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Aspen Education Group / TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« on: November 17, 2007, 07:22:02 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Like myself, Emilie’s parents are parenting their children and trying to make the best decision for each child.  They seem to be engaged and actively involved.  All my children are doing well, thank you Deb.


Didn't ask how they were, I asked what they're doing and who was caring for them while you sit on Fornits day in and day out. I didn't really expect an answer thought, rhetorical.  

Quote from: "TheWho"
I think the question, in my mind, is  â€œWhy does someone who lost their right to parent their own children obsess with criticizing, judging or questioning what other parents are doing to help their children?â€

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Delray Beach: Epicenter of Recovery Community
« on: November 17, 2007, 06:53:41 PM »
In Florida, Addicts Find an Oasis of Sobriety
James Estrin/The New York Times
Richard Joslin, left, and John Suto are recovering substance abusers who both own several halfway houses. Mr. Joslin is the owner of Lighthouse Cottages, pictured.
 
By JANE GROSS
Published: November 16, 2007
DELRAY BEACH, Fla. — Whitney Tower, 56, a scion of the Whitney, Vanderbilt and Drexel fortunes, squandered his trust fund and sold family treasures to support a $1,000-a-day heroin habit before landing in a tough-love facility near here seven years ago and never leaving. “If I went back to New York I’d be dead in two weeks,â€

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Aspen Education Group / TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« on: November 17, 2007, 06:25:08 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
BTW, Who, speaking of lack of parenting skills... who cares for your adopted third-world kids while you sit on Fornits 24/7? Is that the nanny's job, or are they already enrolled in one of Aspen's warehouses?

Oh, my,my....Me thinks someone is pissed..... truth hurt?

You should really try to be nicer to people...


Just wondering where your adopted kids are and what they're doing while you sit on Fornits all day, everyday, supporting Aspen.
Are you paying someone else to raise them?
Unlike with your daughter, will you try family therapy before you farm them out to Aspen?
How many adopted kids are in Aspen programs? I know there were many at HLA.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / drug addicts don't want to get clean
« on: November 17, 2007, 05:56:20 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Yes, I did, and other people as well... if they did not I will remind them.  I warned you privately to stop altering my posts (on HLA and TTI) and you didnt take to my warning and were caught "red handed" the last time you did it... and it stopped there (hopefully for good)......

 ::roflmao::  Post the PM Who.

Quote from: ""TheWho""
All I am saying, Deborah, is be honest with people... if you intend to alter posts or delete them for what ever reason (hate, indifference, immaturity, disagreement) you should warn all the posters (not just me).


Like this- our ONE and only private communication:

From: Deborah
To: TheWho
Posted: 30 Apr 2007 04:05
Subject: HLA Forum
Who,
You want to dick around in the HLA forum. Fine. But do so under your username, or your post will be deleted.
Your choice.

From: TheWho
To: Deborah
Posted: 30 Apr 2007 04:07
Subject: Re: HLA Forum
Okay, But it should apply to everyone. Fair enough?

From: Deborah
To: TheWho
Posted: 30 Apr 2007 04:15
Subject: Re: HLA Forum
Fuck you.

From: TheWho
To: Deborah
Posted: 30 Apr 2007 13:49
Subject: Re: HLA Forum
Deborah wrote:
Fuck you.

I guess I will take that as you will continue with two sets of rules. One for yourself and one for others. I knew the answer just wanted to hear it from you.
~~

After contemplating, I decided just to tag them, but had I decided to delete them, you were given ample warning.

Now, post the PM in which you "warned" me to stop deleting your posts. And any evidence that I was "caught red-handed".
Don't try any funny stuff either. When you post the alleged PM, you also need to give Ginger permission to confirm it exists. I've already given mine.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / drug addicts don't want to get clean
« on: November 17, 2007, 05:13:20 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
I believe you should be straight forward with the people who will be posting in HLA.. if you intend to out my guest posts I think others should be aware that they may be outed also if they step out of line and disagree with you or piss you off.  Just be honest with everyone so they know what to expect.

I see that you're going to continue to imply that you weren't warned. Visit Gook or Greg's forum and pull you juvenile antics. See how long your posts stay up. They full out censor their forums.

Quote from: ""TheWho""
Here I changed your shingle on the door and made your name bigger  (more impressive I think)


I see you got the point.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / drug addicts don't want to get clean
« on: November 17, 2007, 04:47:30 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Why would THE WHO's ANONYMOUS postings, or any other ANONYMOUS postings by a poster on Fornits, be identified by the moderator and tagged by an emotioncon?

Didn't THE WHO have the right to post anonymously, without being identified by the moderator?

