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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Benchmark Young Adult School / Benchmark Transitions => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 04, 2009, 12:03:20 PM
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Psy was definitely not kidnapped , brainwashed or even abused. He actually voluntarily signed himself in as an adult to a rehab program for adults from 18-27. He could of left at any time, as any adult who signs themselves into rehab can do. They might pressure you a bit to stay, that's their job after all, but in the end everybody knows if you are an adult you can leave whenever you want. Psy never went to a program as an adolescent, he was brought on as fornits admin because he wanted to fit in with a group of victims, and had the necessary technical skills to maintain the forum.
Is this true Psy?
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You know, the best way to find out is to go to benchmark and ask some of the kids on the sly. Don't be asking for permission or they'll give you a few higher stage kids or trusted ones. Go cruise the ghetto motels of Redlands and sooner or later you'll find a Benchmark kid. Hell, Psy and I found 3 of them in motels for various crimes against the state. I remember one of the hotels being so sketchy looking that I refused to sleep on the bed and opted for the floor.
I can tell you that Psy probably wasn't physically abused. I do know they took their best shot at screwing with his head. The very time I saw Benchmark I can remember expressing my disbelief that it was a program. The place looks like an apartment complex and definitely not a program. I looked over at Psy who was driving and noticed that he was tensed up, freaked out, and not happy to be near the place again. Take a look at the lawsuit papers and you'll see where he talks about the 'friendship' seminar to understand more about the mental abuse that goes on at such programs.
Psy when to benchmark under his own steam as the school promised him and his family all sorts of crapola. They failed to deliver, they later on tried to sue Psy into silence, and they lost hard.
Not everyone is drug to a program kicking and screaming. Not everyone is given a good taste of the face to dirt restraints, not everyone is forced to lay face down on the concrete all day, and nor is everyone shoved into a solitary confinement room called the hobbit. Psy went to the program as an adult, and he did have the choice to leave.
He was given the choice to live homeless on the streets of Redlands California. As his parents weren't up to speed yet on what Benchmark was all about they were under the impression that the best recourse to dealing with their child was threats of being cut off. In the end, his parents saw through the charade of benchmark and they took him home.
Now two things to consider, the very first night we were in Benchmark both Psy and I witnessed a gang fight at a drive through. We were sitting in the drive through getting dinner when it happened right behind us. Further, young men and women who go homeless in Redlands have very few services to draw upon. In a conversation with a member of a local charity group that we approached it became obvious that the homeless in Redlands are shit out of luck for support.
Going homeless in Redlands is a dangerous proposition for someone with no street sense. Psy's a nice kid and fairly smart, but in the end he would have been easy meat for the nearest predator. The city is in the middle of a major drug trafficking corridor and is known for its violence.
I've had my ups and downs with Psy over the years. However, despite our semi-annual headbutting contests I do appreciate the fact that he is around to keep things running. Doing his job as the admin of this more or less un-moderated forum is a thankless task. Doesn't really matter what he does or why he does it as someone is always going to complain.
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He must have went to Benchmark for a good reason, yes?
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He must have went to Benchmark for a good reason, yes?
Not necessarily. Kids have been sent to programs for things like not doing their homework. And some of these places advertise as regular boarding schools.
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Why was did he voluntarily go to Benchmark? He was not abducted or a detainee.
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"detainee (http://http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/num_act/sora200456o2004338/s3.html)" means a person who is detained in a youth training centre or youth residential centre within the meaning of the Children and Young Persons Act 1989
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I can tell you that Psy probably wasn't physically abused.
Many times it is far more damaging to witness abuse.
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Michael Crawford aka. "Psy" was mentally unfit. I saw his files.
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Recent poster relating to Michael Crawford,
Whoever you are stay up on this site. I have started a foundation called the Anti-Defamtion society. We will be contacting all programs for contributions. This Che will start using extreme profanity referring to beastiality, homosexuality, and other pornographic topics. He is a prime target he has made accusations of torture, kidnapping, beastiality and child abuse against many companies. Please write down our name and look for us we will be seeking contributions. There are a number of attorney's that will take this site, crawford and whoever else to Federal Court.
Now Mr. Porno mouth tell us what program you were in and how "close" are you to Crawford. Let this poster really see the filth that you can spray the area with.
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Michael Crawford aka. "Psy" was mentally unfit. I saw his files.
Are you interested in helping our society, stay posted, we will have a web site soon Center for Anti Defamation of Professional Youth Workers
We are going to get a seasoned civil rights attorney and who ever donates a certain amount will have access to our strategies and tactics to shut down Michael Crawford's little Fornit Defamers and their overall revenge insurgency against some good folks.
This dirty mouthed little punk Che was afraid of the big bad streets of Redlands, because deep down he is a boob and yet he uses profanity that his name sake Che Guevara would consider childish. Keep your conversation going with him he will finally loose it and start talking about having sex with farm animals. Ursus thinks he cute and admires his cruddy little mouth.
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He must have went to Benchmark for a good reason, yes?
That implies you are aware teens get sent to programs for bad reasons, yes?
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Michael Crawford aka. "Psy" was mentally unfit. I saw his files.
