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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 15, 2004, 03:44:00 PM
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A group of former RMA students are making a documentary film about the history and evolution of CEDU education, focusing on people's personal experiences with the various schools and programs. They are currently conducting interviews of past and present staff, students and families all over the United States. If you have any interest in contributing to this project please contact [email protected]
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How do I get an interview?
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How do I know that this is not just another phoney CEDU attempt to size up and attack "the enemy" i.e. us.
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As both former students and filmmakers we will do our best to be unbiased and objective in our interpretations of CEDU. By gathering a broad scope of opinions, interviewing both staff and students and investigating their various viewpoints, we will allow the audience to draw their own conclusions.
Any inquiries can be made directly to [email protected]
Interviews can be scheduled the same way.
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This guy actually seems to know what he's doing. If you have something to say I suggest you get on board. This could go somewhere. :tup:
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-thanks.
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Check their credentials! Ask what other films they have produced; where is their funding coming from; who will do their distribution; why they are making this film; what was their motivation to do the film in the first place; what protection would you have to remain "anonymous" as so many contributors to these boards seem to be; as a subject in the documentary will you be compensated financially? Will you see the film and be able to sign off on your portion of it after it is edited and ready for screening - if it ever makes it that far?
I am very suspicious of anyone originating in the "West" - Idaho, Utah, etc. I would like to know a lot more about these "film makers" before I uttered a word.... Just a suggestion.
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All good questions. I'd prefer to go into greater detail on a more personal basis, but for starters...
Our team is based in New York and Chicago, and comprised mainly of former RMA (Idaho) students. This is our first professional project together.
We are personally funding the film and have no have no plans for major distribution at this time. The motivation is purely one of human interest. The history of CEDU education is complex and intriguing and we plan to show the profound affect it has had on people's lives.
Annonymity, although definately discouraged, can be accomadated in certain situations. There will be no financial compensation offered as the producer simply cannot afford to do so. We have no desire to mislead participants and therefore must insist that anyone involved must release their footage to us before it is ever screened.
Any other questions can be directed to [email protected]
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I find it strange that you are wary of releasing more details out here for the public to read.
You have told us next to nothing here.
This is in response to your invitatation for me to be interviewed in the film
(see thread titled "Son Of Serbia" on this forum).
I find some of your comments here suspicious.
You have said that your intention is that the film on Cedu remain neutral, IE: that the film show all points of view without appearing biased one way or the other. I don't believe this to be realistic. Here's why:
By your own words, this film is being made by a group of former RMA students....I am curious to know how the film makers themselves feel about their own experience(s) at CEDU. Do YOU (the film makers)feel that Cedu benefitted your lives, or did it do more harm than good. What is the overall concensus amoung you, is Cedu a "GOOD" place or a "BAD" one? Ultimately, the answer to that question will determine which way the film is biased. And please don't tell me that your camp is split both ways, as it is entirely inconceivable that a group of Cedu lovers and Cedu haters could ever cooperate together to make a film about the school, it's just not going to happen.
It's time for you people (the film makers) to step up to the plate and let us all know
exactly where you folks stand on CEDU.
Regardless of your intent to be neutral, ultimately it is your own view(s) of the
school that will prevail to the audience.
You can play "devils advocate" all you want,
but this is a fact that you can't change.
I'm also concerned with your statement
"that you are making this film for human interest", and have no intention of major
distribution to the general public.
If you've followed this site at all, you would know that most of us are out here because we want to make the public aware of what really happens at Cedu, and how we've been hurt by
them.
That being said, why would any of us
want to surrender our anonymity, and
share our own personal stories of cedu
(many of which are painful and humiliating
to tell) on a film that most of the public
won't even see?
I see absolutely no benefit in that.
Why then are you making this film? Why would all of you be spending the enormous amounts of money, time, and resources required to make a quality film, with no intention to sell it or make a profit off of it? And don't tell me that your motives are purely altruistic, because I'm not buying it. We all need to eat and keep a roof over our heads. So if you're not planning to sell this film to the public, then exactly WHO are you going to sell it to?