The moderators of different forums have been allowed to set their own policy, to a degree. Provided it doesn't violate the overall policy of "no censorship".
Witness Gook's forum and Greg's. Don't know what other do.

His posts weren't deleted or altered, simply tagged after he was warned. He chose that. He has no interest in HLA except to divert and create chaos anonymously.

No the wording was altered and posts deleted.. many people saw it happen, that is why there was a policy change.


 ::roflmao::

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Peninsula Village
« on: November 17, 2007, 04:26:21 PM »
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Some of my patients are referred to me with a history of having been in a therapeutic boarding school. Once they have come to trust me they will share with me the kind of tales we find on this web site; horrific details of abusive and grossly inappropriate treatment. I have heard these stories too many times. The stories vary however. Occasionally I have heard some positive stories where a youth has been treated with respect and caring in an appropriately run facility, but even then it is against their will. I see very little evidence that even these kids have been helped. The bad stories prevail. I care deeply for youth I work with. I have a strong bias of positive regard for all youth I meet because I genuinely like adolescents. When I hear of mistreatment in facilities that are supposed to care for youth I feel the betrayal and see the harm it has done to my patient. My reaction has been one of extreme anger. This has mobilized me to be an activist in trying to address the system failings that allow these travesties to continue. How could any adult do differently if they are a decent human being and have normal instincts of care and concern for kids? It horrifies me that in our society we can enter into a mass denial that lets these facilities exist....

Involuntary residential care outside of such a legal process cannot be therapeutic, no mater how humane and well intended the staff, as it undercuts and essential aspect of adolescent development, the achievement of autonomy. It is NOT therapeutic because the loss of rights does damage to a sense of self. It undercuts the formation of a personal identity. As with restraint and seclusion, it may be necessary to save a life, but it has a very large cost. It represents a failure, or an absence, of community-based treatment. In such circumstances, such active coercion needs to be ended in the shortest possible time, preferably only a few days. Individuals detained, even in a state of psychotic thinking, should be offered trauma support and counseling, similar to what is commonly recommended after an episode of restraint, to undo the damage caused by such coercion.

http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... &Itemid=35

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The Troubled Teen Industry / drug addicts don't want to get clean
« on: November 17, 2007, 04:08:55 PM »
Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: ""Guest""
Why would THE WHO's ANONYMOUS postings, or any other ANONYMOUS postings by a poster on Fornits, be identified by the moderator and tagged by an emotioncon?

Didn't THE WHO have the right to post anonymously, without being identified by the moderator?

Quote from: ""TheWho""
One would think we would have the right to post anonymously... but it was up to the discretion of the admins.  I caught Deb, red handed twice.. even the readers noticed my posts being altered the second time...

What a crock. You revel in this venue don't you. Where you can say anything without having to prove it, and other's can't disprove it because it's non-exsistant. Coward.

Quote from: ""TheWho""
as a corrective action they have changed the database and assignment of the admins (as I have heard).

 ::roflmao::
Yeh, some kind of secure. Gook claimed to be a Mod yesterday. Know what that means?

Quote from: ""TheWho""
The truth hurts, thats why she is so pissed I guess......  I believe everyone is safe now with the new system (upgrades) in place..... it is in the past as far as I am concerned.


 ::roflmao:: Pissed? The truth? You see this:

Hidden Lake Academy
Join the discussion of HLA and Ridge Creek Wilderness in Dahlonega, Ga. The moderator of this forum accepts no responsiblity for content. This is a first amendment based open discussion. By posting or reading, you agree to these terms. ISAC report Lawsuit
Moderator Deborah

Post in HLA anonymously and your posts will continue to be tagged.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / drug addicts don't want to get clean
« on: November 17, 2007, 03:54:08 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Why would THE WHO's ANONYMOUS postings, or any other ANONYMOUS postings by a poster on Fornits, be identified by the moderator and tagged by an emotioncon?

Didn't THE WHO have the right to post anonymously, without being identified by the moderator?


The moderators of different forums have been allowed to set their own policy, to a degree. Provided it doesn't violate the overall policy of "no censorship".
Witness Gook's forum and Greg's. Don't know what other do.

His posts weren't deleted or altered, simply tagged after he was warned. He chose that. He has no interest in HLA except to divert and create chaos anonymously.

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Aspen Education Group / TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« on: November 17, 2007, 03:41:20 PM »
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Does anyone know if she was taken back home against her will, ala escort company?


