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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => EdCons and referring organizations and agencies => PURE Bullshit and CAICA => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 03, 2006, 11:44:00 AM
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PURE
http://caica.org/LINKS%20PAGE.htm (http://caica.org/LINKS%20PAGE.htm)
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if whis girl want to spread the word why arent all the oher sites that deal with this cause linked?
I think I smell a RAT!
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Does CAICA have a Board of Directors?
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What an ignorant hypocrite.
Doent this babe know schools that Pure refers to are under investgation.That the owner and director,whom happents to eb GOOD FRIENDS with the owner of Pure, is going to trial for mentally abusing children.
My goodness. What a moron. Lady get a life.
Which "school" was your child in? Fuck off.
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The DIRECTOR of the school, WHITMORE, is charged with CRIMINAL CHILD ABUUSE...not just mental abuse. And, yes, Sue Scheff does claim the Sudweeks as her friends and supports them, not the parents, OR these abused children.
Ask her.
And, it appears Isabelle, CAICA is a big supporter of of Sue Scheff.
Very very pitiful.
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Looks like Izzy didn't get enough donation money, so now she is getting referral fees from Sue Scheff and PURE. Right Izzy?
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Is that true? How do you know that Isabella is referral kids through PURE?
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On 2006-06-03 19:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does CAICA have a Board of Directors?
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IZ 1, IZ 2, IZ 3, IZ 4, IZ 5 are the board. the woman has no one, who can work with her!
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Isabelle?Thats the woman's name?
Read her links on Caica. She has Pure mixed in with other REAL advocates for children efforts.
Pure is a fraud.
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Some article a while back said a lawmaker from Montana was on the CAICA board of directors.
Is this true?
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On 2006-06-04 09:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Some article a while back said a lawmaker from Montana was on the CAICA board of directors.
Is this true? "
CAICA has the article on her website, copied from the original source, and yeah, the article says something about a Montana lawmaker being on the newly formed Caica's board of directors.
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20SCL%20Short ... -16-05.htm (http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20SCL%20Short%20Leash%206-16-05.htm)
The future of teen programs and the level and scope of state regulation is a battle that will continue into the 2007 legislative session. Proponents of teen therapeutic and wilderness programs will push for self-regulation and licensure. Groups like the Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse (CAICA) and the International Survivors Action Committee (ISAC) are working on community awareness and outreach to educate parents, legislators, and legal and health professionals on the tactics used by teen programs.
Sen. Trudi Schmidt now sits on the board of directors for the newly formed CAICA.
Guess you'd have to ask the President of CAICA, Isabelle Zhender if she has a board of directors and if so, who the other members are.
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Is CAICA a non-profit organization? If so, and they have a Board of Directors, then I would think this information would be available to the public?
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No mention of Board of Directors here .. just a whole lotta of WE this and WE that ... :lol:
So who is WE?
http://caica.org/Mission%20Statement%20-%20use.htm (http://caica.org/Mission%20Statement%20-%20use.htm)
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This forum used to have very useful topics at the top, now its filled with this crap. It seems like a disinformation campaign to me, start infighting amongst the various survivor groups. Effective strategy, I might add.
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On 2006-06-04 11:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This forum used to have very useful topics at the top, now its filled with this crap. It seems like a disinformation campaign to me, start infighting amongst the various survivor groups. Effective strategy, I might add."
Personally, I think that might be a matter of opinion. What's crap to you might be important to someone else.
Besides, you do have the option of not reading posts or threads that don't meet your standard of non-crap.
Use it or lose it.
:smokin:
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Isn't SUE SCHEFF the real board of directors for CA-CA. And CA-CA is the board of directors for PURE.
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On 2006-06-04 11:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-04 11:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This forum used to have very useful topics at the top, now its filled with this crap. It seems like a disinformation campaign to me, start infighting amongst the various survivor groups. Effective strategy, I might add."
Personally, I think that might be a matter of opinion. What's crap to you might be important to someone else.
Besides, you do have the option of not reading posts or threads that don't meet your standard of non-crap.
Use it or lose it.
:nworthy:
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Regarding the Board of Directors for CAICA:
In light of that published article (about SCL) that states CAICA has a Board, asking questions about it is a perfectly legitimate NON-CRAPPY question.
Don't shoot the messenger.
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On 2006-06-04 10:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-04 09:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Some article a while back said a lawmaker from Montana was on the CAICA board of directors.
Is this true? "
CAICA has the article on her website, copied from the original source, and yeah, the article says something about a Montana lawmaker being on the newly formed Caica's board of directors.
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20SCL%20Short ... -16-05.htm (http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20SCL%20Short%20Leash%206-16-05.htm)
The future of teen programs and the level and scope of state regulation is a battle that will continue into the 2007 legislative session. Proponents of teen therapeutic and wilderness programs will push for self-regulation and licensure. Groups like the Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse (CAICA) and the International Survivors Action Committee (ISAC) are working on community awareness and outreach to educate parents, legislators, and legal and health professionals on the tactics used by teen programs.
Sen. Trudi Schmidt now sits on the board of directors for the newly formed CAICA.
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this was once the case, not anymore, until the senator realized this woman was not very effective or a good ally.
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On 2006-06-04 13:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-04 10:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-04 09:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Some article a while back said a lawmaker from Montana was on the CAICA board of directors.
Is this true? "
CAICA has the article on her website, copied from the original source, and yeah, the article says something about a Montana lawmaker being on the newly formed Caica's board of directors.
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20SCL%20Short ... -16-05.htm (http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20SCL%20Short%20Leash%206-16-05.htm)
The future of teen programs and the level and scope of state regulation is a battle that will continue into the 2007 legislative session. Proponents of teen therapeutic and wilderness programs will push for self-regulation and licensure. Groups like the Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse (CAICA) and the International Survivors Action Committee (ISAC) are working on community awareness and outreach to educate parents, legislators, and legal and health professionals on the tactics used by teen programs.
Sen. Trudi Schmidt now sits on the board of directors for the newly formed CAICA.
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this was once the case, not anymore, until the senator realized this woman was not very effective or a good ally."
Are you saying there is no board of directors or there is, but the Montana lawmaker decided to jump ship? Sorry, but it would be nice to clarify this issue, to be fair to CAICA while at the same time keeping the public informed as to what CAICA is (or isn't). Claiming to have a Board of Directors but not providing the public with their charter (or even a way to verify if there is a Board) seems rather foolhardy, if you ask me.
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Are you saying there is no board of directors or there is, but the Montana lawmaker decided to jump ship? Sorry, but it would be nice to clarify this issue, to be fair to CAICA while at the same time keeping the public informed as to what CAICA is (or isn't). Claiming to have a Board of Directors but not providing the public with their charter (or even a way to verify if there is a Board) seems rather foolhardy, if you ask me.
:silly: "
And aren't non-profit's obligated to name their board? Maybe its not even a non for profit?
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Are you saying there is no board of directors or there is, but the Montana lawmaker decided to jump ship? Sorry, but it would be nice to clarify this issue, to be fair to CAICA while at the same time keeping the public informed as to what CAICA is (or isn't). Claiming to have a Board of Directors but not providing the public with their charter (or even a way to verify if there is a Board) seems rather foolhardy, if you ask me.
:silly: "
And aren't non-profit's obligated to name their board? Maybe its not even a non for profit?
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The name CAICA doesn't make a lot of sense.
Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse.
Coalition is usually defined as "a TEMPORARY alliance for a combined joint action or purpose."
Maybe Izzy doesn't plan on Ca Ca being around long. Sort of like Kids in Captivity, HUH?
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based on an online corporation search, caica does not appear to exist as an entity of any kind in the state of Washington, nor does it seem to appear as a non-profit organization in the online files of the IRS. maybe it is based elsewhere or it could just be a site on the net.
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oops...remember CAICA didn't have a Mission Statement when that question came up? Then the next day! There was Izzy's Mission Statement written out on Ca Ca.
Wanna bet Ca Ca might be "incorportated" and filed as a "non-profit" this time tomorrow??????
Betcha!
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On 2006-06-04 11:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Regarding the Board of Directors for CAICA:
In light of that published article (about SCL) that states CAICA has a Board, asking questions about it is a perfectly legitimate NON-CRAPPY question.
Don't shoot the messenger.
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Has it dawned on you yet that almost nothing in that published article was true? It was written by a buddy of Isabelle's, and she was the main source (aka "anonymous").
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Kike-a. :lol:
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Maybe Izzy's friend Sue Scheff can advise Izzy on name changes and all that for-profit-OR-not-for-profit-stuff.
In her testimony in the the WWASP vs PURE on page 165, SCHEFF:
"It was orginally Parents Universal Referral Agency.
We changed it to Parents Universal RESOURCE Agency.
...PURE was established as a 501(c) under the PURE Foundation, and later changed within a year to a S-corp."
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On 2006-06-05 09:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Maybe Izzy's friend Sue Scheff can advise Izzy on name changes and all that for-profit-OR-not-for-profit-stuff.
In her testimony in the the WWASP vs PURE on page 165, SCHEFF:
"It was orginally Parents Universal Referral Agency.
We changed it to Parents Universal RESOURCE Agency.
...PURE was established as a 501(c) under the PURE Foundation, and later changed within a year to a S-corp."
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There's that "We" stuff again. Who is we?
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On 2006-06-05 09:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Maybe Izzy's friend Sue Scheff can advise Izzy on name changes and all that for-profit-OR-not-for-profit-stuff.
In her testimony in the the WWASP vs PURE on page 165, SCHEFF:
"It was orginally Parents Universal Referral Agency.
We changed it to Parents Universal RESOURCE Agency.
...PURE was established as a 501(c) under the PURE Foundation, and later changed within a year to a S-corp."
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Did you mean to say Experts instead of Agency (PURA)?
Also, this is a bit confusing. PURE originally was a non-profit referral agency?
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Sorry: Page 165 of WWASP vs PURE transcript
The words read:
"Agency"
Ms. Scheff's words...not mine.
She does have a way with words, doesn't she?
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Yes, PURE was origianlly a NON-PROFIT according to Scheff's testimony.
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Wonder what Scheff did with all that money she collected for referrals, if she was claiming to be NON-PROFIT? Think she donated it?
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On 2006-06-05 13:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wonder what Scheff did with all that money she collected for referrals, if she was claiming to be NON-PROFIT? Think she donated it?"
This is all really confusing:
http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... itstart=20 (http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=26&func=view&id=228&catid=4&limit=10&limitstart=20)
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On 2006-06-05 17:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-05 13:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wonder what Scheff did with all that money she collected for referrals, if she was claiming to be NON-PROFIT? Think she donated it?"
This is all really confusing:
http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... itstart=20 (http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=26&func=view&id=228&catid=4&limit=10&limitstart=20)
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Specifically, the info posted by Dan The Chainsaw Man:
Sheff started up PURE in February 2001: Page 165 ?PURE was established as a 501(c) under the PURE Foundation, and later changed within a year to a S-Corp.? (SCHEFF)
It was originally organized as Parents Universal Referral Agency, and we changed it to Resouce. (SCHEFF) Page 165
KEVIN RICHEY testimony:
Kevin Richey worked for Teen Help for 7 years.
Page 219 ?Sue Scheff had a lot of referring parents that were coming into the program. I was doing my best to help her get paid on the referrals.?
Question: ?How long did Scheff continue to send referrals??
Richey: ?August of the year I left??2001?
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So PURE was a non-profit when it was started in February 2001 but Scheff continued to refer to WWASP up until August 2001?
Then, sometime thereafer PURE changed to an S Corporation? What's an S Corporation?
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http://caica.org/STORIES%20Sue%20Scheff.htm (http://caica.org/STORIES%20Sue%20Scheff.htm)
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Not all that confusing. Scheff was referring to WWASP at the same time she had opened PURE. She was referring to BOTH WWASP and through PURE at the same time.
Scheff orginally started PURE as a NON-PROFIT, and then changed it to a PROFIT-MAKING CORP.
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You can look up any for or non profit org. in Florida here:
http://www.sunbiz.org/corpweb/inquiry/corinam.html (http://www.sunbiz.org/corpweb/inquiry/corinam.html)
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On 2006-06-05 18:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You can look up any for or non profit org. in Florida here:
http://www.sunbiz.org/corpweb/inquiry/corinam.html (http://www.sunbiz.org/corpweb/inquiry/corinam.html)"
According to this, PURE Foundation was a non-profit corporation with a board of directors that voluntarily dissolved in March 2002.
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On 2006-06-05 19:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-05 18:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You can look up any for or non profit org. in Florida here:
http://www.sunbiz.org/corpweb/inquiry/corinam.html (http://www.sunbiz.org/corpweb/inquiry/corinam.html)"
According to this, PURE Foundation was a non-profit corporation with a board of directors that voluntarily dissolved in March 2002."
Articles of Incorporation, Article 11
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still confused: Is Izzy's Ca Ca site a non-profit or not? Did her friend Sue help her set up Ca Ca the "right" way? Is that what everyone is trying to say?
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http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/emancip ... basted.htm (http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/emancipation/stories/States_oversight_of_school_lambasted.htm)
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From the previous post:
Whoa, hold on---Izzy harassing the government?
From the Salt Lake Tribune on Isabelle Zendher:
"The report also contains a condemning e-mail from CPS caseworker Wanda Lundahl warning Zehnder against tipping media off to the investigation.
"Trust me Isabelle . . . nobody wants to shut this place down more than the Utah 'team,' " wrote Lundahl. "We are all well aware that "clean up" efforts could be going on even as we speak but still, the investigation must be well planned or it will fail to have meaningful results."
The e-mail continued: "I hope and pray that this investigation will be successful in exposing the horrid manner that these kids are being treated."
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Izzy harassing someone? No way (snicker!)
Reaction by Isabelle Zehnder:
Isabelle Zehnder, author of the whistle-blower report mentioned in the Tribune story, has denied calling the school repeatedly, harassing employees, or posing as a CPS worker. Her report is available online at http://www.kidsincaptivity.com (http://www.kidsincaptivity.com).
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On 2006-06-07 16:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"From the previous post:
Whoa, hold on---Izzy harassing the government?
From the Salt Lake Tribune on Isabelle Zendher:
"The report also contains a condemning e-mail from CPS caseworker Wanda Lundahl warning Zehnder against tipping media off to the investigation.
"Trust me Isabelle . . . nobody wants to shut this place down more than the Utah 'team,' " wrote Lundahl. "We are all well aware that "clean up" efforts could be going on even as we speak but still, the investigation must be well planned or it will fail to have meaningful results."