It's about time that you stop beating around the bush and give us some real answers.....
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word up!
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To the skeptic(s), and anyone else following this thread...
Quite simply, our feelings aren't as cut and dry as "love" and "hate." The filmmakers themselves have mixed feelings about their experiences at RMA. This is only natural, as anyone who attended will most certainly agree. We, the members of this team, all do acknowledge that CEDU benefitted our lives in one way or another. In fact, certain members are graduates, while others were still in the earlier phases of the school when they left.
I have stated on several occasions now, that I believe it is not only fair, but absolutely necessary to be truly objective in our portrayal of CEDU in this film. I, myself, am not a fan of the styles of certain other documentarians who make it painfully obvious where they stand on the issues they are covering. I feel that the true mission of a good documentary is to educate not to propogate.
Quite simply, our passions in life are music and filmmaking. These passions are what allowed us to develop such meaningful friendships at RMA in such varying stages of the school and to have maintained them several years later. They have allowed us to put aside our diffences of opinion, and compromise in order to present a powerful, moving and meaninful film. This film has been in various stages of development since we attended RMA in 1999, and has been in production since May of 2004. We have been successful beyond our wildest dreams thus far, and dont feel the need to validate ourselves to annonymous conspiracy theorists on internet message boards. Our add on this site has been posted as a golden opportunity to you all, and we suggest that you begin to view it as such.
As for your statements about distribution and profit -- We have made tremendous personal financial sacrifices to produce this film, and obviously intend to have it "go somewhere." At the present time we have no "buyers" or major studio funding. You have obviously misunderstood my words... I most definately intend to screen it for public audiences. Whether or not this will ulitimately lead to profit margins is a whole other point of uncertainty.
I think your quest for public awareness is a valid one, and suggest that you might attain some more crediblity by taking your cause above ground and into the public eye through this film. That is, unless, your main concern is annonymity, rather than the wrongs that CEDU allegedly commited against you.
We have made many attempts to be forthcoming and public with our intentions. We are simply encouraging people to contact us directly. I will state firmly now, that any further communications you wish to have with us, should be made directly if you want them acknowledged. We are very busy trying to schedule legitimate on-site interviews with courageous, opinionated individuals.
-thank you and good day.
THE PRODUCER
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If this fellow or this film were real unbiased reporting, then we would know his name, who he represents, and where he is producing, cutting, and editing the film.
I doubt that there is any film or documentary, and, if there is one, it is a promo by WWASP or some other legal advocare such as an association for the lagal protection of specialty schools.
This guy wants our identities, but then where is his true and proved identity? There is not even a real address.
I would be very careful with this bullshit. People who do such films usually allow annonomous individuals to speak. If they don't allow whistle blowers, then they must clearly be on the boarding school side, they must be clearly biased and clearly lying.
Don't give them a pot to shit in. I think they are bullshitters or lawyers.
You all know how these scum-bags operate. You went to school there or worked there - I worked there and we all know without any reservation that RMA and all the other spauns are pure cunning, unethical, twisted, perverted psuedo- psychology i.e. CULT. Anyone who sees it differently must, therefore, be a convert.
The Soldier
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BLOWNAWAYTHEIDAHOWAY-
We will be in NYC this week until thursday afternoon if you would care to meet in person, and possibly schedule an interview. We have a number of interviews already taking place between now and thursday, but I'm sure you'll at least get some idea of our credentials by speaking with us directly. Hopefully this will clear up any uncertainty you or anyone else may be having.
E-mail me if you are interested [email protected]
thanks, Matt.
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Does that offer extend to everyone in the New York area?
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It most certainly does. NY is something of a home base for a few of us, so feel free to contact to schedule an interview. [email protected]
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I would love to talk to you about your film, and have e-mailed you.
