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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Tha Truth on June 27, 2005, 04:04:00 AM

Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Tha Truth on June 27, 2005, 04:04:00 AM
I'm back...just wanted to clarify a few more things.

1) Just because a parent places their child in a program or treatment facility does not mean that they're passing the buck on their parental duties. I'm not saying that there are never such cases, but the majority of the parents that sent their kids to the Whitmore did it because they believed it was for their child's benefit. Believe me, they regret every moment their children were stuck there.

2) To all posters who were never at the Whit, anonymous and otherwise: "Mouse" WAS a student, I knew her personally. Her name is Caitlyn but for some inane reason she's choosing to go by "Angelina".

3) I can't speak for everyone involved in the civil suit, but I know for a fact that most of the parents' main objective is not the money. Chances are that no one will be reimbursed the $42,000 anyway.

4) Sue Scheff SHOULD be held accountable for her incredible irresponsibility. Taking parents who are at their wit's end and manipulating their trust just for a little kick-back is vile. You really can't sink much lower than cheating someone in a time of intense need.

5) To everyone making ridiculous accusations:
Just because people post here does not mean they are "neglecting their children" that they are "losers" or, that they "have no life". It's taken me all of about ten minutes to type what I have thus far and this is much longer than the average post. I might add that I am doing this after a full day of other activities that make up MY life (yes, I have one). Isn't that a little hypocritical too? In order to tell everyone posting here that they're losers, you'd have to post too - right?

6) To everyone using sexist, racial, or any other slurs: You are the perfect example of what no one wants to be. Bitter. Self-righteuos. Cynical. You are not encouraging anyone to see your point of view. When you speak that way towards people, they'll automatically dismiss your opinion with the first words that come out of your mouth. Narrow-minded people aren't really known for their intuition.

7) In conclusion: I really hope that this can be worked out in such a way as to minimize any more  pain on either side. On that note, to the people who were never at the Whitmore or the parent of a   prisoner there (or another abusive program): You did not have to live through that ordeal. Your unfounded, biting comments are not helping anyone. You're aggravating a situation in which you have no business being involved.

PEACE

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"Tha truth will find you out"[ This Message was edited by: Tha Truth on 2005-06-27 01:10 ]
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: OverLordd on June 27, 2005, 08:45:00 AM
Yay, first to respond, ok then, I will reply point by point.

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1) Just because a parent places their child in a program or treatment facility does not mean that they're passing the buck on their parental duties. I'm not saying that there are never such cases, but the majority of the parents that sent their kids to the Whitmore did it because they believed it was for their child's benefit. Believe me, they regret every moment their children were stuck there

Well, I disagree here on the passing of the buck, because thats what this whole thing is esentally, "I cant control him/her, so im going to give him/her to some one who can 'fix' her" That sounds like passing the buck to me. While many parents think they are helping their child, it really is passing the kid around.

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2) To all posters who were never at the Whit, anonymous and otherwise: "Mouse" WAS a student, I knew her personally. Her name is Caitlyn but for some inane reason she's choosing to go by "Angelina".

Ok... ::shrugs:: I never really disbelieved that.

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3) I can't speak for everyone involved in the civil suit, but I know for a fact that most of the parents' main objective is not the money. Chances are that no one will be reimbursed the $42,000 anyway.


The man (sorry I dont know your gender) Is absolutely right here guys, class action law suits rarely pay off, not even against tobaco companies, after the lawyer takes his massive cut, then most likely every one will get somthing like 1,000 to 5,000 dollars. Awards in civil suits are really getting under control and its not going to be somthing crazy like 20 million or whatever.


Well thats about it, I really dont have much to comment on the rest of the post, because I pretty much agree, I have a few differances with the views, but those are rather pointless, and I have nothing to add, so, have a nice day

how do I get my damned signature posted? I cant figgure it out.[ This Message was edited by: OverLordd on 2005-06-27 05:45 ]
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 09:39:00 AM
THE TRUTH is...irresponsible placement...on the part of those truly responsible...the PARENTS!

