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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Whooter on June 05, 2010, 04:32:34 PM

Title: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 05, 2010, 04:32:34 PM
Wow, Just the tip of the iceberg?

According to a draft report commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education, in compliance with the 2002 "No Child Left Behind" act signed into law by President Bush, between 6 percent and 10 percent of public school children across the country have been sexually abused or harassed by school employees and teachers.

Extrapolating data from the latter, she estimated roughly 290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a school employee from a single decade—1991-2000. That compares with about five decades of cases of abusive priests.
Such figures led her to contend "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

Some of the most recent cases of school sexual abuse include the following:

•  In 2002, a California high school teacher ran off to Las Vegas with one of her 15-year-old students;
•  The same year, a Louisiana teacher was accused of having an affair with a 14-year-old student;
•  In the Bronx, one teacher was charged with the statutory rape of a 16-year-old former student;
•  In March, a 20-year-old Anderson, Ind. choir aide was charged with allegedly raping a 16-year-old female student—the two had a consensual relationship for three months before the girl asked to break it off;
•  A week earlier, an Indianapolis Public Schools substitute was caught having sex with a 15-year-old student in a vacant classroom;
•  A Washington state teacher was convicted of 10 counts of sexually exploiting minors by persuading them to pose nude for him—he then uploaded some of the images to a Web site;
•  Also in Washington, state officials say 159 coaches of girls sports have been fired or reprimanded over the last decade for sexual misconduct;
•  An investigation found more than 60 instances in the last four years of Texas high school and middle school coaches losing jobs as a result of allegations of sexual misconduct.

Link (http://http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/5/01552.shtml)




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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: walkedthere on June 05, 2010, 09:52:37 PM
Have I got this right ... a 6-year old report of a draft based on a 4 year older survey  has an author who concludes teacher sexual abuse in public schools exceeds that of priests, at least on a relative basis?  Even though priest abuse apparently involves touching or more, while the teacher "abuse" could be an off-hand remark someone thinks has a sexual connotation?  But why no final report?  Why nothing newer on the subject than 6 years?  And why little to no substantiation of the allegations?

There is no doubt that teachers have taken advantage of their position in some cases, and that students have suffered as a result.  But an off-the-cuff remark that someone takes offense at is not the same as rape.

And --- if the report was ever accepted as meriting publishing, and the subject were such a big issue, wouldn't there be something about the matter in the last half-decade plus?
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 06, 2010, 08:12:26 AM
A former teacher at a Fauquier County middle school has been sentenced to more than 17 years in prison for producing child pornography by filming himself engaging in sexual activity with a student.

Thirty-four-year-old Scott C. Howe, who taught at Cedar Lee Middle School, was convicted at a bench trial earlier this year. Howe used a video camera on multiple occasions to document sexual activity between himself and a teenage student who had been assigned to him for special instruction.

Howe plied the victim with alcohol and filmed some of the sex acts at the school.

Howe's defense lawyer called the crime an aberration and said "something snapped."

The term of 17.5 years was less than what prosecutors sought but more than the mandatory minimum of 15 years.

Fox News (http://http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/04/ex-teacher-sentenced-filming-porn-student/?test=latestnews)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 06, 2010, 04:08:52 PM
Joseph E. Hayes, a former principal in East St. Louis, Ill. DNA evidence in a civil case determined that he impregnated a 14-year-old student. Never charged criminally, his license was suspended.......



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 06, 2010, 05:50:09 PM
_ Donald M. Landrum, a high school teacher in Polk County, N.C. His bosses warned him not to meet with female students behind closed doors. They put a glass window in his office door, but Landrum papered over it. Police later found pornography and condoms in his office and alleged that he was about to have sex with a female student. His license was revoked in 2005.



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Title: availability of spec ed services varies
Post by: Ursus on June 06, 2010, 07:03:29 PM
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Ursus if I remember correctly you were advocating back on the JRC thread for children with Aspergers, High Functioning Autism and other disabilities, for their parents to place them back in the public school system. Now mind you I am not advocating JRC but just say'in that public schools are not the answer either.
The idea is "least restrictive" environment. The ultimate goal is self-sufficiency, or as close to it as possible. Since the feasibility of realizing that goal is quite high and quite probable when it comes to Aspies and high-functioning Autistics, it makes little sense to take a kid out of the mainstream when it isn't necessary. If anything, it presents yet another problematic transition and social environment that the kid needs to learn and adjust to, one that will, in all likelihood, have little or nothing to do with his or her life in the real world.

Moreover, since these programs all pretty much rely on TC-derived "positive peer culture" environments to do their inculcating, this can be, depending on the personality of the kid, potentially lethal. You put an introspective, socially-inhibited Aspie into an environment like that, you're asking for a bully fest.

As far as public schools go, it really depends mostly on the neighborhood and/or town, doesn't it? If you think that what's going on in a PS in Grosse Point, Michigan or Manhasset, Long Island can possibly compare with what's going on in a PS in the South Bronx, you are seriously delusional.
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 06, 2010, 10:28:30 PM
_ Rebecca A. Boicelli, a former teacher in Redwood City, Calif. She conceived a child with a 16-year-old former student then went on maternity leave in 2004 while police investigated. She was hired to teach in a nearby school district; board members said police hadn't told them about the investigation.



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Samara on June 06, 2010, 10:58:17 PM
No, most teachers are not pedophiles and rapists. Also, schools are becoming much more savvy about getting rid of these teachers. They aren't burying cases. It is a little difficult now with some female perpetrators because many of them have no priors at all. You can't tell by looking. There are vigorous background checks on federal and local levels.  

A married teacher who was recently busted near my area had a fundie Christian website with all kinds of platitudes about righteous living. People were shocked.

I don't really get it though. You have to be a total moron to mess with a student. Even if you had no ethics or morality at all, just on the basis of self preservation.... why would you do that?  I think many male coaches and teachers can keep it quiet longer due to intimidation on their part and shame on the female student's part.  But if a female teacher messes with a male student, it comes out faster. The weird thing is that many of my male friends say this would be their dream.

It is important to teach kids about boundaries, "tricky" people, and gut instinct.  I like the term "tricky" people because it helps explain those who have a nice, caring persona.
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Ursus on June 06, 2010, 11:12:11 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
No, most teachers are not pedophiles and rapists. Also, schools are becoming much more savvy about getting rid of these teachers. They aren't burying cases. It is a little difficult now with some female perpetrators because many of them have no priors at all. You can't tell by looking. There are vigorous background checks on federal and local levels.  

A married teacher who was recently busted near my area had a fundie Christian website with all kinds of platitudes about righteous living. People were shocked.

I don't really get it though. You have to be a total moron to mess with a student. Even if you had no ethics or morality at all, just on the basis of self preservation.... why would you do that?  I think many male coaches and teachers can keep it quiet longer due to intimidation on their part and shame on the female student's part.  But if a female teacher messes with a male student, it comes out faster. The weird thing is that many of my male friends say this would be their dream.

It is important to teach kids about boundaries, "tricky" people, and gut instinct.  I like the term "tricky" people because it helps explain those who have a nice, caring persona.
Yep. I agree. Often those "tricky people" are very popular teachers or staff!

But the way public schools handle these events of sexual predation is also far different than the way programs handle them. Which, I suspect, given previous discussions I've come across, is a point that Whooter will try handily to obfuscate.  :D
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: BuzzKill on June 07, 2010, 10:09:33 AM
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
(and believe me, when FOX FUCKING 'NEWS' sees the obvious flaws..) in some dumb bitch's gross misuse of statistics, which was seized upon by Newsmax to protect the Catholic Church, because she was dumb enough to mis-cite a report from feminists and ended up conflating teachers' harassment with teenage boys'.


You might recall it was Fox that did the three part series on WWASP. They did a good job too. Other than Montana's PBS - what other American media or news organization has done as much?
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 07, 2010, 04:03:18 PM
Link (http://http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/05/25/2215443/garland-man-accused-of-raping.html)

Garland police have arrested a teaching assistant at Naaman Forest High School and accused him of raping a teenage girl.
Dennis Connor, 27, of Garland was being held Tuesday at the city jail on a charge of sexual assault of a child -- rape. Bond was set at $25,000.
Connor was arrested late Monday afternoon after police received an "outcry" from a student who said he raped her, said Officer Joe Harn, police spokesman.
"Police detectives are continuing their investigation and are not ruling out the possibility of other inappropriate relationships with students Connor may have had," Harn said.
Anyone with information about Connor can call Garland Crime Stoppers at 972-272-8477, Harn said.




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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 07, 2010, 06:01:33 PM
One report mandated by Congress estimated that as many as 4.5 million students, out of roughly 50 million in American schools, are subject to sexual misconduct by an employee of a school sometime between kindergarten and 12th grade. That figure includes verbal harassment that's sexual in nature.



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 08, 2010, 03:32:25 AM
Link (http://http://www.fairness.com/resources/relation?relation_id=65788)

October 2007: "Mary Jo McGrath, attorney at law, Founder and President of McGrath Systems, Inc., graduated magna cum laude in 1974 from the University of California Los Angeles, and from Loyola University School of Law cum laude in 1977. She has been a practicing attorney for nearly 30 years, specializing in employee performance issues and legal mandates in the school and workplace.

    In 1989, after serving as a partner in one of California's most prestigious law firms, she founded her own law office specializing in education and personnel law. Ms. McGrath's unique practice involves cases dealing with termination, suspension, and layoffs, as well as labor relation matters such as negotiations, arbitrations, unfair practice proceedings and employment discrimination issues, with an emphasis on sexual harassment and educator sexual abuse.

    Ms. McGrath is author of School Bullying: Tools for Avoiding Harm and Liability (Corwin Press, 2007). Her training company, McGrath Training Systems, also produces the highly acclaimed educational video series for schools Student Sexual Harassment and Abuse: Minimize the Risk and The Early Faces of Violence: From Schoolyard Bullying and Ridicule to Sexual Harassment. McGrath Training has delivered workshops on topics ranging from sexual harassment and abuse awareness and investigation to employee supervision evaluation and leadership to more than 250,000 school administrators, teachers, staff, students, parents and community members.

    Ms. McGrath is acknowledged as an international expert in sexual harassment and child sexual abuse as well as employee performance, quality and discipline law. She served an expert consultant to the office of the California Governor on teacher tenure reform and has been the featured legal expert on CBS' Eye to Eye with Connie Chung, The CBS Evening News with Dan Rather and 48 Hours programs on the issue of sexual harassment and abuse and on ABC's 20/20 on the issue of teacher quality and performance. She has been featured in The Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, Redbook, Reader's Digest, Seventeen and several nationally circulated professional journals. Ms. McGrath served as Chair of the US Department of Education Safe, Disciplined and Drug-Free Schools Expert Panel from 2000 to 2002. "
    http://www.mcgrathinc.com/presenters-mm.html (http://www.mcgrathinc.com/presenters-mm.html)

Third-Party Descriptions

    October 2007: "'...I think every single school district in the nation has at least one perpetrator. At least one,' says Mary Jo McGrath, a California lawyer who has spent 30 years investigating misconduct in schools....They can't see what's in front of their face. Not unlike a kid in an alcoholic family, who'll say, 'My family is great,' says McGrath, the California lawyer and investigator who now trains school systems how to recognize what she calls the 'red flags' of misconduct."



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 08, 2010, 03:33:02 AM
QUOTE: more than 2,500 cases over five years in which educators were punished for actions from bizarre to sadistic. There are 3 million public school teachers nationwide, most devoted to their work. Yet the number of abusive educators, nearly three for every school day, speaks to a much larger problem in a system that is stacked against victims.



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 08, 2010, 12:15:06 PM
findings of an AP investigation in which reporters sought disciplinary records in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The result is an unprecedented national look at the scope of sex offenses by educators _ the very definition of breach of trust.

The seven-month investigation found 2,570 educators whose teaching credentials were revoked, denied, surrendered or sanctioned from 2001 through 2005 following allegations of sexual misconduct.

Young people were the victims in at least 1,801 of the cases, and more than 80 percent of those were students.


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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 08, 2010, 01:50:32 PM
The AP found the number of state actions against sexually abusive teachers rose steadily, to a high of 649 in 2005.



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 08, 2010, 07:42:56 PM
Despite the fact that the use of corporal punishment on students is a violation of international human rights law, a report issued jointly by Human Rights Watch and the ALCU found that corporal punishment is routine in public schools in many parts of the US, and that almost a quarter-of-a-million school children were paddled, thrown to the floor, struck with rulers or other instruments, pinched, and hit as a means of discipline.

Link (http://http://www.care2.com/causes/civil-rights/blog/stop-child-abuse-in-public-schools/)


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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 08, 2010, 08:17:12 PM
These guys just move from one public school to the next.

A former teacher at Bay Point Middle School who was acquitted of molesting one of his students in the mid 1990s has been indicted on rape and sexual abuse charges in New York.

A grand jury in Franklin County indicted Michael J. Scaringe Jr., 61, on one count of second-degree rape, two counts of second-degree sexual abuse and one count of child endangerment, according to the Adirondack Daily Enterprise.

Scaringe, of Saranac Lake, N.Y., was arrested by New York State Police on New Year's Day and charged with first-degree rape of a 13-year-old girl who frequented a youth center Scaringe led.

Scaringe is a former teacher at the Canterbury School of Florida and Bay Point Middle, both in St. Petersburg.

In 1995, a 14-year-old Bay Point student accused him of fondling her breasts and buttocks, rubbing his crotch against her and trying to kiss her. He was acquitted by a jury.


Link (http://http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/former-teacher-indicted-on-charges-he-raped-girl-in-new-york/1100825)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 09, 2010, 08:09:53 AM
Investigators say as many as 20 people were involved in or stood and watched the gang rape of a 15-year-old girl outside a California high school homecoming dance Saturday night.

A 1999 California law makes it illegal not to report a witnessed crime against a child, but the law applies only to children 14 and under.

"We do not have the ability to arrest people who witnessed the crime and did nothing," Gagan said. "The law can be very rigid. We don't have the authority to make an arrest."

The victim was found unconscious under a bench shortly before midnight Saturday, after police received a call from someone in the area who had overheard people at the assault scene "reminiscing about the incident," Richmond Police Lt. Mark Gagan said.

The attack occurred on school grounds as the annual homecoming dance was under way inside the school Saturday night, authorities said.

Link (http://http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/27/california.gang.rape.investigation/)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 09, 2010, 01:53:36 PM
A Compton High School math teacher from Placentia is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday morning after he was accused of sexually abusing three female students.

Nicolei Hurtado Ocaña, 28, was charged Monday with two counts of lewd act upon a child, two counts of contact with a minor for sexual offense and one count each of oral copulation of a person under 18 and child molesting, a misdemeanor.

The offenses took place between Sept. 1, 2008 and April 21, 2010, according to the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office. One victim was 15 years old and the two others were 16 at the time of the offenses, all occurring at the school, prosecutors said.

Link (http://http://www.ocregister.com/articles/charged-248172-oca%C3%B1a-school.html)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 10, 2010, 11:17:26 AM
link (http://http://cbs2chicago.com/investigations/Painful.Lessons.Abuse.2.931134.html)

Hundreds of students have allegedly been beaten by teachers, coaches and staff at Chicago Public Schools. 2 Investigator Dave Savini continues his ongoing investigation involving the illegal use corporal punishment.

Treveon Martin, 10, is afraid of a teacher at his school.

"I've seen him hit five of them in the classroom," Martin said.

Martin says he and others have been hit, grabbed and even struck with a belt.

"He's threatened almost all the kids in his classroom," Martin said.
he 2 Investigators found reports of students beaten with broomsticks, whipped with belts, yard sticks, struck with staplers, choked, stomped on and pushed down stairs. One substitute teacher even fractured a student's neck.



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 10, 2010, 12:39:03 PM
A Tulsa school administrator and teacher is arrested and charged with sexual abuse and lewd molestation.  Robert Yerton Jr, 41, is accused of sexually abusing a 6-year-old at Skelly Elementary in October.  According to the affidavit, a school counselor saw Yerton place his hands inside the child's pants and touch his genitals.  Two other the criminal charges stem from accusations from a now 18-year-old who says Yerton moletsted him over a period of several years.  A third person, a former student of Yerton's, says he was moletsted in 1996 but the statute of limitations expired on that accusation.  A statement from Tulsa Public Schools says Robert Yerton Jr has been an employee since 1983 and that no one has ever reported him engaging in criminal activity of any sort.  He is currently suspended with pay.  Tulsa police are still investigating.  Yerton's attorney says his client is innocent of all charges.

Link (http://http://krmg.com/localnews/2010/05/tulsa-school-administrator-cha.html)




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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 13, 2010, 08:04:54 PM
Saturday June 12, 2010

The Pajaro Valley High School teacher who turned herself in to police Wednesday on charges of having sex with a male student and providing alcohol to students plans to deny all allegations, her attorney said Thursday.
Police believe she had sex with the male at school and at her Aptos home.

Investigators also believe she had an inappropriate relationship with another male student four years ago, but Thienngern has not been charged with a crime in that incident because the male was 18.

Link (http://http://www.register-pajaronian.com/v2_news_articles.php?heading=0&story_id=8988&page=72)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 14, 2010, 10:31:29 AM
June 11, 2010

A former York Junior High School teacher and coach has been ordered to spend three years in prison and three years on probation after admitting he sent sexually explicit text messages to underage girls.

Authorities say Cheeks was a teacher and coach at York Junior High School when he sent explicit text messages to a 14-year-old girl and 15-year-old girl.

Link (http://http://www.heraldonline.com/2010/06/11/2237110/ex-york-teacher-gets-3-years-in.html)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 14, 2010, 07:50:47 PM
June 14, 2010

A suspended math teacher and former girls basketball coach from Brentwood's Heritage High School is headed to trial on charges that he offered a female student $200 to disrobe and then arranged a meeting for sex.

Prosecutors said a 17-year-old math student was taking a makeup exam Jan. 21 when Price placed a $100 bill on a desk and asked her to disrobe. When the girl refused, the married father laid down a second $100 bill.

The next day, police sent Price a text message from the girl's cell phone and arranged a meeting. Price was arrested after showing up to meet the girl carrying alcohol, condoms and two $100 bills, prosecutors said.

Link (http://http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15295241?nclick_check=1)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 15, 2010, 11:44:54 AM
A former Silverton elementary school teacher was sentenced to 40 years in prison Monday for repeatedly raping and sexually abusing a 13-year-old boy.

Susan C. Alderson, 47, of South Salem was a teacher at Robert Frost Elementary School at the time of her arrest……

Alderson pleaded guilty to all the charges against her in February. They are two counts each of rape, sodomy, second-degree sexual abuse and third-degree sexual abuse. Third-degree sexual abuse is a misdemeanor charge; the others are felonies.
Rape and sodomy are Measure 11 crimes that carry mandatory minimum sentences of 8 years 4 months in prison.

But Marion County Circuit Judge Joseph Ochoa said factors including the vulnerability of the victim, persistent involvement in the crimes, violation of the public's trust and Alderson's lack of remorse substantiated the extended sentence.

Link (http://http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20100615/NEWS/6150326/1001/news)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 15, 2010, 05:28:33 PM
Link (http://http://north-shore-times.whereilive.com.au/news/story/former-knox-teacher-jailed-for-sexual-abuse1/)

FORMER Knox Grammar School teacher Craig Treloar was sentenced in the NSW District Court today for a maximum four and a half years jail.
Mr Treloar, 50, admitted he sexually abused students at the Wahroonga school between 1984 and 1987.
The offences involved four students, aged 11 to 13.

He pleaded guilty to two counts of indecent assault, committing an act of indecency and soliciting an underage male to gross indecency.
He also pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography, found by police on his computer after his arrest.



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 16, 2010, 04:25:20 PM
VERNAL -- A former Vernal Junior High School teacher has admitted to an improper sexual relationship with a student.

Norman Bernard pleaded guilty Tuesday to multiple counts of felony child sex abuse.

He was arrested in January when his relationship with the girl -- which prosecutors say began last October -- was uncovered.

Bernard will be sentenced in August. He could face a term of life in prison.


Link (http://http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=11193042)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 17, 2010, 09:33:35 AM
June 15, 2010

A former Vernal Junior High School teacher has pleaded guilty to having sex with a 14-year-old girl last year.
Norman Bernard, 58, pleaded guilty earlier this month to first-degree felony aggravated sex abuse of a child and first-degree felony forcible sodomy in 8th District Court.
He was originally charged with 15 counts in connection with carrying on a three-month relationship with the girl, including seven counts of second-degree felony forcible sex abuse, two counts of first-degree felony aggravated sex abuse of a child, first-degree felony sodomy, first-degree felony object rape and four counts of third-degree felony enticing a minor over the Internet.
Bernard faces up to life in prison at sentencing.
 
Link (http://http://www.sltrib.com/D=g/ci_15303339)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 17, 2010, 03:24:03 PM
June 16, 2010

Former Alta Vista Montessori Magnet School kindergarten teacher Fernando Campos was named in an indictment Wednesday charging continuous sexual abuse of a child and four counts of indecency with a child by contact in incidents involving two of his young students.

A case involving a third student was still pending

…he worked as a bilingual pre-kindergarten and kindergarten teacher.

The affidavit submitted for the warrant on that charge says the third student told investigators that Campos pulled down his clothing and fondled his genitals under a desk in a classroom at the school.

Waco ISD spokesman Dale Caffey said the district investigated Campos late last year after the mother of a student told officials she was concerned that her daughter was being abused at school, but he said no proof of wrongdoing was found at that time.

Link (http://http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/96511259.html)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 20, 2010, 04:21:22 PM
A Southern California elementary school teacher has been charged with sexually abusing seven female students for more than a decade.

Prosecutors said Friday that 41-year-old Wade Joseph Bughman, who teaches sixth grade at Beardslee Elementary School in Duarte, was charged last week. He's scheduled to be arraigned Monday.

Bughman faces seven felony charges including continuous sexual abuse and forcible rape.
Prosecutors say each of the girls was under the age of 14 at the time of the abuse and one girl was in the second grade. The alleged abuse took place between 1997 and 2010.

Prosecutors have recommended Bughman's bail be set at $2.1 million.

He faces multiple life terms in prison if convicted of all charges.

Link (http://http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/06/18/state/n215226D02.DTL&tsp=1)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 23, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
Two Glendale teachers could face child-abuse charges following the drowning of an Ironwood High School sophomore during gym class.
Jesus "Jesse" Prado, 16, died last month, two days after a classmate pulled him from a pool.

