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Messages - Edward Kahn

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Aspen Education Group / Re: Someone had a fun day in Lake Montezuma
« on: April 28, 2011, 10:38:32 AM »
Let's take a step back and keep things in perspective.  The most important thing is that these children had fun at the lake.  Good programs are fun for kids.

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The importat thing is that Ridge Creek keeps the prices down.  Most parents aren't going to buy more expensive, licensed, accredited services.  RCS is in good position here in my opinion.

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Open Free for All / Re: Wayne Kernochan
« on: April 28, 2011, 10:29:11 AM »
Hello, Mark Babitz!  Do you need a placement for Art in a boarding school for alcohol problems?  I can help you.

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Public Sector Gulags / Re: Unknown program in Calhoun County
« on: April 26, 2011, 06:57:41 AM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Edward Kahn"
Thank you, Ursus!  That is great information.  Many programs with which I work are supported by taxpayers via the largesse of the federal government.  That usually means a healthy margin for people in my line of work can be found.  

I could potentially refer dozens of at-risk children to this wonderful program and collect my fees straight from the government, thusly saving the hard-working parents' dime.  This could work out for everyone!  I'm going to contact Lyndsey right away.  Thanks again for the lead!
It appears that you misread me, Mr. Kahn. This is decidedly a local program. The kids spend the day at the Calhoun County Jail, doing menial chores and whatnot, and go back home at night.

We have a solution to that, Ursus.   We call them "host families".  Problem solved!

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Aspen Education Group / Re: Someone had a fun day in Lake Montezuma
« on: April 26, 2011, 06:54:32 AM »
Hello, seamus!  I have never used the SIBS school before.  Do you happen to know the commission schedule?  I'm willing to look into it.

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This appears to be the oppotune moment to get some of my, well, less than legally compliant teen referrals into RCS.  Plus it's inexpensive which translates into healthy margins!

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Quote from: "AuntieEm2"
Hello, Edward Kahn!

So you are the marketing director for the IECA? Or maybe an online marketing content provider paid by Aspen? Or an educational consultant looking to drum up business?

Aspen Education Group is indeed one very finest top-notch profiteers in the troubled teen industry. Its parent company is CRC Health Group, Inc. of California, which is, in turn, owned by Bain Capital, LLC, headquartered in Boston with offices in New York, London, Munich, Hong Kong, Shanghai and Tokyo. In 2010, Aspen/CRC Health's annual report showed that the company’s average net income (so after costs) per youth per day in residential programs was $250.46, or clear and bankable profit of $91,417.90 per child per year. The outdoor division (the wilderness programs) is even more profitable, netting $440.23 per day or $160,683.95 per year.

Educational consultants are being paid for their referrals—the enterprising ones are, anyway—so let’s see, a 10% per head bounty would produce quite a comfortable living for an “ed con” if he or she found only 5-10 parents online who could be “scared straight” into sending their child to a program. Wow, I'm in the wrong business.

AuntieEm2, I had no idea about the margins on wilderness therapy.  Do you have any contact information for Aspen's wilderness therapy marketing director?  I need to speak to him/her right away.  I have a few clients with at-risk children that would benefit from a year or more in wilderness therapy.  Do you think they would allow children to stay in the wilderness program for up to two years?  I'm thinking now that it might be even more effective than boarding school.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: Someone had a fun day in Lake Montezuma
« on: April 25, 2011, 01:29:56 PM »
Hello, AuntieEm2!  Forgive me if I missed something here, but I didn't see any links or data that suggest the school is in ongoing violation of any laws.  It appears to me that they are working with the state to address some minor concerns and that the process is so transparent that we all have access to the records.  I view this as a good thing.

In my experience with Aspen Education Group, they are among the very finest providers of top-notch traditional boarding schools with special purposes and that 100% of students go on to the college of their choice.  They are thriving and growing, just like the at-risk youths they serve.

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Public Sector Gulags / Re: Unknown program in Calhoun County
« on: April 25, 2011, 01:19:58 PM »
Thank you, Ursus!  That is great information.  Many programs with which I work are supported by taxpayers via the largesse of the federal government.  That usually means a healthy margin for people in my line of work can be found.  