I am canadian, and was kept at RMA for 2 years. I got extended custody, and could not go back to my country of citizenship. I found the whole thing quite strange, that they could keep me out of my country. I wonder everyday why this was, but have never gotten around to looking in to it. I was even arrested for leaving
. why would i be arrested for leaving a place to go back to MY COUNTRY?
this seems like as good a time as any to find some answers, and share my horrific, abusive experience.
alicia
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In 20 Years I know if two former RMA students with "mixed feelings" about the school the remainder hate it. You dont really want interviews from people who really know and speak the truth about this cult. But interview all the people you want who say thay liked the place - Joke) Then' we'll have the press tell the truth. The truth is already all over the web and especially at teenliberty.org /news stories
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THIS PERSON CANNOT BE TRUSTED. INTERVIEWS ARE A JOKE AND THIS WILL BE SOLD! ITS A JOKE. THEY SAY IT'S GOING TO BE ON MTV AND ALL THIS OBSURD NONSENSE. AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED, THIS PERSON IS TRIPPING. ITS DAVE MOFFIT, WILL PRESTWOOD, AND A BUNCH OF OTHER LOSERS. DONT TRUST IT.
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I heard about all of this documentary stuff from several people and also heard about the whole MTV thing. Not sure what that's about but whatever. Did you notice how the email address changed everytime this person typed on here? Who's doing the interviews anyway and is this just a CEDU bash film or what. And how do people give you info when we have no idea what you will be doing with it if we cannot recieve any copy of this so called documentary?
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HAHAHAHAHAHA! dave moffit and will prestwood. good to see you have moved on with your lives. :tup:
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To Alicia,
please e-mail me again, I've tried to respond to everyone's e-mails thus far. There have been a lot of responses, sorry if I may have missed yours. We can definately find time to talk.
In my opinion, the interview process has been pretty revealing and provided a lot of answers to a some very important questions. Far from a joke.
We have no affiliation with MTV or any other television network. This production is personally funded.
We will certainly make this film available for all to see, especially the participants.
A "CEDU bash film?".. certainly not. I would, however, consider some of our interviewee's to have strong negative opinions. At the same time, they have been equally balanced with positive ones.
Speaking of people moving on with their lives, if you can find the time to follow these posts so closely and spew your annonymous opinions, why not give us an interview.
Personify.
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and just to clarify... [email protected]
In case anyone might have missed the previous 20 links to the e-mail adress.
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On 2005-01-03 19:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"BLOWNAWAYTHEIDAHOWAY-
We will be in NYC this week until thursday afternoon if you would care to meet in person, and possibly schedule an interview. We have a number of interviews already taking place between now and thursday, but I'm sure you'll at least get some idea of our credentials by speaking with us directly. Hopefully this will clear up any uncertainty you or anyone else may be having.
E-mail me if you are interested [email protected]
thanks, Matt."
i never saw this, but I might be inclined to find out a little more about the project. You can PM me here, or post again. Keep in mind the different years of operation of these places. Five years later is a lot different from one year remember? and ten is different from five.
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I agree... Check your mail.
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I sent you an e-mail. Are you guys still in the north east? I'm avaialable in the Boston area.
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Im out in the boston area also...Went to cedu in 87-88..Email me if you would like a interview...
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Woops that was me on the last post..
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i am a former cedu student too, and frankly my whole time at cedu i thought regardless of who was making it or where any funding comes from, they cant control what you say or who you say it about. what are you afraid of breaking bans? grow some nuts. either try to get in the movie or move on. IdahoFlow, im down. [email protected]
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Thanks for everyone's continued interest.
[email protected]
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On 2005-01-03 14:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If this fellow or this film were real unbiased reporting, then we would know his name, who he represents, and where he is producing, cutting, and editing the film.
I doubt that there is any film or documentary, and, if there is one, it is a promo by WWASP or some other legal advocare such as an association for the lagal protection of specialty schools.
This guy wants our identities, but then where is his true and proved identity? There is not even a real address.