Link (http://http://www.azcentral.com/community/surprise/articles/2010/06/23/20100623arizona-gym-teachers-pool-death-abuse-charges.html)


A former Quincy Public Schools student teacher arrested in connection with drug and sexual abuse charges will have a jury trial starting Sept. 13.

Frisbie pleaded not guilty May 12 to delivery of a controlled substance, aggravated criminal sexual abuse, possession of methamphetamine and possession of drug paraphernalia. He posted 10 percent of a $75,000 bond to gain his release two days after his arrest on April 17.

Link (http://http://www.whig.com/story/news/Frisbie-062310)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 24, 2010, 01:03:57 PM
Bryan C. Pettibone, a 36-year-old science teacher and boys' basketball coach from Central Baldwin Middle School (Baldwin County). Pettibone was arrested in February of 2009 (prior to the adoption of the Fincher Act) and charged with four counts of enticing a child for immoral purposes, one count of attempted sexual abuse, three counts of sexual abuse, and four counts of harassment. His victims ranged from 13 to 14 years of age. Pettibone was subsequently convicted of these charges on May 11, 2010.


Link (http://http://www.wncftv.com/localnews/95776964.html)
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on June 25, 2010, 06:11:50 PM
June 16, 2010

A former McNair High School teacher has pleaded guilty to having sex with one of her students.  Oliver pleaded guilty Friday to two counts each of unlawful sex with a minor and oral copulation, according to court records.

The Stockton resident was arrested in February 2009 after a 16-year-old boy's parents learned of the relationship and went to police. The boy had been a student in one of Oliver's sophomore English classes.

Link (http://http://www.lodinews.com/articles/2010/06/16/news/2_oliver_100616.txt)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 01, 2010, 05:18:55 PM
October 31, 2010

EUGENE, Ore. Police accuse Chad Gerald Schacht, who teaches at a Springfield middle school and coaches at a Eugene high school, of sexually abusing a 15-year-old student .

Schacht, 40, is a teacher at Agnes Stewert Middle School. But it was his activities as a cross country coach at Sheldon High which sparked an investigation by the Violent Crimes Unit of the Eugene Police Department. Staffers at Sheldon received information about the alleged abuse, and reported it to police.

They arrested Schacht at his home and booked him into the Lane County Jail. He is charged with third-degree rape and third-degree sodomy.
Investigators ask that anyone with information about this case, or about other possible transgressions involving Chad Schacht, to call  Detective Dan Braziel at 541-682-5836.

Link (http://http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Eugene-teacher-accused-of-child-rape/f_ANZnDSZ0GAWL6t0lJ9Sw.cspx)




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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: DannyB II on November 01, 2010, 06:24:06 PM
CBS news reports....
Treveon Martin, 10, is one of at least 818 Chicago Public School students, since 2003, to allege being battered by a teacher or other staff member.

* CPS Takes Action On Corporal Punishment
(10/7/2008)
* Painful Lessons: Students Face Corporal Punishment
(9/24/2008)

Hundreds of students have allegedly been beaten by teachers, coaches and staff at Chicago Public Schools. 2 Investigator Dave Savini continues his ongoing investigation involving the illegal use corporal punishment.

Treveon Martin, 10, is afraid of a teacher at his school.

"I've seen him hit five of them in the classroom," Martin said.

Martin says he and others have been hit, grabbed and even struck with a belt.

"He's threatened almost all the kids in his classroom," Martin said.

He says it happened at Robert Emmet Academy in November but a Chicago Public School investigator didn't talk to him until last week - 70 days after the case was reported, and not until after we started asking questions.

"He holded my arms and he picked my body up, and then he just slammed me on the desk," Martin said.

An exclusive CBS 2 investigation discovered Treveon Martin is one of at least 818 Chicago Public School students, since 2003, to allege being battered by a teacher or an aide, coach, security guard, or even a principal. In most of those cases - 568 of them - Chicago Public School investigators determined the children were telling the truth.

"I'm thinking that I don't really feel safe," Martin said.

The 2 Investigators found reports of students beaten with broomsticks, whipped with belts, yard sticks, struck with staplers, choked, stomped on and pushed down stairs. One substitute teacher even fractured a student's neck.

But even more alarming, in the vast majority of cases, teachers found guilty were only given a slap on the wrist.

CBS 2 informed former Chicago Public School CEO Arne Duncan of our investigative findings shortly before he was promoted to U.S. Secretary of Education.

"If someone hits a student, they are going to be fired. It's very, very simple," Duncan said.

Before heading to Washington, he vowed to take action.

"Any founded allegation where an adult is hitting a child, hitting a student - they're going to be gone," Duncan said.

But that's not what happened under Duncan's watch. Of the 568 verified cases, only 24 led to termination. Records show one teacher who quote "battered students for several years" was simply given a "warning" by the Board of Education.

And another student was given "100 licks with a belt." The abuse was substantiated, but the records show the teacher was not terminated.

Alderman Pat O'Connor is on the City Council Education Committee. He wants all these cases re-examined including the way Treveon Martin's was handled.

"I'll tell you what it is - it's deplorable," O'Connor said. "I really believe that the Board has dropped the ball in this instance."

He says this information was never brought to the committee's attention until now.

"You rely on them to follow the law, and clearly here, it doesn't appear that they have," O'Connor said.

There is a state law that bans corporal punishment. But as our 2 Investigators first exposed in September - students are being hit by coaches too. Paddles were confiscated, and CBS 2 exposed gym security tape at Simeon Career Academy showing a coach paddling volleyball players reportedly for missing serves.

Martin says the teacher injured him after he got into a scuffle with a classmate over an eraser.

"My back really hurted, and then at the end of the day, I had to go the hospital," Martin said.

His mother, Courtney Smith, says he was taken by ambulance and treated for a contusion on his back. It is children around his age who appear to be most at risk. The 2 Investigators found the students with the most complaints are in kindergarten through 8th grade.

"He doesn't have very much faith in anyone at his school," Smith said.

"He hurt my feelings," Martin said.

So why did it take over two months to look into Martin's case? School officials say it's because they have many cases to investigate. But just a few hours ago, an investigator determined the allegations against the teacher were unfounded. We are also told only two students were interviewed.

Incoming Chicago Public Schools CEO Ron Huberman is troubled by all these cases, including the case of Treveon Martin and promises to further review them, and that includes the process by which they are examined and investigated.

Alderman O'Connor is drafting a resolution and will bring our findings to the attention of the entire City Council this week.

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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: DannyB II on November 01, 2010, 06:27:45 PM
http://www.care2.com/causes/civil-right ... c-schools/ (http://www.care2.com/causes/civil-rights/blog/stop-child-abuse-in-public-schools/)

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Despite the fact that the use of corporal punishment on students is a violation of international human rights law, a report issued jointly by Human Rights Watch and the ALCU found that corporal punishment is routine in public schools in many parts of the US, and that almost a quarter-of-a-million school children were paddled, thrown to the floor, struck with rulers or other instruments, pinched, and hit as a means of discipline. Of those students subjected to this abuse, a disproportionate amount were students with disabilities, often punished simply for displaying symptoms of that disability.  Examples include students with Tourette syndrome physically punished for exhibiting involuntary tics and students with autism physically punished for repetitive behavior such as rocking.

 Children are protected from the use of corporal punishment in most US juvenile detention centers and mental health facilities, yet twenty states currently permit the use of corporal punishment in public schools.  In states where corporal punishment is allowed, hundreds of school districts make routine use of it.  Under human rights law including the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, the UN Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhumane or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, and the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, physical force may only be used against students when it is absolutely necessary to protect a child or others, and even then the minimum amount of force for the shortest amount of time must be used.  
Landon K., a six-year-old-boy with autism illustrates that many school districts ignore these mandates.  He was paddled on the buttocks by his assistant principal, described by Landon's mother as a "large man--nearly 300 pounds" for simply shouting in class.  Michelle R., whose son has Tourette syndrome, finally removed her child from school after he was placed in a closet and repeatedly hit for displaying involuntary tics.  The more her son tried to explain that the physical behavior was connected to his disability, the more he was punished for it.  In some cases the punishment was so severe the children were hospitalized, suffering injuries comparable to motorcycle accident victims.
The use of corporal punishment, especially on students with disabilities, can cause permanent physical and mental injury.  Landon K. became terrified of returning to school and began suffering violent outbursts if approached from behind.  Paddling can cause deep bruising, severe muscle injury, hematomas, and hemorrhaging, according to The Society for Adolescent Medicine.  Students subjected to paddling and other physical violence also suffer mental stigma from being abused in front of their classmates.  All this despite the fact that evidence is conclusive that corporal punishment is ineffective in dealing with even extreme behavioral problems in the classroom.

The findings by Human Rights Watch and the ACLU were based on over 200 interviews conducted between December 2007 and June 2009 with experts and individuals directly affected by corporal punishment, including parents, students, teachers, administrators and special education professionals.  It calls for a complete prohibition on the use of corporal punishment against all students in US public schools and offers recommendations to Congress, the Department of Education and local governments, including best practices and a moratorium on corporal punishment against students with disabilities until a full prohibition is achieved.  The United States did take one small step closer to rectifying the situation when it signed the U.N. Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, the most comprehensive international treaty on the rights of persons with disabilities in history.

US federal and state governments can uphold children's rights by banning corporal punishment and implementing positive behavioral supports.  With appropriate funding, training, and support, educators can create and implement discipline systems that respond to the fundamental needs of even the most vulnerable students.  In doing so they can create environments where every student thrives and reaches his or her academic potential--all without raising a single hand in violence.

Read more: education, civil rights, human rights, corporal punishment, public schools
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 02, 2010, 09:53:44 AM
STOCKTON - Former McNair High teacher Christina Oliver was sentenced to 150 days in San Joaquin County Jail and five years probation for having a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old student nearly two years ago.

Oliver pleaded guilty to four counts of having sex with a minor. Judge Franklin M. Stephenson ruled that she does not have to register as a sex offender.

Oliver, 26, was arrested for having sex with a boy in her sophomore English class in February 2009. She admitted to having several sexual encounters with him before his father informed authorities.

Defense attorney Ralph Cingcon argued successfully Monday that Oliver should not be sentenced to state prison or be required to register as a sex offender, citing reports from medical experts and probation officials that his client "does not have a predisposition to engage in these types of activities."

Cingcon called Oliver's relationship with her student an aberration of her character, citing her résumé of being a college graduate with a master's degree, and that she has been in law school since losing her job as a teacher.

"She has taken responsibility for her actions, and she is openly remorseful," Cingcon said. "She is somebody that can be helped."

Deputy District Attorney Kristine Reed argued that Oliver should be given state prison time. As a teacher, she was in a position of power and trust from the community.

Reed said that while it may not seem to be in character for Oliver to have committed a sex crime, she made multiple impulsive decisions to do so two years ago - and she could do it again.

"If she had done it once and decided to put an end to it after having time to reflect upon that, she would have a better argument," Reed said. "But she didn't. She contacted the plaintiff multiple times, and was on her way to do it again when she was stopped by authorities."

Stephenson said he encourages Oliver's pursuit of a law degree, and ordered her to report to county jail May 16, after the spring semester.


Link (http://http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20101102/A_NEWS09/11020316/-1/a_news06)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Troll Control on November 02, 2010, 10:06:27 AM
When I was a senior in HS I had sex many times with my English TA who was a sophomore at Vassar college.  It was great.  Plus we smoked a lot of weed and got drunk quite a bit at her apartment.  Some would call this "abuse," but I would call it "great."
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 02, 2010, 03:02:40 PM
October 29,2010

Police have arrested a Lafayette middle school teacher on suspicion of having a sexual relationship with a 14-year-old student and sending her as many as 140 text messages of a sexual nature per day.
Michael Merrick was being held Thursday in county jail on $3.05 million bail.
Police Chief Mike Hubbard said the 47-year-old teacher was arrested Wednesday, two days after the female student made the allegations.
 
 
Merrick is accused of having sexual contact with the student during private tutoring sessions at Stanley Middle School. Lafayette School District Superintendent Fred Brill said Merrick is a wood shop teacher and a youth sports coach who has worked for the district for at least a decade.
It's not known whether he has retained an attorney.

Link (http://http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-10-29/news/24545813_1_lafayette-teacher-student-sexual-relationship)



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 02, 2010, 03:13:08 PM
I'm still not understanding what this has to do with the TTI.  Regular schools, even regular boarding schools are completely different animals from TTIs.
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Samara on November 02, 2010, 03:25:07 PM
And even a hint of abuse stigmatizes the teacher and school forever. TTI's operate more insidiously. The presumption of guilt already on the child. The child is in an insular, threatening environment with no advocacy. Whoot knows this and this is just a tactical thread.
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 02, 2010, 03:47:37 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I'm still not understanding what this has to do with the TTI.  Regular schools, even regular boarding schools are completely different animals from TTIs.

Personally I think it can say a lot about the industry.  It can be used as a barometer or insight (window) into the TTI.  We can see how many different ways kids are being taken advantage of by their teachers.  These Public schools use similar screening criteria and back ground checks as some of the programs do.  If too much time goes by and we see all these public schools reporting 100's of abuse cases and we dont see any reports coming out of the TTI then that may tell us something.

Do programs have less problems than public schools?
Or Do they go unreported?
Do they handle it internally with letters to the parents?
Are Programs required to make abuse occurrences public?
Are the kids just afraid to report it?


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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Troll Control on November 02, 2010, 04:13:49 PM
So then why is it in the "TTI" forum, gatekeeper?  It should be moved to the OFFA.  

You're right, Anne.  It has nothing to do with the TTI and was posted in the wrong forum.  The mod should move the thread to the appropriate venue and stop trying to stifle debate about the TTI in the TTI forum.
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Shadyacres on November 02, 2010, 05:12:06 PM
Blah, blah, blah.  Unlike Whooter, this thread has nothing to do with the Troubled Teen Industry.  One more attempt to conceal the horrible truth about these places.  My public high school was not abusive, Whooter, though some of the kids and even some of the staff, were.  That is completely different from the institutionalized abuse found in Troubled Teen facilities.  Of course, it was my public high school guidance counselor who suggested the program to my mother, and THAT was VERY abusive.
This forum is entitled "The Troubled Teen Industry", not "Public schools and how Whooter thinks they make programs look good".  Is Danny B the Gatekeeper?
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Gonzotherapy on November 02, 2010, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"

Do programs have less problems than public schools?
Or Do they go unreported?
Do they handle it internally with letters to the parents?
Are Programs required to make abuse occurrences public?
Are the kids just afraid to report it?


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I think some comparisons should be made.

How many kids in public school have all communication with the outside world cut off for months or years while they are attending?

How many reports of abuse in public schools compared with TTI programs in a ratio of students enrolled?

How many public schools are located in third world countries where government supervision is limited/nonexistent?

How many kids have died in public schools as a result of unlicensed/poorly trained staff?

Any comments as to Whooters motivation for this thread should be placed in the OFFA, I'm taking a poll.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 02, 2010, 05:52:47 PM
I changed the title of this thread to open it up to discussing Public school as well as Program abuse.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Shadyacres on November 02, 2010, 05:59:21 PM
Oh good, you found a way to keep your garbage distraction thread on the New Posts list.  Keep it up Whooter, you only discredit yourself.
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 02, 2010, 06:38:39 PM
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
Quote from: "Whooter"

Do programs have less problems than public schools?
Or Do they go unreported?
Do they handle it internally with letters to the parents?
Are Programs required to make abuse occurrences public?
Are the kids just afraid to report it?


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I think some comparisons should be made.

How many kids in public school have all communication with the outside world cut off for months or years while they are attending?

How many reports of abuse in public schools compared with TTI programs in a ratio of students enrolled?

How many public schools are located in third world countries where government supervision is limited/nonexistent?

How many kids have died in public schools as a result of unlicensed/poorly trained staff?

Any comments as to Whooters motivation for this thread should be placed in the OFFA, I'm taking a poll.

These are some good points, Gonzo.  Its too bad that the private sector are not required to keep the same records as our public sector does so that we could compare the 2 directly.  At first glance I would imagine that the 2 would be fairly close in numbers because they use similar background check agencies.  

Some thoughts:
It may be a little more difficult to prey on kids in programs because of the close oversight, staff/student ratio and structure.  
On the other hand the kids in programs are more isolated from the outside world.
Kids in public school sometimes have parents who allow them a long leash giving opportunity to a person in a power position to abuse a child over a long period of time.  Whereas in a program this would be difficult.

Overall I think it would be more difficult to abuse a child in a program setting because of the structure, number of staff  and difficulty to hide the abuse.



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Gonzotherapy on November 02, 2010, 07:12:17 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"

These are some good points, Gonzo.  Its too bad that the private sector are not required to keep the same records as our public sector does so that we could compare the 2 directly.  At first glance I would imagine that the 2 would be fairly close in numbers because they use similar background check agencies.  


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You mean these similar background checks?Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
the agency documented only one reference.
(2) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 2:15 pm with Staff EE, Staff EE indicated
that she/he is responsible for completing and maintaining employee personnel files. Staff EE
monitors the files for compliance when time permits to ensure that files are updated; however
Staff EE indicated that she/he was not fully aware of all requirements in maintaining personnel
files other than what is indicated by the agency wide checklist of the required documents needed
in the personnel files.
(3) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 2:35 pm with Staff DD, Staff DD indicated
that agency protocol is that staff members are required to provide references within 90 days of
employment.
This tag was previously cited on 12-03-08.
[Written personnel records] records shall include the following: ...
5. Satisfactory preliminary criminal history background check determination and a satisfactory fingerprint records
check determination as required by law for the director and foster par
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on a review of resident files and e-mail correspondence with staff, the facility failed to
document a satisfactory preliminary criminal history background check on adults aged eighteen
or older who reside at the home;

You mean the background checks that they dont do?
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 02, 2010, 07:22:04 PM
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"

You mean the background checks that they dont do?

No, I mean the ones they that are done on staff and teachers (your post referred to resident kids. Public schools dont require background checks on students).  If the program is regulated then they are required to use the same background check agencies as the rest of the schools in the state (Public Schools).  Some background checks are more comprehensive then others are.

If public schools or private schools fail to do back ground checks then this leaves a gaping hole and this needs to be addressed. (I think we can all agree here)

Private schools which are not regulated by the state use various background check agencies which can be more comprehensive than what the state provides.  So Private schools can be a little more safe (on paper) than the public schools in this aspect.



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Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Gonzotherapy on November 02, 2010, 07:36:53 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
No, I mean the ones they that are done.  If the program is regulated then they are required to use the same background check agencies as the rest of the schools in the state (Public Schools).  Some background checks are more comprehensive then others are.

Private schools which are not regulated by the state use various background check agencies which can be more comprehensive than what the state provides.  So Private schools can be a little more safe (on paper) than the public schools in this aspect.



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Then I guess the real problem is that programs alot of times are unaccredited and unlicensed schools. That don't do background checks. Is that more comprehensive, or less comprehensive when they just don't do it at all?

I guess we should just trust NATSAP
http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/for ... php/NATSAP (http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php/NATSAP)

Since Ridge Creek was a member and all.
http://www.ridgecreekschool.com/ (http://www.ridgecreekschool.com/)

That is a snazzy website, I wonder if it's unethical not to include all the child safety violations in their advertisement?
Title: Re: Public School Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 02, 2010, 07:46:09 PM
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
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Then I guess the real problem is that programs alot of times are unaccredited and unlicensed schools. That don't do background checks. Is that more comprehensive, or less comprehensive when they just don't do it at all?

If a school doesn't perform background checks at all then they would be at a greater risk of hiring a child predator.  I dont think being unaccredited or unlicensed means the school is less safe.  These schools could actually be more safe if they perform a more rigorous background check than the "boiler plate" checks the public sector does.  I think the posts on this thread show that the public school background checks are not very effective.

I think the key is looking at the frequency of the back ground checks and the type of check that is performed.


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That is a snazzy website, I wonder if it's unethical not to include all the child safety violations in their advertisement?

No its not unethical.  I have never seen any school or business do that.  When was the last time you went into a hospital that showed pictures of people dying on the operating table hanging on the wall.  Or walked into a New car dealership with pictures of car accidents around for people to see?  They always put their best foot forward, everyone does.  I am sure you do too.


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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Che Gookin on November 02, 2010, 09:50:35 PM
Plenty of kids get referred from public school districts to private duckfarms. Seems more than enough to make it of interest to the TTI forum to me.
Title: Dangerous Residents, Untrained Staff
Post by: Watchful Yeoman on November 03, 2010, 07:11:47 AM
Ridge Creek School ORS Report excerpt:

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Findings Include:
(1) Review of the record of eighteen year-old Resident #1 on September 9, 2010 revealed that the
agency failed to obtain a criminal background check.
(2) E-mail correspondence with Staff DD on 09/16/2010 at 8:32 am revealed that there were 23
other residents who lived or had lived at the facility since January 1, 2010. Staff DD
acknowledged that criminal background checks had not been obtained on any of these residents.

R 0838 290-2-5-.08(5)(d)9. Recordkeeping. Personnel Records.
SS=D
[Written personnel records] records shall include the following: ...
9. Documentation of orientation and training, including dates of all such training, as required by Rule .08(6)(d) of
these rules; ...
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on review of personnel files and staff interview, the agency failed to document orientation
and training in eight of ten files reviewed;


This is typical in programs.  Example after example is exposed year after year.  These places are not changing or getting better.  They're the same as they always have been, as documented over more than thirty years.
Title: Re: Dangerous Residents, Untrained Staff
Post by: Whooter on November 03, 2010, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: "Watchful Yeoman"
Ridge Creek School ORS Report excerpt:

Quote
Findings Include:
(1) Review of the record of eighteen year-old Resident #1 on September 9, 2010 revealed that the
agency failed to obtain a criminal background check.
(2) E-mail correspondence with Staff DD on 09/16/2010 at 8:32 am revealed that there were 23
other residents who lived or had lived at the facility since January 1, 2010. Staff DD
acknowledged that criminal background checks had not been obtained on any of these residents.

R 0838 290-2-5-.08(5)(d)9. Recordkeeping. Personnel Records.
SS=D
[Written personnel records] records shall include the following: ...
9. Documentation of orientation and training, including dates of all such training, as required by Rule .08(6)(d) of
these rules; ...
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on review of personnel files and staff interview, the agency failed to document orientation
and training in eight of ten files reviewed;


This is typical in programs.  Example after example is exposed year after year.  These places are not changing or getting better.  They're the same as they always have been, as documented over more than thirty years.

