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I'm beginning to tie this youth and adult residential treatment program economy into the Rockefeller's Aspen Institute's "Workforce Strategies Initiative".  You see, they are currently changing America's economy from production to services -- tourist, health, accounting, computer:

"Industry-specific workforce development programs target a particular industry ? and a set of occupations within it ? in order to place disadvantaged people in high quality jobs. These programs become knowledgeable participants in the targeted industry in which they work. They strive to influence industry practice on behalf of low-skilled or otherwise disadvantaged workers by pioneering labor-based innovations that benefit industry and workers. Industry-specific employment projects utilize a range of strategies to achieve these ends, including: operating education and training programs; running for-profit businesses; forging institutional links with educational institutions, employers, unions and industry associations; advocating for policy changes; and providing consulting or other services to firms within the industry."
http://www.aspenwsi.org/index-aboutus.asp

Here's Rockefeller/Aspen's guidebook for candidates and journalists on how to talk to Americans about globalism:

"Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Aspen Institute Release 'U.S. In the World: Talking Global Issues with Americans - A Practical Guide' "
http://www.aspeninstitute.org/index.asp?bid=15450&i=87


Then we have Aspen Education Group that is buying up all of the facilities around the nation, donating to a non-profit for educational consulting training.  Do you think those consultants might have a tendency to send kids to Aspen's programs that help fund their educations?

Aspen Education Group pledges $100,000 to IECA Foundation

"The IECA Foundation is pleased to announce that Aspen Education Group has pledged to contribute $100,000 over the next four years. The contribution has been earmarked specifically for consultant and counselor training as they work with youth in the midst of making educational decisions. The formal announcement was made to the IECA membership and school, college, and program representatives at a luncheon held during IECA's Fall Conference in Scottsdale, Arizona on November 7."
http://www.iecafoundation.org/news/news.htm

I brought this thread back from the grave, because I'm new to Utah and living amongst the Mormons.  I love the Mormon people here in the outback, but what I can't stand about them is their ability to coverup for each other.  I've seen this over and over.  

DIRTY SECRETS AND BUSINESS TIES . . . MY NEW SLOGAN TO THE MORMONS HERE WHO WANT TO KEEP QUIET ABOUT SEXUAL ABUSE.  YES, I AM SCREAMING!

When I first moved into the state, Mormon women told me that if you're a Mormon church-going man, and you get caught beating your wife, raping or sexually abusing, the elders will take you to a motel room, have a talk with you and release you back to your victims the next day.  No charges filed.

If you're not a church-going Mormon man, get ready to be fed to the wolves at their sheriff's office, county attorney, child protective services, etc. where surely the victim will have blood relatives (lots of inbreeding has also occurred in some areas that have been relatively shut off from the rest of the world, and still are somewhat).  They will throw the book at you.

In many instances, they don't show much love or compassion as you would imagine (but I see this in all of the religions . . . I am not religious, merely spiritual).  

For instance, it is common practice for the eldest child to inherit all of the wealth of the parents.  The remaining 8-9 kids are without.  So, 1 in 10 gets wealthy, and 9 go away with nothing from mom and dad.  I've seen this create mucho resentment amongst families.

They seem to help themselves to things that you own that they might need.  This is called stealing, and you have to catch them in the act.  Others might know they are doing it and they might be a good friend of yours, but if they're related or a church-going Mormon (vs. "Jack Mormon", non-church-going, there's a difference), they won't tell you.  They'd say, "Why, he would never do that!"

So, to me, the little peon Mormons that I live amongst (vs. the hierarchy of the Church) are pretty good people, living by better moral standards than the rest of our nation.  Where they are really wrong, and gradually changing, is from a free and rampant sexual society ruled by the men, patriarchs who built their dominance and sexual weirdness and ludeness into their religion, as a God-given right.  Pretty hypocritical and totally impossible if you really know God who is not gender driven with His love or compassion.

They lack backbone, and don't like confrontations even if something is drastically wrong.  They like closed doors and secrets.  They don't walk their talk.  

Like you say, it's up to them to clean up their own house, and I certainly have a right to post about my experiences here.

Toni

Maybe they're getting more respect in the cities, but not so in the country.  The man is in charge, the woman is his helper.  Yes, she may have 5 jobs, but she still cooks when she gets home, even though the rest of the family might have been waiting for hours and could have easily done it for her.

I had a Mormon wife recently ask me about their income tax refund.  Both she and the husband work, both make very good wages, both paid income taxes and filed a joint return together.  He was keeping all of the money for himself, but she had an inkling that part of that money was hers.  This was after years and years of marriage and multiple kids later, but she was just now getting up the nerve to ask.

Toni

Yes, Utah is not looking too good lately, and I believe it's an industry they'd really like to develop more here.  In southern Utah, most other industries have been shut down, so this makes some jobs (even though it pays very poorly and requires a work week of 50-60 hours just to make it).

I have a friend in the Zion Park area near Litchfield's facility and she told me several months ago that something bad was going on there.

The Mormon inter-connectedness is difficult to get around too -- they're all related.

I've thought about sending my complaints to Attorney General Shurtleff who sometimes does some very good things and to Gov Olene Walker (Utah's first female).

I'm asking all Mormons if they or their church condones abuse of minors 'cause they all just don't want to talk or hear about it (keep those dirty little secrets to yourself, would ya).

It's time to bring this out of the closet.

Toni

Teeeheheheee . . . and it's really great when you reveal them to us!

It's no wonder none of the programs have any formal complaints or tarnishes on their records.  As a former staff who filed sexual and harassment abuse complaints with all agencies, I can safely say I know why the facilities have blemish-free records.

You only have to lift up the carpet and look under there.  That's where they swept 'em away, out of sight, out of mind.  Nope, nothing wrong here!

Toni

Living in Utah, I know the Salt Lake Tribune isn't working on our side (and, no, I'm not Mormon).  I would guess this article was written to hurt the competitors.

I'm looking into Aspen Education Group that is buying up programs around the nation.  I'm not sure yet, but Aspen has a lady named Robin Stephens and Utah Speaker of the House of Reps is Marty Stephens, named in this article.  

In case you don't know about Utah, most Mormons are related in some way or another 'cause they kept outsiders from here for so long.  Aspen has some heavy political ties, including former Gov Mike Leavitt (now head of the EPA).  Aspen plays down and dirty, and this article against their competitors makes total sense to me.

Toni

PS  I'm also a former staff of Aspen and know them from the inside -- they lie a lot.

Five months without yet seeing your child?  And, you allow this?  Even prisons allow visitors.