The e-mail continued: "I hope and pray that this investigation will be successful in exposing the horrid manner that these kids are being treated.""
i guess this is exactly why i was warned about her by some of the leading experts in psychology and policy who are working on this issue. you have to be careful who you connect yourself with especially if you think you may want to work to chage things
alliance for a combined joint action or purpose."
i wondered about that *hee hee* because when i think of coalition i think of organizations coming together but obviously no one will do that who is serious under CAICA if IZzY is the only memeber and president. she has no education no leadership skill and talks in circles. After 5 calls a day and hour long talks where it was near impossible to hang up i had to change my number!!
CAICA is a fine idea but needs new leadership and like every other advocacy group can't do much beyond educating because there are no experts working with them, well except emancipation project I think has some therapist? and CAFETy has some MD?? ...even they can't really say shit until data is out. I understand A START will come out with a comprehensive survey soon... still waiting!
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Well, well, well - seems CAICA is now advocating PARENTS HELPING PARENTS. Where, oh where, have we heard that term before?
http://caica.org/Parents%20Helping%20Pa ... %20mod.htm (http://caica.org/Parents%20Helping%20Parents%20-%20beh%20mod.htm)
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Sounds good - parents helping parents - maybe she's trying to get people working togheter. unlike what you see here. get over it already.
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Oh, Fornits doesn't help other parents? Bullshit, again ANON. There's more info on Fornits about the good, bad and ugly side of the troubled teen industry than you'll find anywhere else.
If that doesn't help parents, I don't know what does.
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I'm confused: Is Isabelle a parent?
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On 2006-06-25 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh, Fornits doesn't help other parents? Bullshit, again ANON. There's more info on Fornits about the good, bad and ugly side of the troubled teen industry than you'll find anywhere else.
If that doesn't help parents, I don't know what does.
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Why PURE RESULTS, don't ya know silly?
http://caica.org/NEWS%20PURE%20results.htm (http://caica.org/NEWS%20PURE%20results.htm)
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IZZY likes to organize things: How about organizing a group to attend the Cheryl Sudweeks crminal trial? Let her show her support for a group of 4 kids who are victims of child abuse by the owner of Whitmore Academy.
That should bring out the press.
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Parents helping Parents?
When I hear that, and I see Sue Scheff's name in print, I start thinking PROGRAM and start smelling MONEY, MONEY, MONEY.
IZZY, what are you thinking and smelling?
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On 2006-06-25 12:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"IZZY likes to organize things: How about organizing a group to attend the Cheryl Sudweeks crminal trial? Let her show her support for a group of 4 kids who are victims of child abuse by the owner of Whitmore Academy.
That should bring out the press."
Yeah, she can call a press conference like she did for Majestic Ranch, you know when CAICA blew the whistle on child abuse in Utah. :wink:
http://www.caica.org/MR%20Pictures.htm (http://www.caica.org/MR%20Pictures.htm)
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On 2006-06-25 13:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-25 12:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"IZZY likes to organize things: How about organizing a group to attend the Cheryl Sudweeks crminal trial? Let her show her support for a group of 4 kids who are victims of child abuse by the owner of Whitmore Academy.
That should bring out the press."
Yeah, she can call a press conference like she did for Majestic Ranch, you know when CAICA blew the whistle on child abuse in Utah. :wink:
http://www.caica.org/MR%20Pictures.htm (http://www.caica.org/MR%20Pictures.htm)
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Who is this Tom Coleman dude? Is he part of CAICA?
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On 2006-06-25 12:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm confused: Is Isabelle a parent?"
No, she's a meddling grandmother who ran off half cocked and now has to justify her actions.
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If she's a "grandmother" then suppose at one time she must have been a mother, then, HUH? Still confused.
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On 2006-06-25 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh, Fornits doesn't help other parents? Bullshit, again ANON. There's more info on Fornits about the good, bad and ugly side of the troubled teen industry than you'll find anywhere else.
If that doesn't help parents, I don't know what does.
::both::
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CAICA has to post here. It's the only way IZZY gets anyone to read her crap. She has to post/link it on fornits to get any "readership." Guess she doesn't realize it can just be skipped here too.
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Ya know, that really is what I love about Fornits. Yes, it's brutal at times but it is what it is. There is no 'purpose'. It doesn't claim to help or advocate anyone or anything. It just is.
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You people are amazing - who came up with Izzie is a grandmother? I don't think so....
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Point blank question Mom Cat: are you really going into the referral business with PURE?
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Interesting, how when Izzy posts ANON, the posts are filled with words like "pissing, fuck etc." Cleans up her act when posting under MOM CAT. Nice touch.
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"Being able to give the most up-to-date and most importantly ? accurate - information for families is part of our mission at CAICA." Isabelle Zehnder
Yo! Would somebody please tell Izzie that it's KERRY and CARTER?
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06/27/2006
"ONE OF OUR OWN" IN LOVING MEMORY OF KELLY LAYNE BROWN November 21, 1981 to June 6, 2006.
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06/28/2006
Cotter Lynn died June 7, 2006, just weeks after being interviewed for Joanne Green's "Rough Love" article ..
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Ok, went to check it out and Christ, what the hell is wrong with this lady?
She just updated her website and posted this:
LOVING MEMORY OF CHILDREN WHO HAVE DIED
December 12, 2005 - James White
January 6, 2006 - Martin Lee Anderson
February 4, 2006 - Giovanni "Joey" Aletriz"
June 6, 2006 - Kelly Layne Brown
June 7, 2006 - Corter Lynn
June 17, 2006 - Dillon Tyler Peak
Now it's CORTER?
:eek:
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Yep, and Izzy seems to think, and she stated here on fornits that Whitmore Academy is closed and has no kids there too. Guess because that is what her friend Sue Scheff told her.
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God Almighty ... WTF is this Ms. Iz? Under the death list, you post this?
"In the midst of all the tragedies
A VICTORY: P.U.R.E Satisfaction - Florida Mom prevails, again. Click here."
That is some kind of claim, Ms. Iz.
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Sue Scheff didn't PREVAIL at anything!
Read it.
It simply says there was not enough evidence to convict. That Scheff and Berryman were working independently.
No one won anything---NOT WWASP, not Scheff.
Good Lord.
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Wonder if Izzy read that post saying someone heard, someone said Sue was supposedly advising the Sudweeks at Whitmore to sue CAICA?
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Imagine that--Izzy connecting Sue Scheff's legal dealings to the death of young man. Just gotta do that, huh? Pretty low.
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Get off it already - never seen errors in print before in papers, magazines, etc. etc.?
You people are, well, :wstupid:
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Izzy is the one yelling about ACCURACY!
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IN LOVING MEMORY OF CHILDREN WHO HAVE DIED
December 12, 2005 - James White
January 6, 2006 - Martin Lee Anderson
February 4, 2006 - Giovanni "Joey" Aletriz"
June 6, 2006 - Kerry Layne Brown
June 7, 2006 - Carter Lynn
June 17, 2006 - Dillon Tyler Peak
LIVES CUT SHORT
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You're welcome Izzie.
:wave:
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Hope Izzy fixed that "ROUGH LOVE" thingy. That was funny!!!!
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And, Izzy should have said "thank you" to these proof readers, don't you think?
Can't this woman say "thank you," or "sorry?"
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Maybe the compassionate Izzy woman drinks. Or should.