Either you're lying in which case you've defamed both me and Benchmark with actual malice (and they sue people, believe you me)... Or you're telling the truth (partially) and Benchmark did something very very unethical (sharing my records). I'm partial to the prior because the records don't paint me as crazy. If anything they paint the program as crazy. I had to fight to get them back in full. They weren't exactly compliant until I got a lawyer involved.
As to the rest of the accusations, Che covered most of it (thanks, btw), though I might add that benchmark denies students their rightful property, identification, and money if they choose to leave. We saw, and recorded on video tape, them doing this to another student. As Che has noted, the area isn't exactly stellar anyway and there aren't any homeless shelters either... And all the other allegations have been answered elsewhere.
And to mister anti defamation whoever. Many have tried to bring legal action against this site and have failed. Go right ahead and be the next boob to embarrass yourself. This site itself is not responsible and never will be for the postings of the forum's individual users. Google has the exact same policy for the exact same reason. Read communications decency act section 230 or check out google's explanation:
http://www.google.com/support/blogger/b ... swer=60835 (http://www.google.com/support/blogger/bin/answer.py?answer=60835)
We do not remove allegedly defamatory content from http://www.google.com (http://www.google.com) or any other U.S. dot com domains.
US domain sites such as Google.com, Blogger, Page Creator, etc. are sites regulated only by U.S. law. Given this fact, and pursuant to Section 230(c) of the Communications Decency Act, we do not remove allegedly defamatory material from U.S. domains. The only exception to this rule is if the material has been found to be defamatory by a court, as evidenced by a court order.
The language of Section 230(c) of the Communications Decency Act fundamentally states that Internet services like Google.com, Blogger and many of Google’s other services are republishers and not the publisher of that content. Therefore, these sites are not held liable for any allegedly defamatory, offensive or harassing content published on the site.
tl;dr: we provide a service. If people misuse those services it's on them, not us.
And Ginger and myself have been sued as well, personally. In her case her representation was free. In my case my representation took the case on a contingent fee basis and took the plaintiff to the cleaners using anti-SLAPP legislation. If you want to try that approach and lose yourself a whole lot of money, be my guest. Threats don't work against me, antigen, or mostly anybody who cares about this issue enough to post. All it does is make you look desperate, petty, and frankly, a bit unstable. Mostly anything I've said I've said in general terms about programs in general. I don't claim to have inside knowledge about any particular program unless I actually do. To the extent my opinions piss you off, I suggest you man up, grow a sack, and reread the constitution.
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Psy has now confirmed that he
*Voluntarily entered a treatment program as an adult*
*Could of left at any time*
*Was not abused*
I guess that is why Psy also considers AA, religion, and any other voluntary organization adults participate in to be cults and abusive as well. Only the extreme of the extreme misguided person could possibly hold this illogical view.
The proof that Benchmark is not abusive also comes from the fact Psy and Che went to Benchmark with the intent to lure kids away. They even offered them money, help and a place to stay. How many of these 'oppressed detainees' took their offer? Not one, not a single one. Ironically they actually went and proved the opposite of their intent, kind of funny really.
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Psy has now confirmed that he
*Voluntarily entered a treatment program as an adult*
*Could of left at any time*
*Was not abused*
I didn't confirm anything. I just didn't address certain topics, such as the above, which were already addressed elsewhere in great depth. Use the search function or add site:fornits.com to a google query.
I guess that is why Psy also considers AA, religion, and any other voluntary organization adults participate in to be cults and abusive as well.
No. I don't consider any of those things to be inherently cults, though there are some AA chapters that have crossed the line into full blown cults, there are churches that have gone over that line, and there are programs for adults that have crossed that line (most famously, Synanon). Any group of almost any sort has the potential to become a cult. I use Margaret singer's criteria to apply the word. She required three things:
1: origin of the group
2: use of thought reform (read robert lifton about this)
3: structure of the group (like an inverted T)
Many programs fit those three criteria and so I would label them cults. Is every program a cult? no. To say that would be prejudiced. Are the vast vast majority of programs for teens in the US descended from Synanon, do they use thought reform, and are they authoritarian? Yes.
The proof that Benchmark is not abusive also comes from the fact Psy and Che went to Benchmark with the intent to lure kids away. They even offered them money, help and a place to stay. How many of these 'oppressed detainees' took their offer? Not one, not a single one. Ironically they actually went and proved the opposite of their intent, kind of funny really.
That's because most in the program proper don't understand the system is (IMO) rigged against them in such a way that they'll be there until their parents run out of money. The ones in the program proper were also told many lies about us. They were told that we were on drugs. They were told that I had been denied a security clearance. They were told that I was fired from my job. They were told that we were lying and would not help them. Those are just some of the practical reasons. I could go on for pages on why... without even mentioning thought reform, which was a big part of it, imo.
One kid did decide to go, though, and the program went to almost comical lengths to prevent him from succeeding. Read the benchmark ylf hilarity ensues thread that documents it. It has much video content and so forth explaining all this.
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Psy,
Way to go...kick guests' teeth in.