Whitmore simply offers a service...it is the responsibility of the PARENTS to investigate thoroughly.  HECK, a quick look at their website would give any intelligent person a "CLUE" about the quality or lack there of.  JUST READING THE kids' MISSION statements was enough evidence to support a questionable approach to placement.  What kids write like that????

C'mon people, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your own faulty decisions!
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 10:25:00 AM
POINT MISSED AGAIN:

NO ONE PAID FOR THIS SERVICE:
To abuse any kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheryl Sudweeks has been charge with 7 counts of abusing 4 different children.

This is a criminal case folks!!!!!
And the investigation is still ongoing.

Don't care about an civil case.
This is about Child Abuse!
This is and where the FOCUS MUST REMAIN!!!!!!
THIS IS WHY THIS PLACE NEEDS TO BE CLOSED DOWN!
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 10:26:00 AM
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On 2005-06-27 07:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"POINT MISSED AGAIN:



NO ONE PAID FOR THIS SERVICE:

To abuse any kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Cheryl Sudweeks has been charge with 7 counts of abusing 4 different children.



This is a criminal case folks!!!!!

And the investigation is still ongoing.



Don't care about an civil case.

This is about Child Abuse!

This is and where the FOCUS MUST REMAIN!!!!!!

THIS IS WHY THIS PLACE NEEDS TO BE CLOSED DOWN!"
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 10:29:00 AM
YOu need to talk to a lawyer....define the term CLASS ACTION SUIT.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 11:02:00 AM
How much investigation did you do?

I believe THAT is the BIGGER POINT!!

Did you visit the website and read the mission statements?
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 11:03:00 AM
Tha Truth:  Sue Scheff, PURE does not take a "kick back" on her placements at Whitmore. She is running a BUSINESS and has her own referral fees for her placements at Whitmore and other schools.  She has testified under oath in a court of law exactly how she is paid for sending kids to these programs. She isn't running some little back-room-set-up where kids are snuck into Whitmore, and where she gets some "kickback" under the table.  She advertises big time. Is PROUD of what she does. And get paid lots of money for doing it. Scheff may have told lies about her credentials--like saying she had a degreee, when she DIDN'T. She may have lied about her staff: like saying she had attorneys and psychologist on staff, when she didn't--THINGS LIKE THAT.  BUT her company does not take "kick backs."  It charges PROGRAMS fees for the placement of children in these progams--unlike professional Educational Consultants who have ethical standards that forbid collecting fees from PROGRAMS.

And enough has probably been said about Caitlyn/MOUSE: she is just another kid being used/contolled by Cheryl to post on this forum.

And any civil suit by any parents: That too WILL NOT be decided on this forum. It will be decided in a COURT OF LAW...based on LAW, CONTRACTS, and EVIDENCE. NOT by the bashing of parents and their chidren, who are victims.
Anything else is just opinions and speculation.

The FACT REMAINS:  Cheryl Sudweeks has been CHARGED with 7 Counts of Child Abuse against 4 different children.  And the investigation is still active and ongoing.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 11:08:00 AM
"And any civil suit by any parents: That too WILL NOT be decided on this forum. It will be decided in a COURT OF LAW...based on LAW, CONTRACTS, and EVIDENCE. NOT by the bashing of parents and their chidren, who are victims."

The only VICTIMS are the children!!!  Parents hold the responsibility for their poor decisions...they are not the victims...they are as guilty as they hold PURE and Whitmore.

FOCUS ON THAT and stop shifting the BLAME!!
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Antigen on June 27, 2005, 11:38:00 AM
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how do I get my damned signature posted? I cant figgure it out.[ This Message was edited by: OverLordd on 2005-06-27 05:45 ]"


Click the "profile" link to the left. The sig box is near the bottom of that page.

