Fornits
General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Botched Programming on September 30, 2010, 11:39:46 AM
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In my humble opinion it seems as though things have gotten to light on the pro-program shill and harder on the people who are against it... I see where Fornits ask to help with operating costs... and I see where it is $70.00 over paid... Makes me think that Whooter is the one who is footing the bill and hence all the new rules... Just food for thought... If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... Just might be a duck !!!! [/color]
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Yeah, I stopped donating to Fornits. Why should I pay for the industry shills to control the forums? BTW, Whooter just leeches. He has never donated to Fornits. He's here to shut it down, not keep it alive.
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Yeah, I stopped donating to Fornits. Why should I pay for the industry shills to control the forums? BTW, Whooter just leeches. He has never donated to Fornits. He's here to shut it down, not keep it alive.
Whats wrong DJ? Did fornits shut down your trolling and attacks on the pro-program people? You name became so soiled after we exposed your quest posting and 100's of aliases that you took my advice and flushed it down the toilet. I would be ashamed myself if I had written those filthy posts.
Good bye, "Dysfunction Junction"... Hello "Controlling Troll". Much more appropriate name!! lol
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So what if I used hundreds of different logins on fornits? Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do to add value to your business. Lol. You people act like there's something wrong with capitalism.
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Can't make it go away.
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This is so much fun. I can make up any quote I want about Whooter and the stupid readers will never ask me for a link. They are so gullible, they are putty in my hands. Maybe I will add another 50 names to Whooters Alias list just for fun. Hell, who is ever going to go back through 10,000 posts. lol
I think it has become obvious who the troll is, TC.
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I wonder if maxine contributed any money. Mr. administrator seems to like to handle her with kid gloves.
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Yeah, I stopped donating to Fornits. Why should I pay for the industry shills to control the forums? BTW, Whooter just leeches. He has never donated to Fornits. He's here to shut it down, not keep it alive.
Whats wrong DJ? Did fornits shut down your trolling and attacks on the pro-program people? You name became so soiled after we exposed your quest posting and 100's of aliases that you took my advice and flushed it down the toilet. I would be ashamed myself if I had written those filthy posts.
Good bye, "Dysfunction Junction"... Hello "Controlling Troll". Much more appropriate name!! lol
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Now look who is being the troll... Chasing down DJ just to comment on his every post.... OY VAY !!!! :soapbox:
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Yeah, I stopped donating to Fornits. Why should I pay for the industry shills to control the forums? BTW, Whooter just leeches. He has never donated to Fornits. He's here to shut it down, not keep it alive.
Whats wrong DJ? Did fornits shut down your trolling and attacks on the pro-program people? You name became so soiled after we exposed your quest posting and 100's of aliases that you took my advice and flushed it down the toilet. I would be ashamed myself if I had written those filthy posts.
Good bye, "Dysfunction Junction"... Hello "Controlling Troll". Much more appropriate name!! lol
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Now look who is being the troll... Chasing down DJ just to comment on his every post.... OY VAY !!!! :soapbox:
Ha,Ha,Ha So now I am the troll. Thats funny, but you have to admit he does deserve a little back once in awhile. I endured it quite well for years I think. So why are you trolling my posts Botched? lol
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In my humble opinion it seems as though things have gotten to light on the pro-program shill and harder on the people who are against it... I see where Fornits ask to help with operating costs... and I see where it is $70.00 over paid... Makes me think that Whooter is the one who is footing the bill and hence all the new rules... Just food for thought... If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... Just might be a duck !!!! [/color]
So back to the original post, Botched. How do the new rules favor pro-program people? I could they favor me? If I relied on posting under various aliases then how does this favor me?
If I am reading you correctly the only way these new rules would favor me is if you were forced to drop your many aliases and now can only post as Botched and you and your buddies cannot troll people (me) all day anymore. I think you tilted your hand and stepped in it all at the same time with your OP, but I could be completely wrong maybe there is another reason why you dont like the new rules.
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Congrats, Psy and Ginger...
Fornits is now run not only by pro-program shills, but people with the lowest ethical standards.
At its inception, it was a safe haven for people who needed it. That place is dead.