Ding Dong...
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"In my opinion phone calls should never be restricted between a parent and a child."
Isabelle Zehnder
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Comment #18
I was sent to a residential treatment center in Nephi Utah known as the "Whitmore Academy" when I was fourteen. It was advertised more as a boarding school with a family-like environment. I spent a year there unable to call my parents without the calls being monitored. I was subjected to mind control, verbal, and physical abuse. I was forced to harm other residents who were "acting out" knowing that if I didn't, I would recieve worse treatment. During my time there I learned that they were not accredited as a school, nor were the therapists licensed. With new reality shows making so much money and constantly branching off each other, I'm very worried about the renwed interest in the teen help industry. I can see this easily turning into a fad and spawning a rash of cults and money-making enterprises just like there was in the 80s.
http://www.askquestions.org/details.php?id=209 (http://www.askquestions.org/details.php?id=209)
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Comment #15
Have you attended a BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION PROGRAM, BOOT CAMP, WILDERNESS PROGRAM, or BOARDING SCHOOL? If so, we would like to ask a few questions. 1. How long were you in the program? 2. Do you feel that was too long? 3. While you were in the program, were you a victim of abuse or did you witness abuse? 4. Did you recieve proper education while in the program? 5. Did you receive adequate medical treatment? 6. Were you fed a healthy, well-balanced diet? 7. What was your overall experience like? 8. Did you find it helpful or harmful? 9. How did it affect your relationship with your family? 10. Do you resent your parents for sending you away or do you feel they did the right thing? 11. Do you believe your problems could have been resolved at home with local help rather than being sent away? 12. Do you feel you were sent away as a necessity or more a convenience for your parents? Answers to these questions will help us determine whether programs, as a whole, are helpful or harmful, and will serve to help us determine alternative solutions for parents. We appreciate your feedback. For more information, please visit: http://www.caica.org (http://www.caica.org) http://www.nospank.net (http://www.nospank.net) http://www.tbfight.com (http://www.tbfight.com)
IS TB Fight involved with CAICA?
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Unregulated programs are not helpful, as a whole, because there are NO SAFEGUARDS in place to protect children and parents.
More like, "Feeling Lucky"? Wanna take a gamble with your kid's physical and psychological well-being?
:roll:
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Why would a so-called child advocate (Isabelle Zehnder) refer parents to a referral agency (PURE)that admits to being paid by the programs she refers to, a practice that is hardly considered in the best interests of children for the obvious apppearance of impropriety and conflict of interest?
Either you are dedicated to exposing instutionalized child abuse to help protect children from being preyed upon by ed cons and referral agencies OR you aren't. There is no middle ground. These ed cons and referral agencies are NOT REGULATED, just like the industry itself. They are the way most of these poor kids end up in these facilities. Do you think WWASPS parents and children are the only ones impacted by the referral industry? Of course they aren't. Do you really believe in PURE RESULTS, whatever that means?
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What are the names of these programs who pay finder's fees?
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Read the WWASPS v. PURE transcripts. The programs names are listed along with testimony that explains how the process works.
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FORNITS has a topic thread reserved for ed cons and referral agencies:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=40&198 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=40&198)
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Isabelle at CAICA is talking out of both sides of her mouth: as long as she strongly supports Sue Scheff/PURE...she is supporting PROGRAMS. It is that simple.
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On 2006-06-30 09:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Isabelle at CAICA is talking out of both sides of her mouth: as long as she strongly supports Sue Scheff/PURE...she is supporting PROGRAMS. It is that simple."
Is CAICA a non profit? I do not see anything whatsoever on her website to indicate she is a non-profit as claimed in that article about Spring Creek Lodge so why the DOT ORG?
:idea:
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On 2006-06-30 07:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What are the names of these programs who pay finder's fees? "
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8061&forum=9 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8061&forum=9)
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A post from that link:
This is a COMPLETE list of PURE programs some they stopped refering to for a differnt number of reasons (non-payment and conditional licesing and the program simply ask that PURE stop refering to them then spoke out against them.
Red Rock Academy
Cedar Mountain Academy
Sorenson?s Ranch
Lost Legacy Ranch
Oak ridge military academy
Turning Point
Reality Ranch
Summit Achievement
Skyline Journey
Glacier Mountain Academy
Kids Peace
Harbor House for Girls
Safe Harbor
Harbor House for Boys
High Top Ranch
New Horizons Youth Ministries
Whitmore Academy
* Lost Legacy is incorrect, the correct name is LOTT'S LEGACY.
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Article about Sorenson's and High Top:
http://www.cartercenter.org/doc354.htm (http://www.cartercenter.org/doc354.htm)
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And IZZY promotes Sue Scheff and PURE?
What an advocate against child abuse, huh?
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New Horizons Youth Ministries
See What Alumni Have to Say:
http://www.nhym-alumni.org/ (http://www.nhym-alumni.org/)
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New Horizons...one of the places Sue Scheff refers to.
WAKE UP, Izzy.
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WTF ?
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IS TB Fight involved with CAICA?
Many people post my site's url without telling me. This is one of those cases. ALthough, I support anyone working to shut down/regulate WWASPS programs, there is no direct correlation between tbfight.com and any other site -- except cafety.org (which I helped design and actively participate in)... That's it :smile:
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On 2006-07-01 21:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"IS TB Fight involved with CAICA?
Many people post my site's url without telling me. This is one of those cases. ALthough, I support anyone working to shut down/regulate WWASPS programs, there is no direct correlation between tbfight.com and any other site -- except cafety.org (which I helped design and actively participate in)... That's it :nworthy:
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On 2006-06-30 10:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-30 09:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Isabelle at CAICA is talking out of both sides of her mouth: as long as she strongly supports Sue Scheff/PURE...she is supporting PROGRAMS. It is that simple."
Is CAICA a non profit? I do not see anything whatsoever on her website to indicate she is a non-profit as claimed in that article about Spring Creek Lodge so why the DOT ORG?
:idea: "
I think at one time there may have been plans to have a board of directors and that's why it was mentioned in the article?
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Has IZ become a Scientologist? CCHR is just as crazy as Tom Cruise, haevenly match. or should I say match made in Mars.
http://caica.org/Psychiatry%20no%20scie ... 0cures.htm (http://caica.org/Psychiatry%20no%20science%20no%20cures.htm)
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Pro-Scientology? Who the hell knows? I'm still waiting to find out if she really believes in PURE RESULTS (whatever the hell that is).
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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High Top and Sorenson (another Sue Scheff referral)
Koosherem, Utah
Mother?s Complaint Prompts State to Move Kids from Utah
By
Pat Bellinghausen
22 Apr 2000
Driving 900 miles was a tough trip for a Billings mother whose 12-year-old son needed intensive mental health care.
The family?s dilemma became more difficult when they took a look at their destination: A ranch for troubled youth.
Montana?s Medicaid program would have paid $125 a day for the care of Barbara Kelly?s son at this remote facility southeast of Salt Lake City. But the therapeutic program she observed didn?t appear to be what a brochure and Web site had described, Kelly said upon returning to Billings. Connie Wolff, a family friend from Ekalaka who accompanied the mother and son to southern Utah, told The Gazette that she shared Kelly?s concerns about safety and lack of facilities.
Kelly brought her son back to Billings and notified the Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services.
