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General Interest => Tacitus' Realm => Topic started by: Oscar on February 24, 2009, 04:27:59 PM
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Due to the on-going civil war in Denmark we have decided to suspend further meetings. The safety of our members has to come first.
What it means is that we will continue maintenance of the wiki and stop vandalism, but our posters on various message boards will concentrate on addressing our own politicians so we can save our nation.
The background on the third gang war is:
Back in the 1980's Hell Angels entered Denmark and started a war with an all Danish biker club called Bullshit. After introducing machineguns they wiped out Bullshit and took over the drug market which until 2003 was concentrated in a part of Copenhagen which proclaimed their independence of the Danish laws in 1971 (Christiania (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania)).
In 1994 the second gang war started. This was called the Great Nordic Biker War (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Nordic_Biker_War). This time they used weapons left behind by the Red army. We were talking anti-tank rockets and of course machine guns. Our army was tied up in Bosnia and the biker gangs outgunned the police forces 10 times. The Danish police did however increase their firepower and political pressure and threats of recalling our army meant that the Tinndahn-Nielsen peace agreement was made in 1997. This agreement divided the drug market in Denmark between the two groups.
Some years ago our present government invaded Christiania and closed Pusher Street. A huge percentage of our police force is now tied as an occupying force limiting their capacity in relationship with other police business. The same year the age limit for alcohol purchase limit was raised from 15 to 16. As result of the invasion the drug market were spread out all over our country. Where the police in the old days stood at the border and fined people for drug use, drugs are now sold in every school all over our country.
But not only is the closure of Pusher Street to blame. Danes are introduced to alcohol by their parents aged 14 or 15 when they are confirmed (http://http://www.geocities.com/alcohol_in_denmark/index.htm). With the old age limit they could purchase alcohol in the shops without disturbing their parents. Personally I have no problems with a teen aged 14 drinking alcohol, but here kids are generally polite and leave us alone instead of asking for the same thing all day. Unfortunately the difficult access to alcohol means that they turn to drugs instead. We are now talking of 2 drugs users in every class-room when they are leaving middle school. We have a European statistic here (http://http://www.espad.org/denmark).
After the second gang war the biker clubs became lazy. New groups of second generation youth coming from the Middle East entered the market. They are youth who celebrate 9/11 as a victory. The official Denmark asked the media to start the Cartoon war (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_war). The cartoons were based on Herge's (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herge) masterpiece from 1930 of a journalist from Belgium visiting the Central Republic of Congo. Our victory was huge, but it didn't scare the youth gangs away. Last year the third gang war started and now people in certain parts of Copenhagen are strip-search both by the police and the youth gangs when they enter parts of Denmark no longer under control by the central government in Copenhagen. As ordinary and peaceful citizens we are placed in a loose-loose situation.
1) The police have given extra powers to strip-search people without reason. They can detain people for 6 hours as preventive detention (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preventive_detention#Denmark). They don't have to bring charges forward and don't need to involve the court-system. The damage for ordinary citizens are huge if they are recognized by family, colleagues or business partners because it means guilt in the eyes of the public if a person has business with the police without protesting loudly (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resisting_arrest). If we choose to leave our house our reputation and career could be damaged beyond repair.
2) If the youth gangs find tattoos or people are unshaved looking like a member of a biker gang undercover they are attacked with knife or guns.
3) In towns outside Copenhagen locals attack strangers. Several yokels attacked a college with foreigners because they had been insulted by people from Iceland. Unfortunately they started to shoot at people from Poland. In Denmark a person is regarded as a stranger if this person chooses to move more than 50 kilometers from his or her hometown.
Right now we are prisoners in our own home. We are waiting whether our government decides to pull our forces from the 11'th Christian crusade (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_against_terrorism) in Afghanistan. The gang war is now a full scale civil war. Just yesterday the police created a strip-search zone in Esbjerg in Jutland.
We will return when the two fractions have made a peace agreement.
Best wishes in the battle against the behavior modification business.
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On behalf of Secret Prisons for Teens.
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Big surprise.... you're totally insane.
Why is it all the "internet fighters" taking on the troubled teen industry are batshit crazy?
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*scractches head*...
I'm sorry... it's all chinese to me. Denmark sure is a strange place!
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Well as much as some of the terms sound foreign the concept resonates with the crisis here in america. Only this civil unrest stems from lack of money, jobs, resources and ability to obtain credit or loans. The saying goes, "desperate times call for desperate measures" and that has become a reality all over the world. Its obviously manifests itself differently in different parts of the world, as not too many of us can admit anything close to a biker war has kept us prisoners in our own homes, but it is obvious that our society's decline has taken a toll on all of us.
I wish you all well and hope that your government is able to create a solution in order to protect its citizens.
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as not too many of us can admit anything close to a biker war has kept us prisoners in our own homes,
Unless you live in the projects. The folks in Visitation Valley rarely leave their public-funded hovels after sunset.