By the way, CALO does the exact same thing. They deny individuals their therapy records as well and keep the money to boot, they cite confidentiality or non payment of last months tuition or some garbage like that. When pushed, Ken even likes to yell at the parents and make threats. Seems a recurring theme. 2.5 hours of "therapy" for $10K a month, deny parents what is legally theirs, pretend to deliver trust of care, free slave labor...use the kids as landscapers and janitors....What a joke. They told us the children would have 24/7 access to professional therapists. I guess that meant 2.5 hrs of a licensed therapist telling us "how does that make YOU feel" and 21.5 hrs of some uneducated kid making $9.00/hr for the rest. JOKE JOKE BS BS BS and one more JOKE. + more BS.
Guest is some seriously damaged goods. But it's good to know they exist and good to have a defense against them, the truth and the law, and if that doesn't work, a big stick when necessary.
CG
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Guest is some seriously damaged goods. But it's good to know they exist and good to have a defense against them, the truth and the law, and if that doesn't work, a big stick when necessary.
Did you say big stick or big dick?
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Well,
you can choose which one you'd like smacked upside your head, in your mouth or up your ass. Remember, you have choices, I won't think less of you.
CG
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My parents sent me to program because I'm bisexual...
You are still selling this bullshit to people, huh? This thread has already established your parents didn't send you anywhere. You voluntary duped the US govt. out of money [otherwise known as larceny] to attend , as you claim, unnecessary treatment as an adult who could of just walked out if you were unsatisfied.
I don't believe your whole 'im a bisexual' claim either. How many assholes have been graced with the presence of your, no doubt, deformed penis inside of them? Oh, you're a bottom. Should of guessed, well then how many times a week do you get
your fudge packed. Have you ever had homosexual butt sex? I think you claim to be bisexual as a part of your whole 'im a victim of society and programs' online mystique you seem so keen to spin. Someone told me you're a virgin who can't even get your dick hard due to long term Prozac usage. Is that true?
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Well,
you can choose which one you'd like smacked upside your head, in your mouth or up your ass. Remember, you have choices, I won't think less of you.
CG
Parents of dysfunctional teens usually talk like this.
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No just the ones that don't tolerate your crap.
We are relentless.
CG
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[quote="Whooter Jr]
Curious George wants to gain acceptance from fornits members.[/quote]
Since when did Fornits require a membership?
That's not my user name it's just the sound of my gun being dry fired.
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Translation: Whooter Jr needs a gun (penis).
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Gee, man, what the hell didya eat?! How about a courtesy flush?
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Fun fact
Psy probably signed him self in as did i and im sure 90% of us at the place
why? becouse 1. some of us trusted our parents or 2. it was that or be homeless and in some cases 3. that or face jail time for some
now here is the kicker this imo could be considered duress in which case any thing we signed is meaningless
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WHO GIVE A SHIT, SO HE SIGNED HIMSELF IN. HE PROBABLY HAD SOME OVER BARRING PARENTS MAKING HIM DO IT. HE STILL SAW THINGS THAT HE NEEDS TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT. YOU OLE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING CRAZY ALWAYS POINTING FINGERS ALL THE TIME. SURE HE PISSES ME OFF MORE SO FOR HIS LITTLE BULLSHIT ON HERE BUT HE IS STILL A VICTIM LIKE ALL THE REST. BESIDES MAYBE LOOK INTO YOUR OWN LIVES FIRST BEFORE YOU TRY TO GET THE WORLD TO BELIEVE YOU. YOU ALL LOOK PRETTY STUPID TO ME ALWAYS THIS OR THAT FIGHTING. AND YOU CALL MY MOM IMMATURE. YOU ALL DOUBLE STANDARDOUS LOSERS.
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People you have to realize on thing here. We are dealing with Sharon M McCarthy from ELAN. She is upset at psy because another fornit member made a comment about her 8 year old child. Psy took appropriate action and removed the child's name. Sharon has been foaming at the mouth ever since. Previously, she was foaming at the mouth about Danny Bennison. She also spewed all over fornits about ART. She will always find someone to vomit on. Pay no attention to this communist heathen.
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May of us are sent to programs, and sign in "willingly". It is really forcible by our parents or whomever! I went to one "willingly". Was it willing? Hell NO! I was told if you don't go, then....
Why, you ask? It was because I am gay. BFD! Yes, I had depression that turned out to be a result of Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. Was I denied treatment for it? Yes, in the beginning. Did I witness abuse? Gobs of it! Do I still have nightmares? Yes and I wake up screaming everytime!
I spent 9.5 mos being told gay is BAD! Say you are BI, that is better! Huh. WTF? At one point I signed myself out, and they put me on a 72 hour suicide watch. I was not suicidal! I wanted out of that crazy place, but I was not suicidal. I had just had enough! Eventually, my mother was notified and she was appalled. She immediately, told them to lift some of the restrictions or she would sue. She also demanded that the seizure testing be done. I have severe claustrophobia and they had locked me in for 72 hours on Large Lobby. Look at another Timberlawn post.
No one goes in willingly. Abuse is not always physical, but ask all us about our nightmares. Psy is more sane than you can ever hope to be, whoever you are! He is a terrific friend, a decent human, and a brilliant artist! You should learn from him!