It has nothing to do with moderation or stance. It has to do with turning over the site to someone brilliant at sabotage,and has zero conscience. A con artist. And a few stupid ass loose cannons. On both sides.
Proof anarchy never works.
Thank God the rape shelters don't work this way.
hasta!
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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Congrats, Psy and Ginger...
Fornits is now run not only by pro-program shills, but people with the lowest ethical standards.
At its inception, it was a safe haven for people who needed it. That place is dead.
It has nothing to do with moderation or stance. It has to do with turning over the site to someone brilliant at sabotage,and has zero conscience. A con artist. And a few stupid ass loose cannons. On both sides.
Proof anarchy never works.
Thank God the rape shelters don't work this way.
hasta!
The above post translated:
I am really pissed off , Psy and Ginger...
I have been posting here since before 2006 and have had the freedom to troll the pro-program people especially whooter under various aliases.
When you forced everyone to log in you took away my ability to troll from the shadows. So I responded by using my multiple logins. Then you restricted me even further by forcing me to choose one log in name, so I choose Samara which I created several months ago.
I guess I sort of outed myself anyway by saying I have been posting since 2005 and my present Avatar says I joined fornits a few months ago. Oh, well we all lie. I just don’t like it when whooter does it because he is pro-program.
I do admit that I enjoyed the double standard of watching whooter get beat up for the same things myself and many others did. I liked watching Troll Control ride his butt day in and day out with all those aliases. I never spoke up about RobertBruces emails to the family who had a son who committed suicide and a mother who died but I would never do that myself. I just secretly enjoy watching others get hurt. That’s why I never spoke out about it.
If I had my old user names back I would be right in there helping them I suppose. But I only have one username now and I want it to stand for whats left of the good side of me.
We all realize it is now a level playing field and everyone only has one username, but for some reason it just feels unfair that I cant have an advantage over the enemy (Programmies).
This is proof that fairness always hurts the ones who are used to playing dirty the most.
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Joel, it's not high school BS. That's Danny's niche. I'm talking a whole 'nother thing entirely. This place is not a community anymore. It is not safe to share our experiences. For many, this was the only place to talk openly in a manner you couldn't with the "civilians" in your life. There was a shared collective experience that people valued. The funny thing is that we not protect the person who is the antithesis of why this site was founded. In spite of all the lies, salacious accusations, the malevolent puppetry, blackmail buddies, etc.
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Joel, it's not high school BS. That's Danny's niche. I'm talking a whole 'nother thing entirely. This place is not a community anymore. It is not safe to share our experiences. For many, this was the only place to talk openly in a manner you couldn't with the "civilians" in your life. There was a shared collective experience that people valued. The funny thing is that we not protect the person who is the antithesis of why this site was founded. In spite of all the lies, salacious accusations, the malevolent puppetry, blackmail buddies, etc.
Its all a level playing field now, Samara. Dysfunction Junction was exposed for what he is. He is no more and there is no going back. He tried to smear dirt on other people and it turned out he was dirtier than any of them. Its a big disappointment to many people here that I wasnt this big bad guy and I understand that. He cannot lie anymore in the open forum and RobertBruce and his Blackmailing is contained to the Offa thread. So you dont even need to opt in if you dont want to hear it.
How can it not be safer than it was a month ago? If you threaten someone or attack someone or post someones personal information, use multiple sock-puppets you will get banned for it. Isnt that a good thing? where is the down side? you never explained it.
Lets start today to build a new fornits where people feel safe to post without worrying about being attacked or people trying to find out who they are and where they live. Many of us have differing opinions but that is what makes fornits so interesting. If we were all required to have the same opinion in order to post here there would be very little to discuss.
Botched said the same thing you do but you dont explain why you dont feel this is safer for the posters here.
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Joel, it's not high school BS. That's Danny's niche. I'm talking a whole 'nother thing entirely. This place is not a community anymore. It is not safe to share our experiences. For many, this was the only place to talk openly in a manner you couldn't with the "civilians" in your life. There was a shared collective experience that people valued. The funny thing is that we not protect the person who is the antithesis of why this site was founded. In spite of all the lies, salacious accusations, the malevolent puppetry, blackmail buddies, etc.
