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Quote from: "Miss Antsy Pam"
You people can choose to believe whatever you want, but I am an ANTI-PROGRAM parent. For the record, I am against "forced treatment" I did not get involved with this cause for fun....I find what they do deplorable! I do not take what Psy said personally as I KNOW it was NOT directed at me.....blah blah...sticks & stones
READ my signature line on Antiwwasp BELOW if you want to know what I think or what I stand for:
Parents....read BETWEEN the lines of your child's letters, ask for inspection reports...DO NOT send your child out of the U.S. or to any Behavior Modification programs...behavior is only modified by TORTURE & ABUSE...you have been lied to!
I am a program parent and a little more open minded than yourself and maybe because I am a little more knowledgable.QuoteOh really...then you should have been able to spellcheck the word "knowledgeable." LOL You may be more versed in "program lingo" if you went to and/or you completed the seminars. You are kidding RIGHT?? You could not see those for what they were? Tsk Tsk[/color]
QuoteI believe there are programs that are abusive and those that are helpful. I don’t judge people I don’t know, Oh yes you DO - you "prejudged" ME pretty quickly so I am sure you have your reasons to be anti-program miss pam. Yes, I do have my reasons. After what WWASP did to my son in 60 days is MORE THAN UNCONSCIONABLE!QuoteI don’t expect to change your opinions. You wont. My family has experienced great success and reading here I have seen that others have been less fortunate. I am very happy for you & your family....truly!
I do agree that parents should not send their children outside of the US. Now, we have 1 commonality as parents I have not seen any programs station there which I feel have a proven track record. Your post leads me to believe you are a little ignorant on the use of Behavior Modification. Again with the assumptions...how do you know that I am not a practicing psychologist?
Adjusting a person behavior does not require abuse or torture, you have been mis informed. Behavior modification is achieved thru positive and negative reinforcement. Those WWASPIES did a good job with YOU and I am sure they would be quiet pleased! If you ever had children a critical step in their development was when you potty trained your child (hopfully thru positive reinforcement). This is an example of behavior modification. Thank you for that little lesson :-) I have noticed that many of the definitions of behavior mod, torture, abuse have been distorted by posters Like YOU. here so I can see why people here get this confused.
Quote from: "Guest"Quote from: "psy"
Look. They're WWASP parents, which immediately says something (i.e. not exactly brightest bulbs in the pack... or just plum incredibly naive).
Hear this Miss Antsy Pam? This is what people really think about you.
If you asked her, I think you'd hear a similar opinion from her regarding parents who kept their kids in the program.
I know quite a few people who have been to Juvie and a program. Guess which one they say is worse, unanimously?
I actually didnt read this blog so anyone want to provide cliff notes?
Oh. That's right.... you're taking credit for the impact of the financial recession is having on programs. :beat:
:roflmao:
Just got some news today that as of Friday, January 13th Darrington Academy began transferring students to other facilities and Today there were several white vans outside the facility.
Personally I question if the economy is really to blame for the consecutive closures of WWASP affiliated facilities or do we have a group of child advocates to thank for this.
Quote from: "Miss Antsy Pam"
I guess it would be too much to ask you to list the schools that your company has on their DNR list? If you don't ask, you never know!
Miss Antsy Pam, I know it wasn’t you and didn’t mean to imply that. I have one of those troll thingies hanging on me. I don’t refer to the places he/she is mentioning. At least they are not on my list. I know that I cannot reveal the names of the schools, but I can tell you the types of things we put schools and programs on the list for
But Just pulling up a few on the screen jogs my memory.
1) Not returning money due parents whose child was removed from a school for medical reasons.
2) Program misled agency. Audit findings: Program therapist was not licensed, nor had a background consistent with what was needed to work with children. There was a doctor who prescribed medications but had no mental health training. Had several law suits pending and was working with an expired out of state license.
12R/Academy
3) Program sued 2 of our parents for breach of contract for pulling children out of school. Children needed immediate medical treatment outside the realm of what the school could provide and advertised as such. We intervened on their behalf and were able to get the school to compensate for their loss and then the school sued us.