Life may have no meaning.  Or even worse, it may have a meaning of which I disapprove.
Ashleigh Brilliant

Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 12:37:00 PM
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On 2005-06-27 08:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Tha Truth:  Sue Scheff, PURE does not take a "kick back" on her placements at Whitmore. She is running a BUSINESS and has her own referral fees for her placements at Whitmore and other schools.  She has testified under oath in a court of law exactly how she is paid for sending kids to these programs. She isn't running some little back-room-set-up where kids are snuck into Whitmore, and where she gets some "kickback" under the table.  She advertises big time. Is PROUD of what she does. And get paid lots of money for doing it. Scheff may have told lies about her credentials--like saying she had a degreee, when she DIDN'T. She may have lied about her staff: like saying she had attorneys and psychologist on staff, when she didn't--THINGS LIKE THAT.  BUT her company does not take "kick backs."  It charges PROGRAMS fees for the placement of children in these progams--unlike professional Educational Consultants who have ethical standards that forbid collecting fees from PROGRAMS.



And enough has probably been said about Caitlyn/MOUSE: she is just another kid being used/contolled by Cheryl to post on this forum.



And any civil suit by any parents: That too WILL NOT be decided on this forum. It will be decided in a COURT OF LAW...based on LAW, CONTRACTS, and EVIDENCE. NOT by the bashing of parents and their chidren, who are victims.

Anything else is just opinions and speculation.



The FACT REMAINS:  Cheryl Sudweeks has been CHARGED with 7 Counts of Child Abuse against 4 different children.  And the investigation is still active and ongoing.



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This is correct, Sue Scheff is NOT an educational consultant, she is an independent program referral/placement service and as such, not bound by the same principles and ethics as members of the IECA are.  See example below.

Excerpt from IECA principles of good practice:

School/College/Program Relationships

...A consultant does not accept any compensation from educational institutions for placement of a child.

...A consultant strives to avoid actions which may give the appearance of an attempt to influence an admission placement.

http://www.educationalconsulting.org/principles.html (http://www.educationalconsulting.org/principles.html)
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 12:58:00 PM
The only VICTIMS are the children!!! Parents hold the responsibility for their poor decisions...they are not the victims...they are as guilty as they hold PURE and Whitmore.

FOCUS ON THAT and stop shifting the BLAME!!
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 02:44:00 PM
Cheryl Sudweeks is charged with 7 counts of abusing 4 children

The children are the victims of this abuse.
The blame has been placed exactly where it belongs!
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Tha Truth on June 27, 2005, 02:51:00 PM
You guys really don't get it, do you? I was a student there for a full 12 months. If students really are the victims like everyone is saying, than how am I not being empathetic? How am I shifting blame? I'm not putting a sob story out there, I'm simply telling the truth. Did any of you ever live at the Whitmore? Please don't tell me how it is then. I went there when I was fourteen years old. It was not a happy time. If you really know how it is and these are your true opinions then you have a right. I have no right to try and make you change your mind -BUT- If you weren't there, you need to pay attention to what I'm saying because I obviously have a better understanding of the situation. I was a student there! Of course Cheryl needs to be held accountable, I know she's already been charged but nothing has gone to court yet. I am extremely hurt and angry about what went on there, to me or other kids. What I'm trying to do here is simply give people a better picture and stop their needlessly judgmental comments. Of course the focus should be on the kids, they were hurt most. Of course people should try to make everyone involved answer for what they've done. A civil suit is one way.

I know where the focus should be, I lived it. Next time you make such ridiculous comments about me shifting blame and not "thinking of the kids" please remember, I lived it.