A matter of semantic.
Craig Akers stated in the 15 minute video interview that they had police back up in the event that their efforts failed and she attempted to run.
They claim she returned willing based on her grandmother's failing health and her family's promise that she wouldn't have to return to Island View.
Hope that will be the case, or that they don't have another program lined up. They wouldn't technically be breaking a promise if they sent her elsewhere.

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Aspen Education Group / TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« on: November 17, 2007, 02:33:35 PM »
BTW, Who, speaking of lack of parenting skills... who cares for your adopted third-world kids while you sit on Fornits 24/7? Is that the nanny's job, or are they already enrolled in one of Aspen's warehouses?

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Aspen Education Group / TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« on: November 17, 2007, 02:27:09 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Sorry Emily, but I feel I have to out you in order to keep you from being sent away.

Emily Graeber was adopted and welcomed into the heart and home of a couple who believed they could not have a biological child of there own. Wonderful, until Emily's sister came along.
 This young women needs her community to come forward, love her, support her and help her grow into the amazing person she is destined to be. Rabbi Talve, you can expidite this process. Island View is not her community.
 People like Alan Newman see $$$. How dare you put a price on the emotional growth and wellbeing of a child. If her parents are not up for this difficult task then they should reach out to their family, friends and professionals around them. We are here. We are willing. Please do not send Emily away again.

I went thru the entire web site and I didnt see any evidence that this guy has a connection to the Teen help  industry...... also you should not post such personal information about people (Emily)on here with out their permission.


You mean like your poor attempt to slander me:

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=295925#295925
TheWho wrote:
You had a child, which you lost control of, sent away to a program… is it fair for us to say you sat around and did nothing while your kid was sent away? Should we judge your actions and speculate on the lack of parenting skills that led you (the mother) to lose custody of her own children? Courts typically don’t take kids away from their mother very easily… should we all say we cant relate and your lack of parenting is “Mind blowingâ€

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Aspen Education Group / TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« on: November 17, 2007, 02:17:10 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Parents dont need to forgive their children for what they do.. seeing them healthy and happy and on the right path is all the forgiveness they need.


Woops another Who Freudian slip.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / drug addicts don't want to get clean
« on: November 17, 2007, 02:05:31 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Oh, so you wait several months until you speak up and ask for me to show where the holes are in the conversation…. They would be difficult to find now, wouldn’t they… nothing to search for because they are deleted.

Nah, if it happened, you'd know right where they were. I asked for proof when you made the allegations. You provided none.

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The truth is, you're pissed because you didn't get to play games anonymously in the HLA forum. You don't like what I post about the industry, particularly Aspen. You can't present legitimate arguments, and certainly don't support "free speech" for anyone but yourself, so you resort to slander.

Quote from: ""TheWho""
So you deleted my threads because you thought I was playing games… at least you stepped up and gave me a reason… so that explains the anon threads but not the others but I am sure it was for the same reason… and it really doesn’t matter to me now.

You're running off the rails again. Claiming I said something I didn't.
As you know, your posts weren't deleted or altered. Your anon posts were tagged with the Cat In The Hat emoticon, which I warned you in advance would happened if you chose to post anon in HLA.

Quote from: ""TheWho""
I have no problem with most of what you write but you seem to have a problem with what I write or my conversations and posts would not have gone missing, would they?  
I don’t see where I stated I was against free speech, you seem to be projecting here…your actions speak for themselves.

 ::roflmao:: Any level of rational discourse is impossible with you. You're like the philandering husband who accuses his wife of cheating.

Quote
I didn’t resort to slander, you said so yourself…… If this was me complaining you would be asking me why I am playing the victim.


Semantics. You certainly attempted, but botched it up.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / TX: WOODSIDE TRAILS UPDATE!!
« on: November 17, 2007, 01:41:50 PM »
Jack,
Was the title you chose for this thread accurate? It's an update on YOUR case, not Woodside Trails. Woodside Trails is long gone, and rightfully so. No kid should have had to live in the squalid conditions of WT.
If you're innocent I hope that your name is cleared. Doesn't negate the fact that you functioned as an unlicensed "counselor" at WT and had an unhealthy relationship with one of the residents.

Woodside Trails- proud member of NATSAP (owner served on the board), shutdown by the state, changed the name to Eagle Pines Academy (private boarding school, exempt from licensure) and continued business as usual with the state's knowledge. It appears that they didn't survive financially. Can you confirm that Jack?

Some history
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=120646#120646
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=65300#65300
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=66294#66294
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=127545#127545
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=239209#239209
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 565#127565

You can find Jack's posts here
http://fornits.com/wwf/profile.php?mode ... ile&u=2853
And Anthony's- another ex Woodside staff- here
http://fornits.com/wwf/profile.php?mode ... ile&u=1688

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