This brings up a good point.  Programs are held to a higher standard then public schools in many areas, one being that students are required to go through background checks in programs, as Watchful Yeoman pointed out.  This may contribute to a lower incidence of abuse in programs as compared to Pubic schools making programs safer in this area.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Watchful Yeoman on November 03, 2010, 11:34:36 AM
The ORS stated that RCS failed to do the background checks in 24 of 24 cases.  I'm not certain that not doing background checks at all equates to "safer."  It seems to me to scream "dangerous!"

These programs are dangerous and deadly for this reason and many others.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 03, 2010, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: "Watchful Yeoman"
The ORS stated that RCS failed to do the background checks in 24 of 24 cases.  I'm not certain that not doing background checks at all equates to "safer."  It seems to me to scream "dangerous!"

These programs are dangerous and deadly for this reason and many others.

The background checks they failed to do were on the students (The staff and people who work at RCS were in compliance in this area).  There were 24 students who did not receive background checks.  When I was in highschool they never performed background checks on the students.

The ORS holds these programs to a higher standard than public schools which is good.  It lends itself to a higher standard of safety which may be why programs appear to be much safer (less reports of abuse) than public schools.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 03, 2010, 01:15:40 PM
Whatever abuse that happens in schools isn't because of the methods the schools use to teach.  The abuses that some from programs are BECAUSE of the very methods and techniques used.  Quit comparing apples to oranges.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 03, 2010, 02:51:40 PM
People, people, people.

All Whooter is trying to say is that public schools are far safer than programs. He's provided numerous examples on here how accountability and oversight in public schools (the same oversight and accountability that programs try to avoid) has lead to the removal and in some cases incarceration of dangerous employees.

If only the TTI would open itself up to accountability and oversight it might someday be as safe as public schools.

Thank you for highlighting how dangerous the TTI is Whooter.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 03, 2010, 04:03:13 PM
So what I see so far is that programs may do a better job at doing criminal background checks and that is why we are not seeing the level of reported activity of abuse by staff and teachers that we are seeing coming out of our public schools.

Anne Bonney  feels the abuse is embedded into the schools' methods rather than in the hired staff and teachers.

RobertBruce seems to feel that programs report less abuse because they dont have the oversight that the public school system does.

So there are many different opinions coming out of the same information stream.  I feel there is a little bit of truth in all of them but not one of them stands alone as the only factor in why Public schools are having all these problems with teachers abusing students and programs are not experiencing this level.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 03, 2010, 05:29:52 PM
I agree, the abuse that occurs in programs is far wose. I'm glad you're on the same page as us and are finally starting to see just how abusive and unsafe these programs are.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 03, 2010, 06:02:30 PM
November 3, 2010

A Lake Zurich High School drama teacher who resigned abruptly last week has been charged with having sexual relations with a student at the suburban school, police said.

Ronald D. Culver, 51, of Inverness, was charged Monday with aggravated criminal sexual abuse, a Class 2 felony. He posted $10,000 bail and was released.

Culver, who also taught public speaking, quit Friday after the allegations against him were made the day before, officials said.

"This was an individual placed in a position of trust, and he violated that trust," Lake Zurich Police Chief Pat Finlon said.

District 95 Supt. Mike Egan described the mood at Lake Zurich High School as one of "shock" and disbelief. "It's a sad day within the high school," he said.

The alleged contact is still under investigation, and so far, officials are only aware of the one allegation.

The sexual abuse charge was upgraded to "aggravated" because the alleged contact took place on school property and Culver held a position of authority, officials said.

Culver is scheduled for a preliminary hearing in Lake County Court on Nov. 18. If convicted, he faces up to seven years in prison and a fine of up to $25,000.

Link (http://http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/2859486,CST-NWS-teacher03.article)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Gonzotherapy on November 03, 2010, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
So what I see so far is that programs may do a better job at doing criminal background checks and that is why we are not seeing the level of reported activity of abuse by staff and teachers that we are seeing coming out of our public schools..


I am not sure that is entirely accurate. The report stated that residents who were over 18 did not have sufficient background checks. Many of these programs have staff that live onsite for several days at a time. In my program some staff would live onsite for over a week or two at a time. I think resident could certainly mean staff. If the background checks were on 18 year old students, usually someone who was 18 and still in a program was court ordered. Usually a court order meant they would have a criminal history. I guarantee you no matter what that background check said those students would be allowed to stay anyways. Programs don't refuse money.

Quote from: "Whooter"
Public schools are having all these problems with teachers abusing students and programs are not experiencing this level.

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Program abuse is far above and beyond any level I have seen in a public school. In my program if a student was deemed "out of control" they were manhandled/beaten into submission. Tied up, put in isolation, sometimes for days at a time with minimal food and water. And lets not forget the fact that programs have found the perfect market to pick their victims from. What do child molesters look for? The kids who are dejected, lonely, and quiet. Damn near every kid who gets sent to a program is feeling completely lost and abandoned. They get stuck in a strange place with abusive people in power over them and are completely cut off from the outside world. Sounds to me like a child abuser's wet dream. Why don't they get reported as much? I think there are way more allegations of program abuse than public school abuse. But program victims have nobody to report to except their abuser. And you will be punished if you are still in the program and you write home or complain in the program about the abuse. You don't move up in a program unless you agree to be abused and assist in abusing others. By the time you go home if you haven't been completely brainwashed, there is very little evidence to prove your case. Why is it that communication is completely cut off? They don't let you talk to your parents until you have sufficiently accepted their psychotic ways.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 03, 2010, 07:22:35 PM
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
I am not sure that is entirely accurate. The report stated that residents who were over 18 did not have sufficient background checks. Many of these programs have staff that live onsite for several days at a time. In my program some staff would live onsite for over a week or two at a time. I think resident could certainly mean staff. If the background checks were on 18 year old students, usually someone who was 18 and still in a program was court ordered. Usually a court order meant they would have a criminal history. I guarantee you no matter what that background check said those students would be allowed to stay anyways. Programs don't refuse money.

If you check the ORS' past reports you will see that they (ORS) differentiate between the students and staff.  Resident means the kids who are being treated.
There are many kids who turn 18 during their treatment and decide to stay until it is completed.  This mandatory background check of students does not occur in the public school system so the programs are held to h a higher standard.

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Program abuse is far above and beyond any level I have seen in a public school. In my program if a student was deemed "out of control" they were manhandled/beaten into submission. Tied up, put in isolation, sometimes for days at a time with minimal food and water. And lets not forget the fact that programs have found the perfect market to pick their victims from.

Those days are long gone, Gonzotherapy, programs today don’t operate like that.


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What do child molesters look for? The kids who are dejected, lonely, and quiet. Damn near every kid who gets sent to a program is feeling completely lost and abandoned. They get stuck in a strange place with abusive people in power over them and are completely cut off from the outside world. Sounds to me like a child abuser's wet dream.

Actually it is much harder to abuse a child in a program because of the structure and oversight which they have.  These kids are accounted for 24/7.  Kids in public school are out all hours of the night and after school with zero oversight (sometimes for days at a time).

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Why don't they get reported as much? I think there are way more allegations of program abuse than public school abuse. But program victims have nobody to report to except their abuser. And you will be punished if you are still in the program and you write home or complain in the program about the abuse. You don't move up in a program unless you agree to be abused and assist in abusing others. By the time you go home if you haven't been completely brainwashed, there is very little evidence to prove your case. Why is it that communication is completely cut off? They don't let you talk to your parents until you have sufficiently accepted their psychotic ways.

The programs I am familiar with allow phone calls to their parents (un monitored) and they can pretty much write letters home from day one.  So if any abuse occurred the parents would know about it.
The other conduit of communication is the child’s therapist.  Many of these therapists now are not affiliated with the program and work independently.  They communicate with the child’s therapist at home.  So if a child was abused (even slightly) the authorities would be notified immediately.

I am not trying to slam you Gonzotherapy, but I think you perspective comes from a place that is not occurring now a days and is obsolete.  It has been shut down and you don’t have any insight to what todays programs do or how they are run.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 03, 2010, 07:29:34 PM
Whooter could you list off some of these programs you're referring to? Based on your comments it sounds like some of them are really trying to become as safe as public schools are. They still have a long way to go, but it's good to see them making the effort. I'll look forward to your list.

Also I posted a question to you about some of your lies over on your TTi thread. I'm interested to hear what you have to say regarding that.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 03, 2010, 07:47:44 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Whooter could you list off some of these programs you're referring to? Based on your comments it sounds like some of them are really trying to become as safe as public schools are. They still have a long way to go, but it's good to see them making the effort. I'll look forward to your list.

Also I posted a question to you about some of your lies over on your TTi thread. I'm interested to hear what you have to say regarding that.

Bruce, your questions are off topic,  take it to the OFFA section.  I will not discuss any topics with you up here until you resolve your (our) issues.  Your posts show that you are obviously trolling for attention.  Lets resolve our differences in the offa, provide a link and we can discuss it.  After we have resolved our differences I would be glad to respond to you up here.  But this is not productive or fair to other readers.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 03, 2010, 08:29:31 PM
Well to be fair Whooter I told you my question regarding your lies was in your TTI thread. I'm not trolling anyone, I was simply letting you know there was an unanswered question waiting for you there. I did provide a link for you, but if you need it again please let me know.

As to this particular discussion, I was simply agreeing with you that public schools are safer than programs. I asked you for a list of the programs who have made those changes you lised earlier so we can all take a look at them as potential models for the industry. There was no attack intended.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 03, 2010, 08:36:32 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Well to be fair Whooter I told you my question regarding your lies was in your TTI thread. I'm not trolling anyone, I was simply letting you know there was an unanswered question waiting for you there. I did provide a link for you, but if you need it again please let me know.

As to this particular discussion, I was simply agreeing with you that public schools are safer than programs. I asked you for a list of the programs who have made those changes you lised earlier so we can all take a look at them as potential models for the industry. There was no attack intended.

I answered your question on the offa, go look.   I am willing to have a civil discussion with you, Bruce, once you get past the problem you have with my past posts.  Until that time we will keep it in the Offa.  As far as this topic goes you are free to debate someone else, but I will not answer you here on this thread.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 03, 2010, 08:47:45 PM
I found your post in offa, I appreciate your response.

I'm not entirely sure why you're unwilling to respond to comments regarding public schools being safer in a thread dedicated to that topic. I'm interested to see the list of programs you claim have made positive changes. Why are you viewing that as an attack?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 03, 2010, 09:24:42 PM
November 3, 2010

A Marysville School District teacher's aide has been arrested after being accused of having a sexual relationship with a special needs student she had known for years.

Yuba Gardens School employee Elizabeth Wallis, 35, has known the alleged 17-year-old victim since he was in the eighth grade but only initiated the inappropriate relationship in the past two months, according to investigators.

The alleged acts took place off campus, authorities said.

The victim's mother, who is not being identified to protect the alleged victim, expressed outrage after learning of the accusations.

"How dare that woman do that to my child?" she said. "He's an ED student, she's a teacher's aide, she knows better."

The Marysville School District has been notified of Wallis' arrest.

Wallis is being charged with unlawful intercourse with a minor and other charges.



Link (http://http://cbs13.com/local/olivehurst.arrest.yuba.2.1995325.html)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 03, 2010, 10:22:00 PM
So Whooter you aren't able to provide that list then?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 04, 2010, 10:09:08 AM
Whatever abuse that happens in schools isn't because of the methods the schools use to teach. The abuses that some from programs are BECAUSE of the very methods and techniques used. Quit comparing apples to oranges.

This is nothing more than another one if his distractions from the abuses that the TTI causes BECAUSE of their methods.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 04, 2010, 03:08:26 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Whatever abuse that happens in schools isn't because of the methods the schools use to teach. The abuses that some from programs are BECAUSE of the very methods and techniques used. Quit comparing apples to oranges.

This is nothing more than another one if his distractions from the abuses that the TTI causes BECAUSE of their methods.

I think this may be true at straight, Anne, but todays programs are not about abusive methods.  There may be a few programs that utilize abusive methods which are still treading water but for the most part kids are not getting abused.  



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 04, 2010, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Whatever abuse that happens in schools isn't because of the methods the schools use to teach. The abuses that some from programs are BECAUSE of the very methods and techniques used. Quit comparing apples to oranges.

This is nothing more than another one if his distractions from the abuses that the TTI causes BECAUSE of their methods.

I think this may be true at straight, Anne, but todays programs are not about abusive methods.  There may be a few programs that utilize abusive methods which are still treading water but for the most part kids are not getting abused.  


Most programs utilize some form of LGAT or confrontation 'therapy'.  THAT in itself is abusive to use on children.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 04, 2010, 03:29:35 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Whatever abuse that happens in schools isn't because of the methods the schools use to teach. The abuses that some from programs are BECAUSE of the very methods and techniques used. Quit comparing apples to oranges.

This is nothing more than another one if his distractions from the abuses that the TTI causes BECAUSE of their methods.

I think this may be true at straight, Anne, but todays programs are not about abusive methods.  There may be a few programs that utilize abusive methods which are still treading water but for the most part kids are not getting abused.  


Most programs utilize some form of LGAT or confrontation 'therapy'.  THAT in itself is abusive to use on children.

I disagree,  LGATs dont need to be abusive.  I know that they can be.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Shadyacres on November 04, 2010, 03:44:18 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Whatever abuse that happens in schools isn't because of the methods the schools use to teach. The abuses that some from programs are BECAUSE of the very methods and techniques used. Quit comparing apples to oranges.

This is nothing more than another one if his distractions from the abuses that the TTI causes BECAUSE of their methods.

I think this may be true at straight, Anne, but todays programs are not about abusive methods.  There may be a few programs that utilize abusive methods which are still treading water but for the most part kids are not getting abused.  


Most programs utilize some form of LGAT or confrontation 'therapy'.  THAT in itself is abusive to use on children.

I disagree,  LGATs dont need to be abusive.  I know that they can be.

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You are wrong.  Unlike the rest of us you have no experience with them and therefore your opinion on this matter means less than nothing.  LGAT's undermine the child's free will, which is disastrous to their ability to grow into a healthy adult.  How many times are you going to make this valueless argument?    :wall:


 :twofinger: Get a life, Whooter! :twofinger:
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 04, 2010, 04:44:52 PM
Quote from: "Shadyacres"


You are wrong.  Unlike the rest of us you have no experience with them and therefore your opinion on this matter means less than nothing.  LGAT's undermine the child's free will, which is disastrous to their ability to grow into a healthy adult.  How many times are you going to make this valueless argument?  

Again (and I have pointed this out to you before) you are confusing your personal experience with those of others.  Behavior Modification can be abusive or non abusive.  LGATs can be abusive or non abusive.  If you experienced an abusive time in your program it doesn’t mean everyone does.   I am sure the kids who attended Columbine highschool during the time of the massacre feel their high school experience was an unsafe one, but it doesn’t mean that all highschools are this way or that all kids experience the same events.

You are only able to view the industry from your single experience,Shady, where I am able to see the larger picture and can see the good along with the bad.  Yes, I have read stories of kids who were abused, but I have also seen kids do extremely well.  You have only experienced negative stories so naturally you would not be aware of the total picture to make an informed decision on any of these topics with only partial information.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 04, 2010, 07:06:37 PM
Whooter we're all still waiting on you to provide that list of programs you claim have made those positive changes to bring them up to being as safe as public schools. What's the hold up?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Gonzotherapy on November 04, 2010, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"

Again (and I have pointed this out to you before) you are confusing your personal experience with those of others.  Behavior Modification can be abusive or non abusive.  LGATs can be abusive or non abusive.  If you experienced an abusive time in your program it doesn’t mean everyone does.   I am sure the kids who attended Columbine highschool during the time of the massacre feel their high school experience was an unsafe one, but it doesn’t mean that all highschools are this way or that all kids experience the same events.

You are only able to view the industry from your single experience,Shady, where I am able to see the larger picture and can see the good along with the bad.  Yes, I have read stories of kids who were abused, but I have also seen kids do extremely well.  You have only experienced negative stories so naturally you would not be aware of the total picture to make an informed decision on any of these topics with only partial information.

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Yes, Shady's experience, my experience, and a whole hell of alot of other people on here, all of us have similar abused experiences in a program. And we all have been in programs. Just curious Whooter, exactly where do you draw your experience as such a grand authority on programs? The only place I have ever seen a positive review for a program is on their websites, or their advertisements. I don't see an entire website dedicated to exposing programs for all the good they do, but I see many, many sites out there to expose how wrong and abusive they are.

If you are so for programs, I'll make you an offer. I will gladly give you the full program experience for the bargain price of 10 grand. Then you can come here and actually have some credibility when you talk about programs. Hell, I've staffed "Teen Help" seminars, I've got a closet and some duct tape, I will hook you up.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 12:43:20 PM
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
Yes, Shady's experience, my experience, and a whole hell of alot of other people on here, all of us have similar abused experiences in a program. And we all have been in programs. Just curious Whooter, exactly where do you draw your experience as such a grand authority on programs? The only place I have ever seen a positive review for a program is on their websites, or their advertisements. I don't see an entire website dedicated to exposing programs for all the good they do, but I see many, many sites out there to expose how wrong and abusive they are.

One of the problems may be that you are not looking for them.  Many of the graduates have setup alumni forums and facebook discussions where they can get in touch with those people who they graduated with.  There are many of these created.


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If you are so for programs, I'll make you an offer. I will gladly give you the full program experience for the bargain price of 10 grand. Then you can come here and actually have some credibility when you talk about programs. Hell, I've staffed "Teen Help" seminars, I've got a closet and some duct tape, I will hook you up.

Ha,Ha,Ha you must be referring to the guy who said he was wrapped from head to toe in duct tape and thrown into the ocean during a typhoon.  I don’t remember if he used the words Gulag, brainwashing  or kidnapping or not, but it was a classic story.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Shadyacres on November 05, 2010, 01:12:24 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
Yes, Shady's experience, my experience, and a whole hell of alot of other people on here, all of us have similar abused experiences in a program. And we all have been in programs. Just curious Whooter, exactly where do you draw your experience as such a grand authority on programs? The only place I have ever seen a positive review for a program is on their websites, or their advertisements. I don't see an entire website dedicated to exposing programs for all the good they do, but I see many, many sites out there to expose how wrong and abusive they are.

One of the problems may be that you are not looking for them.  Many of the graduates have setup alumni forums and facebook discussions where they can get in touch with those people who they graduated with.  

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Hah!  Ever tried to browse one of those?  Most of them are closed, they won't let you in unless they know you.  That really doesn't fit the criteria ; " dedicated to exposing programs for all the good they do".  On the contrary, it tends to support our position that these places are extremely cult like and secretive.  What are they trying to hide?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 01:34:28 PM
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
Hah! Ever tried to browse one of those? Most of them are closed, they won't let you in unless they know you. That really doesn't fit the criteria ; " dedicated to exposing programs for all the good they do".

There are many people who are threatened by their success stories and camaraderie and storm the forum with the intention to disrupt them…  Hmmmm  I am sure you are thinking: “Who would ever do something like that”?

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On the contrary, it tends to support our position that these places are extremely cult like and secretive. What are they trying to hide?

Then I guess my highschool was a cult too because their alumni forum is closed also… whoooooo  very secretive and cult like.  That qualifies me for survivor status?  Lol

Can I start telling people that I was sent to a gulag and brainwashed?



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 05, 2010, 01:41:53 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
Hah! Ever tried to browse one of those? Most of them are closed, they won't let you in unless they know you. That really doesn't fit the criteria ; " dedicated to exposing programs for all the good they do".

There are many people who are threatened by their success stories and camaraderie and storm the forum with the intention to disrupt them…  Hmmmm  I am sure you are thinking: “Who would ever do something like that”?

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On the contrary, it tends to support our position that these places are extremely cult like and secretive. What are they trying to hide?

Then I guess my highschool was a cult too because their alumni forum is closed also… whoooooo  very secretive and cult like.  That qualifies me for survivor status?  Lol

Can I start telling people that I was sent to a gulag and brainwashed?


Oh just stop it!  You know damn well that they don't let ANY dissenting opinions thru.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"


Oh just stop it!  You know damn well that they don't let ANY dissenting opinions thru.
Sure they do!  Most of us have read these forums back when they were open to everyone.  They argue all the time on what was good about the program and what was bad.  What they dont allow (like my highschool forum) are people from other programs (highschools) coming in telling them that they are brainwashed and using foul language etc.  You do this yourself, Anne,  you jump in and say "That sounds like my time at Straight!"  and then call the program abusive and a cult.  People get tired of hearing it after awhile and would like to discuss their experience with people who have attended it (not people who dont know what they are talking about).  So they had to end up closing it to alumni only.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Gonzotherapy on November 05, 2010, 03:40:38 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"

Public schools are having all these problems with teachers abusing students and programs are not experiencing this level.



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Some information regarding abuse.
http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/paradisecove/ ... 03.02.html (http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/paradisecove/high-impact.01.03.02.html)

Some information alleging that WWASPS operates programs and lies about their affiliation.
http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/emancip ... awsuit.htm (http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/emancipation/problems/intimidation/lawsuit.htm)
"Although the St. George, Utah businessmen, Robert Lichfield, Karr Farnsworth, and Ken Kay, claim High Impact was not affiliated with WWASP, former employees and parents testified otherwise. Employees said they were told not to reveal the program’s affiliation with WWASP. One former employee testified she had personally traveled to High Impact with current WWASP President, Ken Kay, who solicited her silence."

This one is very interesting.
http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/carolina/caro ... 06.03.html (http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/carolina/carolina.springs.07.06.03.html)
"Clinical psychologist Roderick Hall has spoken with five former students of the corporation's facilities and says these programs do more harm than good.
"The people I have talked to have post traumatic stress disorder and there's no question about it," he said. This is often referred to as shell-shock. "I have one kid who e-mails me who is in college and still has nightmares.""

Quote from: "Whooter"

Those days are long gone, Gonzotherapy, programs today don’t operate like that.

I am not trying to slam you Gonzotherapy, but I think you perspective comes from a place that is not occurring now a days and is obsolete.  It has been shut down and you don’t have any insight to what todays programs do or how they are run.

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The WWASPS name is all that is disappearing. If you take the time to read through some of the articles on these sites, you will find that is the only thing that is on the way out. Same people, same programs, same abuse, different names.

And of course I don't mean you Whooter. You are obviously well aware of all of this information. If you choose to pick this post apart, please site some evidence to back up your claims.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 03:57:20 PM
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
Quote from: "Whooter"

Public schools are having all these problems with teachers abusing students and programs are not experiencing this level.