Samara, I am 52 years old, you dumb little snit. I am sick and tired of you attacking anyone you want then running back to your hovel crying about some lost paradise.
If you want this place to be safe then do it yourself, stand up act like your a women raising two children get some balls and stop, for the love of god, acting like a sniveling child.
I am sick and tired of hearing you fucking adults whine about, "I still being abused" it is 24/7 for some of you. Yes I can emphasize but Jesus, grow up.
Fornits will be exactly what you make of it, you left before for many years, why who knows, probably had something to do with your two boys and a relationship. Well your back now, get busy stop taking and start giving back now. Yesterday is gone, so be it, lets work on today.
Are you women enough or are you still crying over Johnny in the womens bathroon at your H.S.
Quit being a douche bag Danny-Boi.. You and your cronies can have this freaking site... You are such a low life dude.... And I really don't care at this point if I get banned for what I just said !!!!!
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Joel, it's not high school BS. That's Danny's niche. I'm talking a whole 'nother thing entirely. This place is not a community anymore. It is not safe to share our experiences. For many, this was the only place to talk openly in a manner you couldn't with the "civilians" in your life. There was a shared collective experience that people valued. The funny thing is that we not protect the person who is the antithesis of why this site was founded. In spite of all the lies, salacious accusations, the malevolent puppetry, blackmail buddies, etc.
Samara, I am 52 years old, you dumb little snit. I am sick and tired of you attacking anyone you want then running back to your hovel crying about some lost paradise.
If you want this place to be safe then do it yourself, stand up act like your a women raising two children get some balls and stop, for the love of god, acting like a sniveling child.
I am sick and tired of hearing you fucking adults whine about, "I still being abused" it is 24/7 for some of you. Yes I can emphasize but Jesus, grow up.
Fornits will be exactly what you make of it, you left before for many years, why who knows, probably had something to do with your two boys and a relationship. Well your back now, get busy stop taking and start giving back now. Yesterday is gone, so be it, lets work on today.
Are you women enough or are you still crying over Johnny in the womens bathroon at your H.S.
Quit being a douche bag Danny-Boi.. You and your cronies can have this freaking site... You are such a low life dude.... And I really don't care at this point if I get banned for what I just said !!!!!
Botch, first off I have no cronies and if I did I guess they would be Whooter, Max and some others around here.
Ya know what botch, it must be great to be you, you probably have very little personal responsibility, you promote taking drugs and drinking like some little kid getting ready for his prom night or first concert, then out of the other side of your 'soup sucker" you want to pontificate about the injustices of children. Your a walking talking moron or is that a oxy-moron.
Go sit down with yourself and meditate on maturity and then get back to me. Just because you can put some great words together doesn't mean you believe them. Try some integrity my friend.
Why don't you quit acting like a "fair weather" friend when it comes to fornits and get on board and help steer the ship, ya baby sailor.
When did botch and friend ever go hand in hand..lmao lmao lmao
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I wonder if maxine contributed any money. Mr. administrator seems to like to handle her with kid gloves.
I don't even have enough money to pay my own bills, so no I haven't ever donated to fornits. Besides I let the people who need to pay, do it. There are people whose involvement in this industry has left them with a sense of guilt. I'm sure paying fornits hosting bill helps them feel better about themselves.
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Who would want to take away from their own lives to support this nonsense anyways???
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link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31282&p=381101&hilit=+Dysfunction+Junction+...+Hello+Controlling+Troll+#p381039)
Don't go trying to tamper with the evidence now, Whootie. We're watching for your edit stamps.
Yeah, I stopped donating to Fornits. Why should I pay for the industry shills to control the forums? BTW, Whooter just leeches. He has never donated to Fornits. He's here to shut it down, not keep it alive.
Whats wrong DJ? Did fornits shut down your trolling and attacks on the pro-program people? You name became so soiled after we exposed your quest posting and 100's of aliases that you took my advice and flushed it down the toilet. I would be ashamed myself if I had written those filthy posts.
Good bye, "Dysfunction Junction"... Hello "Controlling Troll". Much more appropriate name!! lol
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link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31282&p=381101&hilit=+Dysfunction+Junction+...+Hello+Controlling+Troll+#p381039)
Don't go trying to tamper with the evidence now, Whootie. We're watching for your edit stamps.
