Art Barker and those others - what fucking cruel people. I hope his life, and all the lives of all others who supported that place, are very painful lives - very long and very, very painful lives.
On 2004-12-09 21:20:00, Robin Martin wrote
If you look at it another way, you are still letting your past experiences control you and you've fought that war far too long.
Anon, get help - find peace. "
On 2004-12-10 06:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-12-09 21:20:00, Robin Martin wrote
If you look at it another way, you are still letting your past experiences control you and you've fought that war far too long.
Anon, get help - find peace. "
And if you look at it in yet another way, this shit is STILL going on and we're trying to prevent it from happening to anyone else.
http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/curre ... ature.html (http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/current/news/feature.html)
I'm not the anon you were speaking to but sorry, I can't 'find peace' knowing that kids are still being, ahem...."treated" this way."
On 2004-12-10 07:51:00, GregFL wrote:
This begs the question, who did Art Plagarize it from originally? I have a very hard time believing he started out in a house where people came and went freely, kind of hippy lovey dovey rehab, and rapidly within two years resulted in the facist program with strict and very effective mind control techniques that I was in in 1973 St Pete.
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On 2004-12-10 07:45:00, GregFL wrote:
"On the other side, Stripe, I don't wish Art or any of them anything but the same peace I seek myself. In fact I would love to talk to any of them
Now that wasn't always true. I think once upon a time I would have danced on Art's grave. Not now, I don't begrudge anyone anything anymore.
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On 2004-12-10 08:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"OK, no official connection but that's when these "theraputic communities" started popping up. It was also at the beginning of Nixon's War on Drugs. This created an atmosphere of fear and contempt and bore the idea of getting tough on druggies. It seems to me a fairly natural evolution of someone with that mindset. Sick and twisted, but natural for them."
On 2004-12-10 08:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I really don't understand what is so confusing here. He saw the others that you mentioned and created his own version. Are you looking for some sort of smoking gun?? Does it have to be LINEARLY connected in order for him to have taken what he saw or read about and make it his own?"
On 2004-12-10 06:19:00, GregFL wrote:
"Robin, if you knew more about who you were talking to, you wouldn't say that. Instead, you would find she is just now confronting what happened to her and working thru it. She is seeking help and peace...from within herself.
Your post was a little condensending I think.
The religion of one age is the literary entertainment of the next.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, poet, philosopher
On 2004-12-09 07:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
Truth is folks, there's nothing really wrong with any of us. These are learned patterns that were imposed from the outside in - completely external.
All contemporary religions and churches, all and every kind of religious organization, Marxism has always viewed as organs of bourgeois reaction, serving as a defense of exploitation and the doping of the working-classes.
--Nikolai Lenin, Russian revolutionary
On 2004-12-14 04:33:00, Ft. Lauderdale wrote:
Possibly its me, but I have a hard time following you.
You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war.
--Albert Einstein
On 2004-12-14 07:28:00, cleveland wrote:
Most of the hard core drug/alcohol users I've known are obsessive types - they go from being devils to angels with the same verve. So Art Barker, down and out alcoholic, becomes Art Barker, savior of america's youth. Do you follow?
If triangles had a God, He'd have three sides.
--Old Yiddish proverb
On 2004-12-14 19:29:00, GregFL wrote:
"Talk to ginger about how long her family was "involved" because I really don't have the anser and shouldn't speak for her."
Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.
Thomas Jefferson, 1787
On 2005-02-12 11:06:00, Antigen wrote:
I'm still grateful to good old Don Taws. What a sweet old man he was. When Mom sent me into his office to get chastised for not formally joining the church, he told me it was alright; that he would never want anybody to swear an oath that they didn't believe and that he'd always be there if I wanted to talk. And I found out later that he'd been trying to explain to Mom for awhile that maybe it wasn't such a good idea to force me to attend services and open meetings if I didn't want to.Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.
Thomas Jefferson, 1787
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Shannon and I went to see Don (Pastor/Bible Teacher in High School) about 5 years ago. He lives a bit south of Asheville, NC. I tracked him down because I wanted to tell him I was grateful for the fine example of Godly living he modeled when he was my teacher. I wanted him to know that his energy spent trying to get through to me when I was in school was not wasted, and that the 'seeds' he had planted had at last sprouted. He and his wife had just returned from the funeral of their Daughter, Kiki. (bee sting), he had a cast on his broken ankle, and he was battling cancer. He said 'God is good' a few times that weekend, and meant it. He jumped up Sunday morning and taught his regular Sunday School class. I needed to see what a genuine Christian looks like after a long term journey, and with trials. His enthusiasm for The Lord was even stronger than it had been 25 years earlier! I am glad Shannon went with me to meet them as well. I strongly disagree, however, with T. Jefferson. I believe a newspaper needs an editor, proof readers and other such government in order to stay on task. ::cheers:: to remove our conscious contact with God. I plead lysdexia! [ This Message was edited by: Thom on 2005-02-12 14:49 ]
I think I know where I got off track! I thought the 11th step said 'Sought through beer and medication to remove our conscious contact w/ God...I plead lysdexia![ This Message was edited by: Thom on 2005-02-12 16:26 ]
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
--Plato
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