I would be very careful with this bullshit. People who do such films usually allow annonomous individuals to speak. If they don't allow whistle blowers, then they must clearly be on the boarding school side, they must be clearly biased and clearly lying.
Don't give them a pot to shit in. I think they are bullshitters or lawyers.
You all know how these scum-bags operate. You went to school there or worked there - I worked there and we all know without any reservation that RMA and all the other spauns are pure cunning, unethical, twisted, perverted psuedo- psychology i.e. CULT. Anyone who sees it differently must, therefore, be a convert.
The Soldier "
Good Advice.
This can only be one thing. It is a promotional film that CEDU will use to recruit parents. Mark my words. When all is said and done Brown Schools will cut out all the truth and leave all the lies and illusion showing a wonderful, life changing program. People who speak about abuses will be made in the cut to look like pond scum. All they have to do is use music and emotion and short testamonials, then throw in the worst, most insane and irrational advocate against the program as "evidence" that the nay sayers are all imbicles.
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The previous post is rediculous--and I will kindly leave it at that.
I am providing an outlet for everyone to tell their stories and work out their issues through the ambitious medium of film--instead of in obscurity on a message board.
I extend a personal invitation to whomever is making it their mission to derail the progress of this film to meet us for an interview, otherwise mind your own damn business.
*On an entirely different note, I just checked the junk e-mail folder at [email protected] and it was full of mail regarding the film. I sincerely appologize to anyone who never recieved a response. I will respond to all of those tonight.
Unfortunately, I assume that many older messages have already been automatically deleted over time--So please resend your e-mails.
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Hey you guyz GO FOR IT!!!!!!!
Hey son of sam...I mean serbia...who the hell are you? The power and potential of IdahoFlows project will never be dampend by clowns like you. Weather CEDU was "good" or "bad" doesnt relate to anything at all. I suppose you think you are all safe in your anonnimity....stop a moment and realize, you have NO personal info that anyone cant find, and in 100 years does anything you have to say matter to any one? Put it on film and then re-think that. STRINGER
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On 2005-02-01 04:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey you guyz GO FOR IT!!!!!!!
Hey son of sam...I mean serbia...who the hell are you? The power and potential of IdahoFlows project will never be dampend by clowns like you. Weather CEDU was "good" or "bad" doesnt relate to anything at all. I suppose you think you are all safe in your anonnimity....stop a moment and realize, you have NO personal info that anyone cant find, and in 100 years does anything you have to say matter to any one? Put it on film and then re-think that. STRINGER"
I have no idea why this last post is directed at me as I haven't posted on this thread in a long time,nor have I made any efforts to "dampen" anything.
Calling me a "clown" will get you nowhere,
"Stringer". And if this is how you
feel about me, then why the hell
are so interested in who I am?
It is true that I have declined the producer's invitation for an interview, as is my RIGHT to do so...but, I've done nothing to discourage others from accepting this offer. It is not my place to interfere with the personal decisions of others.
That being said, this is the second time that
I find myself personally attacked by one of these "Idahoflow" people, apparently for refusing to participate in their film.
Among other things, this is highly unprofessional behavior to say the least...
which also leads me to ask myself:
"Should I discourage others from appearing in this film?"
For the record, my choice not to participate in this film had nothing to do with anonymity. I chose not to participate because I don't trust that my views will be accurately portrayed by individuals who feel that cedu "positively influenced their lives."
Remember that lots of things (footage) get "lost" on the editing room floor,
I don't want the entire point of my
commentary to be one of them.
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First of all, thaks for your support Stringer.
Son of Serbia--
Stringer is NOT a member of my film crew. I have been most professional and courteous in dealing with you. The only time I ever directly adressed you was in the personal post requesting an interview after acknowledging your intelligence (see "Son Of Serbia.")
I have stated, and will state again, that I intend to depict individuals and their opinions as accurately as possible in the editing process.
