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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: velvet2000 on April 18, 2002, 12:45:00 AM
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know when it went from The Game at Synanon to being called Raps? Was that in Straight or Kids? Anyone have any idea WHY they're called raps?
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I don't know much about straight so this is a complete guess, but maybe it was named raps in reference to rapping kids knuckles. It could be called that in reference to rhapsody or rap music but I highly doubt it.
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In answer to "rap" session, I think it was called that because a "rap" I would believe would be considered a "conversation", or possibly "group talk". I would have to consult a dictonary, but I would think that's what it would stand for.
I think it might have been the SEED who came up with it since Straight and Kids were branched out from that facility, I'm just speculating on this one
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I think it was a weak attempt at a "cooler" name for group therapy. You know, we all sat around in blue chairs and "rapped" to each other....or at each other was more like it. Funny if that is truly the case because Straight was adamant about not using slang terms for anything, because it was considered "druggie".
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they should have called our group therapy at Straight a "clicking session" or "motivational therapy" because to me most of the time that is all that ended up happining.
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"Raps"/"Rap Sessions" is common terminology (not cultspeak) for group therapy in different therapeutic modalities even aside from the therapeutic community model employed by the seed, straight, kids, etc.
Maybe the word stems from the word "rapport". Also the etiology of the "rap" type of music, etc.
It just means to talk, and isn't program specific.
st8jack-it
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I knew that rap was short for something, I just couldn't remember and I didn't want to feel like an idiot.
I can't stand rap music.. all I see it as is just very loud bass that hurts my ears and poetry with vinyl scratches.. sorry for those who like it, but I don't understand the talent behind it.. "my momma killed your pussy ass white boy trash bee bop home skillet" is just a little too much for me.
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It's a cultural thing.
I hate polka, some dig it.
My opinion is personal and mute,
so I try not to BLAB it all over the place.
str8jack-it
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I can respect that. Also, I'm the kind of person (those of you who have read most of what I posts).
I express my thoughts and memories, I guess I'm just the kind of person who needs to allow myself to be heard, if not, then I will have it bottled up and I just need to get it out of my thoughts.
I agree polkas suck, unless your talking about Weird Al Yankovic.. he's funny as hell.
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st8jack-it is correct, 'rap session' is short for rapport; something of which there was very little ever going on in Group. I know that was the term used in The Seed, but I don't know anything about it before that. I agree, 'Clique session' would have been a much more apt term to describe it.
Bump music hurts my ears. I'm what they call nerve deaf. Actually, I get it from my dad's side of the family. I'm so sensitive to base sounds that I can't hear normal conversation over any amount of 'white noise'. But some of the rap artist are putting out poetry easily as good, or better, than anything that ever proceeded from the mouth of Bob Dylan!
http://www.geocities.com/bashlak/eminem/ (http://www.geocities.com/bashlak/eminem/)
Not as good, though (imo), as some of the young metal or hard rock (are these the right classes? Scott?) like Linkin Park and Disturbed. Here's some System of a Down lyrics. http://www.letssingit.com/lyrics/s/syst ... wn/23.html (http://www.letssingit.com/lyrics/s/system-of-a-down/23.html)
Disturbing as anything, but isn't good art supposed to move us? And the musical quality is just a whole lot more pleasing to me than most rap. But they're telling us essentially the same stories; and not much different from what Alic Cooper, Pink Floyd and Lynnard Skynnard were telling us decades ago. That which resonates is true.
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I'm more of a Rush fan myself.. I go for mainly lyrics and music that doesn't sound the same all the time.
I'm also big on 80's bands like Journey, U2, and Genesis.
I can't really get into Linkin Park or things like that cuz it just has that "rap" tone to it with the bass..
I used to like bands like Metallica and Anthrax, but the tone of the music is so repetitive it puts me to sleep.. on the other hand big bass sound makes me aggitated and angry
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Rush rules (new album coming soon).
The singer from System of a Down looks just like the clinical director of KIDS of EP. Now THAT is funnier than hell....
Anti, where have ya been?
Me
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On 2002-04-24 10:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
Rush rules (new album coming soon).
The singer from System of a Down looks just like the clinical director of KIDS of EP. Now THAT is funnier than hell....
Anti, where have ya been?
Me
Oh, wandering to and fro accross the face of the Earth. We moved to Pennsylvania about three weeks ago and have been busy house hunting and exploring ever since. I've only had time to answer customer requests and just a little pleasure reading.
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Some of the most beautiful lyrics and music has been created by the Grateful Dead .Songs like Unbroken Chain.Box of Rain if you have not heard these you owe it to yourself .Hundreds of great songs,kinda sad they are no more.
Hi to Ginger .. where bouts in Pa.
Matt
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I agree with the Grateful Dead (forgot about them) they got some catchy tunes too like "Touch of Grey" and a few other ones from the 70's.