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Some information regarding abuse.
http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/paradisecove/ ... 03.02.html (http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/paradisecove/high-impact.01.03.02.html)

Some information alleging that WWASPS operates programs and lies about their affiliation.
http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/emancip ... awsuit.htm (http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/emancipation/problems/intimidation/lawsuit.htm)
"Although the St. George, Utah businessmen, Robert Lichfield, Karr Farnsworth, and Ken Kay, claim High Impact was not affiliated with WWASP, former employees and parents testified otherwise. Employees said they were told not to reveal the program’s affiliation with WWASP. One former employee testified she had personally traveled to High Impact with current WWASP President, Ken Kay, who solicited her silence."

This one is very interesting.
http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/carolina/caro ... 06.03.html (http://www.wwaspsinfo.net/carolina/carolina.springs.07.06.03.html)
"Clinical psychologist Roderick Hall has spoken with five former students of the corporation's facilities and says these programs do more harm than good.
"The people I have talked to have post traumatic stress disorder and there's no question about it," he said. This is often referred to as shell-shock. "I have one kid who e-mails me who is in college and still has nightmares.""

Quote from: "Whooter"

Those days are long gone, Gonzotherapy, programs today don’t operate like that.

I am not trying to slam you Gonzotherapy, but I think you perspective comes from a place that is not occurring now a days and is obsolete.  It has been shut down and you don’t have any insight to what todays programs do or how they are run.

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The WWASPS name is all that is disappearing. If you take the time to read through some of the articles on these sites, you will find that is the only thing that is on the way out. Same people, same programs, same abuse, different names.

And of course I don't mean you Whooter. You are obviously well aware of all of this information. If you choose to pick this post apart, please site some evidence to back up your claims.

Gonzotherapy, I am not going to pick it apart, your links stand on their own.  You are speaking to one small segment of the industry which is getting smaller.  If you speak to any of these kids who are getting out today (non-WWASP) you would see that the places are vastly different.  Like Anne Bonney, your perspective comes from a different environment and culture then we are seeing today.

Programs are just not experiencing the level of abuse that our public school systems are having based on the number problems reported each day.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Gonzotherapy on November 05, 2010, 04:16:47 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"

Programs are just not experiencing the level of abuse that our public school systems are having based on the number problems reported each day.


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This is an incredibly misleading statement. Yes there may be more reported instances in public schools, who have about 56,000,000 kids enrolled this year. There are very limited records and I have no way of knowing how many kids are enrolled in programs. But I guarantee you it is nowhere near that amount, probably somewhere between 10 and 30,000. The percentages and ratios are the numbers that matter in this argument, until you can provide some proof that the ratio of abuse reports is higher in public schools compared to programs, your argument is a joke and clearly an attempt to provide people with misleading information.

I personally saw more abuse in ONE program than all of the reports you have stated here.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 04:26:05 PM
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
Quote from: "Whooter"

Programs are just not experiencing the level of abuse that our public school systems are having based on the number problems reported each day.


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This is an incredibly misleading statement. Yes there may be more reported instances in public schools, who have about 56,000,000 kids enrolled this year. There are very limited records and I have no way of knowing how many kids are enrolled in programs. But I guarantee you it is nowhere near that amount, probably somewhere between 10 and 30,000. The percentages and ratios are the numbers that matter in this argument, until you can provide some proof that the ratio of abuse reports is higher in public schools compared to programs, your argument is a joke and clearly an attempt to provide people with misleading information.

I personally saw more abuse in ONE program than all of the reports you have stated here.

..and people who went to straight saw more than you did.  There was a recent poster who spent 4 years in Aspen Programs and didnt see any abuse.  So it is tough to get a level of the water based on a few posters here on fornits.

I am looking at the overwhelming number of reports coming out of our public school system compared to not any coming out of these programs on a daily weekly or monthly bases.  When was the last report we saw about a child having sex with their teacher in a program?  We dont have the ratios so we dont have exact numbers but the sheer volume is overwhelming.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 04:39:40 PM
November 4, 2010

A substitute teacher admitted to police that she performed oral sex on a 17-year-old Oakridge High School student earlier this year, but she isn’t being prosecuted because authorities have been unable to corroborate her confession with any other evidence, Lane County District Attorney Alex Gardner said.

The 40-year-old woman told Oakridge Deputy Police Chief Dale Scobert during a Sept. 30 interview that the illegal act occurred last spring at the male student’s home, a police report released this week shows.

The woman, who is married, told Scobert that she agreed to engage in sexual contact with the teen after they exchanged several suggestive and sexual text messages, the report states.

When asked why she did it, the woman told Scobert that the student “had been very persistent during numerous texts asking for it, and if she gave in she hoped he would stop asking and it all would be over,” the report states.

Scobert interviewed the student three days later. The teen denied ever having any physical contact with the teacher, although he did acknowledge exchanging text messages with the woman that were “flirty” but “nothing serious,” the report states.

He also admitted to Scobert that he fueled rumors of his alleged relationship with the teacher by telling his friends that they had engaged in sexual acts, the report states.

Absent some other witness statement or physical evidence that corroborates the teacher’s admission, prosecutors say they cannot charge the woman with a crime.

“Regardless of what we think of the case, as a matter of law, we can’t proceed,” Gardner said. “Everybody finds that frustrating, but the law specifically requires there be more than a confession.”

Oregon law allows a confession alone to serve as sufficient proof only under very rare circumstances. Otherwise, prosecutors are required to have additional, corroborating evidence before charging someone with a crime.

Gardner said many states have similar laws. One reason why evidence supporting a confession is required to gain a conviction in court is that people sometimes confess to crimes they did not do, Gardner said.

Lane County prosecutors would be willing to re-evaluate the Oakridge case if police develop additional evidence, Gardner said.

Oakridge schools Superintendent Dr. Don Kordosky said the teacher, who as a substitute has been an “at-will” employee who does not have an employment contract with the district, will no longer work in Oakridge schools.

“If it’s going to cause a disruption, we don’t want (a substitute teacher) back,” Kordosky said.

He added that while discussion at the high school regarding the student’s alleged fling with the teacher “has caused very little disruption,” many adults in the community have expressed concern about the situation.

The teacher has worked as a substitute at several Oakridge schools for at least five years, Kordosky said.

The Register-Guard will not identify the woman unless she is charged with a crime. She could not be reached Wednesday by telephone.


Link (http://http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/cityregion/25491825-41/teacher-oakridge-student-woman-police.csp)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Gonzotherapy on November 05, 2010, 04:48:14 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"

..and people who went to straight saw more than you did.  There was a recent poster who spent 4 years in Aspen Programs and didnt see any abuse.  So it is tough to get a level of the water based on a few posters here on fornits.

I am looking at the overwhelming number of reports coming out of our public school system compared to not any coming out of these programs on a daily weekly or monthly bases.  When was the last report we saw about a child having sex with their teacher in a program?  We dont have the ratios so we dont have exact numbers but the sheer volume is overwhelming.

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Once again, programs cut off all communication with the outside world. How are kids supposed to report abuse? As far as the poster who spent 4 years in the program, give him a few more years to shake off the brain washing. I didn't say anything bad about programs for almost 8 years.

As far as allegations of sexual abuse, here is a pro-program document admitting to just that.
Quote from: "Troll Control"
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THE CRISIS BEFORE US

What Happened In Samoa?

By: Thomas J. Croke,
Publisher

Because of the sensitivity of the information in front of us, we are not reporting everything we know or believe to be true regarding the account below. We are certainly not reporting everything we have been told. We will update on the web site as we can confirm or refute some of the issues that remain unresolved.

Several years ago, the owners and founders of Cross Creek Manor established a boys' version of their program in Samoa ? Paradise Cove. A few years later, another group, also from Utah, known as A Better Way, llc., started the program known variously as Robert Louis Stevenson Youth Academy, A Better Way Youth Academy, and Mole Ole Ava. One of the principals in this group was Sterling Deveraux, a man I had known, respected and trusted since his days as a therapist at Heritage Center when I marketed there, and again at the Western Youth Network (now part of YSI). Based upon that knowledge and trust, I was the referral person behind the enrollment of their very first student, a young lady who has done extraordinarily well, and swears by the program. Very recently, another program, New Hope, was organized, then disintegrated. According to published reports and multiple sources in communication with us, some of New Hope's students were literally abandoned in the village when that program closed.

The Samoa Story begins with the group of people who have banded together, mostly on the Internet, to attempt to shut down either the Teen Help affiliated programs or the entire industry. (See ?The Crisis Before Us?, page 3.) Perhaps it starts before that, but that is when, where and how Bridge to Understanding became aware of it. A semi-organized group of people was collaborating on the Internet, some to attempt to shut down the entire industry; some to shut down the Teen Help programs in particular.

Another group, which we believe was unconnected with those described in the above paragraph, made up primarily (probably exclusively) of the parents of the young people at New Hope in Samoa, kept in touch with each other via Internet. As a result, as soon as alleged abuses were known, the word spread quickly, to the other parents. Defections followed rapidly. We assume that the drop in enrollment this caused may have dissipated the assets of the New Hope organization, leading to its demise. Published reports and direct statements to us from multiple sources say that some students were simply abandoned. According to similar reports, at the request of U.S. Chargé d'affaires William Warren, both A Better Way and Paradise Cove absorbed some of these, and others were sent home with the assistance of Mr. Warren and Tom Mockett.

The impact of the new students at A Better Way either caused or contributed to a decline in morale at A Better Way. On that, everyone, including the management of A Better Way agrees. Several other events at A Better Way also led to problems. Seemingly with agreement all around, the classroom program carried out in cooperation with the correspondence curriculum from Brigham Young University was not working as efficiently as might have been hoped, and there were some protests from parent regarding that just at the time these events were developing. A fire damaged the building facilities on the older of the two campuses. A Better Way management acknowledges some communication problems. A very charismatic Samoan staff member who was greatly beloved by the students at A Better Way and seen as a father figure by many was let go. We are not at liberty to disclose as many details as we have in our possession, but we are satisfied that this action was not undertaken frivolously. We also believe that this staff member reacted in anger to undermine the program. We have been advised by A Better Way management that the dispute has now been resolved, and others tell us this man is now back on staff.

Another event at the same time was the loss of therapist Jeff Scott, and program director Adrian Faust, just about the time Sterling Deveraux relocated to live in Samoa and take over direction of the program. The issues with Jeff and Adrian seem to be primarily that both parents and students were on overload with change. Both Jeff and Adrian had their followings, but change itself seems more an issue than the particulars of their personalities.

Over this time, and beginning prior to the introduction of the students from New Hope, some of our own parent clients were beginning to complain loudly and energetically about the manner in which they and their offspring were being handled by the program. We could not conclusively establish what went on, but we were alarmed by two A Better Way parents, in very close sequence with each other, coming into sufficient conflict to pull their young people out of the program, following what was in each case their second visit to the island. Both reported deterioration in the functioning of the program between visits, and reported very angry confrontations with program owner / managers.

By February we had our fourth report, confirmed by A Better Way management of possible inappropriate sexual contact between staff and students we had referred (when I use ?confirmed? and ?possible? in the same sentence, I mean that the management was taking the reports seriously, but in at least one case and perhaps three of the four, had some doubt about the allegation).

The first two reports had involved the night staff and we believed had been addressed properly, with respect to the victims, their parents, us as referral source and the alleged perpetrator. Of particular significance, I understood that a procedural change had been put into place to prevent similar incidents. I came back from my April, 1997 visit to Samoa understanding that female students would always sleep behind locked doors when only the all male security staff was on duty. Samoan custom does not permit Samoan women to work overnight without taking on a moral stigma, and A Better Way was limited in the number of Americans they could bring in on work visas. This made it difficult to put female staff on duty overnight. I was uncomfortable with the young women being exposed to a minimally trained all male staff in this manner, but believed the problem to be solved. I later learned (see below) that ?policy? was not maintained.
The third report of staff crossing sexual boundaries was strongly substantiated, and fit no recognizable pattern, as it involved a female staff member. The fourth was recent, and again involved the Samoan security staff. All of these involved students I had referred.

Beginning about February, we began to pick up completely unattributed and unsubstantiated allegations of sexual impropriety at A Better Way on the Internet. Our contacts in the ?opposition? group were quick to let us know they were not responsible and to attribute the source to their opposition in the pro-Teen Help group. They also made a point of not confirming the accuracy of the story, although they repeated their opposition to all offshore programs. The storm really broke for us when we began to receive phone calls and email messages from one educational consultant and several parents who were NOT our clients expressing concern about what was happening at A Better Way in Samoa. We initially doubted these stories because the two parents who had pulled their kids under very angry conditions did not support the particular issues raised. I had several conversations with owner Rodney Rice who vehemently denied most of what was being added by the latest group of protestors. He also denied the reports of the two angry parents who were our clients, although he acknowledged the four sexual incidents referred to above as being at least worthy of serious attention even if not conclusively proven. For purposes of determining procedure, they were assuming them to be true. Nevertheless, in the course of these conversations, I learned that A Better Way had not maintained what I had understood to be its policy of allowing females to sleep behind locked doors and its management denied ever having told me that. They confirmed that students at the ?basement? level had been required to sleep in an open fale (Samoan word for house or hut, pronounced ?FAH lee?), and strongly defended the propriety of that, implying that the policy would continue. I do not suggest that the managers are lying. The assurances I was given on this occurred during my visit in April, 1997, after which there has been almost 100% turnover in staff. David Smyth, one of the owner managers was present for part of this discussion, but I do not know the degree to which he was paying attention. The therapist, at the time, clearly participated in the discussion, and it was primarily he who provided the assurances, but he left the program only a few months later.

As the intensity of the matter escalated, I began to contact other IECA member consultants to gain other perspectives. Except for the one who had initiated a call to me, all reported very positive impressions, including one of great excellence with therapeutic programs, who had just visited in December. However, there was at least one additional story of crossing sexual boundaries from a consultant who believed that was the only case that had ever occurred. If that consultant, who had strongly positive regard for the program, was talking about an actual confirmed case, the total was now five.

Since the downsizing, there has been a rash of allegations of sexual abuse beyond the ones noted above, but referring to a time period before the downsizing. The common element in those complaints is the Samoan night security staff. We can neither substantiate nor refute those allegations.

There have been reports of drugs on campus. Management acknowledges that has occurred. With respect to both drug use and inappropriate sex, management gives a very different description from what some former students are saying. We all know students in behavioral change programs frequently accuse the programs of all kinds of things in order to get out, and that allegations from those sources need to be examined closely. But allegations specifically of sexual abuse can never be ignored. Programs that expect the kids to allege untrue things are in a difficult spot when that happens unless there are witnesses. That is why all staff-student behaviors under these conditions should be witnessed. That is for the protection of both staff and students.

As of this point, A Better Way has downsized, removing many of its negative students. A Better Way has issued two strongly worded letters reassuring parents and referral sources that all is now under control. We have offered to put them up on the Internet, and would like to publish excerpts here, but they will not give us permission to do that at this time. They suggest they might do so later. We will definitely give them space on the Internet for that purpose. They are accepting no female intakes and will transition remaining females out. They have pledged to keep awake female night staff on duty while females remain.

Many parents and other educational consultants, with whom we speak, give rave reviews on this program. Even our parents, who pulled their offspring in anger, confirm that their son/daughter made gains they would not have made any other way. ?Parents Corner - LifeSaver? is another sample tribute by a mother of how a program helped bring her son back to her and their family.

Although we have been less positive in the past about Paradise Cove in particular and the Teen Help programs in general than we have been with respect to A Better Way, we can absolutely confirm that those programs, too, have been lifesavers for many parents.

As I get the opportunity really to understand the volumes of material before me on this topic which I have not yet fully absorbed, I will probably say more on the Internet, and later maybe in print. Maybe by that time concern will have died down. I understand a person of great credibility will be going to Samoa soon to review the program. I hope he is in a position to publish a strong affirmation. This program is too valuable to lose. But we can't afford a repeat of some of the recent past history.

Sounds fishy.  The Ed Con admits sexual abuse and kids forced to sleep outside, but then calls the program "a life saver."  Fishy.

Also it seems to be the typical "level" sysytem and behavior modification used by most abusive facilities.  They didn't name a single teacher or therapist on their website.  The above article describes a "100% turnover" of staff.

Lots of red flags here.  I'm going to keep looking.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 05:03:13 PM
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
Quote from: "Whooter"

..and people who went to straight saw more than you did.  There was a recent poster who spent 4 years in Aspen Programs and didnt see any abuse.  So it is tough to get a level of the water based on a few posters here on fornits.

I am looking at the overwhelming number of reports coming out of our public school system compared to not any coming out of these programs on a daily weekly or monthly bases.  When was the last report we saw about a child having sex with their teacher in a program?  We dont have the ratios so we dont have exact numbers but the sheer volume is overwhelming.

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Once again, programs cut off all communication with the outside world. How are kids supposed to report abuse? As far as the poster who spent 4 years in the program, give him a few more years to shake off the brain washing. I didn't say anything bad about programs for almost 8 years.

The older programs cut off communication to the outside world.  Now you can pretty much start to write home right away and phone your parents within a few weeks.
You are not familiar with Aspen or programs today, I am.  You cannot discredit the childs report because of brainwashing and toss it aside, Gonzotherapy, its real and credible.  There is no evidence of brainwashing occurring.
As far as your report I believe those events occurred decades ago in a program which has since closed.  Am I correct on this?  

No disrespect, Gonzo, but your information is very dated and is sourced form a program which was closed because of the abuse which was occurring.  It would not be accurate if I kept showing pictures of columbine Highschool and saying schools are dangerous and there is a good chance you will die.  Do you see what I mean?
Abuse just isnt occurring in programs like it is in our public school system.  This is mainly due to the reasons I described earlier.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Gonzotherapy on November 05, 2010, 05:30:01 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"

The older programs cut off communication to the outside world.  Now you can pretty much start to write home right away...
And your mail is read and if you report abuse your parents will be lied to and manipulated, and you will be dropped if you have moved up in the program at all.
Quote from: "Whooter"
and phone your parents within a few weeks. ...
You will not make a phone call until they are sure you will keep quiet and support the program.

Quote from: "Whooter"
You are not familiar with Aspen or programs today, I am....
And how exactly are you familiar?  

Quote from: "Whooter"
You cannot discredit the childs report because of brainwashing and toss it aside, Gonzotherapy, its real and credible.  There is no evidence of brainwashing occurring.
As far as your report I believe those events occurred decades ago in a program which has since closed.  Am I correct on this? ...
NO, you are not.

Quote from: "Whooter"
No disrespect, Gonzo, but your information is very dated and is sourced form a program which was closed because of the abuse which was occurring....
Also incorrect.

Quote from: "Whooter"
Abuse just isnt occurring in programs like it is in our public school system.  This is mainly do to the reasons I described earlier.



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This program is currently open, is a member of NATSAP, and your arguments are flat out wrong.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 05:51:50 PM
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
And your mail is read and if you report abuse your parents will be lied to and manipulated, and you will be dropped if you have moved up in the program at all.

You will not make a phone call until they are sure you will keep quiet and support the program.

Sorry, you are wrong here, Gonzo, and are speaking about another time and place.  Kids can write home right away without review of the mail.  The staff will require the students to open their packages in the presence of a staff person when they are received.  Phone calls home after a few weeks are un monitored.

If you look at the time lines of the posted items of concern from your previous post they run from 1990 thru 1997.
No disrespect, Gonzo,but the data supports public schools being much more abusive than programs.  Which if you think about it makes sense because kids in public schools have a ton of time which is not accounted for sometimes stretching for 24 hours in some house holds.  Programs have a high student/staff ratio and the kids time is so highly structured that there isn’t much available time for any shenanigans.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 06, 2010, 01:44:28 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
And your mail is read and if you report abuse your parents will be lied to and manipulated, and you will be dropped if you have moved up in the program at all.

You will not make a phone call until they are sure you will keep quiet and support the program.

Sorry, you are wrong here, Gonzo, and are speaking about another time and place.  Kids can write home right away without review of the mail.  The staff will require the students to open their packages in the presence of a staff person when they are received.  Phone calls home after a few weeks are un monitored.

If you look at the time lines of the posted items of concern from your previous post they run from 1990 thru 1997.
No disrespect, Gonzo,but the data supports public schools being much more abusive than programs.  Which if you think about it makes sense because kids in public schools have a ton of time which is not accounted for sometimes stretching for 24 hours in some house holds.  Programs have a high student/staff ratio and the kids time is so highly structured that there isn’t much available time for any shenanigans.



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No he's not wrong at all Whooter. Here you have yet another person saying the exact same thing about yet another program. These places are all the same, they all restrict communication, and they are all abusive. The fact that you cannot offer up a single program that has made changes in order to be as safe as public schools only further validates this point.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 06, 2010, 05:58:21 PM
November 6, 2010

A Bartlesville Mid-High School teacher is free on bond after being accused of having sex with a 16-year-old female student.

Jeffery Lee Wade, 47, faces a charge of forcible sodomy. During a hearing held Friday in Washington County District Court, the judge set his bond at $25,000 with a condition of no contact with the alleged victim or with an “unrelated minor females.”

Wade posted bond later that afternoon, according to Washington County Sheriff's Office officials.

Bartlesville Public Schools Community Relations Coordinator David Austin confirmed Wade indeed was a teacher at the Mid-High School. He has been at the district for seven years, four years of which he has been teaching at the Mid-High as a business teacher.

The district has no comment on the allegations currently but said it is working closely with the authorities about the matter and “will continue to do so in order to gain information and insight into the alleged incident.”

Austin said Wade will not be allowed on the school campus while the allegations are still under investigation.

According to the affidavit, at around 4:35 p.m. on Thursday, an investigator with the Washington County Sheriff's Office received a call from a deputy reporting he had seen Wade with a juvenile in the back seat of a pick-up truck just outside Bartlesvi1le city limits.

Reportedly the deputy was on patrol and saw an apparently unoccupied truck parked near the intersection of North 4000 Road and West 1900. On closer observation, he saw a man, identified as Wade, raise his head up from the rear passenger area and saw another individual as well “scooting up” in the rear seat.

Then approaching the vehicle, the deputy reportedly noticed Wade reaching down and pulling up his pants and saw his pants were unzipped. In the back, the deputy saw a 16-year-old female who later identified herself to officials as one of Wade's students at the Bartlesville Mid-High School.

The deputy asked Wade what he was doing to which he responded saying “Nothing, just talking.”