Within days, the Montana Addictive and Mental Disorders Division in Helena had directed that all Montana children be transferred out of the High Top Academy near Koosharem, Utah, the facility that was the subject of complaint.
These youngsters were moved to the main campus of Sorenson?s Ranch School, which operates the High Top Academy, according to Dave Bennetts of the Addictive and Mental Disorders Division in Helena.
The AMD then followed up by directing that no more Montana youth can be referred to Sorenson?s Ranch, pending investigation of the complaint. However, the division didn?t move to relocate the nine Montana youths in care at the main campus.
?We totally agree with Mrs. Kelly,? Bennetts said. ?We have kids who were inappropriately placed at High Top. It was not the services we contracted for.?
He said the AMD Division is ?looking into whether there was inappropriate payment.? He said Sorenson?s Ranch representatives have been cooperative and helpful in telephone conversations.
Shane Sorenson, director of Sorenson?s Ranch School, said High Top Academy is a separate facility from Sorenson?s Ranch School with different ownership. However, he said the High Top Academy was started up by and licensed through Sorenson?s. He said the two facilities make referrals to each other and that High Top serves younger children.
Montana?s Medicaid program doesn?t inspect out-of-state programs, although health or probation officials may visit some facilities. Medicaid will pay for residential treatment in a facility that is licensed by the state in which it operates and is accredited by the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Health Organizations, a nationally-recognized accrediting firm.
Sorenson?s Ranch School meets those criteria and was on a list of Medicaid-approved residential treatment facilities for youth.
But at least four Montana youth, not including Kelly?s son, were placed at the High Top Academy, about 2 miles from the main ranch. According to the Utah Division of Licensing, the High Top Ranch is licensed for a lower level of care than residential treatment.
The High Top Academy has not been reviewed by the JCAHO, which last surveyed and accredited the Sorenson?s ranch in October 1998, according to JCAHO spokeswoman Donna Larkin in Oak Brook, Ill.
According to Allan Hayward, a supervisor in the Utah Department of Human Services in Salt Lake City, High Top Academy is licensed by Utah for ?residential support? of 20 adolescent males, ages 13-17. Hayward said the main ranch is licensed for 125 youth, ages 13 to 18.
Montana children who were moved from the High Top Academy to the main ranch were ages 10, 11 and two age 13, Bennetts said.
Hayward said the Utah Division of Licensing soon will be inspecting the High Top Academy because its annual license is due for renewal in May,
Kelly said Montana should have inspected the Utah facilities before Montana children were sent there, but she commended the Addictive and Mental Disorders Division for its response to her complaint.
?I?m really proud of Dave Bennetts and Lou Thompson for moving on this,? she said.
As for her son, the boy is at home while the family waits for an opening in residential treatment at Yellowstone Boys and Girls Ranch near Billings.
Paying for the car trip to Utah was tough, Kelly said, but she is thankful that she was able to go down and see the place herself, something she said most parents aren?t able to do.
?These kids, they are Medicaid and welfare placements. Their parents can?t afford to take them down,? Kelly said. ?Any place we?re going to put Montana kids, somebody should at least look at it.?
Used with permission of the Billings Gazette, copyright 1999
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On 2006-07-03 11:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Has IZ become a Scientologist? CCHR is just as crazy as Tom Cruise, haevenly match. or should I say match made in Mars.
http://caica.org/Psychiatry%20no%20scie ... 0cures.htm (http://caica.org/Psychiatry%20no%20science%20no%20cures.htm)"
and just like that, Gone! poof ::bigsmilebounce::
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What did it say?
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All hail Xenu.
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On 2006-07-04 12:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"All hail Xenu."
:lol:
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On 2006-07-04 12:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"All hail Xenu."
On 2006-07-04 12:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"All hail Xenu."
I read it, something coming from the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, CCHR, said about pyschiatry being a fraud basically, it was very Tom Cruisy and questioning the legitimacy of mental illness.
While I agree that over-medication is not the answer and used to often by default, and that violations of human rights is not acceptable, I think that their hidden agenda of solving human issue with some alien fantasy and made up sci fi diaretics? (hehe) dia-whatever they call it- is equally as abhorrent. abhorrent over funny as hell and absurd if only because their preaching really harms people who need help!
So here's what i think and please poke holes in this all you want because I've thought about this issue a lot and can't get past this initial assesment on mental illness and modern day society.
I don't think mental illness is figment of psychologists and psychiatrists imaginations- I think true disroders exists, but I think that much of what is labeled as such comes from, sustains and perpetuates itself because of the manner in which we exist in and among each other, relate to one another and the systems we have in place that sustains inequality, particularly the way our economic system feeds/hinders our political 'democracy' and effects/hinders our civil society which in turn goes on to sustain teh status quo, our economic system.
So long as we don't provide a space for those who are ill equipped to function within the constraints of our free market fundamentalist society, where it's survival of the fittest (unless some philanthropist or government body comes along to support you in a necessarily paternal way) and those who can't prevail economically live with the stigma of 'mental illness' as someone who is damaged goods, or worse, lazy and at fault, will always ultimately prevail. There's a reason those who are responsiblle for acting as caretaker within our society are paid the least, care is not valued in any particular politicized manner.
I think that, at it's root, it's fundamentally a problem of representatin within our democracy and ultimately capitalism, where there are winners and loser, tend to be hindered in the ways that require follow through within and as defined by our economic system and sustained by our social mores b/c of this commitment to competition as individuals and as a nation for the sake of personal, economic and political domination.
We are not judged fairly, by our capacity and by true efforts, which never made much sense to me. Doesn't it make sense? Can't we think beyond this silly division of labor that leaves some people on doing some tedious job and others jetsetting enjoying a variety of things, why should that variety be a luxury?
Hamilton believed there were those aristocrats (smart hence rich, huh?) who needed to be protected from the lazy and poor, as if there are millions of 'those' people (why not the lazy and rich?), so part of the justification of our government was for the purpose of mediating, to make sure that the owners of means of production have their rights to delegate services to profit from the backs of their workers protected.
Whatever your opinion on servitude aside,
the quandry ends up being in my view that, much like assuming kids are manipulative and should be censored, the poor need to go through a beauracratic mess to get what is due to them when they relinquish their right to self governance to the governement, if they can't make a living the 'normal' way they must be protected. But, by assuming that these folks must be, or are more often than not, free loaders the obstacles are enourmous, the stigma attatched to being in some way inacapable of 'pulling yourself up by your boot straps' is enourmous!
So here we have in some ways the suspision of mental illness in society, the stigma it creates becuase of our irrational commitment to independence and autonomy (this twitsted notion of freedom in my opinion), commitment to protecting the rich from the poor, the poor- the needy, the ones NO BODY wants to be NEEDY in our society.
thus we have unequal wealth wich =unequal power which =unequal influence=unequal democracy -----> mentally ill not only get the short end of the stick but they and their advocates get the short end in terms of represnetation as the less than people of our nation and it perpetuates itself. The unequal power relations should be considered a joke, in my view, now adays, passing off as freedom. bah!
