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PURE Bullshit and CAICA / Another Sue spam blog?
« on: September 12, 2007, 07:38:27 PM »
I must be special; Sue Scheff has added my name under "LABELS" right between the names Cherly Sudweeks and Mark Sudweeks on this updated disgraceful Whitmore Blog of hers!

Scheff never has answered the question:
Where did she get the pictures of the Whitmore students she has posted on this blog?
Students who were victims in the criminal case against Cheryl Sudweeks are featured in these photos on her blog; and it is my understanding that the victims and their parents did not give permission for their children's pictures to be featured in this blog.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Sue Scheff complaint
« on: September 06, 2007, 09:52:28 PM »
I assume the reference to me:
"Hey BITCH Why don't you share Joyce Harris's Happy testimonial"
is referring to the ISAC Statement made by my husband, Richard Harris and myself in 2005?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Guilty - Great!!!
« on: September 01, 2007, 08:39:10 PM »
Hinton only being found GUILTY on two counts is not justice for all these victims; but at least this prosecutor took the case to trial, and allowed a jury to hear the case.

Many times, like in the Whitmore Academy criminal case - the prosecutor allows a plea bargain!  Jared Eldridge charged Cheryl Sudweeks with 5 counts of abuse, and 2 counts of hazing.  Eldridge allowed Sudweeks to  cop-a-plea to 2 counts of ATTEMPTED HAZING!

Hopefully, Hinton will get jail time. He certainly deserves it, IMO.

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This was my comment to Maia's article:

Sue Scheff has written a blog "Whitmore Academy-My Experiences" in which she promotes the defunct Whitmore Academy; and praises the owners, Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks. This blog fails to disclose these owner's criminal histories in 3 countries -Canada, Mexico and the United States. Yet Scheff bashes, and posts lies about a parent critic. Scheff blames this parent for the Sudweeks'legal problems - yet Cheryl Sudweeks accepted a plea bargain in her Whitmore criminal case; in which she was charged with 5 counts of abuse, and 2 counts of hazing against 4 Whitmore Academy students.
Scheff has announced that she has a 2nd Whitmore blog she will release entitled:
"Whitmore Academy, THE SECRET, SHHH" in which she advises her readership to "stay tuned" for some secrets about this parent she promises to reveal; in what appears to be another attempt to silence this parent's criticism.
Is this what Scheff defines as "freedom of speech?" Does Scheff really know the meaning of defamation?
I received a letter from Scheff's attorney, David Pollack, when I voiced criticisms about Whitmore Academy; and Scheff/PURE's referral of my daughter to Whitmore. Scheff criticized WWASP; yet she wanted to silence my right honestly voice my opinion as written in my statement to International Survivors Action Committee: www.isaccorp.org
The full account of the Whitmore story can be read on www.sueschefftruth.com

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Quote from: psy
Quote from: Guest
  (remember what she said about Cherly Sudweeks and all those warm, fuzzy pictures on her blog).

Psy, you may not be aware of this about the pictures that Isabelle Zehnder/Sue Scheff published on these Whitmore Academy BLOGS.  These women posted pictures of children, who were victims in the criminal case against Cheryl Sudweeks; and who are currently plaintiffs in the civil case that is pending against the Sudweeks and Whitmore Academy in those BLOGS.

I wouldn't believe that either Zehnder, or Scheff   have  permission to be publishing pictures of these victims/plaintiffs; and I'd be very interested in knowing where Zehnder and Scheff got these pictures. I would be enraged; and would be contacting an attorney, if my daughter's picture was splattered throughout these outrageous BLOGS.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Dear Guest
« on: August 23, 2007, 06:24:04 PM »
]
Quote from: ""Guest""
I guarantee the 2 staff who let my son die will never work in this industry again


Sadly, there are no such guarantees in this industry.

Jared Eldridge, the County Attorney charged Cheryl Sudweeks with 5 counts of child abuse and 2 counts of hazing against four children in the Whitmore Academy criminal case.  Yet, he allowed Cheryl Sudweeks to cop-a-plea to 2 counts of attempted hazing!

In a statement in the Deseret Morning News in this article, "Plea deal for ex-school operator, She agrees not torun another re-hab facility in Juab,"
"These kids made some allegations of abuse and I completely believe them. That's why I filed the case. But the fact that I believe them is one thing, whether a jury is going to believe is a whole different question," Juab County Attorney Jared Eldridge said.

The woman Cathy Sutton hold directly responsible for the death of her beloved daughter, Michelle Sutton, continues to work in this industry, today.

Sadly, there are no guarantees that these two staff members will be stopped from working in the industry, either.
But, I sincerely hope this mother is correct!

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PURE Bullshit and CAICA / Support of Green Family
« on: August 22, 2007, 02:32:03 AM »
The Green Family most certainly has my family's support; and best wishes.  I most certainly hope that thier family will not be attacked in any public forums; or blogs.

Hopefully new parents who may be enrolling their children at Focal Point Academy after this lawsuit has been filed; are being given full disclosurer about this pending lawsuit; so they can make a fully informed decision before enrolling their sons. It seems that would be the proper, and moral thing to do.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Harris -Zehnder emails April 2006
« on: August 21, 2007, 02:13:07 AM »
My next email goes on to express my opinions that the children in these court cases usually have no choice about being in these cases -- and their confidentiality should be protected:

Quote
From: JOYCE
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:57 AM
To: 'Isabelle Zehnder'
Subject: RE: Whitmore Academy

Isabelle,

Your email stopped mid sentence.