4) One place required some unethical practice before we received a commission. I never received the details on this one.
5) Academy. An all girls program insured us that they perform cory checks on all employees, but when we got there they had no records. They had unauthorized males walking freely on the premises and the girls had very minimal privacy. We were given a tour of the facility and living quarters, there was 1 male on our audit team and the person giving the tour entered various dorm rooms (in use) and one shower area (in use) unannounced without knocking. It was clear that the girls were not given time to prepare or dress properly. The person giving the tour seemed annoyed with my questions, didn’t know who the males were in the hallway and suggest we submit any further questions in writing. Their program initially seemed solid but the ones insuring us of this were off site when we got there and we never met them. We never referred to them, this was the initial visit. They did respond with a letter of apology and terminated the person giving the tour. They are not open anymore and we reported all the findings to the authorities.
6BT/School
6) 3 programs engaged in unethical payment structuring.
7)Misc: Several programs had poor post graduation follow-up interviews. 2 students lost a considerable amount of weight which was never documented by the program. One child had 2 teeth removed without the parents consent. One child had stitches in their scalp but no documentation of a doctors visit, but the parents were invoiced $700 for medical procedure and transportation costs. 4 children were forced to eat pork. 1 child had extreme dental decay. 3 children exhibited self inflicted wounds on their legs and or arms. 7 children who were on the wrong medication. 1 child will only sleep in a dirty basement of the house. 1 child with an incarcerated hernia which required immediate hospitalization and surgery. One child suffering from extreme depression and required in-patient evaluation. 3 attempted suicides( under the age of 16). 17 children ran away post graduation. 5 children reported chronic truancy. 12 families experienced divorce with child living with relatives. 47 parents invoiced for damages to dorm rooms and common areas.etc.
All of our information is reported to the local authorities, board of education, DSS or equivalent etc. and various other agencies. We share this information with other referral agencies also. But I don’t think it is something we can legally make public. Most of the info is old, places shut down or problems have been resolved.
We don’t give second chances (or reaudits) to the problem schools unless there has been a total change in management and staff otherwise how can you trust them to do what they say they do, on paper, after we leave. It is very rare to take someone off the list. Our success is heavily based on trust because we cannot be with the child during their stay there and we know we are responsible for the child and their family.
Oh my,after reading all of this again I have some second thoughts about how we do things, although I do support the good work we do, I think we could do things a little differently. I wish we could have prevented more of this from happening instead of reacting to it. I didn’t realize there was so much, makes me think a little I admit, there is more but I don’t want to think about it right now. We have pages and pages of testimonies from kids who are better off because of our placements. Much more than the kids and families I listed above and none of what I listed will reoccur because we don’t send kids to them anymore.
Quote from: ""Bone Anney""Enlighten me English major.QuoteHow many fucking parents do you think are on here.
Quote from: "Miss Antsy Pam"Quote from: "Guest"So how many people called up the Wasp big shots and gave them a piece of their mind? I'm going to guess that nobody did. After all this time you are still afraid of the program, how pathetic is that?
*raising my hand*
I did! I had a blast calling everyone at 4am to say Hi and tell them what I thought of them. Had a nice long conversation with Rick Darrington after waking him up. Dace Goulding's wife called me back to tell me what a bitch I was...lol
that's fantastic
So how many people called up the Wasp big shots and gave them a piece of their mind? I'm going to guess that nobody did. After all this time you are still afraid of the program, how pathetic is that?
Quote from: "Miss Antsy Pam"Pam the parent here now....
On another note: Seems I have been labeled a murderer, accused of being Martha and now have been downgraded to thewho status. Thank you very much.
Quote from: "KathyS"There are groups for “open discussion” on the industry.
What sites, pray tell, might these "open" places be where discussion of good and bad is permissible? Perhaps they would allow me to voice my opinions, if it's so open. As you have seen, I can be quite diplomatic. Perhaps Pam, Buzzkill, or other parents or ex-staff members could be permitted to speak as well.