-Anneliese Hopper
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 03:05:00 PM
Anneliese, believe that poster was referring to the ANON who keeps trying to shift the focus onto the PARENTS who enrolled their kids at the Whitmore. The attack is NOW ON THE PARENTS--accusing them of NOT investigating the Sudweeks in detail before enrolling them at the Whitmore.AS IF the parents are reponsible for their kids getting abuse there. AS IF the parents should have KNOWN from the contracts they signed that ABUSE was "just around the corner."  AS IF they parents should have known that those Canadian animal abusers would "surly be child abusers, TOO. AS IF, your parents, and all the other parents just wanted to GET RID OF THEIR KIDS...so the parents are to BLAME for any abuse that happened, and not the Sudweeks.  That the PARENTS and KIDS got just what they bargained for--abused kids because they sent their kids out of state and "should have know better."  That the PARENTS are stupid, if not "unfit" for sending them to Whitmore to begin with.  FORGET that the parents believed the Whitmore was an accredited, school and that the Sudweeks WOULD provide the contractual, PAID FOR Services.  
IT IS BLAME TIME NOW---so it is time to blame YOUR parents, and all the other parents.
NO!!! That will not be allowed.
Cheryl Sudweeks has been charged with child abuse.
You students who are speaking out have a voice, and it will be heard! We will listen.  You will not be drowned out.
This is not one of Cheryl's little group sessions in which you and other students can not be heard when you speak the truth.
Cheryl Sudweeks is not in charge here.
She does not run this show! It is a public forum, and you can speak!
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 03:58:00 PM
OKAY, here we go again....not taking responsibility for our own MAJOR mistakes.  

YES...we all GET IT that Cheryl Sudweeks has been charged with child abuse.  She may even be found guilty.  If so, then justice has been served.

BUT....

THAT FACT is totally separate from the other FACT of POOR DECISION MAKING on the part of parents who send their children to any treatment/boarding school WITHOUT A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION......A simple search on the internet would have given enough information to make any person a bit skiddish.  

C'mon.....FACE UP TO IT!!!!
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: OverLordd on June 27, 2005, 04:02:00 PM
wow, if you read some of these posts out loud it would be funny, the words screamed for no apparent reason right in the middle of every thing, remember guys we dont needs caps to make our point. Yes, sudwinks is a child abuser, yes its mostly her fault, some blame lands on the parents as well, but this it no reason to scream at one another.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 05:54:00 PM
Well, ask Sue to be quiet then, OK?
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 06:07:00 PM
Don't think any parents have posted here that they are PROUD of their decision for sending their child to Whitmore, now have they?
But supporters of the Sudweeks sure seem proud of THEM.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
And let's not forget how proud Ms. Sue Scheff seems to be of placing all these kids at the Whitmore, and assuring these parents that she'd checked this school out on all levels, and that she continues to vouch for the Suds.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 06:34:00 PM
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On 2005-06-27 15:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"And let's not forget how proud Ms. Sue Scheff seems to be of placing all these kids at the Whitmore, and assuring these parents that she'd checked this school out on all levels, and that she continues to vouch for the Suds."


If you only depended on one source...one reference, i.e. Scheff, you shouldn't be surprized with the outcome....By the way, what was the hurry?
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
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On 2005-06-27 15:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Don't think any parents have posted here that they are PROUD of their decision for sending their child to Whitmore, now have they?


I don't think any parents would think it worth their time to post and be questioned / attacked. There are not many - if any - open minds here...so, what's the point?
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 07:39:00 PM
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On 2005-06-27 16:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-06-27 15:07:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Don't think any parents have posted here that they are PROUD of their decision for sending their child to Whitmore, now have they?




I don't think any parents would think it worth their time to post and be questioned / attacked. There are not many - if any - open minds here...so, what's the point?"


Amen
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 07:49:00 PM
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On 2005-06-27 13:02:00, OverLordd wrote:

"wow, if you read some of these posts out loud it would be funny, the words screamed for no apparent reason right in the middle of every thing, remember guys we dont needs caps to make our point. Yes, sudwinks is a child abuser, yes its mostly her fault, some blame lands on the parents as well, but this it no reason to scream at one another."


Relax ... nobody is screaming ... they are just trying to emphasize what the issues are.

As for blaming parents, that is standard operating procedure in the teen hurt industry.  

Just read the WWASPS v. PURE file to see what WWASPS had to say about Sue Scheff and her former relationship with them both as a parent, herself, and also as someone who onced referred other parents to WWASPS programs

The Whitmore parents are no different than the person who may have actually referred them to Whitmore.  