Capitalism alienates people, division of labor whereby care work is of MUCH LESS value, with the tremendous difference in pay for same or more effort, where racism and sexism rear it's ugly head systematically. We're not pay for effort, bu paid for ownership- some say pay for risk but that's just ridiculous and an unjustifiable rational, it's a symptom of the problem. it's unequal- things like inheritance, generally basic luck in terms of access to resources etc for stepping up in the heirarchy)... which has nothing to do with one's own value, particularly once we start to recognize what femenists have argued all along, we're interdependent, period, not like spores at Hobbes says, which has influenced American political thought greatly, that we form sponstaneously from and that we exists without connection to one another, which results in i think what arrises today, mostly on the Conservative front, but also by the left- the 'mentally ill' flounder, their alienation doesn't subside, the social stigma supported by what I've said above exacerbated their condition, which I would think
I would even aruge these 'environmental' which are social, economic but mostly political conditions CREATE mental illness.
They will be the different people in this system trying to deal with the shame that exists, being the person who no body wants to be, having to rely on paternal bs... you know, the charity cases.
I hope this makes sense.
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meant to say Madison not Hamilton.
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And of course the money you get has absolutely nothing to do with whether you choose to study for a career that has you sitting in class solving differential equations versus classes on the epistemologic deconstruction of modern neo-romantic fan-developed erotic webfiction.
Because, of course, people need someone to sweep the floor in the office where they work just as much as they need a bridge over the river to get to that office---and especially more than they need a bridge that won't fall down and dump hundreds of rush hour commuters into the river to drown.
But gee, division of labor is so eeeevil. Why can't I be a floor sweeper one day and a civil engineer the next if I feel like it?
Hey, what's a few thousand deaths when an ill-designed office building collapses next to remaking the world to conform to my self-gratifying fantasies. Let me prick your finger with a lancet today to get a dot on a little blood test card, but pay me as much as the guy in the lab company who designed the card, or the doctor who ordered the test. Then tomorrow I want to be an architect, because it's cool and at my age I really need a desk job now. Hey, the next day maybe I should be a pilot! Ya think? Maybe I'd like that. I dunno, though. Maybe it wouldn't work for me. That takeoff and landing thing makes my ears pop.
I actually had a forty year old much-unemployed aircraft mechanic ask me what he needed to do to get into the top ten public university I graduated from, as if he could just fill out the right paperwork or take a class at a community college and walk right in the door. Because he couldn't move around as well as he used to and thought he'd kinda like to be an architect. Even if they let him in tomorrow, he'd flunk out in two terms. It would take two because it's impossible, by the rules, to flunk out in just one no matter how badly you crash and burn.
But sure, everybody's work is worth just as much financially as everybody else's.
The mind boggles.
Julie
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o/~
Baby wants to marry money
She's tired of costume bills
She's tired of lines of credit from mother
Reminding her what's real
Baby's tired of transit trains
Tired of lines of credit
Baby wants something strong and German
She can't get in bed
I saw those wedding pictures
They looked so solemn in their coats and tails
But Baby wants to marry money
Baby will prevail
Baby wants to marry money
Next time it best be real
Baby wants the whole world ordered
According to how she thinks and feels
Baby's tired of far out places
Baby wants to stay
Baby's got some airs and graces
But who knows someday
I saw those wedding pictures
They looked so strangled in their ties and veils
But Baby wants to marry money
Money will prevail. o/~
[The Revenants]
Different fantasy, same desire to have the whole world your way, have it all, and have it now.
Julie
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On 2006-06-03 19:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does CAICA have a Board of Directors?
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IZ 1, IZ 2, IZ 3, IZ 4, IZ 5 are the board. the woman has no one, who can work with her!
According to this press release there is one person who is willing to work with her:
" ... In connection with assisting parents, PURE helps organizations such as Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse (CAICA www.caica.org (http://www.caica.org)) to insure that children are kept safe and are not placed in abusive environments. PURE is also involved in the distribution of ?What Every Parent Needs to Know,? an informational DVD that further educates parents on how to find the right programs and schools for their family and teen. "
http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp ... &aId=15110 (http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?SESSIONID=&aId=15110)
Note:
Press Release written by Boyd Hooper
PR/Consultant
Family180
:rofl: Family 180?
On Struggling Teens:
PURE UPDATES WEBSITE
(June 12, 2006) Boyd Hooper, Family180 Consultants, 801-380-3525, announced that Sue Scheff, founder of Parent Universal Resource Experts (PURE), has launched their re-designed website. More...
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5317.shtml (http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/article_5317.shtml)
Boyd Hooper former ADMISSIONS DIRECTOR of Sunrise Academy
SUNRISE ACADEMY JOINS PSYCHIATRIC SOLUTIONS INC.
(January 21, 2004) Boyd Hooper www.sunriseacademyrtc.com (http://www.sunriseacademyrtc.com), 801-380-3525, announced the academy has become part of Psychiatric Solutions, Inc. of Tennessee. ?By joining Psychiatric Solutions, Sunrise Academy gains access to a broad array of behavioral healthcare resources that will allow it to expand its services while maintaining its excellent reputation. Psychiatric Solutions, Inc. offers an extensive continuum of behavioral health programs to critically ill children, adolescents and adults through its operation of 23 owned or leased freestanding psychiatric inpatient facilities with more than 2,800 beds. The Company also manages freestanding psychiatric inpatient facilities for government agencies and psychiatric inpatient units within general acute care hospitals owned by others.? Sunrise Academy provides behavioral health services to girls between the ages of 12-17 years.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... heard.html (http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2004/2/feb04seennheard.html)
QUESTION: Was Sunrise Academy one of the programs Sue Scheff referred to?
What other programs, if any, is Boyd Hooper connected with?
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We were referred to Sunrise Academy by Sue Scheff in October 2004, and talked to Boyd Hooper there; but Sue Scheff convinced us to enrolled our daughter at Whitmore Academy.
Big, big mistake to enroll at Whitmore Academy to say the least.
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Joyce, You better be careful what you say. Sue Scheff might sue you for defamation or some other cock-a-mamie b/s. Sue's mama named her right for her character. Sue Sue Sue Sue Sue
Sue versus Carey
Sue versus Some Dude
Sue versus WWASP
Sue versus Husbandd
Sue versus Ginger
Sue versus Utah Program
Soon to be Sue versus Joyce---can't mention Sue-Sue's name or Zap!
:rofl: ::bwahaha:: ::bigmouth:: ::hatter::
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Why should I be "careful what I say?"
Sue Scheff referred our family to Sunrise Academy, and we spoke to Boyd Hooper, who was the Admissions Director, about this facility. That is a FACT. There is nothing to be "careful" about. We followed Sue Scheff's recommendation, when she referred us to Whitmore Academy, and we enrolled our daughter, I am sad to say..
Joyce Harris
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Has anyone noticed CAICA new webpage design? Seems she's all about protection now yet sees nothing wrong with recommending unregulated children's programs by way of supporting her friend and colleague (her own words) Sue Scheff of PURE?
Second, what is up with this advocate of the month stuff? She's got a picture of herself on there (but nothing of Cathy Sutton who attended the event with her and whose daughter is prominently featured on CAICA's victims' presentation display)? WTF is THAT all about? Isabelle even mentions herself in the other advocate of the month, Sue Scheff's, description.
Third, how many times and ways can Isabelle promote the PURE v. Bock lawsuit? Personally, I lost count.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Lin to Advocate of the Month page:
http://caica.org/ADVOCATE%20Cathy%20Corry%20FLorida.htm (http://caica.org/ADVOCATE%20Cathy%20Corry%20FLorida.htm)
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Why does Izzy refer to "a group...and they" who defamed Sue Scheff? Didn't Scheff only sue one person, Carey Bock; not some GROUP of people?