Yeah, I stopped donating to Fornits. Why should I pay for the industry shills to control the forums? BTW, Whooter just leeches. He has never donated to Fornits. He's here to shut it down, not keep it alive.
Whats wrong DJ? Did fornits shut down your trolling and attacks on the pro-program people? You name became so soiled after we exposed your quest posting and 100's of aliases that you took my advice and flushed it down the toilet. I would be ashamed myself if I had written those filthy posts.
Good bye, "Dysfunction Junction"... Hello "Controlling Troll". Much more appropriate name!! lol
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I remember that !!, we linked all of DJ's posts together and exposed his true side. He spent days trying to clean up his past and when he realized it was impossible he ran off and changed his name to "Controlling Troll". I think the name suits him well dont you?
Finally you are providing links!!! Good Job. This is really turning out to be good for you lol.
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And you're defense goes bye-bye. You love telling on yourself! I'll forward this over to psy. Thanks, man.
link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31282&p=381101&hilit=+Dysfunction+Junction+...+Hello+Controlling+Troll+#p381039)
Don't go trying to tamper with the evidence now, Whootie. We're watching for your edit stamps.
Yeah, I stopped donating to Fornits. Why should I pay for the industry shills to control the forums? BTW, Whooter just leeches. He has never donated to Fornits. He's here to shut it down, not keep it alive.
Whats wrong DJ? Did fornits shut down your trolling and attacks on the pro-program people? You name became so soiled after we exposed your quest posting and 100's of aliases that you took my advice and flushed it down the toilet. I would be ashamed myself if I had written those filthy posts.
Good bye, "Dysfunction Junction"... Hello "Controlling Troll". Much more appropriate name!! lol
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I remember that !!, we linked all of DJ's posts together and exposed his true side. He spent days trying to clean up his past and when he realized it was impossible he ran off and changed his name to "Controlling Troll". I think the name suits him well dont you?
Finally you are providing links!!! Good Job. This is really turning out to be good for you lol.
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And you're defense goes bye-bye. You love telling on yourself! I'll forward this over to psy. Thanks, man.
link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31282&p=381101&hilit=+Dysfunction+Junction+...+Hello+Controlling+Troll+#p381039)
Don't go trying to tamper with the evidence now, Whootie. We're watching for your edit stamps.
Yeah, I stopped donating to Fornits. Why should I pay for the industry shills to control the forums? BTW, Whooter just leeches. He has never donated to Fornits. He's here to shut it down, not keep it alive.
Whats wrong DJ? Did fornits shut down your trolling and attacks on the pro-program people? You name became so soiled after we exposed your quest posting and 100's of aliases that you took my advice and flushed it down the toilet. I would be ashamed myself if I had written those filthy posts.
Good bye, "Dysfunction Junction"... Hello "Controlling Troll". Much more appropriate name!! lol
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I remember that !!, we linked all of DJ's posts together and exposed his true side. He spent days trying to clean up his past and when he realized it was impossible he ran off and changed his name to "Controlling Troll". I think the name suits him well dont you?
Finally you are providing links!!! Good Job. This is really turning out to be good for you lol.
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Thanks Bruce eerrrr, I mean Dysfunction Junction. lol Tell control Troll I said Hello!!!
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You are kind of losing it today? Whats wrong? Are you going through withdrawal not being able to PM me?
You are in the OFFA now just say what you feel. Start attacking someone, that always makes you feel better. But your PMing days are over. Sorry I had to close my PMs down. But it is for your own good.
All your communication will have to take place out here where everyone can read it.
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Y know...enough allready dude......just cause some body swims inta lake stupid ...dont make you a lifegaurd....cmon already.I mean asshattery is one thing but dont you hold yourself as bein a better man than this schoolyard bullshit ?It takes two to dance,but jesus whooter....we all have an opinion but for the love of pete...fuck me runnin.cant we just agree to disagree? What does this all come down to? Its all become tired.