I could potentially refer dozens of at-risk children to this wonderful program and collect my fees straight from the government, thusly saving the hard-working parents' dime.  This could work out for everyone!  I'm going to contact Lyndsey right away.  Thanks again for the lead!

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: What is a parent to do?
« on: April 25, 2011, 11:10:57 AM »
Hello, Froderik!  I take umbrage with your characterization of my presence here.  While I am an academic adviser, I am certainly not a "shill" as you describe.  We offer valuable, effective services to families with troubled children who are not thriving at home.  Please keep an open mind to what we offer.  I am open to discussion, but we must maintain some degree of civility.

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Hello, Oscar!  I offered you a thoughtful response earlier and it was deleted.  I thought this was an open forum?  There seems to be no discussion here and those of differing points of view have their thoughts deleted.  How is this discussion forum supposed to grow in this manner?

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Public Sector Gulags / Re: Unknown program in Calhoun County
« on: April 25, 2011, 10:58:24 AM »
Do you know if this program accepts out of state referrals and what they charge?  There could possibly be a margin in there somewhere.  Do you have contact information for the program director?

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Open Free for All / edward kahn
« on: April 25, 2011, 10:53:03 AM »
Let me jump in here for a moment, if I may.  We all should be able to agree that these "citations," as you call them, are simply an indicator that "the system is working".  We ought not to view them as problems for this fine school, but rather as indicators that the school is evolving, improving and has a strict policy of transparency.  These schools have come a long way, Mr. Kids.  We need to give credit where credit is due.  Without exemplary service providers such as this we would have real problems in our society.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: What is a parent to do?
« on: April 25, 2011, 10:46:53 AM »
Hello, Ursus!  Thank you kindly for your high praise.  I'd like to correct one item in your statement, however.  Our services, while they seem quite priceless to parents, are actually affordable to nearly everyone.  We offer a sliding scale fee in order to make a new boarding school placement for your child possible in today's economy.  Many of our academic service providers have offered to help bridge the gap in parents' finances in order to allow their children to attend some of the most prestigious private boarding schools with special purposes available today.  

We give a little so you can get a lot!

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: What is a parent to do?
« on: April 25, 2011, 10:19:15 AM »
Quote from: "Torn"
I'm probably just going to get flamed to hell and back for posting this, but here goes...

Our 15yo daughter is in a downward spiral.  She comes home if and when she chooses.  She attends school if and when she chooses.  We cannot prove but have very good reason to believe she is sexual active, drinking and doing drugs.  (She readily admits her friends do but claims she does not.)  She has a history of shoplifting and is a pathological liar.  She used to be a straight A student with a bright future.  We have tried various forms of therapy - and she now refuses to participate.

We have offered her rewards for good behavior and denial of privileges for bad behavior.  She invariably chooses the latter.  She uses school as a weapon to threaten us - "let me do what I want or I won't go to school" - unfortunately she has now skipped enough school that it no longer matters.

We've reached the point that we don't know what else to do and are considering the kind of TBS that this forum bashes as "abusive" and "coercive".  We're trying to balancing the rights and well being of our daughter against the absolute need for an intervention.  I personally had such an intervention when I was 16; I was heading down the wrong path and my mother forced me into a private school.  In retrospect I am very grateful; I went on to college and now have a successful professional career.  (In contrast, none of my circle of friends "made it".)  My case was considerably less dramatic however.  I was convinced to go, and our daughter has flat-out refused.

So here I am seeking advise from those whose views are among the most extreme I have found against TBS's.  Doing nothing and allowing our daughter to destroy her life is *not* an option.  She will not participate in any solutions we have proposed.  She is the most dependent independent person I know, and she depends heavily on those she can manipulate - older boys with a car and a job - for she was blessed with natural beauty and a quick mind.  While she believes this is an acceptable path to success we do not, and as her parents it is not only our right but our obligation to take action, which will be against her will and therefore coercive.

This is not intended as flamebait and I am not a troll.  I am posting here because I am sensitive to the inherent risks in the decision we are considering, and am truly trying to do the right thing for our daughter.

Are there *any* programs which would be considered acceptable?  When the kid simply won't participate in our efforts to save her from her poor choices, what's a parent to do?

Torn, please understand you are not alone.  We can help you make the right decisions for your daughter.  Let us help you.

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