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I luv the new BS on how great "some" escort services can be. Izzy has an article about a lady who only "kidnaps" kids by force when she thinks the school isn't abusive. What is going on here?
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What is going on here? It's called fraud. Scheff tries to promote herself and wag her finger at her competition Bob Lichfield of WWASP. That's what's going on here.
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I think she's trying to show that not all transports are bad like not all programs are bad. It's unreal to think they are. Folks, there are some nice people left in the world.
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The basic concept of TBS and RTC is bad. Period.
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I think she's trying to show that not all transports are bad like not all programs are bad. It's unreal to think they are. Folks, there are some nice people left in the world.
Whitmore was abusive and she still referred there. What's to say that anything she recommends is safe?
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I don't care what's she trying to show. IMO, Isabelle (CAICA) is a joke. Nominating her own friend and colleague as adovcate of the month is just too damn funny for me to take this lady seriously. That, and the testimonals page which is all about what people around the WORLD are saying about CAICA. Including an email from someone named Cynthia that Isabelle published TWICE on the same page Whoops. :rofl:
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::puke::
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Tampa's Fox 13 story and interview with SueSue
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/myfox/page ... geId=3.2.1 (http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=1198918&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1)
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Jealousy is ugly.
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Jealousy is ugly.
Sue and Izzy and your Texan friends--------------
why dont you dumb asses get off of a fornits, stop writing notes to yourselves and disappear.
cant do it can ya? cause you both love to read anything you can about your stupid asses dont ya?
so sue us. come on ya fat f-s.
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I think I heard the newscaster say (paraphrasing here) that the defendant, Carey Bock, did not show up for trial making it easier for the plaintiff to win her judgement.
Anybody else hear that?
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I think I heard the newscaster say (paraphrasing here) that the defendant, Carey Bock, did not show up for trial making it easier for the plaintiff to win her judgement.
Anybody else hear that?
more than that. it made it impossible for scheff NOT to win.
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Glad it's getting a lot of press. May be it will catch the attention of a bulldog attorney out there who would represent Bock pro bono. This is not just about Carey. This was not a good precedent to set. The public doesn't have all the facts. Just another fucking sad case of who has the most dollars 'wins' and shall spin the story to their benefit.
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The jury said you can't just go out there and destroy lives.
The irony.
Happens everyday in teen warehouses.
Vindicated?
No Sue, you bought yourself a verdict.
I hope Karma bites you in the ass, and sooner rather than later.
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Glad it's getting a lot of press. May be it will catch the attention of a bulldog attorney out there who would represent Bock pro bono. This is not just about Carey. This was not a good precedent to set. The public doesn't have all the facts. Just another fucking sad case of who has the most dollars 'wins' and shall spin the story to their benefit.
Since Ms. Bock has not issued any further statements, it's hard to know whether anyone is interested in representing her pro-bono on appeal. Certainly, it would not have hurt for her to contact those who spoke out against the verdict on the chance they might have the resources to at least file an appeal before the time clock runs out.
The good news is I have done some research on the question of this case setting any real legal precedent and it looks to me like most media lawyers believe that is unlikely because Ms. Bock was not represented at trial. No defense means there was NO argument. No cross examine of the plaintiff, her witnesses, any experts paid (or not) to testify, etc. If you think about it, that makes a lot of sense. The case wasn't put to the test. The judge heard no opposing argument. Whatever he based his decision on was only half the story. The jurors, as I understand it, were charged with determining damages, only, which is a far cry from debating evidence presented by both parties, IMO.
All things considered, the verdict has an unmistakable "hollow" ring to it that no amount of "spin" can really change, IMO, because the defendant was not present at trial. That is the elephant in the room no one can ignore, try as they might.
::bandit::
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Sue Scheff and PURE Win Empty Victory over New Orleans Mom
International Survivors Action Committee (ISAC)
10/9/2006 9:21:45 PM
BROWARD COUNTY, FLORIDA (October 10, 2006) - On September 19, 2006, Parents Universal Resource Experts, Inc. (PURE) and its founder, Sue Scheff of Weston, Florida won an $11.3 million dollar victory of hollow sorts over a single mom from New Orleans by alleging defamation over the Internet. Although it is doubtful the verdict will be collected, it may serve to chill free speech of those attempting to expose child abuse or untoward business practices.
The mom, Carey Bock, had publicly criticized the business practices of Scheff and PURE in referring children to allegedly abusive programs. Scheff met the mother?s complaints with a lawsuit reminiscent of one filed against Scheff in 2001.
The mom lacked the financial resources to defend herself or to attend her own trial in Florida. Before trial, Ms. Bock relocated her small family from the New Orleans area to Texas in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. This, however, did not stop Scheff and PURE from coming full-steam after the mom for alleged defamation and other claims. As a result, without the benefit of hearing the mom?s side of the story, a jury had little choice but to award the $11.3 million dollar verdict requested by the lawyer for Scheff and her company.
According to the Daily Business Review, Scheff also named Ginger Warbis as co-defendant. Warbis, who runs a web site critical of Scheff, obtained a well-known lawyer who successfully defeated Scheff?s claims of defamation: ?Warbis? lawyer, Philip Elberg, of Medvin & Elberg of Newark, New Jersey, sharply criticized Scheff and other people who refer parents to programs for troubled teens. ?People in this industry have consistently used their money and their access to lawyers to silence critics of the industry and this may be one of those examples,? Elberg said. ?Sue Scheff is simply another person in the industry of people who make money from the plight of frightened parents.??
The Daily Business Review, noting that Scheff won effectively only by default, paraphrased Scheff?s attorney, stating, ?Bock was not present for the jury trial, which was held to determine damages only. . . .?
Ironically, a separate lawsuit had been filed in Utah against Scheff and PURE by the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs (WWASP), containing similar allegations as those raised by Scheff against the New Orleans mom. Scheff lost all counter-claims against WWASP but was not found liable for claims of damage allegedly caused when Scheff posted Internet statements asserting child abuse by WWASP. Scheff admitted she used false names to do so. While her case pended, Scheff removed representations from her web site which falsely stated Scheff holds a college degree.
The recent Florida verdict also ignored abuse allegations at children?s programs to which Scheff refers families because the jury never heard the opposing evidence. The owner of one such program to which Scheff made referrals, Whitmore Academy, was initially charged with multiple counts of child abuse and hazing in connection with four children at the boarding school. The owner recently pled no contest to four counts of hazing, and was ordered to pay fines and complete community service. The prosecuting attorney told the Deseret News, ?I believe it effectively shuts them down in the state of Utah.? According to a September 2006 news article by the Deseret News, ?The former operator of a therapeutic school [Whitmore Academy] for troubled youths, who has been kicked out of Mexico and accused of starving horses in Canada, has agreed not to run another rehabilitation school in Juab County.?
The allegations of child abuse did not deter Scheff from enrolling children for a profitable sum of money. In a separate case, the United States Court of Appeals found that defendants PURE and Sue Scheff, "[C]ompete with the schools associated with World Wide. PURE schools pay Ms. Scheff a substantial sum whenever a child enrolls in its program based on her recommendation."