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Y know...enough allready dude......just cause some body swims inta lake stupid ...dont make you a lifegaurd....cmon already.I mean asshattery is one thing but dont you hold yourself as bein a better man than this schoolyard bullshit ?It takes two to dance,but jesus whooter....we all have an opinion but for the love of pete...fuck me runnin.cant we just agree to disagree? What does this all come down to? Its all become tired.
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Y know...enough allready dude......just cause some body swims inta lake stupid ...dont make you a lifegaurd....cmon already.I mean asshattery is one thing but dont you hold yourself as bein a better man than this schoolyard bullshit ?It takes two to dance,but jesus whooter....we all have an opinion but for the love of pete...fuck me runnin.cant we just agree to disagree? What does this all come down to? Its all become tired.
Why the fuck are you quoting everything, douche?
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Why the fuck are you quoting everything, douche?
This one sentence, posted outside of the open free for all, would result in two rule violations.
2. Don't derail threads by changing the topic. Start a new topic. Derailing is considered to be failure to adhere to the parameters or topic set by the original poster in the original/first post (ex: posting about apples in an orange thread, posting in a plumbers thread when the original post specified plumbers only)
6. No attacking other posters with insults (this includes driving parents off). You can make your point with civility. Responding to an insult with an insult is not a justification.
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Why the fuck are you quoting everything, douche?
This one sentence, posted outside of the open free for all, would result in two rule violations.
2. Don't derail threads by changing the topic. Start a new topic. Derailing is considered to be failure to adhere to the parameters or topic set by the original poster in the original/first post (ex: posting about apples in an orange thread, posting in a plumbers thread when the original post specified plumbers only)
6. No attacking other posters with insults (this includes driving parents off). You can make your point with civility. Responding to an insult with an insult is not a justification.
OFFA is not under the dictatorships as open forum... there are no rules to protect anyone in this forum... OFFA stands for "Open Free For All" which means you can say what you want... You have to sign in to OFFA which protects this for open speach.. If you have a problem go cry to Admin.. :twofinger:
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OFFA is not under the dictatorships as open forum... there are no rules to protect anyone in this forum... OFFA stands for "Open Free For All" which means you can say what you want... You have to sign in to OFFA which protects this for open speach.. If you have a problem go cry to Admin.. :twofinger:
I know, right??
Who is this cunt guest, anyway?
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seamus wrote;
"fuck me runnin."
Not if you were standin' still,old man.
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Guest wrote;
Responding to an insult with an insult is not a justification.
I suggest you go back and read the "you're an idiot" thread!
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Why the fuck are you quoting everything, douche?
This one sentence, posted outside of the open free for all, would result in two rule violations.
2. Don't derail threads by changing the topic. Start a new topic. Derailing is considered to be failure to adhere to the parameters or topic set by the original poster in the original/first post (ex: posting about apples in an orange thread, posting in a plumbers thread when the original post specified plumbers only)
6. No attacking other posters with insults (this includes driving parents off). You can make your point with civility. Responding to an insult with an insult is not a justification.
OFFA is not under the dictatorships as open forum... there are no rules to protect anyone in this forum... OFFA stands for "Open Free For All" which means you can say what you want... You have to sign in to OFFA which protects this for open speach.. If you have a problem go cry to Admin.. :twofinger:
Thats Right........................... :beat: :beat: :rocker: :rocker:
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Guest wrote;
Responding to an insult with an insult is not a justification.
I suggest you go back and read the "you're an idiot" thread!
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im gonna yack.
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seamus wrote;
"fuck me runnin."
Not if you were standin' still,old man.
How about if your running in place, does that count. Like say on a treadmill, ooooohhhh try that old man. Or not. I bet you could not keep up. :seg2:
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In my humble opinion it seems as though things have gotten to light on the pro-program shill and harder on the people who are against it... I see where Fornits ask to help with operating costs... and I see where it is $70.00 over paid... Makes me think that Whooter is the one who is footing the bill and hence all the new rules... Just food for thought... If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... Just might be a duck !!!! [/color]
Whooter has not donated. Though it would probably be nice given how much he uses the forum. You really think Ginger and I would do that? Shit. Some people really are cynical but I understand where you're coming from. I can't reveal who has donated but I can tell you that policy decisions are not made on the basis of who donates what. The decision was simply made because things needed to change. I explained why back then.