After both individuals had been transported to the Sheriff's Office, one deputy at the office overheard the 16-year-old tell her parents she had performed oral sex on Wade several times and was doing so when the deputy approached, said the report.

According to the affidavit, Wade told officials 16-year-old was a student in one of his classes. He said the two had talked “a lot” in the past and that day picked up the student at her house and drove “straight out there and parked and were talking, and that's it.”

Wade reportedly denied that the student had performed oral sex on him and later commented “that he knew how it looked and he should not have been there with his students.”

A search of the vehicle turned up a black and purple shirt, a pair of earrings and a condom, said the report.

Link (http://http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/state/Copy_of_bartlesville-teacher-under-investigation-for-alleged-sex-with-student1289070356016)
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 07, 2010, 07:54:50 AM
Once again Whooter shows that public schools are safer than programs. Because of transperancy and accountability we find out about things like this in public schools. Programs just attempt to sweep them under the rug, or deny them altogether.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 07, 2010, 08:08:37 AM
November 6, 2010

AN OXFORDSHIRE primary school teacher yesterday admitted abusing seven pupils.

The victims’ parents wept as the man, in his 50s, admitted 23 charges of sexually assaulting girls aged between seven and 11.

Oxford Crown Court was told yesterday that the teacher was working at a school in the county when he committed the offences between September 2007 and May this year.

His name and the name of the school cannot be published for legal reasons.

He also admitted a charge of making 18 indecent images of a child between March 2006 and May this year.

The man was remanded in custody to be sentenced on December 10.

Det Ch Insp Paul Gration said: “I’m relieved that the victims in this case have not been put through the ordeal of a full trial.

“This investigation has been difficult enough for them and I would like to thank them for their courage and bravery in coming forward and helping us. I hope that with time and support, they are able to find some closure on this matter.”


Link (http://http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/oxford/8621543.Teacher_admits_sex_abuse_of_pupils/)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Shadyacres on November 07, 2010, 08:12:56 AM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Once again Whooter shows that public schools are safer than programs. Because of transperancy and accountability we find out about things like this in public schools. Programs just attempt to sweep them under the rug, or deny them altogether.

 :tup:
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 07, 2010, 08:23:09 AM
November 3 ,2010

OLIVEHURST —
A Marysville Joint Unified School District employee has been arrested for allegedly having a sexual relationship with an underage student.

Yuba County Sheriff's detectives arrested 34-year-old Elizabeth Colleen Wallis of Linda, after the woman's relatives notified the department about an innappropriate relationship she was having with a 17-year-old former student.

Wallis is a teacher's assistant at Yuba Gardens Intermediate School, where authorities say she met the victim several years ago.

Wallis was booked into the Yuba County Jail on charges of unlawful sex with a minor and oral copulation.

Link (http://http://www.fox40.com/ktxl-news-marysvillesexaide,0,7328693.story)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 07, 2010, 08:26:42 AM
It's amazing what oversight and transperancy will do. Whooter do you think programs will ever embrace it in an effort to become as safe as public schools?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 07, 2010, 09:05:08 AM
A little more oversight and Transparency for you.  lol

November 6 , 2010



THE number of school employees under investigation over claims of sexual impropriety, grooming students and illicit affairs has tripled this year.

Documents obtained exclusively by The Sunday Telegraph reveal 117 allegations of sexual misconduct have been reported to the Department of Education and Training between January 1 and October 31 this year - up from the 46 complaints the department dealt with in 2009.

Deputy NSW Ombudsman Steve Kinmond said the rise in sexual misconduct claims was partly a result of teachers using email and Facebook to contact students out of the classroom and after hours.

Mr Kinmond said such direct access, which could lead to flirting, grooming and indecent image swapping, was "disturbing".

"We are alive to the role of technology in relation to these offences and it's a worrying trend in terms of the nature and regularity of the offences," he said.

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    * 70 complaints against school Perth Now, 11 Sep 2010
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    * Degrees 'dumbed down' for foreigners NEWS.com.au, 9 Jun 2010
    * 'Predatory' lesbian teacher banned Herald Sun, 26 Mar 2010
    * Sex-accused teachers slip through Courier Mail, 26 Oct 2009

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He issued a warning to staff who used the internet to groom students: they would be caught.

"Inappropriate use of electronic devices is becoming a disturbing trend, but it also leaves an evidence trail," he said.

"It's a potential area for obtaining evidence in an investigative challenge."

The NSW Ombudsman and the police Sex Crimes Squad have begun monitoring teachers' online accounts where there has been reason to suspect employees of grooming students.

This year, school employees, including teachers, principals, support staff and volunteers have been dismissed over inappropriate sexual conduct claims.

In one allegation, a teacher's aide displayed several images on his Facebook page of himself with male students drinking alcohol and lying together in bed.

There were nine allegations of inappropriate affairs between a teacher and a student, including one serious allegation in February this year where a casual teacher engaged in a sexual relationship with two male students.

In June this year, a school learning support officer allegedly showed students indecent images of herself on her mobile phone.

In March, a head teacher was dismissed after being found in possession of child pornography.

Although the Ombudsman's report has exposed serious cases of sexual misconduct in NSW schools, there are cases where students deliberately target a teacher out of spite, making up a claim of sexual misconduct.

"We must remember that some of these claims will be made up in spite which is why it is important that our teachers are properly represented legally and not left alone and hanging," said a spokesman for the NSW Teachers Federation, Gary Zadkovich.

Mr Zadkovich acknowledged the increasing number of complaints against staff.

"We support the Department in conducting a thorough investigation of these claims," Mr Zadkovich said.


Link (http://http://www.fox40.com/ktxl-news-marysvillesexaide,0,7328693.story)
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 07, 2010, 09:12:37 AM
I know Whooter, the oversight and transperancy that public schools embrace only leads to safer environments for kids in public schools. Your posts prove that public schools are safer, and I appreciate you finally accepting that.

My question to you is why don't programs embrace the same oversight in an effort to become as safe as public schools?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 07, 2010, 10:14:14 AM
More oversight in our Public school system.

October 21,2010

A junior high teacher had a yearlong sexual affair with a 13-year-old student and tried seducing two other students, a city investigator said Thursday.

Wayne Bartley, 46, allegedly met up with the female student at a Bronx motel, where they had a sexual relationship for 14 months when she was 13 and 14 years old. He met the girl when he taught her at IS 229 in the Bronx.

Bartley also allegedly convinced a student he taught at IS 392 in Brooklyn to send him nude photos of herself. According to the probe by Special Schools Investigator Richard Condon, Bartley allegedly gave yet another former student, from Brookyn’s KIPP AMP Academy Charter School, gifts and massaged her feet after a pedicure.

He most recently worked at KIPP, but was fired after the administration learned of the investigation, the New York Post reported.

The Bronx and Brooklyn district attorney’s offices are investigating.

Link (http://http://www.amny.com/urbanite-1.812039/teacher-accused-of-yearlong-sex-tryst-with-teen-ex-student-1.2389200)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 07, 2010, 10:15:02 AM
The question remains Whooter, why aren't programs embracing this oversight?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 07, 2010, 10:35:54 AM
Whatever programs are doing they should keep it up.  I dont think they want to model themselves after the public school system.  This is post number 108.



A former Rim school district teacher has been arrested in Arizona for allegedly molesting two male students more than 20 years ago, sheriff's officials said, amid indications that at least four other students may have been victimized.

Police in Lake Havasu City took Darrell Rupple, 65, into custody on Oct. 21 on a $1.25 million warrant issued by the San Bernardino County Superior Court, according to a sheriff's press release.

Sgt. Roberto Lomeli of the sheriff's department's Crimes Against Children Detail said Monday his department received a report on Aug. 25 from a law-enforcement agency in Orange County.

That agency, he said, had been contacted by one of the alleged victims, identified only as a 35-year-old man, who told officers Rupple had molested him on an unspecified number of occasions during the 1987-88 school year.

Lomeli said the alleged victim provided the name of another student Rupple allegedly molested during the 1990-91 school year. Sheriff's deputies contacted the victims and developed information leading to the warrant.

Link (http://http://www.mountain-news.com/articles/2010/10/28/news/news2.txt)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 07, 2010, 11:06:50 AM
Whooter did you not have an opinion on why programs avoid oversight and accountability?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Gonzotherapy on November 08, 2010, 05:40:58 PM
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Which if you think about it makes sense because kids in public schools have a ton of time which is not accounted for sometimes stretching for 24 hours in some house holds.  Programs have a high student/staff ratio and the kids time is so highly structured that there isn’t much available time for any shenanigans.



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So what you are saying is, if parents weren't such worthless POS's and took the time to be parents then public schools would be perfectly fine. Your argument here is not that public schools are unsafe it's that parents are not doing their jobs.

And no time for shenanigans other than the shenanigans the program staff inflict on the kids. Unsupervised by any qualified staff or therapists for periods of time exceeding a year or more, in many cases.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2010, 05:56:02 PM
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
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Which if you think about it makes sense because kids in public schools have a ton of time which is not accounted for sometimes stretching for 24 hours in some house holds.  Programs have a high student/staff ratio and the kids time is so highly structured that there isn’t much available time for any shenanigans.



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So what you are saying is, if parents weren't such worthless POS's and took the time to be parents then public schools would be perfectly fine. Your argument here is not that public schools are unsafe it's that parents are not doing their jobs.

Thats a good point, Gonzo,  if we had one parent staying at home I think it would close that gap of unsupervised time.  Then these teachers would not have the time to take these kids home or out to dark parking lots at night.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 08, 2010, 07:23:37 PM
Almost like if parents didn't ship their kids off to some abusive program to be parented by an unlicensed degenerate hack.


Whooter we're all still waiting to hear why programs avoid accountability. Only by embracing it can they hope to become as safe as public schools are.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2010, 08:04:58 PM
A former Chaffey High School music teacher convicted of having a sexual relationship with an underage student was sentenced Tuesday to nine months in jail.

Thomas Mazur, 52, was taken into custody at the conclusion of his sentencing hearing in West Valley Superior Court.

Deputy District Attorney Jason Anderson said Mazur, of Rancho Cucamonga, will serve his sentence as "straight time" in jail, rather than on weekends or through an alternate arrangement.

Mazur was charged with three felonies last year for allegedly having a relationship between April and December 2008 with a Ontario High School girl who was then 16.

According to police reports, Mazur met the girl through his role as director of the Chaffey Symphony Orchestra, which consists of students from Chaffey, Ontario, Montclair and Colony high schools.

Mazur pleaded no contest in September to a felony count of oral copulation with a minor. Two other felonies - sexual penetration by a foreign object, and attempted unlawful sexual intercourse - were dismissed as part of a plea agreement with prosecutors.

At his sentencing, Mazur was placed on probation for three years. If he completes probation without any violations, he can ask for his conviction to be reduced to a misdemeanor, according to documents contained in Mazur's court file that detail his plea agreement with prosecutors.

Link (http://http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_16501759)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 08, 2010, 08:54:03 PM
Whooter why do you keep avoiding the question? I understand you have a fiduciary interest in these programs, but your own evidence clearly shows that public schools are safer than these abusive programs.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2010, 10:17:00 PM
Another safe Public school

MILWAUKEE —
A Racine high school student filed a lawsuit Monday against a former math teacher accused of sexually abusing him, contending that the teacher took nude photos of him and uploaded them to an Internet-enabled computer.

Joseph Clazmer, 49, was charged in March with child enticement, possession of child pornography, possession of marijuana and possession of drug paraphernalia. He has pleaded not guilty.

In his lawsuit filed in federal court in Milwaukee, the 18-year-old student, referred to as "John Doe 18," claims Clazmer sexually abused him during and after school starting in February 2007, when Clazmer was his geometry teacher, and continuing through the fall of 2009. The plaintiff contends that Clazmer occasionally took him to his home.

The student report the alleged sexual assault in March. A criminal complaint said Clazmer paid the alleged victim in exchange for letting him sexually assault and take nude photos of him. In the criminal complaint, prosecutors say such photos were found on Clazmer's computer.
Link (http://http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-wi-racineteacherchar,0,5757081.story)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 08, 2010, 11:08:53 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
[b]Another safe Public school[/b]


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Finally you see the light. Now answer the question about accountability.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 09, 2010, 06:21:12 AM
Another safe Public School

DNA evidence may become central in the trial of a former aide accused of performing oral sex on a 15-year-old boy in a West Jordan Middle School classroom last year.

Andrea Billingsley, 31, is also accused of having sex with the same boy — and participating in sex acts with the boy’s 15-year-old friend — during an alleged rendezvous the three shared at a West Jordan park.

Billingsley’s trial began Monday in 3rd District Court and is expected to last four days. She is charged with two counts of first-degree felony forcible sodomy and three counts of forcible sexual abuse, and faces up to life in prison if convicted.

Prosecutors alleged Billingsley used her position as an aide who supervised an in-school suspension classroom to troll for a teenage boy with whom she could have a sexual relationship, while defense attorneys claimed Billingsley was set up by a student angry that Billingsley reported him to the school’s principal for misbehaving.

“This is a case about a woman who created an opportunity … to have a sexual relationship with two boys who are half her age,” said prosecutor Peter Leavitt during the trial’s opening arguments.

He described allegations against Billingsley, who a 15-year-old boy claims approached him in a classroom on Oct. 27, 2009, as another student in detention slept at a desk nearby.

Billingsley set her cell phone on the victim’s desk and shared a photo of her nude breasts with the boy, Leavitt said.

“She asked him, ‘Is this what you’re looking for?’ ” Leavitt said, describing how Billingsley propositioned the boy. Billingsley then started rubbing the boy’s body through his clothes, put her hand down his pants and proceeded to perform oral sex on the student, Leavitt said.

Link (http://http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50634620-76/billingsley-leavitt-sex-jordan.html.csp)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 09, 2010, 10:54:36 PM
Another safe public school? Man these places are everywhere. Too bad no one can seem to provide a link for a safe program. Then again, it's got to be tough when none exist.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 21, 2010, 11:47:08 AM
November 19, 2010


Jennifer Riojas, a Fort Worth teacher accused of having sex with a 16-year-old student, may be pregnant with the teen's child, according to one report.

Police took Riojas into custody on Wednesday. The 25-year-old taught 9th grade science at Carter-Riverside High School before resigning last month.

The student told police their encounters took place in motels around North Richland Hills and once even in a hospital bed, where the student was recovering from a football injury, reports CBS affiliate KTVT.

According to local station WFAA, investigators said the teenage victim came forward last month because he feared he could be the father of Riojas' unborn child. The baby's paternity has not been established.

The warrant alleges that Riojas drove the sophomore student to "different hotels located by N.E. Mall in the Mid-Cities" for the purpose of having sexual intercourse in December and January.

Students who knew both the teacher and the alleged victim told KTVT that they noticed the pair spending an unusual amount of time together.

"In my last year of class he would walk in and talk to her a lot," former student Micheal Webb told the station. "I never really knew anything was going on though at all."

A police affidavit says the teacher attended the boy's athletic events, and they would spend time together during lunch period.

Riojas is charged with sexual assault of a child. Bond was set at $20,000.

Link (http://http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20023380-504083.html)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2010, 02:08:44 PM
More and more evidence brought to light about how oversite and accountability are good things. What I can't understand is why TTI avoids it so much. I'm still interested on hearing your thoughts on that question Whooter?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 21, 2010, 04:47:54 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
More and more evidence brought to light about how oversite and accountability are good things. What I can't understand is why TTI avoids it so much. I'm still interested on hearing your thoughts on that question Whooter?

I think the articles and level of abuse in public schools speaks as to why the TTI does not want to be like them.  Programs are much safer than Public schools as we can clearly see.

November 18, 2010

A former California band teacher claimed in court she did not have sex with a 15-year-old student, but admitted sexual encouters with two other ex-students when they were 18.

The former pupil at the center of the case, now 18, testified that he and Carlie Rose Attebury kissed in 2007 and eventually had sex at her house after she moved near him in 2008.

Attebury, 31, told jurors at her trial for felony sexual misconduct that she was not sexually interested in the boy, who was 15 when the alleged encounters began, the Orange County Register reported.

Attebury said that she hugged the boy as she did any other 'band kid,' but it was never sexual.

She said she was very close to her students, and so involved in the lives of her marching band students that she went to their other extracurricular activities and took to calling them 'my kids'.

The lead prosecutor said in her opening statements that Attebury treated this student as if they were in a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship.'

The teen detailed the relationship in court Monday.

He said he met the teacher when he was a freshman in her marching band at El Modena High School in Orange, Californai and developed feelings for her early in his sophomore year.

'I had ideas, but I didn't do anything about them,' the teen testified.

But he said he kissed her in her office before the school's homecoming game in November 2007.

'I wasn't sure if it would progress forward, then it moved forward to a make-out,' said the former student, now an 18-year-old freshman at Santa Ana College, according to City News Service.

The relationship became sexual later that year, and the prosecution said in early 2008 Attebury moved near the teen to a house where they had sex frequently.

Prosecutors said the pair would at times openly hold hands, kiss and present themselves as a couple.

Attebury denied the allegations, and said she did not even realize she was moving near the boy until she had already relocated.

Attebury admitted sexual encounters with two other former band students at parties she called 'kick-backs' at her apartment, but said both were 18.

Attebury faces six felony counts that include unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor younger than 16, and dissuading a witness from a crime.

The last charge stemmed from calls Attebury made to the boy after her arrest, in which she asked him to change his story, prosecutors alleged.


Link (http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330969/Carlie-Rose-Attebury-band-teacher-denies-sex-student-15.html)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 22, 2010, 12:57:41 PM
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I think the articles and level of abuse in public schools speaks as to why the TTI does not want to be like them. Programs are much safer than Public schools as we can clearly see.

Are you honestly trying to claim that transperancy and accountability lead to a program being unsafe? All of your evince proves is that public schools are safer.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 22, 2010, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
All of your evince proves is that public schools are safer.

If these links are telling you that public schools are safer than Programs then that is great.  Try to help me post some of these when you come across them in the news.

November 22, 2010

Accused of having an improper sexual relationship with more than one male student, a former Perrin-Whitt Consolidated ISD teacher has had a warrant issued for her arrest.  

Kimme A. Woolf, 29, of Mineral Wells, has been charged with two counts of improper relationship between a teacher and student and one count of sexual assault of a child under 17 years old, according to Assistant District Attorney Jay Lapham of the 271st Judicial District in Jack County.  

Both charges are second-degree felonies. The improper relationship charge bans any sexual relationship between a public school teacher and student.

Lapham declined to say how many students may be involved because the investigation is ongoing. The Jack County Sheriff’s Office was notified of an ongoing Child Protective Services investigation in  October and requested assistance from the district attorney’s office based on the outcome of the CPS investigation.  

A message left for Woolf’s attorney, Bob Glasgow, was not returned.  

According to PWCISD Superintendent John Kuhn, Woolf worked as a math teacher at the high school between August 2006 and Oct. 26.  

Woolf’s teacher education certificate notes she is under review by the State Board for Educator Certification Professional Discipline Unit.

Woolf, a graduate of Mineral Wells High School and Tarleton State University, worked as a math teacher for Mineral Wells ISD during the 2005-06 school year before resigning and joining PWCISD.  

“When she was employed [at MWISD] we had no documented information that would have kept her from being re-employed,” Assistant Superintendent Linda Porter-Bradford said when asked if she was eligible for rehire when she left.  

Granbury ISD confirmed Woolf worked as a math teacher for the district during the spring semester of 2005 and was eligible for rehire when she left.

Link (http://http://weatherforddemocrat.com/homepage/x970731786/Charged-with-student-sex-relationships)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 22, 2010, 11:14:18 PM
All examples of how transparency helps to make public schools safer. I'm not sure why this is lost on you or why programs oppose transparency and accountability.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 23, 2010, 07:22:09 AM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
All examples of how transparency helps to make public schools safer. I'm not sure why this is lost on you or why programs oppose transparency and accountability.

Nothing is lost, Bruce, we both agree that these articles help.  As you come across them just post them in this thread.  There are so many it is hard to keep up,Thanks.

Here is another one:

November 22, 2010
MURRYSVILLE, Pa. -- A Franklin Regional School District teacher is accused of asking a student to join him in group sex, according to the search warrant.

New details uncovered by Channel 11 News reporter Alan Jennings confirm Murrysville police detectives have served search warrants on both AT&T and Verizon, demanding all text messages and pictures sent to the student by teacher Terry Flaherty.

Jennings confirms the warrants include the accusation that Flaherty asked for a picture of the student’s genitals in exchange for a $100 debt the student owed.

According to the warrant, the teacher called the student later and apologized, saying he was drunk.

Neighbors said that Flaherty would often have parties with teenagers at his home on Pheasant Drive.

"The past two weekends there's been parties, cars lined up, younger people going in and out of the house," said the neighbor.


Link (http://http://www.wpxi.com/news/25878484/detail.html)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 23, 2010, 10:14:05 PM
All I'm seeing is more evidence of why transparency is a good thing. You have to present any reason as to why programs avoid it so much. You can provide links to a thousand stories about public schools, it's only going to accomplish two things:

1. Prove that accountability and transparency lead to better standards and a safer environment, and that the TTI avoids this like the plauge.

2. Show that no matter how many stories about public schools you come across, you're still aren't even coming close to the same percentage of kids who are abused in the TTI. A kid is much more likely to be abused or killed in a program than he is in public school. Nothing you say changes that, the facts prove us right and you wrong.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 23, 2010, 10:24:56 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
All I'm seeing is more evidence of why transparency is a good thing. You have to present any reason as to why programs avoid it so much. You can provide links to a thousand stories about public schools, it's only going to accomplish two things:

1. Prove that accountability and transparency lead to better standards and a safer environment, and that the TTI avoids this like the plauge.

2. Show that no matter how many stories about public schools you come across, you're still aren't even coming close to the same percentage of kids who are abused in the TTI. A kid is much more likely to be abused or killed in a program than he is in public school. Nothing you say changes that, the facts prove us right and you wrong.

Then you should be happy to see the results of transparency in action, Bruce.  As you come across articles just cut and paste them in this thread so that we can get the word out.

Here is another one:

November 23, 2010

GRANADA HILLS - A teacher at Hillcrest Christian School has been arrested for having sex several times with a high school student and police said Tuesday he might have abused other students of the private campus.

Acting on a tip from a parent, police on Sunday arrested Mark Stephen Hubbard, 51, who is also the athletic director at the Granada Hills K-12 school, for sex crimes against an underage female student.