They, like Scheff, were once desperate parents.

What's the diff?
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 08:48:00 PM
What's the difference between desperate parents and Sue Scheff?
Give me a _________break!
The desperate parents were trying to get help for their kids.
Scheff referred the parents to Whitmore for a FEE.
Scheff was making bundles of money off these desperate parents.
That's one little difference.
And Scheff kept referring more parents to Whitmore knowing the Sudweeks were being investigated for child abuse. And continues to support the Sudweeks knowing Cheryl Sudweeks has been charged with child abuse.
What's the difference?
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2005, 11:14:00 AM
Its amazing how you go after anyone who disagrees with your opinion, last i heard this was america.  The only respecful people on here are the ones that can present their thoughts and allow others to present their opinions without acting like gangsters.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: OverLordd on June 28, 2005, 11:19:00 AM
Well, Whitmore is a mormon based school right? So all the kids that get sent there are mormon right? I mean what sort of parent would send their kid to a cult trainning camp.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2005, 11:44:00 AM
Gangsters?
Have heard of ganster like behavior, but not here. Sort of like when Cheryl Sudweeks orders a bunch of kids to tie and gag one little boy and beat the heck out of him. Now that is "gangster like behavior."
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2005, 11:48:00 AM
Whitmore is not sanctioned or supported by the Mormon church. Just because the Sudweeks say they are MORMONS does not make the Whitmore Academy a Mormon-based school. And no, none of the parents knowningly enrolled their children in any CULT.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2005, 12:06:00 PM
I am so glad the lord i serve is one that has room in heaven for all faiths not just the one i believe.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: OverLordd on June 28, 2005, 12:16:00 PM
Ahh, how wonderfully relativistic.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 11:17:00 AM
Havent you heard joel and billy speak?  They also believe in an inclusive god!!!!
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 11:20:00 AM
by the way would you share all of your post with your pastor, i wonder what his opinion would be?  Might be worth asking, I know if i am not sure on faith based sujects i usually turn to mine. God is good and he loves us all!!
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 11:30:00 AM
Who is joel and billy, and what the hell are you talking about?
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: OverLordd on June 29, 2005, 11:44:00 AM
Jel and Billy Graham, the evangelists, and no I never heard them speak.

I have enough theological base to stand on my own thanks, I dont need to go to my pastor, and God is good, he does love us all.[ This Message was edited by: OverLordd on 2005-06-29 08:45 ]
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 12:44:00 PM
Thanks. I just don't call Rev. Graham "BILLY."
I did attend one of his services in Houston once at the Astro Dome.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 12:50:00 PM
Parents who enrolled their children at the Whitmore: did not think they were enrolling their children in a "cult-Mormon school."
Parents were TOLD by the Sudweeks that their children could WALK TO and attend the church of their choice. Nephi is a small town.  Parents had no REASON to believe that this promise would not be kept by the Sudweeks. SO: no parent knowingly subjected their children to being FORCED to attend the Mormon church.  That is just how it worked out. The Whitmore kids were made to attend the Mormon Church by the Sudweeks, and were punished for non-attendance without the parent's knowledge.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 01:27:00 PM
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On 2005-06-29 09:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Parents who enrolled their children at the Whitmore: did not think they were enrolling their children in a "cult-Mormon school."

Parents were TOLD by the Sudweeks that their children could WALK TO and attend the church of their choice. Nephi is a small town.  Parents had no REASON to believe that this promise would not be kept by the Sudweeks. SO: no parent knowingly subjected their children to being FORCED to attend the Mormon church.  That is just how it worked out. The Whitmore kids were made to attend the Mormon Church by the Sudweeks, and were punished for non-attendance without the parent's knowledge."


That's horrible .. not even freedom of religion?

Just who the hell do these programs think they are?  GOD????
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: mouse on June 29, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
Hey, wait a minute. Somebody has some bad information here.