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I wonder if maxine contributed any money. Mr. administrator seems to like to handle her with kid gloves.
Him (pretty sure) and no, he did not contribute either. All this speculation on who donated what is pretty irrelevant anyway. If I wanted to I could pay the Fornits bill myself but since we all share this site it only makes sense we all pay.
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In my humble opinion it seems as though things have gotten to light on the pro-program shill and harder on the people who are against it... I see where Fornits ask to help with operating costs... and I see where it is $70.00 over paid... Makes me think that Whooter is the one who is footing the bill and hence all the new rules... Just food for thought... If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... Just might be a duck !!!! [/color]
So back to the original post, Botched. How do the new rules favor pro-program people? I could they favor me? If I relied on posting under various aliases then how does this favor me?
The particular rule Whooter is referring to was designed to prevent what he's talking about. He's right about that. But he's wrong that it hinders him. He didn't rely on sockpuppetry, and he could still use proxies if he wanted to.
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If I could donate anonymously I would donate to the site.
There is no way to make an anonymous electronic payment. The main reason is that a system that supported such practices would become a money laundering haven. There is no such thing as anonymous when it comes to electronic transactions. Someone is accountable at every step of the process, in Paypal, and every other system.
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In my humble opinion it seems as though things have gotten to light on the pro-program shill and harder on the people who are against it... I see where Fornits ask to help with operating costs... and I see where it is $70.00 over paid... Makes me think that Whooter is the one who is footing the bill and hence all the new rules... Just food for thought... If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... Just might be a duck !!!! [/color]
Whooter has not donated. Though it would probably be nice given how much he uses the forum. You really think Ginger and I would do that? Shit. Some people really are cynical but I understand where you're coming from. I can't reveal who has donated but I can tell you that policy decisions are not made on the basis of who donates what. The decision was simply made because things needed to change. I explained why back then.
Some folks still seem to be in the dark as to the "why" of that decision, fwiw...
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I tried setting up an account using a proxy from South East Asia but the link redirects me to the paypal account to check my IP (location). It compares my IP with my home address and rejects the payment if they do not match. So it kept failing.
So tried to make a payment to one of my businesses by using a proxy from Vietnam and the proxy location they gave me was a city named “Hoi an” so I googled the city and found a hotel and address and used that as my residence and country of origin and their phone number of the hotel. I then used a bank of America virtual credit card and entered a fake name and sent myself $200.
I received my code #### in a day or two which indicated that my payment went through. So I think I found a way to send money through paypal and if they conduct an internal audit there will be no trace back to me with the exception of the identification code on the virtual credit card which only traces back to a local Walmart Store.
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Whooter is very well versed in fraud.
I tried setting up an account using a proxy from South East Asia but the link redirects me to the paypal account to check my IP (location). It compares my IP with my home address and rejects the payment if they do not match. So it kept failing.
So tried to make a payment to one of my businesses by using a proxy from Vietnam and the proxy location they gave me was a city named “Hoi an” so I googled the city and found a hotel and address and used that as my residence and country of origin and their phone number of the hotel. I then used a bank of America virtual credit card and entered a fake name and sent myself $200.
I received my code #### in a day or two which indicated that my payment went through. So I think I found a way to send money through paypal and if they conduct an internal audit there will be no trace back to me with the exception of the identification code on the virtual credit card which only traces back to a local Walmart Store.
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Found you. Whooters, we have to come up with a plan to make this place even more about us. I like your child molester strategy, but I think it needs a boost to really take over this place.
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Count me in, boys.
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In my humble opinion it seems as though things have gotten to light on the pro-program shill and harder on the people who are against it... I see where Fornits ask to help with operating costs... and I see where it is $70.00 over paid... Makes me think that Whooter is the one who is footing the bill and hence all the new rules... Just food for thought... If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... Just might be a duck !!!! [/color]
I agree with you!
I feel it is orchestrated by some twisted survivors...names I will not mention...but they have recently gotten all lovey dovey with some certain ex- executive staff members. look around ...keep your eyes open.
I got literally "group attacked on fb recently...b/c I publicly confronted aan ex executive staff member....I had to pull in str8 survivors to back me up...I mean veteran str8 survivors. These attacks were from all of the brainwashed lovey dovey khk survivors BTW.