I don't answer to anyone on the cutting room floor. If someone makes a point that I deem valid, or at least interesting, it will make the final cut. This obviously entails the shortening of comments and the abridgement of anecdotes, but the content speaks for itself.
IdahoFlow -- THE PRODUCER, having deja vu.
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hey. just checking how the film's going.
-JS
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The project is progressing quite well. We will be covering California throughout the month of March - starting in the north and working our way south. If you want to meet us, or will grant us an interview regarding your CEDU experience, contact [email protected]
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Make sure you contact [email protected] to schedule an interview.
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Do you plan on covering the slide into bankrupsy? Just curious.
No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats---approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care less.
--Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom:
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The film will cover CEDU's entire history in great detail.
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Do you really advise people to disclose the fact that they were in these places? Don't you think it could hurt them in the future especially in the area of employers? Background checks are getting tougher and tougher and noone wants to hire an ex-druggie nowadays.
On 2005-03-26 15:05:00, Antigen wrote:
"Do you plan on covering the slide into bankrupsy? Just curious.No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats---approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care less.
--Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom:
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That is up to the participant's disgression. The interview process does examine one's lifestlye prior to and after attending or working at a CEDU program. One can obviously choose to "pass" on certain questions, and although discouraged in most cases, we can take a number of measures to ensure an interviewee remains annonymous in the final piece. Why don't I encourage annonymity do you ask? It is often difficult for the audience to identify or empathise with an obscurred face or voice. I will adress this issue with each interviewee individually prior to an interview.
As for your specific concern, on Monday March 28th at 10:13 AM PST, I have yet to encounter any proof/evidence of anyone being denied employment as a direct result of their envolvement with CEDU as a student, staff or otherwise. This could change, but I doubt I'll remember to post it on this message board if it does.
thanks,
[email protected]
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Who is doing the documentary film???
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I hope this film isn't biased about being aw great place in students eyes.
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Of course it will be biased, who the fuck cares though...CEDU IS DEAD!!!
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Sometimes I feel like I'm repeating myself. This film will be historical look at Cedu's history--not a positive or negative propaganda piece. There will be enough opinions on each side of the fence to create an equal balance and maintain objectivity in that sense.
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Keepin the post alive...
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It's on to Texas and the southwest.
E-mail [email protected] to schedule an interview.
And to west-coasters: don't worry, we'll be back soon.
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[email protected]
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Back on the East Coast for a couple weeks.
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What ever happened with this????? Where is our documentary?????
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On 2005-01-03 14:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If this fellow or this film were real unbiased reporting, then we would know his name, who he represents, and where he is producing, cutting, and editing the film.
I doubt that there is any film or documentary, and, if there is one, it is a promo by WWASP or some other legal advocare such as an association for the lagal protection of specialty schools.
This guy wants our identities, but then where is his true and proved identity? There is not even a real address.
I would be very careful with this bullshit. People who do such films usually allow annonomous individuals to speak. If they don't allow whistle blowers, then they must clearly be on the boarding school side, they must be clearly biased and clearly lying.
Don't give them a pot to shit in. I think they are bullshitters or lawyers.
You all know how these scum-bags operate. You went to school there or worked there - I worked there and we all know without any reservation that RMA and all the other spauns are pure cunning, unethical, twisted, perverted psuedo- psychology i.e. CULT. Anyone who sees it differently must, therefore, be a convert.
The Soldier "
Good Advice.
This can only be one thing. It is a promotional film that CEDU will use to recruit parents. Mark my words. When all is said and done Brown Schools will cut out all the truth and leave all the lies and illusion showing a wonderful, life changing program. People who speak about abuses will be made in the cut to look like pond scum. All they have to do is use music and emotion and short testamonials, then throw in the worst, most insane and irrational advocate against the program as "evidence" that the nay sayers are all imbicles.
Anyone who believes CEDU was a “positive influence” is seriously mentally ill.