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In AARC we had "fess up" or "confession" raps, which different then the confessions going ont welve hours a day these were just to fess up to rules we'd broken. I'm sure Straight and Kids had these too. Well I never "fessed up" to it in AARC but on level three I found my old CD's and stuffed a Nine Inch Nails album down my pants, which on later levels I'd listen to on my discman at night. *sigh* must have been the downfall of me right? Nine Inch Nails were after all "Against Gods Will" for me.
Someone said "raps" were used in The Seed? I'll post for a confirmation on their board. I was mostly interested in who decided to think up something for themseleves instead of directly copying Synanon. Imagine if after all these years all these groups were still playing The Game.
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On 2002-04-24 15:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
Hi to Ginger .. where bouts in Pa.
Matt
The Mid Mon Valley; about 25 minutes out of Pittsburgh toward WV
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I don't recall a "confession" rap in Straight. During the week, most blasting was done during girls or guys rap. On the weekends they saved it for the "Executive Rap" which I think was on Sunday. It was a good opportunity for lesser staff members to show off for the execs. The main raps to be concerned about were the Open Meeting Reviews. Anything and everything was fair game then. Even if you were confronted for something earlier in the week, chances were you would get blasted again after Open Meeting. It was the worst possible time to be in group.
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I wonder if Open Meeting Reviews were anything like Progress Rap. All day Friday before Open Meeting was when we presented for our steps. Such a doomful feeling walking into the rap room first thing in the morning even if you believed that they had nothing to hold against you that week.
If I can recall correctly between normal raps there was Oldcomer/Newcomer Rap, Boys/Girls Rap, Dr. Vause's raps, Progress Rap, and Nightime Rap was usually the easier preparing for the host home raps. Of course they all could be Fess Up or Blast Rap's. One clinical held a Picnic Rap every time there were a few new Newcomers who would never be invited to the Picnic. I'm guessing he adopted that from Kids.
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Most of the rap sessions you mentioned Velvet were on Sundays at the Plymouth MI Straight .. all the "bitch-out raps" were held Friday nights after Open Meeting, just to tell people how they sucked at their newcomer introductions, which most of us did because they wanted to have too many thing memorized and some people (like myself) were a bit stage fright.
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Crazy! After Open Meeting (which could end at 10:00 pm or past 1:00 am) we just had "Talks" and then went to the host homes. Did Straight have Talks (telling parents incidents)? We sometimes got blasted the next day for bad behavior during Open Meeting, but usually it was saved until Monday Mornings Oldcomer/Newcomer raps, and then carry on during Dr. Vause's rap (I believe it was his only rap). It was more effective letting kids worry about getting blasted all weekend when they spent more time in Host Homes, then sending them home Friday night openly pissed off.
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Yup.. we had Talk. If we earned it, and knew all 12 steps, serenity prayer and 5 criteria, not to mention some of the rules.. we could put in for it and most of the time earn it.
5 minutes was given on Friday nights and Mondays. Mondays was in the carpet room and Fridays were in the big warehouse.
So, if I earned "talk" I would be escorted to my parents, think about a past incident I wanted to discuss, share it with them, and they would have a minute or so to respond. And I got escorted "beltlooped" back into group.
If we earned "T&R" it meant that we got to clean the bathrooms! (oh joy!) they were called 'heads' like in the military. So it just meant that I didn't have to be in group and relate, motivate and talk.. so it wasn't too bad.
T&R was earned after Talk was earned. I spent about 6 months on 1st phase about 1 month on 2nd until I pulled myself out when I turned 18.. I graduated from H.S., went to nightschool for AutoCAD and I wish I had a job in that now.. but nothing close enough to home.. I now work as a customer service rep. for a highly reputable company (which I won't mention).
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I love the dead and floyd. When it comes to real moving songs I love Tangerine that song can make me cry still. Also Dream on even though I am not an Arosmith (can't even spell the name) fan. I don't listen to rap on my own but my friends all love it and I have found a lot of the songs to be really intense. When the emotion and feelings are real it totally invades the song and you can feel it. A lot of rap has that quality and draws me in. Tangerine though, so great, and Scarlet Begonias makes me want to dance!! Ginger....Penn. you are getting close to me! Welcome to the neighborhood. Seen any Amish??
I swear if they weren't so damn opressive I would be amish (sp??) I want to drive a horse and buggy and commune with the earth. Take care you guys
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LOL.. Amish people have a simplistic lifestyle.. but with all the computers and everything being so "high-tech" I don't think I could live without all that stuff.. unless of course I was to quit my job, and have some money set aside to build a house out in the middle of nowhere and not have electricity for a while.. but since that seems to be a bit unrealistic. I will just live in the city and work.. I wish I was rich though.. lol