Actually, kids can walk to and attend the church of our choice. The Baptist church is actually closer than the LDS one. There is also one other church I know of in Nephi, either Catholic or Presbyterian, can't remember which.

No, kids are not punished for not attending church. If somebody doesn't go to church, they do have to write a report on spirituality, but that is because Sunday is a day for focusing on one's spirit. The parents were fully aware when they sent their kids to the Whitmore that it was Christian, and therefore should know that church or spirituality of some type was going to be required. And if they didn't know, they obviously need to call 1-800-ABCDEFG for some Hooked On Phonics.

I do know we are allowed to go to these other churches, because guess what, I went to the Baptist one quite a few times when I attended Whitmore! It is right on Main St, one block from Whitmore, check it out online if you don't believe me! It may be a small town, but even small towns have more than one church.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Tha Truth on June 29, 2005, 02:40:00 PM
Alright Angelina. Maybe she made an exception for you, which I doubt. When I asked to stay back from church once (when I was still new) Cheryl yelled at me and told me that I was "ungrateful" and "Heavenly Father doesn't like ungrateful people, they make him sick." She basically went on to tell me that God would have no qualms about sending my ass straight to Hell if I missed this church service. I never asked her again. I saw the groups she had on all the other kids who did, I didn't want to bother. She used to pressure kids to get up at fast and testimony meetings or to have talks with the mormon missionaries. I really doubt that she went out of her way just for you and a couple of those kids "Angelina". All 40 of us had to go to church every Sunday for three hours. I was raised in a Presbyterian church and later a Covenant one, I would have been glad to go to ANY  other church in Nephi than the 7th ward. By the way Angelina, you still haven't written me back... :lol:
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: mouse on June 29, 2005, 02:55:00 PM
First Baptist Church
61 South Main Street, Nephi, UT 84648
(435) 623-5440

Look it up on Whitepages if you don't believe it. And I don't know what happened to that other church, maybe it closed after I left. This was years ago. And I don't know about the going to hell thing, never happened in my time. Are you sure it wasn't some evangelistic kid or something? We didn't have group on kids for not going to church, either. If they didn't do their reports, we did have group, but if they did their reports or went to a church they were fine. Maybe you all had to attend church together because it was big group or something. There was only like 10 kids when I was there.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 04:02:00 PM
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On 2005-06-29 11:55:00, mouse wrote:

"First Baptist Church

61 South Main Street, Nephi, UT 84648

(435) 623-5440



Look it up on Whitepages if you don't believe it. And I don't know what happened to that other church, maybe it closed after I left. This was years ago. And I don't know about the going to hell thing, never happened in my time. Are you sure it wasn't some evangelistic kid or something? We didn't have group on kids for not going to church, either. If they didn't do their reports, we did have group, but if they did their reports or went to a church they were fine. Maybe you all had to attend church together because it was big group or something. There was only like 10 kids when I was there."


WHEN I WAS THERE ...

Hey Mouse .. Wake Up .. YOU'RE STILL THERE.

 :silly:
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 04:22:00 PM
caitlyn you know damn well no one goes to any other church, and wouldnt dare to ask.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 04:35:00 PM
MOUSE:  "when you were there?????"
Caitlyn..YOU ARE STILL THERE!
Aren't you going home soon?
If you are going to talk all this religion stuff, you do need to stop lying....
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 04:36:00 PM
BOTTOM LINE:  Whitmore kids go to the MORMON CHURCH or else!  Period.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 04:39:00 PM
Caitlyn. Since you are the spokesperson now. People are a bit curious. How did Cheryl react to being booked? Just curious.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Tha Truth on June 29, 2005, 05:07:00 PM
Oh come on Mouse! Like I wouldn't know the difference between Cheryl and some self-righteous kid yelling at me. Please. If things were honestly different in "your time" then that's great. Don't make universal statements about the "way things are" if you're no longer there. You wouldn't know. Cheryl pushed Mormonism very hard and oftentimes ridiculed the religions the other kids were brought up with. How accepting is that?
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: mouse on June 29, 2005, 05:20:00 PM
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On 2005-06-29 14:07:00, Tha Truth wrote:

"Oh come on Mouse! Like I wouldn't know the difference between Cheryl and some self-righteous kid yelling at me. Please. If things were honestly different in "your time" then that's great. Don't make universal statements about the "way things are" if you're no longer there. You wouldn't know. Cheryl pushed Mormonism very hard and oftentimes ridiculed the religions the other kids were brought up with. How accepting is that?"