The notion that a “documentary” by amateurs (insane amateurs, at that) without a distribution deal will be less “obscure” than this message board is absurd.
The notion that a “documentary” about CEDU made by CEDU disciples will be anything but a tool for recruitment and legal obfuscation is absurd.
In a few months I’ll have a site up with all of our testimonies, evidence of CEDU’s roots in Synanon, its bribery of law enforcement bureaucracies and, of course, abduction, imprisonment and torture of helpless creatures together. Please, help me put it together, even
It will have a “sponsored” link from google. So when you type “CEDU” or “torture” or “child abuse” into a search engine this site will appear at the side of the screen.
So that’s as non-“obscure,” as you can get.
Stay away from cult disciples, supporters of murderers the innocent.
Little Rabbit
RIP
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Looking forward to seeing the new site.
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Don't forget that Liam's documentary is scheduled to be released in December of 2008. (Or there abouts)
I was interviewed for it, have seen some preliminary clips from it, and can attest that I think it will be a factual, very real, and hard hitting little film about the bullshit we went through....
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Don't forget that Liam's documentary is scheduled to be released in December of 2008. (Or there abouts)
I was interviewed for it, have seen some preliminary clips from it, and can attest that I think it will be a factual, very real, and hard hitting little film about the bullshit we went through....
My close friend committed suicide after being tortured in cedu. It was more than bullshit in many cases it was murder, others an act of gross and willful mutilation, oh, not to mention kidnapping, forced imprisonment, and a handy little pyramid scheme.
What an unbIevable nightmare
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Cedu Documentary - Clip 1 preview
http://liamscheff.com/daily/2008/10/08/ ... ry-clip-1/ (http://liamscheff.com/daily/2008/10/08/cedu-documentary-clip-1/)
More on the way, and working toward completion, festival circuit, etc...
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Nice work. Looking forward to the rest.
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Please leave comments at the Cedu Doc. blogsite as well -
http://liamscheff.com/daily/cedu-documentary/ (http://liamscheff.com/daily/cedu-documentary/)
The site will be updated as clips are posted. Fornits users are welcome!
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Please leave comments at the Cedu Doc. blogsite as well -
http://liamscheff.com/daily/cedu-documentary/ (http://liamscheff.com/daily/cedu-documentary/)
The site will be updated as clips are posted. Fornits users are welcome!
Hi.
Liam how do you personally feel about Cedu? Do you feel it was a "positive" experience?
I am nervous that this might be a peice of propaganda...
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I don't want to speak for Liam--you can read his commentary for yourself, or check out his blog, but the last thing this documentary is a pro-CEDU propaganda piece. The last thing.
And while I could fake a measure of diplomacy, only a total moron would ever plug CEDU as anything but the emotionally and psychologically clusterfuck of an experience it was.
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I don't want to speak for Liam--you can read his commentary for yourself, or check out his blog, but the last thing this documentary is a pro-CEDU propaganda piece. The last thing.
And while I could fake a measure of diplomacy, only a total moron would ever plug CEDU as anything but the emotionally and psychologically clusterfuck of an experience it was.
It was a torture chamber where a kid i know was killed. That is the objective truth. It's good to state the truth, diplomatic or not. So Laim's aware it was a gulag, he's not brainwashed, right?
i'll check his blog
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I don't want to speak for Liam--you can read his commentary for yourself, or check out his blog, but the last thing this documentary is a pro-CEDU propaganda piece. The last thing.
And while I could fake a measure of diplomacy, only a total moron would ever plug CEDU as anything but the emotionally and psychologically clusterfuck of an experience it was.
alia, morgan, everyone who participated in this doc...(i just saw a clip)...thank-you so much
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I'm just curious. This thread goes back to 2005 which I'm sure pre-dates Liam's project a bit. So, are there two documentary projects going on? What happened to the earlier one if these are two seperate things? If the first one lost steam and fizzled out, maybe they should donate some of their material to Liam to complete his project or something. eh? ???