Yes---all court documents are “public recordâ€

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Harris - Zehnder emails
« on: August 21, 2007, 02:06:58 AM »
Quote
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "JOYCE"

Isabelle:  There is a civil case pending, but my family is no longer a part of that case.  I believe the civil case will settle, and not go to trial---and once I got “that feelingâ€

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ORIGINAL EMAIL FROM JOYCE HARRIS; Zehnder's reply
Quote
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "JOYCE"


 

Dear Isabelle,

I wanted to give some update information about Whitmore Academy.

Cheryl Sudweeks’s trial date has been set for:  September 18-- September 29, 2006.

Could this be posted on the Whitmore Academy “topic.â€

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In her attempt to help Sue Scheff bring down FORNITS, Isabelle Zehnder lied about Joyce Harris in the email she sent Ginger Warbis:
Quote
-------------- Original message --------------

From: Ginger Warbis


Isabelle, do you really give a flyin' fuck at a rollin donut what people like these think?


At 11:57 PM 4/30/2006, you wrote:

Hi Ginger,

Did you see this? (see below) I know you don't like to censor the forum, but I think people are taking this way too far. Me and Sue Scheff? Me making money? Running interference between her and for Sue against WWASP? What on earth are these people talking about? I've gotten a $70 donation for CAICA, and spent thousands of our hard-earned dollars toward the cause. So money coming to me? Are they nuts? This could be some troll but nonetheless it reads like a threat and I would appreciate it if you could edit this stuff off Fornits. It's gotten out of hand, in my opinion.

All because what? Joyce Harris started this whole thing when she e-mailed me asking that I post the trial date. It went from an e-mail asking me to do something to long harrassing e-mails until finally I couldn't take her abuse any more and sent her links to prove I was not the only person around who puts kids names on the site with thei r stories. Every single other site does it.

But, when she wrote to the people who I sent her links to, she didn't ask them in the context that I said it, she worded it to benefit her and screw me. I know, someone forwarded me one of the e-mails that she sent to people. Of course when she sent me copies of their responses she did not include what she wrote to them.

What a waste of time and energy all of this is. I have stayed off Fornits for the most part (as I'm sure you've noticed) because it's a stress I don't need. It is nothing against you. I am upset because I felt you and I were getting to know each other and work well together. You were helping me to learn more about the industry and its history. Positive things were happening.


I will post the email exchanges betweem myself and Isabelle Zehnder which took place in April 2006.

My first correspondence with Zehnder was to request that she post an article on the Whitmore site.  At this time - Zehnder had Whitmore Academy on CAICA's Watchlist.

Zehnder, THEN requested a copy of the Whitmore Academy civil case documents from me; I informed her that my family was not plaintiffs in this case - and I then voiced my opinion about her policy of posting the names of minor children when she posted court documents on CAICA.

Zehnder provided me with a list of advocates she CLAIMED followed CAICA's policy of posting minor children's names. I emailed the adovocates Zehnder provided; and I assure readers - ALL ADVOCATES DO NOT PUBLISH THE NAMES OF MINOR CHILDREN WHEN THEY POST COURT DOCUMENTS - Zehnder is  wrong!

Isabelle Zehnder LIED when she stated that my emails to the advocates were "worded to benefit her and to screw me."

Isabelle Zehnder also LIED when she said my emails to her were any form of harrassment.

Isabelle Zehnder also LIED when she said that I requested that she removed Whitmore Academy from CAICA's WATCHLIST.

I will post the April 2006 email exchcanges between myself and Isabelle Zehnder in the next posting.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / THIS is why SUE wins all those cases!!
« on: August 17, 2007, 11:49:39 AM »
Sue Scheff does not seem to believe that people have the same exact RIGHTS that she has.

Sue Scheff claims that her daughter was abused in a WWASP facility; and for years, she has highly criticized WWASP and its owners loudly and consistingly--verbally, and in print about her daughter's abuse.
I don't write BLOGS about Scheff--defending WWASPS facilities; while praising the  Litchfields and Kays as loving, caring  peeple who have spent years sacrificing themselves for all these children who have spent wondeful happy years in their  WWASP "schools."

I don't blog, blaming Scheff for any, and all of Litchfield and Kay's legal problems; just because Scheff complains about her daughter's abuse in their facility.

I certainly don't blog and insinuate that Scheff' perhaps wrongfully complains about WWASP, and their owner,s because perhaps, maybe, it seems,  other may have said; or that I heard [/---Scheff withdrew her daughter from this WWASP facility early because she ]may have feared [/i]that her daughter might reveal family secrets that Scheff didn't want her daughter to reveal.
I didn't speculate in a BLOG that perhaps Scheff may have removed her daughter from this WWASP facility early because Scheff may have feared her young daughter may have revealed her mother's past relationship a boyfried, who was so abusive, that it required Scheff to file domestic violence charges against him in a court of law.  I didn't blog and ask, "What else did this daughter know that she might reveal?";

I don't speculate in a BLOG that perhaps Scheff may have removed her daughter early; and that in my opinion she probably lied about WWASP because she may have feard her daughter might have been getting ready to reveal some other family secrets of what? perhaps family abuse, maybe violence--since it has been said this girl's father may have had drinking problems; and [someone saidthis mother may have struck this daughter in the face and attempted to choke her?  .

The above 2 paragraph 2, is the type of hearsay, vicious gossip, and opinions that Sue Scheff wrote in her BLOG "Whitmore Academy- My Experiences."

I believe Sue Scheff's daughter was abused in that WWASP facility.
I don't believe children are "manipulative liars" who lie about their experiences in these programs.
And I believe Scheff has the right to criticize her daughter's abusers.

BUT: I maintain that I HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS SUE SCHEFF.I have the RIGHT to criticize the abusive facility; and its owners where I placed my daughter for education and treatment.
And Sue Scheff, of all people, does not have the right to try and silence my criticism - since she, and her company PURE recommended Whitmore Academy to my family.

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