According to the non-profit International Survivors Action Committee (ISAC), Scheff and her company are on the ISAC ?watch list? for questionable practices that may place children at risk for abuse or neglect. ####
Sources:
http://www.isaccorp.org/ (http://www.isaccorp.org/)
http://www.helpatanycost.com/ (http://www.helpatanycost.com/)
http://www.isaccorp.org/referrals.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/referrals.asp)
http://michellesuttonmemorial.homestead.com/ (http://michellesuttonmemorial.homestead.com/)
http://www.help-for-teen.com/ (http://www.help-for-teen.com/)
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/home.html (http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/home.html)
http://www.wwaspinfo.com/ (http://www.wwaspinfo.com/)
http://www.teenhelpindustry.info/ (http://www.teenhelpindustry.info/)
http://www.paulareeves.com/ (http://www.paulareeves.com/)
http://www.ethicaltreatment.org/ (http://www.ethicaltreatment.org/)
http://www.kathymoya.com/index.html (http://www.kathymoya.com/index.html)
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YEAH, WHERE'S THE BEEF?
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How does one get a copy of the transcripts? I want to know what the plaintiff presented as evidence and also, who testified and what the nature of their testimony was. I mean, did the judge cross examine them or what? Did Scheff take the stand? Were exhibits offered? HOW DID THE JUDGE instruct the jurors? What did he say about the defendant not being present? These are just a few questions I have.
Are transcripts avaiable for purchase to the public? I have seen transcripts online before (WWASPS v. PURE) so I am wondering if the transcripts are posted somewhere?
Thanks!
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Yes, most likely the judge and jury did not know why Bock called Scheff a ed con, fraud and what ever else she called her.
Most likely they, the judge and jury, did not see the testimony that Bock posted here on Fornits and the emails exchanged that showed why she believed Scheff was all of those things she called her.
This whole case has become a marketing ploy for Scheff. Her paying all the money she paid for this case to go to court, knowing she would probably never be able to collect a dime, really has been money well spent. Look at all the attention she is getting from it. Good or bad, it is still attention.
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How does one get a copy of the transcripts? I want to know what the plaintiff presented as evidence and also, who testified and what the nature of their testimony was. I mean, did the judge cross examine them or what? Did Scheff take the stand? Were exhibits offered? HOW DID THE JUDGE instruct the jurors? What did he say about the defendant not being present? These are just a few questions I have.
Are transcripts avaiable for purchase to the public? I have seen transcripts online before (WWASPS v. PURE) so I am wondering if the transcripts are posted somewhere?
Thanks!
ISAC?
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Yes, most likely the judge and jury did not know why Bock called Scheff a ed con, fraud and what ever else she called her.
Most likely they, the judge and jury, did not see the testimony that Bock posted here on Fornits and the emails exchanged that showed why she believed Scheff was all of those things she called her.
This whole case has become a marketing ploy for Scheff. Her paying all the money she paid for this case to go to court, knowing she would probably never be able to collect a dime, really has been money well spent. Look at all the attention she is getting from it. Good or bad, it is still attention.
Yup, and let's not forget CAICA seemingly riding the wave of attention too.
:rofl:
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Wonder why IZZY isn't posting these so-called landmark case transcripts on CA-CA????
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No only jealous, but very mature :lol:
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Wonder why IZZY isn't posting these so-called landmark case transcripts on CA-CA????
:D Hmmm. Maybe she can't get them. They are expensive from what I hear. Perhaps SS will donate them to her good friend and colleague Isabelle. Or, if Carey has them, she can donate them to ISAC? I like this suggestion better as it would mean I wouldn't have to visit the CAICA website -- something that tends to give me a splitting headache for some reason.
:D
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Any word yet on whether Bock is going to appeal?
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Look in the mirror on the wall Sue and repeat the truth:
"I Sue Scheff am a con artist and a fraud".
Wouldnt it be interesting if a court heard Sue on tape calling herself a con artist?
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You too Izzy. Same exercise with the mirror.
Izzy---------the problem is not whether there are good or bad programs out there---------the problem is that neither you nor Sue Scheff can tell the difference between a good one or a bad one. your self promotors and money grubbers.
Duh.
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Jealousy is ugly.
Sending kids off to abusive facilities for profit is ugly. Bitch.
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I think I heard the newscaster say (paraphrasing here) that the defendant, Carey Bock, did not show up for trial making it easier for the plaintiff to win her judgement.
Anybody else hear that?
Yes, she did say that.
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Jealousy is ugly.
Sending kids off to abusive facilities for profit is ugly. Bitch.
ditto you two total bitches. you also had to stick your noses into a lawsuit that does not concern you, giving ken kay ammunition to say it was started by a "competitor". you two (yes you dumb ass Isabelle and you dumb fuck Sue), you both need to butt your asses out of what is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. you fat old rags. while your at it-get the hell out of the country. PIGS
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Jealousy is ugly.
Sending kids off to abusive facilities for profit is ugly. Bitch.
ditto you two total bitches. you also had to stick your noses into a lawsuit that does not concern you, giving ken kay ammunition to say it was started by a "competitor". you two (yes you dumb ass Isabelle and you dumb fuck Sue), you both need to butt your asses out of what is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. you fat old rags. while your at it-get the hell out of the country. PIGS
I take it you haven't heard the latest news?
"CAICA GOES INTERNATIONAL"
http://www.caica.org (http://www.caica.org)
What this means, I do not know (nor care) but I suspect the IZ will gladly keep us all posted.
Parlay Voo Fransay?
:rofl:
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Yes, most likely the judge and jury did not know why Bock called Scheff a ed con, fraud and what ever else she called her.
Most likely they, the judge and jury, did not see the testimony that Bock posted here on Fornits and the emails exchanged that showed why she believed Scheff was all of those things she called her.
This whole case has become a marketing ploy for Scheff. Her paying all the money she paid for this case to go to court, knowing she would probably never be able to collect a dime, really has been money well spent. Look at all the attention she is getting from it. Good or bad, it is still attention.
According to this news report, Scheff took a second out on her home to pay her legal costs.
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Susan Scheff, of Weston, Fla., recently won $11.3 million in a defamation suit against a Louisiana woman who posted messages on the Internet accusing her of being a "crook," a "con artist" and a "fraud."
"I never expect to collect $11.3 million," said Scheff, who took a second mortgage on her home to pay the legal tab. "She went out there and discredited me and destroyed me and my family on the Internet. ... Whenever you Googled me, you saw these things."
Scheff has a business called Parents Universal Resource Experts that helps parents of troubled children find services such as schools.
Denver Post
November 22, 2006
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... Whenever you Googled me, you saw these things."
::bwahaha:: Still do. Those things and more.
:rofl: :rofl:
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A second mortgage on her home to pay the legal bills?
Thought it was reported she was a "trust fund baby?" Don't "trust fund babies" own thier home free-and clear; and just roll in money?
Thought it was also reported that insurance picked up Mr. Pollack's fees.
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When CAICA first formed, it solicited donations claiming that it had filed with the IRS as a tax-exempt non-profit org. and was awaiting official confirmation.
CAICA used to be called Kids in Captivity.
Personally, I would be very reluctant to donate any money to this org. given the lack of transparency.
If it's a non-profit, where is the IRS verification?
Check out the ISAC website which is a 501 (c) 3 non profit which means donations are tax-deductible. They provide information on how to verify their non-profit IRS status.
http://www.issaccorp.org (http://www.issaccorp.org)
This does NOT appear to be the case with CAICA as far as I can tell.