I'm not saying it is like that now. I'm saying I haven't seen it happen ever at the Whitmore (while I was in the program and on visits). I don't believe Cheryl to be the type of person to push her religion on others, or ridicule others for what they believe, and I haven't seen or heard her do either of those. I'm Catholic and I've talked to her about my beliefs before, and she openly accepted Catholicism and was curious to know more about it. Cheryl is very accepting of religious beliefs. I've never seen her push her religion on anyone. Maybe it did happen, I don't know because I wasn't there when you were, but I strongly believe it did not because she is not at all the type of person to do that.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 05:33:00 PM
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On 2005-06-29 13:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Caitlyn. Since you are the spokesperson now. People are a bit curious. How did Cheryl react to being booked? Just curious."


Yeah, please answer the question Caitlyn.

Inquiring minds want to know!
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Tha Truth on June 29, 2005, 06:08:00 PM
Well, unfortunately she was very good at putting on a little act depending on what mood she was in. She could talk about how all religions were the same and how we really all just believed in one god anyway, then she'd turn right around and yell at you and make fun of you. Do you really think that she'd be truly accepting of people's religious beliefs when she was blatantly racist? I don't know how many times I heard her call people niggers or beaners. She called a stupid Polack on many occasions. This may not be precisely about religion, but it exhibits glaring prejudices and indicates her true feelings abotu people different from herself. Not just her pretty mask.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 07:08:00 PM
Cheryl like the racist term NIGGER and Sand NIGGER a lot too.  How terrible to call kids these names.  Just terrible.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 07:11:00 PM
The way Cheryl could cry and tell the stories of the mean ole Canadians and Mexicans killing all the horses.  Bet the booking story at the county jail was a real tear-jerky TALE.
Inquiring minds would like to know about it.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2005, 01:27:00 AM
Tha Truth, the Mormon Church itself clearly condemns other religious systems. So, why wouldn't Cheryl Sudweeks? Why would Caitlyn say she doesn't?
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2005, 01:39:00 AM
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On 2005-06-29 16:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Cheryl like the racist term NIGGER and Sand NIGGER a lot too.  How terrible to call kids these names.  Just terrible."


Good Grief ... if true, this is absolutely despictable behavior.  SHAMELESS!!!!!!!!!!

Do the members of her ward know or even care what's being alleged about this lady, a member of their own ward?
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on June 30, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
Of course it is shameless. But this woman's dear husband is a racist too. He uses the same terms too,and called these minority children these names also.
Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2005, 12:00:00 AM
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On 2005-06-30 13:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Of course it is shameless. But this woman's dear husband is a racist too. He uses the same terms too,and called these minority children these names also."


And the parents of these minority children allow this and actually pay for it?

That's horrible.  Please tell me the parents of these children understand this is wrong, wrong, wrong?????

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Title: THA TRUTH - PART III
Post by: Anonymous on July 01, 2005, 01:15:00 AM
Poster, Parents are NOT AWARE that this racist name-calling is going on while they are paying for their child to be enrolled at the Whitmore!
This type of behavior by the owners of Whitmore is only revealed once the child is safely away from there.
The Student's emails, telephone calls are monitored without the parents' knowlege or consent. OF COURSE the parents ARE NOT AWARE that thier minority children are being called NIGGERS, SAND NIGGERS, BEANERS by the Sudweeks!
NO PARENT expects, OR pays for this type of immoral, wrong and illegal behavior from the owners of a "school!"