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In my humble opinion it seems as though things have gotten to light on the pro-program shill and harder on the people who are against it... I see where Fornits ask to help with operating costs... and I see where it is $70.00 over paid... Makes me think that Whooter is the one who is footing the bill and hence all the new rules... Just food for thought... If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... Just might be a duck !!!! [/color]
I agree with you!
Here is my response. Read that and on:
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31282&start=30#p390510 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31282&start=30#p390510)
The purpose of moderation is not to take sides or to punish shills. The purpose is to organize discussion to make the forum easier to read and browse. The purpose is not to censor or delete. The purpose is to encourage fruitful discussion. Some may feel that Whooter is an unacceptable presence. That may be, but so long as he follows the rules, and he's very good at doing that, stretching enforcement to go after him would be taking sides. Taking sides is what can lead to the demise of forums. Just ask Struggling Teens. It used to have a forum. All somebody has to do is point out that the board is censored and it immediately damages the credibility of the forum and makes people think twice about taking anything that is said seriously.
There is also the fear of "group think". An environment with controlled communication rapidly becomes a sort of echo chamber. People naturally absorb the viewpoints of those around them, especially if everybody agrees on a truth. You see this all the time on certain political sites. Those with opposing viewpoints simply seeking to express themselves are labeled trolls and often banned. Either that or the comments are flagged hidden. I don't want that to happen here and drawing a solid line of "fairness" and not crossing it is a way to allow the forum some moderation without progressing into tyranny. The few new rules are very simple, objective, fair, and mostly about organization. If you have suggestions on improving the system, email me.
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In my humble opinion it seems as though things have gotten to light on the pro-program shill and harder on the people who are against it... I see where Fornits ask to help with operating costs... and I see where it is $70.00 over paid... Makes me think that Whooter is the one who is footing the bill and hence all the new rules... Just food for thought... If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... Just might be a duck !!!! [/color]
I agree with you!
Here is my response. Read that and on:
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31282&start=30#p390510 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31282&start=30#p390510)
The purpose of moderation is not to take sides or to punish shills. The purpose is to organize discussion to make the forum easier to read and browse. The purpose is not to censor or delete. The purpose is to encourage fruitful discussion. Some may feel that Whooter is an unacceptable presence. That may be, but so long as he follows the rules, and he's very good at doing that, stretching enforcement to go after him would be taking sides. Taking sides is what can lead to the demise of forums. Just ask Struggling Teens. It used to have a forum. All somebody has to do is point out that the board is censored and it immediately damages the credibility of the forum and makes people think twice about taking anything that is said seriously.
There is also the fear of "group think". An environment with controlled communication rapidly becomes a sort of echo chamber. People naturally absorb the viewpoints of those around them, especially if everybody agrees on a truth. You see this all the time on certain political sites. Those with opposing viewpoints simply seeking to express themselves are labeled trolls and often banned. Either that or the comments are flagged hidden. I don't want that to happen here and drawing a solid line of "fairness" and not crossing it is a way to allow the forum some moderation without progressing into tyranny. The few new rules are very simple, objective, fair, and mostly about organization. If you have suggestions on improving the system, email me.
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you know what, Psy....I am going to have to disagree with you here.
All of this diplomacy is leading NOWHERE.
I found it out once again the other day.
You cannot reason with these "programmies"...Sorry but I have wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much experience in trying to, and them either lying, or still so very brainwashed that they don't even hear the truth at all. then let's factor in...survivors getting all lovey dovey with executive staff which i have now seen, and No I am not referring to "oine of us" as in Rich Mullinax either... I am referring to executive staff that NEVER went tthrough the program...KNEW fully well that abuse was happening...licensed psychologists.....yet they let it go on anyway, and did not EVER report what they knew about the ABUSE to any authorities.
And BTW...the "group think" is already happening...on FB lead by one you should not trust if ye have in the past.
This "diplomacy" is BS...sorry but abusers need to be held accountable.
Like I said..not a fear of "group think" or group attack" it is in progress as we speak here, and has been going on for some time now.
I am sick and tired of it.