"It's been going on since the start of this year," Los Angeles police Detective Michael Brox said during a news conference Tuesday at Devonshire Division. "There were multiple sex acts and sexual contact.

"There is a chance ... that there may be other (victims)."

Hubbard, who is free after posting $100,000 bail, could not be reached for comment Tuesday. A woman answering the phone listed for Hubbard's Granada Hills home said he no longer lived there.

Police did not say who his attorney was.

Hubbard was arrested Sunday after a parent notified authorities of an ongoing sexual relationship between the girl and the teacher, police said. While police declined to give the victim's age, Hillcrest secondary school students range from 14 to 17.

He was booked for "multiple sex crime charges" with a minor, according to police.

The case has not yet been referred to the district attorney.

"It is with great sadness that we recently learned of the situation involving one of our staff members and
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the secondary school student," said Hillcrest Secondary Principal Lance Haliday, reading a pre-prepared statement to the press.

Link (http://http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_16692000?nclick_check=1)

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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 24, 2010, 07:44:56 AM
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Then you should be happy to see the results of transparency in action, Bruce. As you come across articles just cut and paste them in this thread so that we can get the word out.

Which word is that? That public schools are far safer than programs. I'm glad you finally see that and agree.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 24, 2010, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
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Then you should be happy to see the results of transparency in action, Bruce. As you come across articles just cut and paste them in this thread so that we can get the word out.

Which word is that? That public schools are far safer than programs. I'm glad you finally see that and agree.


Like this one:

November 23, 2010

A 51-year-old Southern California high school teacher has been arrested for investigation of having sex with an underage female student.

Los Angeles police detectives say Mark Stephen Hubbard, who has taught for eight years at Hillcrest Christian School in suburban Granada Hills, was arrested Sunday. He was booked for investigation of multiple sex crimes and released on $100,000 bail.

During a Tuesday news conference, investigators said they are looking for any additional victims.

Detectives say Hubbard, who is a health teacher, athletic director and assistant boys basketball and baseball coach, had an ongoing sexual relationship with at least one female student.

Hillcrest Christian spokesman Rick Donnelly says Hubbard was placed on leave until police and the school finish investigating.

Link (http://http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=%2Fn%2Fa%2F2010%2F11%2F23%2Fstate%2Fn111809S87.DTL)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 24, 2010, 07:19:53 PM
Again, I'm pleased you've finally come to see how much safer public schools are over programs. I am still curious to hear your thoughts on why programs avoid accountability.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 24, 2010, 07:27:20 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Again, I'm pleased you've finally come to see how much safer public schools are over programs. I am still curious to hear your thoughts on why programs avoid accountability.

Another safe Public school:

November 24, 2010

SPRINGFIELD, Vt. (AP) — A former Springfield, Vt., high school teacher and coach is pleading not guilty to a charge he had sex with a student.

Michael Sorrentino entered the plea to a charge of sexual exploitation of a minor Tuesday in criminal court in White River Junction.

Court documents say the alleged victim told police her relationship with Sorrentino began as student-teacher, but became more friendly when they began spending time together after school. The girl told police that last year Sorrentino forcefully removed her clothing and had sex with her.

Sorrentino's attorney disputed the allegations.

WCAX-TV says Sorrentino has since lost his teaching license and moved to California.

Link (http://http://www.necn.com/11/24/10/Former-Vt-teacher-charged-with-sex-with-/landing_nation.html?&blockID=3&apID=e2ba5dc6fcd24decb8ea1dc3baf36c58)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2010, 08:24:55 AM
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Whooter wrote


Another safe Public school:
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You can say that again. What you aren't saying though is why programs avoid transparency.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 26, 2010, 08:01:53 AM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
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Whooter wrote


Another safe Public school:
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You can say that again. What you aren't saying though is why programs avoid transparency.

Another Safe Public School:

WALLED LAKE, Mich. —
A 54-year-old Walled Lake Schools teacher charged with inappropriate sexual conduct with a minor has been put on unpaid suspension.

Larry Konyha of Commerce Township pleaded not guilty during his arraignment Monday in 52nd District Court on second-degree criminal sexual conduct charges.

Police tell The Oakland Press of Pontiac that the Walnut Creek Middle School social studies teacher inappropriately touched an 8-year-old girl on or about Oct. 24. They said the victim is not a Walled Lake student and the incident did not occur at a Walled Lake school. District officials notified parents of the incident in a letter.

Court officials did not immediately know if Konyha had a lawyer.


Link (http://http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-mi-sexcharge-teacher,0,3214929.story)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 26, 2010, 11:41:24 AM
Whooter we've firmly established and agreed upon the fact that public schools are safer than programs. What I don't understand is why you keep avoiding the question about why programs avoid accountability.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: none-ya on November 26, 2010, 11:50:43 AM
I'm not being flippant here, or trying to overstate the obvious. You always find pediphiles(?) where there are children. Public scholls,private or religious schools,gym coach, boy scouts,summer camp,juvy, rehab clergy,ect...
Thats where kiddie pervs will be found. The people we trust as advocates and stewerds of our children,  are
where most children get preyed opon. Take all that, and add to them the total of child abuse in the home, I don't care where, IT'S JUST NOT SAFE TO BE A KID. ANYWHERE!

sorry....
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 26, 2010, 01:18:28 PM
I agree with you None-ya, there is no place that kids could call safe.   I think a child in a public school with both parents working is at a huge risk of being taken advantage of.  There is a lot of free time where the parents are not there to protect them.  Predators employed by the school system can easily take advantage of them in the after school hours.

In the programs that I am familiar with the children have such a structured life that almost every minute is accounted for.  The kids are constantly in and out of group sessions and individual therapy where they are talking about issues.  So it is understandable that the child would be safer from child predators in an atmosphere where the predator has no time to gain control over the child or get them alone.

The predators will be successful eventually in any situation but if you take away the opportunities for the predator to strike you can reduce the risk.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 26, 2010, 03:49:39 PM
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In the programs that I am familiar with the children have such a structured life that almost every minute is accounted for. The kids are constantly in and out of group sessions and individual therapy where they are talking about issues. So it is understandable that the child would be safer from child predators in an atmosphere where the predator has no time to gain control over the child or get them alone.


Which programs specifically are you referring to Whooter?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 26, 2010, 04:18:09 PM
This just came in:

November 24, 2010


An Orange County woman who worked as a high school band teacher was convicted Wednesday of having sex with a student.

Carlie Attebury, 31, of Orange was found guilty on four counts stemming from her sexual relationship with a 15-year-old boy for nearly a year. Prosecutors alleged that Attebury befriended the student in 2007 while working at El Modena High School in Orange.

The two regularly met at Attebury’s home and exchanged sexually explicit text messages, prosecutors said.

Attebury came to the notice of police a few months later when she reported an extortion attempt by a former El Modena student who demanded $3,500 and sexually explicit photos to keep quiet about her  relationship with him.

Miguel Lopez, who was 23 at the time, was arrested and eventually pleaded guilty to one count of felony extortion. He was sentenced to three years' probation.

In 2008, parents contacted El Modena’s principal after they allegedly saw her caressing the 15-year-old’s hair at a school event. Attebury is scheduled to be sentenced in January.

Link (http://http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/11/ex-teacher-convicted-in-oc-sex-case.html)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 26, 2010, 07:00:11 PM
I'm confused Whooter. You acknowledge that public schools are safer than programs, but then you cannot explain why programs avoid accountability, or name the programs you are familiar with. Why is that?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 26, 2010, 07:24:32 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
I'm confused Whooter. You acknowledge that public schools are safer than programs, but then you cannot explain why programs avoid accountability, or name the programs you are familiar with. Why is that?

Public school safety. Hmmmm..... Thats a good point.  Speaking of Public school safety, there has been another report.  Lets pause and take a look:

November 24, 2010

A man has been arrested for alleged sexual assaults that happened while he was a teacher at a Scarborough public school several years ago.

The 46-year-old suspect was arrested Nov. 16 and is accused of sexually assaulting a 13-year-old male student at John McCrae Sr. Public School in 1994 and 1995.

Authorities believe there may be more victims.

Anthony Ross is facing five counts of sexual assault and five counts of sexual interference. He’s scheduled to appear in court Friday.
Link (http://http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/101337--teacher-charged-for-alleged-sex-assaults-involving-student)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 27, 2010, 10:33:38 AM
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Public school safety. Hmmmm..... Thats a good point. Speaking of Public school safety, there has been another report. Lets pause and take a look:

So you can't answer the questions then? How unsuprisingly sad.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 27, 2010, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
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Public school safety. Hmmmm..... Thats a good point. Speaking of Public school safety, there has been another report. Lets pause and take a look:

So you can't answer the questions then? How unsuprisingly sad.


I think that all of these are sad, Bruce.  Lets take a look at an update of an earlier incident:

November 26, 2010

A 26-year-old former high school science teacher who was arrested for having sex with one of her students is pregnant, amid speculation that her alleged victim may be the father.

Jennifer Riojas is out on bond after being arrested on Wednesday for sexual assault against a child under 17. The arrest came nearly a month after she resigned from her job as a science teacher at Carter-Riverside High School in Fort Worth, Texas.

Court documents detail a tawdry affair between student and teacher, with the two even taking to the teenager's hospital bed for sex at one point.

Fort Worth Independent School District spokesman Clint Bond confirmed that Riojas left her classroom on Oct. 19 and resigned two days later. Her resignation letter referenced her pregnancy.

ABC's Dallas affiliate WFAA reported that the paternity for Riojas' baby has not been established, but that the teenager came forward because he was concerned that he might be the father.

According to an affidavit filed in Tarrant County, Riojas's alleged victim told school officials that he was 16 years old when he began a sexual relationship with his teacher.

The affidavit details several alleged encounters between the two, including one instance of sexual intercourse in the teenager's hospital bed in early December 2009 when he was being treated for a sports-related injury.

The teenager, who was in Riojas' first-period class as a sophomore, told authorities that as he and Riojas got to know each other, she would attend his school football games and he would spend his lunch period in her class, according to the affidavit.

"The victim, now 17 years old, stated that defendant drove the victim to different hotels ... at which time the victim and defendant engaged in sexual intercourse," the document continued.

A hotel clerk in nearby Hurst, Texas confirmed to investigators that Riojas rented a room on Dec. 10, 2009 -- with a coupon --and again on Jan. 28, 2010.

Riojas could not immediately be reached for comment.
Link (http://http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-teacher-student-sex-scandal-pregnant/story?id=12213226)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 27, 2010, 05:00:43 PM
So you still can't answer then?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 27, 2010, 05:12:58 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
So you still can't answer then?

Good point, Bruce, I forgot.  Here you go:

November 16, 2010

An Orlando high-school teacher has been removed from the classroom amid allegations that she had sex with three students, authorities said today.

The woman, who has not been charged criminally, teaches at Edgewater High, said Kathy Marsh, an Orange County schools spokeswoman. She is on paid leave.

The state Department of Children and Families received a report Friday alleging that the teacher was having a sexual relationship with one boy, DCF spokeswoman Carrie Hoeppner said. Over the weekend, a complaint was received that the woman was involved with two other students, too, Hoeppner said.
Link (http://http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-11-15/news/os-teacher-sex-students-20101115_1_teacher-student-kathy-marsh-high-school-teacher)


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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 27, 2010, 07:06:45 PM
They always place these teachers on paid leave and protect them and pay them with tax payers money until the trial is over ( 4 years from now! lol).  Its the teachers union that stands in the way.
If this were a private institution the teachers'/staffs' life line would be severed within hours of the arrest with no pay.  I dont understand why these institutions like the church and public school system want to hold onto these people and keep paying them.


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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2010, 11:02:58 AM
Still nothing? There just two little questions Whooter, why aren't you able to answer them?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 28, 2010, 11:16:51 AM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Still nothing?

Here maybe you are right, lol.   I forgot to post this one:

November 29, 2010

BAY MINETTE, Alabama -- A Nov. 29 jury trial has been scheduled in Baldwin Circuit Court for a Causey Middle School teacher accused of sexually abusing a boy in Summerdale.

In April, a grand jury indicted Charles Milton Lewis Jr., 50, of Summerdale, on one count of first-degree sexual abuse and one count of attempted first-degree assault.

According to the indictment, Lewis attempted "to cause serious physical injury ... by transmission of the human immunodeficiency virus."

The 9-year-old boy was not infected with HIV, according to an official with the District Attorney’s Office.

In June, Lewis waived his arraignment and pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Lewis, a science and reading teacher at Causey Middle School in Mobile, wrecked his car on the way to a school function in March and officers said he admitted he was drunk.

In the wake of that case, the child accused Lewis of touching him inappropriately in July 2009 during an overnight visit to Lewis’ home. The boy also said Lewis offered him alcohol, authorities said.

The boy was not one of Lewis’ students, investigators and school officials have said.

Following the accusation, another allegation of inappropriate contact with a child then surfaced in Mobile County involving a student. Lewis has also denied any wrongdoing in that incident.

Link (http://http://blog.al.com/live/2010/11/date_set_in_child_sex_abuse_ca.html)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2010, 06:51:45 PM
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Here maybe you are right, lol. I forgot to post this one:

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Of course I am, the thing I'm confused on is why you still can't answer the question.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 28, 2010, 07:03:29 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
I'm confused
I know the abuse in Public schools just keeps going.  Its a scary time we are living in, I dont think any child is safe in our public school system.

November 18, 2010
Des Moines police are investigating allegations of sexual abuse involving a former Scavo High School science teacher.

Kenneth Rettler, 29, voluntarily surrendered his teaching license to the Iowa Board of Educational Examiners last spring after he was accused of having an inappropriate relationship with a 17-year-old female student in December.

The Des Moines school board approved his termination in January, but the district did not report the matter to police.

It's against Iowa law for a teacher to have sex with a student, regardless of the student's age.

Police began their investigation in January when the former student, who is now 18, reported the relationship. Police have been waiting for results of paternity testing before turning the matter over to the Polk County attorney's office, a police spokesman said.

The victim had a baby in July. She said in court documents that she had a sexual relationship with Rettler from October to November 2009, when the baby was conceived.

Police and Polk County Attorney John Sarcone received the results of the tests Tuesday. Sarcone said he will meet with police investigators before deciding how to proceed.

Under Iowa law, a one-time encounter between a teacher and student is an aggravated misdemeanor. A pattern of sexual contact is a felony and is punishable by up to five years in prison.

Sarcone did not have a timeline for when a decision would be made on whether to file charges. The statute of limitations is three years.

Link (http://http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20101118/NEWS02/11180353/Police-look-into-claim-of-teacher-s-sex-abuse)

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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2010, 11:01:48 PM
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Whooter wrote

 I dont think any child is safe in our public school system.


Just wanted to save that little gem. You have in the past taken issues with others using words like 'all ' and 'every' as they apply to negative comments about programs. Yet here you are making the same sort of blanket comment. I guess that means the rest of us are free to say things like, "Every program is abusive" or "All program staffers abuse kids" without any word of criticsm from you. Can't have it both ways Whooter. In any event, your comment that has no basis in reality. The fact of the matter is kids are much safer in public schools versus programs. A fact you seem to be well aware of, otherwise you'd actually attempt to answer the question regarding why programs avoid accountability, and what programs you personally are familiar with.

You're free to play this sad game as long as you like Whooter, just know that no one is buying what you're selling.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2010, 11:02:16 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
I'm confused
I know the abuse in Public schools just keeps going.  Its a scary time we are living in, I dont think any child is safe in our public school system.

November 18, 2010
Des Moines police are investigating allegations of sexual abuse involving a former Scavo High School science teacher.

Kenneth Rettler, 29, voluntarily surrendered his teaching license to the Iowa Board of Educational Examiners last spring after he was accused of having an inappropriate relationship with a 17-year-old female student in December.

The Des Moines school board approved his termination in January, but the district did not report the matter to police.

It's against Iowa law for a teacher to have sex with a student, regardless of the student's age.

Police began their investigation in January when the former student, who is now 18, reported the relationship. Police have been waiting for results of paternity testing before turning the matter over to the Polk County attorney's office, a police spokesman said.

The victim had a baby in July. She said in court documents that she had a sexual relationship with Rettler from October to November 2009, when the baby was conceived.

Police and Polk County Attorney John Sarcone received the results of the tests Tuesday. Sarcone said he will meet with police investigators before deciding how to proceed.

Under Iowa law, a one-time encounter between a teacher and student is an aggravated misdemeanor. A pattern of sexual contact is a felony and is punishable by up to five years in prison.

Sarcone did not have a timeline for when a decision would be made on whether to file charges. The statute of limitations is three years.

Link (http://http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20101118/NEWS02/11180353/Police-look-into-claim-of-teacher-s-sex-abuse)

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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 29, 2010, 04:38:54 AM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"


You're free to play this sad game as long as you like Whooter, just know that no one is buying what you're selling.

Hmmm....  Seems to be a new one every day.

November 24, 2010

SPRINGFIELD, Vt. (AP) — A former Springfield, Vt., high school teacher and coach is pleading not guilty to a charge he had sex with a student.

Michael Sorrentino entered the plea to a charge of sexual exploitation of a minor Tuesday in criminal court in White River Junction.

Court documents say the alleged victim told police her relationship with Sorrentino began as student-teacher, but became more friendly when they began spending time together after school. The girl told police that last year Sorrentino forcefully removed her clothing and had sex with her.

Sorrentino's attorney disputed the allegations.

WCAX-TV says Sorrentino has since lost his teaching license and moved to California.

He's free on bail.

Link (http://http://www.necn.com/11/24/10/Former-Vt-teacher-charged-with-sex-with-/landing_nation.html?&blockID=3apID=e2ba5dc6fcd24decb8ea1dc3baf36c58)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2010, 11:26:26 PM
Yet each day goes by without you being able to answer the questions put to you. As I mentioned earlier you can continue to play this game so long as you like, no one is buying it and I won't get bored.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 30, 2010, 08:58:12 AM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
As I mentioned earlier you can continue ......

Thanks, Bruce,  if you come across any news articles on your end just toss them up here and we can take a look.

November 29, 2010

Former Manassas teacher and convicted sex offender Kevin Ricks was indicted Wednesday in Maryland on charges that he sexually abused a German foreign exchange student there in 2004, the latest criminal case to arise from more than three decades of reported abuse.

A Caroline County grand jury charged Ricks with seven counts, including providing alcohol to a minor, child pornography production and sexual contact with someone who is incapacitated. The charges carry a potential maximum combined sentence of more than 100 years in prison.

The charges stem from alleged abuse that occurred in Ricks's Federalsburg home after a night of heavy drinking with high school boys - abuse that Ricks recorded on video and in photographs, authorities said.

Ricks, 50, a former English teacher at Osbourn High School, is serving a one-year sentence in Manassas for molesting a 16-year-old boy there. Although that term is to end Dec. 24, Ricks almost certainly will not be released because, in addition to the Maryland case, he faces sex and pornography charges in North Carolina and in federal court in Alexandria.

"I think the citizens of this county . . . were all victims of this guy's scam as much as anyone else, even if they didn't become physical victims themselves," said Caroline State's Attorney Jonathan Newell.

"I think everyone's sort of devastated that someone from another country would trust their child to come here and be taken care of, and instead had their worst nightmare take place."

It was the Manassas abuse, discovered in February, that exposed Ricks's secret life. After he was arrested, police searched his home and found journals and a trove of photographs and videos of him in encounters with boys.

The apparent abuse of the German student, who was living with Ricks, was reported in a Washington Post investigation in July. The student told The Post that he had passed out and did not remember what happened but felt that something wasn't right the next morning.

Ricks, who pleaded guilty to abusing the Manassas boy, has said that he is not a predator. At his divorce hearing last week in Maryland, he said by phone from jail that he had never done anything more than "consensual touching" and had never been unfaithful to his wife. Authorities say that the evidence they have contradicts those statements and indicates a pattern of stalking, obsession and abuse.

Two high school students who were at Ricks's home the day the German student says he was abused said they spent the afternoon in Ricks's back yard, staging photographs in the snow and pretending they were at the beach. Some of the photos depict them shirtless and lying on towels.

Then came the drinking.

Brady Clark, 23, said that Ricks provided Jose Cuervo tequila and that the students sat at the dining room table and drank to the point of vomiting. Clark, whose family was close with Ricks, went to sleep in a guest house, and the exchange student stayed inside with Ricks.

Several of Ricks's alleged victims have said he plied them with tequila. A Japanese boy said he was made to drink tequila on a trip with Ricks to the United States in 1994; a Danish foreign exchange student said he did tequila shots with Ricks the night Ricks took graphic photos of him while passed out in Danville, Va., in 1999. Ricks provided the Manassas boy with tequila shots before molesting him.

Clark said he knew nothing of the abuse until after Ricks was arrested. Now, Clark said he thinks Ricks used him to get to his friends and to get closer to the exchange students Ricks hosted.

"I feel like a tool he used, that I was manipulated just like everyone else was," Clark said. "He comes across as a caring person, but when you get down to it, he's a very selfish person."

The German student said he became uncomfortable with Ricks almost immediately after arriving in 2003. Ricks demanded hugs each night before bed and later used electronic spy programs to look in on his e-mail. The student ultimately went to his foreign exchange company for help. The company removed him and barred Ricks from hosting students.

But Ricks continued to stalk him, the student said. School records obtained by The Post indicate that Ricks was banned from school property in April 2004.

Ricks then got another teenager to videotape the German student playing tennis at the high school, prompting the student to seek a restraining order in court. The court declined the order because the student did not have the evidence police now do.

The Post typically does not identify victims in sexual assault cases.


Link (http://http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/17/AR2010111706975.html)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 30, 2010, 09:27:57 AM
None of this has to do with the TTI.  It's all distraction away from what goes on in programs that use LGAT-type methods.  The entire point of the title of this thread is a distraction.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 30, 2010, 09:41:44 AM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
None of this has to do with the TTI.  It's all distraction away from what goes on in programs that use LGAT-type methods.  The entire point of the title of this thread is a distraction.

 Interesting, so you dont feel kids get abused in programs?  I have read here that abuse does occur in programs from time to time and is critical to report it here on fornits.  As these reports come in we can post them in this thread.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 30, 2010, 11:48:20 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
None of this has to do with the TTI.  It's all distraction away from what goes on in programs that use LGAT-type methods.  The entire point of the title of this thread is a distraction.

 Interesting, so you dont feel kids get abused in programs?  I have read here that abuse does occur in programs from time to time and is critical to report it here on fornits.  As these reports come in we can post them in this thread.