At least the gangbangers in my hood have the decency to only kill each other.
Norteño pride, mang.
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Update:
During the last 48 hours one man has been killed and another is in intensive care after being shot several times in his back.
One of the victims are members of a gang according to sources by our secret police. They were both victims of mistaken identity.
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Im sorry to hear that, my sympathies to that man's family. and I hope the injured man recovers successfully.
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Update:
During the last 48 hours one man has been killed and another is in intensive care after being shot several times in his back.
One of the victims are members of a gang according to sources by our secret police. They were both victims of mistaken identity.
A biker civil war? Oscar.....are you insane? Answer honestly.
Is this just hilarious Dutch humor going over my head?
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Update:
During the last 48 hours one man has been killed and another is in intensive care after being shot several times in his back.
One of the victims are members of a gang according to sources by our secret police. They were both victims of mistaken identity.
A biker civil war? Oscar.....are you insane? Answer honestly.
Is this just hilarious Dutch humor going over my head?
I personally believe him. I've been living in hoods with a strong gang presence ever since I moved to san francisco (15 years ago) and even though the activity where I'm at is not even remotely close to what oscar is describing, I can totally see it getting to that point with any kind of gangbanging. Two big latino gangs out here, the nortenos (north) and surenos (south) both have ties to crime syndicates in both the us and south america; they're not just some small group of punks. I'm currently on north (red) turf. My friend just moved to the canal district in marin, which is big time south (blue) turf. I almost got killed when I first moved here because I was wearing a blue bandana on my head in Norteno territory. The guy schooled me and gave me a warning, thank god.
I'm also not sure how much you've heard about biker gangs like the hells angels, but those guys *do not* fuck around. Hollywood has painted a glamorous image for them, but they are seriously hard-motherfuckin-core.
I can see how in Oscar's neck of the woods, it could a shitload worse, especially if any of those gangs have ties to the Russian mob, who are the craziest, scariest bunch of motherfuckers on this planet... period.
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Update:
During the last 48 hours one man has been killed and another is in intensive care after being shot several times in his back.
One of the victims are members of a gang according to sources by our secret police. They were both victims of mistaken identity.
A biker civil war? Oscar.....are you insane? Answer honestly.
Is this just hilarious Dutch humor going over my head?
Where does ordinary crime stop and a civil war start?
Our police was in the area massive with about 50 cops. There was at the scene within minutes and arrested three others who were wearing body armor, but the sale has been 50-dobled since the war started, so they were all released this morning as they had no connection to the latest shooting. The price is only half of when the war started (http://http://www.vagtshop.dk/product.asp?product=503). Everybody buys them. Even the police because the government issued are of poor quality. One of my friends is a cop and when he purchased one, he met some of his normal "clients". They had a chat and he learned that they are also worried. There has even been parents who want to buy some for their children who goes to school in that area and because we have no curfew laws also are out in the street once they are 12 to about 22-23. It is soon like England where stab-proof school uniforms are being sold (http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-475244/Stab-proof-school-uniforms-sale-protect-pupils-knife-attacks.html).
During the Great Nordic Biker war (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Nordic_Biker_War) a lot of rocket weapon were stolen from the Swedish army (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustav_recoilless_rifle). Because our nation is small, the police knew in advance that one of the gangs had them. They even had an informant who told where to find them, but the police was told to back off, because the politicians wanted to use the war to make tougher laws. A direct result we have a law where a group which are targeted by another group can not own property in populated areas because an attack using rocket could kill the neighbors.
We are several who believes that present war is provoked by our goverment because they want to increase the period where the police can detain people without charging them. A recent law allowed the police to hold people for 6 hours without charging them. They use this law randomly almost every Sunday at soccer games. I live far from a soccer stadion but like most people I stay near my house between 9 and 14 on Sunday because I wont risk waste a Sunday in Jail. It has been proposed that the police should be allowed to detain people for weeks without involving the court system in relationship with the war.
But what is civil war? (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_war). Wikipedia defines it as:
A civil war is a war between organized groups to take control of a nation or region, or to change government policies.
The question is whether they just want to control the drug market or they want to go further and change our culture as it is done in England where Sharia law (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia) is welcomed for certain groups so we can risk two kind of justice systems in the same country (http://http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1687576.ece).
I am not going to judge whether we have a civil war or not. I am only going to stay indoor.
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Update:
During the last 48 hours one man has been killed and another is in intensive care after being shot several times in his back.
One of the victims are members of a gang according to sources by our secret police. They were both victims of mistaken identity.
Oh, lord. Someone has been shot? In the past two days one person is shot in all of Denmark? Uh, I dont know...im not getting 'civil war vibes,' i'm getting 'Oscar listens to too much talk radio' vibes.