-Suzi
p.s. Dear l;ovey dovey motherfuckers......do you not realize that you are playing right into the "group dynamic"?..Wake the fuck up! You know who you are, and so do I! You WILL be exposed! You shall see!
p.p.s.- BTW...the executive staff in which I speak is ex executive khk staff...not whooter., and the people that group attacked me for publicly confronting them were false lovey dovey (in bed with exec. staff) khk'ers! you know one of them , psy, and if ye think about it long and hard, you will know exactly who I speak of.
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Psy, Whooter is not seeking diplomacy nor is he truly seeking to enlighten the masses, to a different point of view. Just read his posts for content, they lack experience, study and education. Which explains why everyone here has such a problem with him. On top of what I have already said he has been shown to be a bald face liar.
I think we need to examine what exactly we want to be here and how we can protect the survivors and the their testimonies. I don't believe we can have two opposing opinions on such personal experiences. These are real issues survivors either have dealt with or are continuing to deal with. Psy, you as much as anyone else knows what it feels like to be subjected to ridicule and the unwarranted scrutiny by someone with no real knowledge of what you went through at Benchmark.
Most of fornits is not a political debate atmosphere on issues, from what I have read and assume to understand Fornits is a information outlet to survivors, parents and others struggling or gathering information. We have the bonus of being able to share our experience and read others.
(IMO) Most of fornits should be shut off to people such as Whooter, not as a punishment but as a necessity to maintain the purpose of Fornits. Give him and folks as himself a forum of their own and have the rest for survivors only. I understand this poses even more problems initially but if we begin to think about this change, the answer may come.
Sorry I did not email you but my thoughts were so broad that I wanted to put it out here first, see if there is any responses and go from there.
I have collected much more thoughts on this particular issue which I can share if it allows for it.
I am not attacking Whooter, let me make myself clear on that. I am just holding him accountable for his behavior on this site and trying to find a solution for minimizing anymore of this foolishness. If there was any merit (not intellect) in what he was sharing, we/I would not be here having this conversation. His motivations are clear to everyone.
Thanks
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Thank you, Heretik. My thoughts exactly.
The problem for me is not that Whooter is pro-program. My problem is that he has systematically changed the tenor and the spirit of this site. It is one thing to argue with a programmie; it's another thing when one sets up camp her and creates a 24/7 wall of obfuscation and derision to the extent that it governs the forum. No one can compete with someone willing to reside in his tactics, days, nights, weeks, months, years. You can't ignore a monolith.
Fornits is already compromised. I don't care if its a bit of a Wild West with guns drawn and arrows slung, but Whooter isn't a gunslinger. He's a demolition expert.
As Heretik says: Most of fornits should be shut off to people such as Whooter, not as a punishment but as a necessity to maintain the purpose of Fornits..
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Thank you, Heretik. My thoughts exactly.
The problem for me is not that Whooter is pro-program. My problem is that he has systematically changed the tenor and the spirit of this site. It is one thing to argue with a programmie; it's another thing when one sets up camp her and creates a 24/7 wall of obfuscation and derision to the extent that it governs the forum. No one can compete with someone willing to reside in his tactics, days, nights, weeks, months, years. You can't ignore a monolith.
Fornits is already compromised. I don't care if its a bit of a Wild West with guns drawn and arrows slung, but Whooter isn't a gunslinger. He's a demolition expert.
As Heretik says: Most of fornits should be shut off to people such as Whooter, not as a punishment but as a necessity to maintain the purpose of Fornits..
Amen. :peace: :peace: The truth is above Whooter. :beat: :beat:
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Whooter is a liar. We all know that. But exposing his lies leads to fruitful discussion, so long as he doesn't go off-topic or destroy the thread, which is the purpose of that rule. The problem is he's very slick and very good at angering others, which means people get emotional and violate the rules for him. I see all of this. The problem is that while he sticks to the letter of the law there is nothing I can do in a moderation role. I don't have the "evidence" to prosecute him.
I see what you are saying about all this and I appreciate your sentiments but can't you just keep sensitive topics where you don't want Whooter to the CAN forum which already exists? If he violates enough rules he will be banned.
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psy wrote;
"Whooter is a liar."
If people would quit engaging him , he would have nothing to lie about.