Oh bite me.  Twisting what I'm saying again.  You're trying to equate public schools with programs.  Apples - Oranges.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 30, 2010, 11:58:40 AM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
None of this has to do with the TTI.  It's all distraction away from what goes on in programs that use LGAT-type methods.  The entire point of the title of this thread is a distraction.

 Interesting, so you dont feel kids get abused in programs?  I have read here that abuse does occur in programs from time to time and is critical to report it here on fornits.  As these reports come in we can post them in this thread.


Oh bite me.  Twisting what I'm saying again.  You're trying to equate public schools with programs.  Apples - Oranges.

Apples and Apples.  As problems occur in programs we can post them here also.  This is not restricted to just Public school abuse.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 30, 2010, 12:19:34 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
None of this has to do with the TTI.  It's all distraction away from what goes on in programs that use LGAT-type methods.  The entire point of the title of this thread is a distraction.

 Interesting, so you dont feel kids get abused in programs?  I have read here that abuse does occur in programs from time to time and is critical to report it here on fornits.  As these reports come in we can post them in this thread.


Oh bite me.  Twisting what I'm saying again.  You're trying to equate public schools with programs.  Apples - Oranges.

Apples and Apples.  As problems occur in programs we can post them here also.  This is not restricted to just Public school abuse.

You're still trying to compare them and they aren't comparable in any way.  Public schools don't isolate kids from the outside world.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 30, 2010, 12:24:14 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
None of this has to do with the TTI.  It's all distraction away from what goes on in programs that use LGAT-type methods.  The entire point of the title of this thread is a distraction.

 Interesting, so you dont feel kids get abused in programs?  I have read here that abuse does occur in programs from time to time and is critical to report it here on fornits.  As these reports come in we can post them in this thread.


Oh bite me.  Twisting what I'm saying again.  You're trying to equate public schools with programs.  Apples - Oranges.

Apples and Apples.  As problems occur in programs we can post them here also.  This is not restricted to just Public school abuse.

You're still trying to compare them and they aren't comparable in any way.  Public schools don't isolate kids from the outside world.

Of course they do!  Ever try to walk up to one during the day and walk in?  Public schools house kids and so do programs.  Kids are susceptible to abuse practically everywhere they go and it is important to compare them, find the dangerous areas and report on them.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RTP2003 on November 30, 2010, 12:29:19 PM
Whooter, you lying, asinine, child-abusing-for-profit twit, you do nothing but trumpet your ignorance and downright stupidity.

Comparing the "isolation" of a public school to a teen torture gulag is like comparing an appendectomy to assault and battery.

Again, you illustrate, far better than anyone else could, just what an ignorant, idiotic, callous, child-abusing prick you are.

Oh yeah----go eat a bag of dicks.  Eat ALL the dicks.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 30, 2010, 12:37:06 PM
Quote from: "RTP2003"
Whooter, you lying, asinine, child-abusing-for-profit twit, you do nothing but trumpet your ignorance and downright stupidity.

Comparing the "isolation" of a public school to a teen torture gulag is like comparing an appendectomy to assault and battery.

Again, you illustrate, far better than anyone else could, just what an ignorant, idiotic, callous, child-abusing prick you are.

Oh yeah----go eat a bag of dicks.  Eat ALL the dicks.

Exactly, it seems the so called isolation is proving to be safer from the predators.  Programs are so structured that there is very little opportunity for predators to take advantage of these kids.  Whereas in public school the predators can take advantage of kids whose parents are both working and the kids have tons of free time.  This has been shown over and over again here.

Ha,Ha,Ha  I like that expression!

(http://http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4154/5020729953_51408ce255_z.jpg)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 30, 2010, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"

Of course they do!  Ever try to walk up to one during the day and walk in?  Public schools house kids and so do programs.  Kids are susceptible to abuse practically everywhere they go and it is important to compare them, find the dangerous areas and report on them.

Kids in public schools go home at night.  They aren't restricted to whom they're allowed to speak to.  They have a degree of freedom.  Kids in programs have none.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 30, 2010, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"

Of course they do!  Ever try to walk up to one during the day and walk in?  Public schools house kids and so do programs.  Kids are susceptible to abuse practically everywhere they go and it is important to compare them, find the dangerous areas and report on them.

Kids in public schools go home at night.  They aren't restricted to whom they're allowed to speak to.  They have a degree of freedom.  Kids in programs have none.

Exactly, Anne, some of these kids go home to empty houses where both parents work.  Predators take advantage of this.  In programs the kids time is so structured that there is not much room for predators to take advantage of them.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 30, 2010, 02:31:32 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"

Of course they do!  Ever try to walk up to one during the day and walk in?  Public schools house kids and so do programs.  Kids are susceptible to abuse practically everywhere they go and it is important to compare them, find the dangerous areas and report on them.

Kids in public schools go home at night.  They aren't restricted to whom they're allowed to speak to.  They have a degree of freedom.  Kids in programs have none.

Exactly, Anne, some of these kids go home to empty houses where both parents work.  Predators take advantage of this.  In programs the kids time is so structured that there is not much room for predators to take advantage of them.

Or to have a single thought of their own.  Or to take a shit without being monitored.  Or to write a letter to a friend.  Or to watch a movie.  

So what now......are you advocating that all kids with working parents consider shipping their kids off to ensure their "safety"?

You really are so over the top it's unbelievable.


Edited to add:  It sounds like your "reasoning" for not allowing an abuse hotline in programs......the hotline operator might talk dirty to them.   ::)
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 30, 2010, 03:07:57 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

Or to have a single thought of their own.  Or to take a shit without being monitored.  Or to write a letter to a friend.  Or to watch a movie.  

I am sorry this happened to you.  Its a good thing they have programs now where you dont have to endure that.

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So what now......are you advocating that all kids with working parents consider shipping their kids off to ensure their "safety"?

No,only as a last resort.  I think we covered that.



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Edited to add:  It sounds like your "reasoning" for not allowing an abuse hotline in programs......the hotline operator might talk dirty to them.   ::)

Ha,Ha,Ha  Thats funny, I remember that.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Troll Control on November 30, 2010, 03:36:05 PM
Programs are a child predator's dream.  They get to have complete control over the kids they want to abuse and can even force them into isolation where it's the kid's word against theirs about what happened.  Most programs don't even do background checks on employees and hire bottom-of-the-barrel line staff that they cvall "counselors."

One program was opened by a pedophile and was given the Struggling Teens' "stamp of approval" after a visit and glowing review on the website.  The only problem was that the program owner was raping all the little girls in his care and was, after years of doing this, arrested and charged with over 120 counts of child sex abuse.

Yep, for a child predator, the Program is the place to be.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 30, 2010, 03:54:48 PM
Quote from: "Troll Control"
Programs are a child predator's dream.  They get to have complete control over the kids they want to abuse and can even force them into isolation where it's the kid's word against theirs about what happened.  Most programs don't even do background checks on employees and hire bottom-of-the-barrel line staff that they cvall "counselors."

One program was opened by a pedophile and was given the Struggling Teens' "stamp of approval" after a visit and glowing review on the website.  The only problem was that the program owner was raping all the little girls in his care and was, after years of doing this, arrested and charged with over 120 counts of child sex abuse.

Yep, for a child predator, the Program is the place to be.

I disagree,  Programs are very highly structured with staff to child ratios close to 8:1 in many cases.  The kids are never left alone and are always in groups.  If you look at kids in public school they have a ton of free time on their hands.  Some of the kids go home to the teachers house after school where they are alone with them.  This all occurs before the parents get back from work.  So the opportunity is there for predators in the public sector.  Not so much in the private sector.

I think the data I have been presenting has supported this point thus far.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Samara on November 30, 2010, 04:07:45 PM
You are so full of crap. I've been to so many different schools moving around and have have not been abused by my teachers. Also, teachers don't bring students to their homes in modern times. Last, if any student breathes a word about the possibility of abuse, the teacher is gone.  Ruined.  

In a RESIDENTIAL program,there is PLENTY of opportunity for abuse aside from the trenchant psychological abuse that pervades the whole program.  And unfortunately, there is NOTHING you can do to safeguard yourself. For one thing, the programs maintain that complaints are manipulation tactics. For another, the kid is isolated.  Phones were locked. Letters censored.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 30, 2010, 04:22:31 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
You are so full of crap. I've been to so many different schools moving around and have have not been abused by my teachers. Also, teachers don't bring students to their homes in modern times. Last, if any student breathes a word about the possibility of abuse, the teacher is gone.  Ruined.  

In a RESIDENTIAL program,there is PLENTY of opportunity for abuse aside from the trenchant psychological abuse that pervades the whole program.  And unfortunately, there is NOTHING you can do to safeguard yourself. For one thing, the programs maintain that complaints are manipulation tactics. For another, the kid is isolated.  Phones were locked. Letters censored.

Its not like that anymore or at least in the programs that I am familiar with.  Phone calls are not monitored, if you attempt to run away more than once you are tossed out, The kids are never alone with any adults at all, they are always in groups or with another student.  The program is structured 24 hours a day.  The only opportunity I can see for a child being abused is at night if the other kids start to bully one in their room.  but even then they have night staff which would hear any disturbances.

Samara if you look at the sexual cases which I have been posting you will see that many took place at the teachers home or in the teachers car or hotel rooms.  This is nearly impossible for kids to be isolated and taken advantage of in this way if they are in a program.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2010, 07:54:57 PM
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I am sorry this happened to you. Its a good thing they have programs now where you dont have to endure that.


Which ones. Name them Whooter.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2010, 07:57:47 PM
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I disagree, Programs are very highly structured with staff to child ratios close to 8:1 in many cases. The kids are never left alone and are always in groups.

You're incorrect. Remember we spent time locked up in programs, you've never been in one. You're wrong, we're right. Inmates are left alone with staff on a regular basis, inmates are often driven to places in staff members personal vehicles with no supervison. Is this appropriate?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on November 30, 2010, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
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I am sorry this happened to you. Its a good thing they have programs now where you dont have to endure that.


Which ones. Name them Whooter.


Hold that thought, Bob, we just got something coming in over the wire.  Seems to be one or two a day now in public schools.

Quincy, IL

 The jury trial of a former Quincy student teacher facing drug and sex charges has been set for Feb. 14.
   Thirty-six-year-old Darrold W. Frisbie Jr. is charged with delivery of a controlled substance, aggravated criminal sexual abuse, possession of methamphetamine and possession of drug paraphernalia.
   The sexual abuse charge stems from an April 17 incident reported by a 16-year-old. Frisbie also is accused of giving drugs to juveniles.
   Frisbie was a Quincy University student who was finishing up student teaching stints at two Quincy schools. He is free on $75,000 bond.

Link (http://http://www.hannibal.net/news/x1743708653/Trial-of-former-student-teacher-set-for-February)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 01, 2010, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"

Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

Edited to add:  It sounds like your "reasoning" for not allowing an abuse hotline in programs......the hotline operator might talk dirty to them.   ::)

Ha,Ha,Ha  Thats funny, I remember that.

You really find that funny?  You have a strange sense of humor.  You do more damage to "your side" by posting the inane crap that you do here.  

Parents, these are the kinds of people that endorse these places.   Someone who thinks it's funny to deny an abuse hotline because the hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids.  No matter that the kids have no way of reporting to anyone the abuses they're suffering......just as long as the program keeps chugging along with zero negative remarks allowed, making money off of scared and naive parents at the expense of the kids.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 01, 2010, 09:59:08 AM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"

Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

Edited to add:  It sounds like your "reasoning" for not allowing an abuse hotline in programs......the hotline operator might talk dirty to them.   ::)

Ha,Ha,Ha  Thats funny, I remember that.

You really find that funny?  You have a strange sense of humor.  You do more damage to "your side" by posting the inane crap that you do here.  

Parents, these are the kinds of people that endorse these places.   Someone who thinks it's funny to deny an abuse hotline because the hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids.  No matter that the kids have no way of reporting to anyone the abuses they're suffering......just as long as the program keeps chugging along with zero negative remarks allowed, making money off of scared and naive parents at the expense of the kids.

Anne, I dont have a side, as you call it.  I am a moderate and believe some programs are abusive while others help kids.  As far as hot-lines go I am not against them, they would be good to have.  My comment about the "operator talking dirty"  was made to make a point and yes I think it was funny and still do.  The hot line people could have training issues too like everyone else. lol



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Troll Control on December 01, 2010, 01:34:55 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
I disagree, Programs are very highly structured with staff to child ratios close to 8:1 in many cases. The kids are never left alone and are always in groups

8 to 1 staff to student?  That's laughable.  Show some evidence.

Kids are never left alone?  Also laughable.  Kids are put into isolation all the time.  They are constantly left alone with a single staff member for work assignments, etc.  I guess all of the rapes, sexual asaults, suicides and self-harm must be done in front of groups of kids and groups of staff eight times as large as the group of kids.  I wonder how these kids end up beaten, raped or dead by their own hand with dozens of people watching them all the time?

Whooter, you really have no idea what you're talking about and are blatantly lying yet again.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 01, 2010, 04:53:43 PM
Public School Abuse


Dover, Del.

A phyiscal education teacher at Woodbridge High School in Bridgeville was arrested Nov. 30 on charges that he had sex with a 17-year old female student.

Derek J. Lofland, 32, of Greenwood, faces a total of 23 charges including fourth-degree rape, sexual solicitation of a child and second-degree unlawful sexual contact, police said.

According to Master Cpl. Bruce Harris, during the course of their investigation state police learned that Lofland and the victim allegedly developed a relationship in April of this year. Things escalated in May when the victim visited Lofland's office at Woodbridge Junior-Senior High School and assisted him with his duties, Harris said.

Police said during the course of the relationship Lofland allegedly engaged in inappropriate sexual contact with the victim while on school grounds as well as at his Greenwood residence. Lofland is also alleged to have sent explicit text messages to the victim.

At the time the crimes allegedly were committed, Lofland was the district's athletic director, said Woodbridge Superintendent Dr. Kevin E. Carson.

Carson said Lofland, who has worked for the district for eight years, has been placed on administrative leave pending further investigation.

Lofland was taken into custody at his residence without incident, Harris said.

After arraingnment, he was committed to the Sussex Correctional Institute on an $86,000 secured bond.
Link (http://http://www.milfordbeacon.com/election/state/x1966829168/Woodbridge-athletic-director-allegedly-had-sex-with-student)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on December 01, 2010, 07:37:33 PM
As usual Whooter hides behind his fabricated data whenever he comes across an question he can't answer, or a point he can't counter.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 01, 2010, 08:31:02 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
As usual Whooter hides behind his fabricated data whenever he comes across an question he can't answer, or a point he can't counter.

Sorry Bruce, it is the beginning of the month and the abuse within the Public school system begins again.  Lets pick up your points in a couple of days.

Looks like they rehire past people who were fired in past abuse cases  (tsk,tsk,tsk):

A TOOWOOMBA principal who was sacked after failing to report to police serious sexual abuse allegations against a teacher has been rehired.

The former principal has been employed as a supply teacher at a Catholic primary school in Ipswich, west of Brisbane, to the dismay of some victims' families, who declared him derelict in his duty for not reporting the allegations.

Yesterday families of five girls abused by former teacher Gerard Vincent Byrnes reached a settlement with the Catholic Church's Toowoomba diocese to discontinue their legal proceedings.

A further three girls' families are expected to settle their cases next year.

Byrnes, 61, pleaded guilty in April to 44 sexual abuse charges, including 33 of indecent treatment of a child under 16 and 10 counts of rape. Byrnes was sentenced to 10 years' jail, which is being appealed by the Queensland Attorney-General as insufficient to reflect the severity of the abuse.

Link (http://http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/teacher-who-failed-to-report-abuse-rehired/story-e6frg6nf-1225964151160)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: none-ya on December 01, 2010, 09:06:20 PM
Quote
Byrnes, 61, pleaded guilty in April to 44 sexual abuse charges, including 33 of indecent treatment of a child under 16 and 10 counts of rape. Byrnes was sentenced to 10 years' jail, which is being appealed by the Queensland Attorney-General as insufficient to reflect the severity of the abuse.

That bastard should be locked up for the rest of his life!!
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on December 01, 2010, 11:44:12 PM
Quote
Sorry Bruce, it is the beginning of the month and the abuse within the Public school system begins again. Lets pick up your points in a couple of days.


When are you planning on making yours?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 02, 2010, 09:58:20 AM
I'm still trying to figure out the comparison between public schools and programs.  There are such vast differences and Whooter starting a thread titled this way implies that there's a legitimate comparison.  There isn't.  Yes, public schools are lacking in a lot of things, but they don't lock the kids down 24/7 and/or isolate them from the outside world.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 02, 2010, 10:17:02 AM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I'm still trying to figure out the comparison between public schools and programs.  There are such vast differences and Whooter starting a thread titled this way implies that there's a legitimate comparison.  There isn't.  Yes, public schools are lacking in a lot of things, but they don't lock the kids down 24/7 and/or isolate them from the outside world.

They both house/teach high school students....  Public schools run from 8:00 to 3:00 during the week and programs run 24/7.....  



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 02, 2010, 10:35:42 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I'm still trying to figure out the comparison between public schools and programs.  There are such vast differences and Whooter starting a thread titled this way implies that there's a legitimate comparison.  There isn't.  Yes, public schools are lacking in a lot of things, but they don't lock the kids down 24/7 and/or isolate them from the outside world.

They both house/teach high school students....  Public schools run from 8:00 to 3:00 during the week and programs run 24/7.....  


And your point is......?  


They're not comparable, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself that they are.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 02, 2010, 10:56:14 AM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I'm still trying to figure out the comparison between public schools and programs.  There are such vast differences and Whooter starting a thread titled this way implies that there's a legitimate comparison.  There isn't.  Yes, public schools are lacking in a lot of things, but they don't lock the kids down 24/7 and/or isolate them from the outside world.

They both house/teach high school students....  Public schools run from 8:00 to 3:00 during the week and programs run 24/7.....  


And your point is......?  

They both teach our youth, Anne.  The majority of kids in programs are high school age the same age as kids in public high school.  They share this commonality.  If you cannot see the comparison then you should just disregard this thread.  That is typically what I do if I dont see any value in a discussion or thread.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 02, 2010, 11:01:03 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I'm still trying to figure out the comparison between public schools and programs.  There are such vast differences and Whooter starting a thread titled this way implies that there's a legitimate comparison.  There isn't.  Yes, public schools are lacking in a lot of things, but they don't lock the kids down 24/7 and/or isolate them from the outside world.

They both house/teach high school students....  Public schools run from 8:00 to 3:00 during the week and programs run 24/7.....  


And your point is......?  

They both teach our youth, Anne.  The majority of kids in programs are high school age the same age as kids in public high school.  They share this commonality.  If you cannot see the comparison then you should just disregard this thread.  That is typically what I do if I dont see any value in a discussion or thread.


You're trying to compare public schools to programs and they're vastly different.  Yes, they both attempt to teach our youth, but public schools don't separate families, isolate kids from ANYTHING to do with the outside world, deny them proper food and hydration, stand them up in front of a group of a ton of kids and scream in their face to get them to "see their reality" and on and on and on and on.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 02, 2010, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I'm still trying to figure out the comparison between public schools and programs.  There are such vast differences and Whooter starting a thread titled this way implies that there's a legitimate comparison.  There isn't.  Yes, public schools are lacking in a lot of things, but they don't lock the kids down 24/7 and/or isolate them from the outside world.

They both house/teach high school students....  Public schools run from 8:00 to 3:00 during the week and programs run 24/7.....  


And your point is......?  

They both teach our youth, Anne.  The majority of kids in programs are high school age the same age as kids in public high school.  They share this commonality.  If you cannot see the comparison then you should just disregard this thread.  That is typically what I do if I dont see any value in a discussion or thread.


You're trying to compare public schools to programs and they're vastly different.  Yes, they both attempt to teach our youth, but public schools don't separate families, isolate kids from ANYTHING to do with the outside world, deny them proper food and hydration, stand them up in front of a group of a ton of kids and scream in their face to get them to "see their reality" and on and on and on and on.

The places have differences but they are comparable also.  Public schools and catholic schools are different, one has uniforms the other does not, one costs money out of pocket the other does not.  One teaches religion the other does not  etc.  But they are comparable also.  I understand the differences between programs and public schools.  I am comparing them on a level of safety and reported incidences of abuse.  We could do the same with public and private schools.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 02, 2010, 11:23:51 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
They both teach our youth, Anne.  The majority of kids in programs are high school age the same age as kids in public high school.  They share this commonality.  If you cannot see the comparison then you should just disregard this thread.  That is typically what I do if I dont see any value in a discussion or thread.


Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
You're trying to compare public schools to programs and they're vastly different.  Yes, they both attempt to teach our youth, but public schools don't separate families, isolate kids from ANYTHING to do with the outside world, deny them proper food and hydration, stand them up in front of a group of a ton of kids and scream in their face to get them to "see their reality" and on and on and on and on.

Quote from: "Whooter"
The places have differences but they are comparable also.  Public schools and catholic schools are different, one has uniforms the other does not, one costs money out of pocket the other does not.  One teaches religion the other does not  etc.  But they are comparable also.  I understand the differences between programs and public schools.  I am comparing them on a level of safety and reported incidences of abuse.  We could do the same with public and private schools.

Bullshit. Private schools don't isolate kids from family and the real world.  Private schools don't beat the kids.  Private schools actually teach with qualified teachers.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Samara on December 02, 2010, 11:35:25 AM
I went to both private and public schools growing up.  There were variant teaching styles - some I responded to better than others - but in no way shape or form was the school isolated from the outside world or founded on psychological abuse. I was never abused by a teacher, but if so, it would be safer, easier and more effective to lodge a complaint against a public or private school teacher than it would be to lodge a complaint from a TBS located in an isolated area with no phones bearing the label "troubled teen." You could be apple pie a la mode, but if anyone slaps a label on you, presto.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 02, 2010, 11:38:41 AM
Quote from: "Samara"
I went to both private and public schools growing up.  There were variant teaching styles - some I responded to better than others - but in no way shape or form was the school isolated from the outside world or founded on psychological abuse. I was never abused by a teacher, but if so, it would be safer, easier and more effective to lodge a complaint against a public or private school teacher than it would be to lodge a complaint from a TBS located in an isolated area with no phones bearing the label "troubled teen." You could be apple pie a la mode, but if anyone slaps a label on you, presto.