But as I would LOVE it if psy really IS just pretending to living in france, I would LOVE it if denmark is in the process of being overthrown by bikers..(Or perhaps the bikers are fighting eachtother?..Sorry I'm a little hazy on Oscar's details)
Anyway, GO BIKERS!! Abduct me from my home and make me the dark emproress of the Visigoths!!
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Oh, lord. Someone has been shot? In the past two days one person is shot in all of Denmark? Uh, I dont know...im not getting 'civil war vibes,' i'm getting 'Oscar listens to too much talk radio' vibes.
But as I would LOVE it if psy really IS just pretending to living in france, I would LOVE it if denmark is in the process of being overthrown by bikers..(Or perhaps the bikers are fighting eachtother?..Sorry I'm a little hazy on Oscar's details)
Anyway, GO BIKERS!! Abduct me from my home and make me the dark emproress of the Visigoths!!
During the entire 2007 a gun recorded to have been used 22 times. Copenhagen - town with a population of 1,153,615 (2008).
That amount was more than dubled in 2008 to 61 indicents. I wont start to count 2009 but there has been shootings 2-3 times per week.
Thats how peaceful our country normally is. There is link to how 2008 went (Google translated) (http://http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&u=http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/krimi/article.php/id-19264820.html&sl=da&tl=en)
In two areas of Copenhagen the security has been taken over by gangs from the police. It is now the gangs who stop you on the street and check your pockets.
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Helo interwebs crazee peeple ! Kan yu helpp me fite pro gramms pleeze?
You're not allowed to spell words that way unless it is accompanied by a photograph of a cat doing something humorous.
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Oh, lord. Someone has been shot? In the past two days one person is shot in all of Denmark? Uh, I dont know...im not getting 'civil war vibes,' i'm getting 'Oscar listens to too much talk radio' vibes.
But as I would LOVE it if psy really IS just pretending to living in france, I would LOVE it if denmark is in the process of being overthrown by bikers..(Or perhaps the bikers are fighting eachtother?..Sorry I'm a little hazy on Oscar's details)
Anyway, GO BIKERS!! Abduct me from my home and make me the dark emproress of the Visigoths!!
During the entire 2007 a gun recorded to have been used 22 times. Copenhagen - town with a population of 1,153,615 (2008).
That amount was more than dubled in 2008 to 61 indicents. I wont start to count 2009 but there has been shootings 2-3 times per week.
Thats how peaceful our country normally is. There is link to how 2008 went (Google translated) (http://http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&u=http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/krimi/article.php/id-19264820.html&sl=da&tl=en)
In two areas of Copenhagen the security has been taken over by gangs from the police. It is now the gangs who stop you on the street and check your pockets.
Sounds wonderful. Living in a arachaic, biker-gang war-lord ruled Nordic society is very appealing to me. If only America could be overthrown by biker gangs. I think we'd see a significant improvement in quality of life. I also feel certain my biker band-tribe would have helped my ply my bloody justice to those that hurt me by now, which is the main thing.
Wish them luck for me. Biker gang, I love you. Good luck in your quest to usurp Danish society. What are they thinking putting mayonaise on french fries? Its unnatural. Looking for a sexy young latina to while away the hours betwixt fighting and riding your Hot Rods? Look me up. Im waiting.
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1 dead, 3 wounded tonight.
Graphic overview of the shootings (http://http://www.somethingrotten.dk/?p=825) in Copenhagen so people can see areas they should avoid.
The politicians are now talking about supporting one of the gangs by punishing their opponents heavier for the same crime (http://http://jp.dk/uknews/article1615542.ece).
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From an article in English (http://http://jp.dk/uknews/article1620544.ece)
he British Foreign & Commonwealth Office has advised travellers to be cautious when visiting areas affected by recent gang violenceThe open street gang violence in Nørrebro has been highlighted in the latest travel warning from the British Foreign & Commonwealth...
The open street gang violence in Nørrebro has been highlighted in the latest travel warning from the British Foreign & Commonwealth Office (FCO).
The update on the FCO website, dated January, maintains that British citizens should ‘exercise extra caution’ when in the Nørrebro area as a result of the gang conflict. The site also maintained that there continues to be a general terrorist threat level against Denmark, as there is in many European countries.
The FCO warned that the recent spate of violence between the Hells Angels and minority gangs included shootings, but said they were localised to the criminal elements involved.
Since last summer there have been more than 60 street shootings in the Greater Copenhagen area, many of which have been linked to an on-going turf battle between the Hells Angels bikers and a number of different immigrant gangs.
The latest shooting occurred on Amager on Sunday evening when 30-year-old Anders Wehage was gunned down in Café Våren by two men of immigrant background. Three others were injured in the attack which was linked to the gang disputes, but it has emerged that neither the dead man nor the injured had any connections to the biker group.
Other news are that the police established an convoy of trucks with armed escorts bringing food out to elderlies and disables, who have starved during some days because the delivery firms are afraid to deliver in certain areas of Copenhagen.