Ditto.....went to private school from 1st thru 8th grade.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 02, 2010, 12:33:18 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
They both teach our youth, Anne.  The majority of kids in programs are high school age the same age as kids in public high school.  They share this commonality.  If you cannot see the comparison then you should just disregard this thread.  That is typically what I do if I dont see any value in a discussion or thread.


Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
You're trying to compare public schools to programs and they're vastly different.  Yes, they both attempt to teach our youth, but public schools don't separate families, isolate kids from ANYTHING to do with the outside world, deny them proper food and hydration, stand them up in front of a group of a ton of kids and scream in their face to get them to "see their reality" and on and on and on and on.

Quote from: "Whooter"
The places have differences but they are comparable also.  Public schools and catholic schools are different, one has uniforms the other does not, one costs money out of pocket the other does not.  One teaches religion the other does not  etc.  But they are comparable also.  I understand the differences between programs and public schools.  I am comparing them on a level of safety and reported incidences of abuse.  We could do the same with public and private schools.

Bullshit. Private schools don't isolate kids from family and the real world.  Private schools don't beat the kids.  Private schools actually teach with qualified teachers.

Some programs have highly qualified teachers and some bring in teachers from local community colleges to teach AP courses and prepare kids for college.  Programs have sports teams which compete with local highschools in the area.  My daughter was never beaten nor was anyone in her peer group.  I never heard of a kid being beaten at ASR.

Technically every school is different.  Some are in the north, some in the south, some have good teachers some have bad teachers.  But that is why we compare to see what the differences are.


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Title: ASR Is Abusive
Post by: Dysfunction Junction on December 02, 2010, 12:41:15 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
I never heard of a kid being beaten at ASR.

I have.  And so have others.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 02, 2010, 03:45:08 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
I went to both private and public schools growing up.  There were variant teaching styles - some I responded to better than others - but in no way shape or form was the school isolated from the outside world or founded on psychological abuse. I was never abused by a teacher, but if so, it would be safer, easier and more effective to lodge a complaint against a public or private school teacher than it would be to lodge a complaint from a TBS located in an isolated area with no phones bearing the label "troubled teen." You could be apple pie a la mode, but if anyone slaps a label on you, presto.

I never saw any abuse either.  I attended parochial school.  I think what we are seeing is that many of these kids are approached by teachers and they are meeting after hours on school grounds and off school groounds.  Many of the parents both work outside the home and are not around to watch their kids.  The kids in programs are so busy 24/7 that a predator doesnt have as much opportunity to get a child alone as we are seeing in the public schools.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Dysfunction Junction on December 02, 2010, 03:57:57 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Samara"
I went to both private and public schools growing up.  There were variant teaching styles - some I responded to better than others - but in no way shape or form was the school isolated from the outside world or founded on psychological abuse. I was never abused by a teacher, but if so, it would be safer, easier and more effective to lodge a complaint against a public or private school teacher than it would be to lodge a complaint from a TBS located in an isolated area with no phones bearing the label "troubled teen." You could be apple pie a la mode, but if anyone slaps a label on you, presto.

I never saw any abuse either.  I attended parochial school.  I think what we are seeing is that many of these kids are approached by teachers and they are meeting after hours on school grounds and off school groounds.  Many of the parents both work outside the home and are not around to watch their kids.  The kids in programs are so busy 24/7 that a predator doesnt have as much opportunity to get a child alone as we are seeing in the public schools.



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The program owners themselves are molesting children.  This guy got charged with 167 counts of sexually abusing children at his program.

Quote
Gage sentenced to 45 years
By Eric Dolson
February 2, 2001

Steven Gage will probably spend the rest of his life in prison.

Gage, 43, the former proprietor of Royal Haven Equestrian Center for Girls near Sisters, was sentenced to 45 years behind bars on 27 counts of theft, criminal mistreatment and sex abuse of teenage girls under his care.

The sentence was handed down by Judge Stephen Tiktin on January 31, 2001. It followed the guidelines of a plea agreement between Gage and the Deschutes County District Attorney reached January 4.

Prior to sentencing, victim after victim of Gage's abuse, including girls who ranged in age from 14 to 18 at the time the sex abuse occurred, gave tearful testimony that he should received the maximum sentence allowed under the plea agreement.

 
"He took the trust we gave him and twisted it for his own sexual desire ... I was just a child, and so was every other girl he molested," said one young woman who accounted for nearly half of the original 146 counts of sex abuse that occurred.

While she spoke, Gage sat at the defense table, shrunken, having lost dozens of pounds while sitting in jail seven months waiting for his trial. His hair was thin and graying, his face hollow and white. His head shook slightly from side, either from a slight tremor or perhaps in denial of the atrocities described.

His head seemed to barely reach above the collar of an oversize denim jacket with the words "Deschutes County Jail" stenciled on the back. It made him seem even smaller.

"Look at him! Do you think that this man would ever be a part of any teenage girl's fantasies? It was disgusting!" said one of the coerced sexual activity with Gage.

"I don't know what shell of a human being does this to 13- or 15- or 17-year-old girls and thinks he can get away with it," said another. "He preyed on the souls of children for his own sense of confidence."


Parents told the judge of the nearly unbearable guilt they felt when they had discovered what Gage had done to their daughters.

"We were seeking desperately a safe harbor. Imagine the shock and horror and outrage when we learned that we had delivered her into the hands of an uncontrolled, manipulative, evil, sexual predator," said one father.

There was as much outrage over his methods of control, the way he isolated the girls, attempted to turn them against their parents and each other, how he lied and threatened and intimidated them.

The girls testified that their fear extended even to bucolic Sisters High School where, under a previous administration, Gage had conned his way in as a truant officer, offered the services of his supposedly trained drug-sniffing dogs. He had keys to the building, his partner Karen Lee was on the school board.

"We could not go to the school (authorities). We would look out the door of English class, expecting to see his face," cried one girl.

 
A Sisters teacher in the courtroom flinched as these words were spoken.

The girls told of how he gave favors of jewelry and privileges to his "special girls," the ones who did not or could not resist his sexual advances.

Only Gage's daughter testified in his defense. She could barely be understood through her tears as she spoke of how she could not stand to hear these accusations against "my dad," how her father had helped many of these girls, how he "did the best he could for everybody."

She felt his guilty plea was the act of a hero, the act of a man who's love of wife and children was proven by a willingness to sacrifice the rest of his life so that they would not have to suffer.


Another victim.

In determining the sentence, Judge Tiktin first spoke to assuage the guilt of parents and the girls.

As a man who has seen much of the worst, as a man who must be "always suspicious and even cynical," Judge Tiktin told them that "I myself could have been deceived by Mr. Gage ... (until yesterday), I think I failed to grasp the character and scope of his crimes.

" ... what happened is not your fault," the judge told parents and girls. He praised the courage of those girls who came forward.


Turning to Steven Gage, Judge Tiktin said that he believed Royal Haven "was a scam from day one." He spoke of Gage's "tremendous conceit and contempt of others, to take these precious children as objects for your sexual gratification ... the cruelty, the isolation, the exploitation of their disaffection from their family."

At which time, Tiktin read the sentence, which added up to 45 years behind the walls of prison. the judge established that Gage will always be under supervision as a "sexually dangerous offender."

If he lives that long, Gage could get out after 36 years with time off for good behavior, but even then he will be 79 years-old when he next breathes air as a free man.

If the owners are child molesters, how many staff are child molesters, too.  Obvioulsy programs don't do background checks and lots of child predators end up alone with your kids daily.

Sadly, these programs that keep kids in isolation from their families and the authorities are abreeding ground for pedophiles and provide the perfect opportunity for the predator's motives.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 02, 2010, 04:03:34 PM
Compared to Public schools these programs are a safe haven, though.

November 24, 2010


An Orange County woman who worked as a high school band teacher was convicted Wednesday of having sex with a student.

Carlie Attebury, 31, of Orange was found guilty on four counts stemming from her sexual relationship with a 15-year-old boy for nearly a year. Prosecutors alleged that Attebury befriended the student in 2007 while working at El Modena High School in Orange.

The two regularly met at Attebury’s home and exchanged sexually explicit text messages, prosecutors said.

Attebury came to the notice of police a few months later when she reported an extortion attempt by a former El Modena student who demanded $3,500 and sexually explicit photos to keep quiet about her  relationship with him.

Miguel Lopez, who was 23 at the time, was arrested and eventually pleaded guilty to one count of felony extortion. He was sentenced to three years' probation.

In 2008, parents contacted El Modena’s principal after they allegedly saw her caressing the 15-year-old’s hair at a school event. Attebury is scheduled to be sentenced in January.

Link (http://http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/11/ex-teacher-convicted-in-oc-sex-case.html)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Dysfunction Junction on December 02, 2010, 04:05:18 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Samara"
I went to both private and public schools growing up.  There were variant teaching styles - some I responded to better than others - but in no way shape or form was the school isolated from the outside world or founded on psychological abuse. I was never abused by a teacher, but if so, it would be safer, easier and more effective to lodge a complaint against a public or private school teacher than it would be to lodge a complaint from a TBS located in an isolated area with no phones bearing the label "troubled teen." You could be apple pie a la mode, but if anyone slaps a label on you, presto.

I never saw any abuse either.  I attended parochial school.  I think what we are seeing is that many of these kids are approached by teachers and they are meeting after hours on school grounds and off school groounds.  Many of the parents both work outside the home and are not around to watch their kids.  The kids in programs are so busy 24/7 that a predator doesnt have as much opportunity to get a child alone as we are seeing in the public schools.



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The program owners themselves are molesting children.  This guy got charged with 167 counts of sexually abusing children at his program.

Quote
Gage sentenced to 45 years
By Eric Dolson
February 2, 2001

Steven Gage will probably spend the rest of his life in prison.

Gage, 43, the former proprietor of Royal Haven Equestrian Center for Girls near Sisters, was sentenced to 45 years behind bars on 27 counts of theft, criminal mistreatment and sex abuse of teenage girls under his care.

The sentence was handed down by Judge Stephen Tiktin on January 31, 2001. It followed the guidelines of a plea agreement between Gage and the Deschutes County District Attorney reached January 4.

Prior to sentencing, victim after victim of Gage's abuse, including girls who ranged in age from 14 to 18 at the time the sex abuse occurred, gave tearful testimony that he should received the maximum sentence allowed under the plea agreement.

 
"He took the trust we gave him and twisted it for his own sexual desire ... I was just a child, and so was every other girl he molested," said one young woman who accounted for nearly half of the original 146 counts of sex abuse that occurred.

While she spoke, Gage sat at the defense table, shrunken, having lost dozens of pounds while sitting in jail seven months waiting for his trial. His hair was thin and graying, his face hollow and white. His head shook slightly from side, either from a slight tremor or perhaps in denial of the atrocities described.

His head seemed to barely reach above the collar of an oversize denim jacket with the words "Deschutes County Jail" stenciled on the back. It made him seem even smaller.

"Look at him! Do you think that this man would ever be a part of any teenage girl's fantasies? It was disgusting!" said one of the coerced sexual activity with Gage.

"I don't know what shell of a human being does this to 13- or 15- or 17-year-old girls and thinks he can get away with it," said another. "He preyed on the souls of children for his own sense of confidence."


Parents told the judge of the nearly unbearable guilt they felt when they had discovered what Gage had done to their daughters.

"We were seeking desperately a safe harbor. Imagine the shock and horror and outrage when we learned that we had delivered her into the hands of an uncontrolled, manipulative, evil, sexual predator," said one father.

There was as much outrage over his methods of control, the way he isolated the girls, attempted to turn them against their parents and each other, how he lied and threatened and intimidated them.

The girls testified that their fear extended even to bucolic Sisters High School where, under a previous administration, Gage had conned his way in as a truant officer, offered the services of his supposedly trained drug-sniffing dogs. He had keys to the building, his partner Karen Lee was on the school board.

"We could not go to the school (authorities). We would look out the door of English class, expecting to see his face," cried one girl.

 
A Sisters teacher in the courtroom flinched as these words were spoken.

The girls told of how he gave favors of jewelry and privileges to his "special girls," the ones who did not or could not resist his sexual advances.

Only Gage's daughter testified in his defense. She could barely be understood through her tears as she spoke of how she could not stand to hear these accusations against "my dad," how her father had helped many of these girls, how he "did the best he could for everybody."

She felt his guilty plea was the act of a hero, the act of a man who's love of wife and children was proven by a willingness to sacrifice the rest of his life so that they would not have to suffer.


Another victim.

In determining the sentence, Judge Tiktin first spoke to assuage the guilt of parents and the girls.

As a man who has seen much of the worst, as a man who must be "always suspicious and even cynical," Judge Tiktin told them that "I myself could have been deceived by Mr. Gage ... (until yesterday), I think I failed to grasp the character and scope of his crimes.

" ... what happened is not your fault," the judge told parents and girls. He praised the courage of those girls who came forward.


Turning to Steven Gage, Judge Tiktin said that he believed Royal Haven "was a scam from day one." He spoke of Gage's "tremendous conceit and contempt of others, to take these precious children as objects for your sexual gratification ... the cruelty, the isolation, the exploitation of their disaffection from their family."

At which time, Tiktin read the sentence, which added up to 45 years behind the walls of prison. the judge established that Gage will always be under supervision as a "sexually dangerous offender."

If he lives that long, Gage could get out after 36 years with time off for good behavior, but even then he will be 79 years-old when he next breathes air as a free man.

If the owners are child molesters, how many staff are child molesters, too.  Obvioulsy programs don't do background checks and lots of child predators end up alone with your kids daily.

Sadly, these programs that keep kids in isolation from their families and the authorities are abreeding ground for pedophiles and provide the perfect opportunity for the predator's motives.

167 counts from just one facility.  Holy moly.  These programs are very dangerous for children.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 02, 2010, 04:25:50 PM
Another Public school abuse case

The Nye County Sheriff's Office says it arrested four faculty members at Floyd Elementary School accused of physically abusing students with mental and physical disabilities.

Authorities say 53-year-old principal Holly Lepisto, 52-year-old teacher Sarah Hopkins, 73-year-old aide Phyllis DuShane and 56-year-old aide Kathryn Cummings were arrested Tuesday. They're accused of five counts of child abuse and neglect and one count conspiracy to commit a crime.

The Las Vegas Sun reports that four children who were identified as victims had challenges that included visual impairment, cerebral palsy, speech challenges and hearing impairment.

The abuse allegedly occurred for at least two school years.

Link (http://http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/nov/24/nv-teacher-arrest/)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on December 02, 2010, 07:26:14 PM
I think we can all now agree the issue has been settled and the question has been answered, publics schools are much safer than programs. Public Schools embrace transperancy and accountability in an effort to create a safer environment for kids. Programs meanwhile avoid it like the plauge and remain dangerous and abusive.

Thank you Whooter for providing so much evidence that proves public schools are safer.

It's too bad you couldnt ever answer the questions regarding which programs you're familiar with, or answer why programs are so afraid of accountability, but we weren't expecting much from you.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 02, 2010, 07:31:59 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Thank you Whooter for providing so much evidence....
you are welcome, Robert.  As you come across reports of abuse in programs or in public schools just post them in this thread.  wait here is another one:

December 2, 2010
PAHRUMP, Nev. -- The Nye County District Attorney has filed formal charges against four school district employees accused of child abuse.

The four women, Principal Holly Lepisto, teacher Sarah Hopkins, and classroom aids Kathryn Cummings and Phyllis Du Shane, worked at Floyd Elementary School and are charged with one count of child abuse and neglect.

The teacher and two classroom aids are accused of using physical force against special education students.

The district attorney alleges the three women forced a student to repeatedly punch himself in the face, swatted a student and struck a student in the mouth. Some of the children were unable to speak due to developmental disabilities. Another had cerebral palsy.

The DA alleges the Principal Lepisto had received complaints about the physical abuse but failed to act.

In a statement, District Attorney Brian Kunzi said, "When the physical force is done under circumstances that have nothing to do with student safety, such force is unreasonable and may constitute abuse."

According to the police report, a total of four children were allegedly abused in the classroom.

Link (http://http://www.8newsnow.com/story/13605743/formal-charges-filed-in-nye-county-teacher-abuse-case)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on December 02, 2010, 07:35:01 PM
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Since the incident was not reported as an attack it was only after talking to the suspects that investigators discovered what had taken place at the boarding school, said Childress.

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No need Whooter, the question has been settled, public schools have been proven to be safer, everyone else has moved on. If you'd bothered to read my entire post and not try and edit it to suit your agenda you would have picked up on that.  :seg:

See you in other threads buddy!
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 02, 2010, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"

See you in other threads buddy!

Thanks Bruce.. whoops hold on another one:

December 2, 2010

ELIZABETHTOWN, Ky. -- A former Central Hardin High School teacher faces sexual abuse charges involving two female students.

Steven Gray was arrested Thursday by Kentucky State Police.

He's accused of having sex with a 17-year-old girl multiple times between October 2009 and February 2010.

According to a criminal complaint, Gray also inappropriately touched a 16-year-old girl in his car at a park.

Gray was fired by the school district last week.

He had worked at Central Hardin since 2006 as a social studies teacher and a track coach.

Gray is charged with sexual abuse and unlawful transaction with a minor

Link (http://http://www.wlky.com/r/26000349/detail.html)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 03, 2010, 09:50:53 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Technically every school is different.  Some are in the north, some in the south, some have good teachers some have bad teachers.  But that is why we compare to see what the differences are.


See, this is where you like to play the semantics game.  Yes, every school is different in some way, but there is NO comparison between being locked up in a program (like the ones we're referring to here) and a public school.  Public schools don't separate families.  Public schools don't use confrontational/humiliation tactics.  Public schools don't isolate kids from the real world.  Quit trying to compare apples to oranges.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 03, 2010, 10:27:26 AM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Technically every school is different.  Some are in the north, some in the south, some have good teachers some have bad teachers.  But that is why we compare to see what the differences are.


See, this is where you like to play the semantics game.  Yes, every school is different in some way, but there is NO comparison between being locked up in a program (like the ones we're referring to here) and a public school.  Public schools don't separate families.  Public schools don't use confrontational/humiliation tactics.  Public schools don't isolate kids from the real world.  Quit trying to compare apples to oranges.

I am pointing out that they are different in many ways, but they are also similar in that they house and educate kids in the highschool years.  Which place is safer programs or Public school?  We really dont know but this is a good thread to post our thoughts and record incidences that occur in these places.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 03, 2010, 10:30:07 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Technically every school is different.  Some are in the north, some in the south, some have good teachers some have bad teachers.  But that is why we compare to see what the differences are.

See, this is where you like to play the semantics game.  Yes, every school is different in some way, but there is NO comparison between being locked up in a program (like the ones we're referring to here) and a public school.  Public schools don't separate families.  Public schools don't use confrontational/humiliation tactics.  Public schools don't isolate kids from the real world.  Quit trying to compare apples to oranges.

I am pointing out that they are different in many ways, but they are also similar in that they house and educate kids in the highschool years.  Which place is safer programs or Public school?  We really dont know but this is a good thread to post our thoughts and record incidences that occur in these places.


See, this is where you like to play the semantics game.  Yes, every school is different in some way, but there is NO comparison between being locked up in a program (like the ones we're referring to here) and a public school.  Public schools don't separate families.  Public schools don't use confrontational/humiliation tactics.  Public schools don't isolate kids from the real world.  Quit trying to distract from the subject at hand.....programs.  That's all this entire thread is.....an attempt to deflect attention away from programs
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 03, 2010, 11:14:21 AM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Technically every school is different.  Some are in the north, some in the south, some have good teachers some have bad teachers.  But that is why we compare to see what the differences are.

See, this is where you like to play the semantics game.  Yes, every school is different in some way, but there is NO comparison between being locked up in a program (like the ones we're referring to here) and a public school.  Public schools don't separate families.  Public schools don't use confrontational/humiliation tactics.  Public schools don't isolate kids from the real world.  Quit trying to compare apples to oranges.

I am pointing out that they are different in many ways, but they are also similar in that they house and educate kids in the highschool years.  Which place is safer programs or Public school?  We really dont know but this is a good thread to post our thoughts and record incidences that occur in these places.


See, this is where you like to play the semantics game.  Yes, every school is different in some way, but there is NO comparison between being locked up in a program (like the ones we're referring to here) and a public school.  Public schools don't separate families.  Public schools don't use confrontational/humiliation tactics.  Public schools don't isolate kids from the real world.  Quit trying to distract from the subject at hand.....programs.  That's all this entire thread is.....an attempt to deflect attention away from programs

Yes there is a comparison, you are wrong.  This thread shows the abuse occurring in public schools and in programs.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 03, 2010, 11:42:02 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Technically every school is different.  Some are in the north, some in the south, some have good teachers some have bad teachers.  But that is why we compare to see what the differences are.

See, this is where you like to play the semantics game.  Yes, every school is different in some way, but there is NO comparison between being locked up in a program (like the ones we're referring to here) and a public school.  Public schools don't separate families.  Public schools don't use confrontational/humiliation tactics.  Public schools don't isolate kids from the real world.  Quit trying to compare apples to oranges.

I am pointing out that they are different in many ways, but they are also similar in that they house and educate kids in the highschool years.  Which place is safer programs or Public school?  We really dont know but this is a good thread to post our thoughts and record incidences that occur in these places.


See, this is where you like to play the semantics game.  Yes, every school is different in some way, but there is NO comparison between being locked up in a program (like the ones we're referring to here) and a public school.  Public schools don't separate families.  Public schools don't use confrontational/humiliation tactics.  Public schools don't isolate kids from the real world.  Quit trying to distract from the subject at hand.....programs.  That's all this entire thread is.....an attempt to deflect attention away from programs

Yes there is a comparison, you are wrong.  This thread shows the abuse occurring in public schools and in programs.

Not a true comparison.....they're both fruit, but apples and oranges.  Abuse occurs everywhere.  This thread of yours is just an attempt to throw attention off of programs.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 03, 2010, 12:21:03 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

Not a true comparison.....they're both fruit, but apples and oranges.  Abuse occurs everywhere.  This thread of yours is just an attempt to throw attention off of programs.

I accept your right to disagree.  But in all fairness I think it is good to post information from outside fornits so that people can get an outside perspective.  If they feel there is no comparison then they can just skip  over this thread.  That is typically what I do if I feel the information is not relevant or misleading.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 03, 2010, 12:25:22 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

Not a true comparison.....they're both fruit, but apples and oranges.  Abuse occurs everywhere.  This thread of yours is just an attempt to throw attention off of programs.

I accept your right to disagree.  But in all fairness I think it is good to post information from outside fornits so that people can get an outside perspective.

That's fine and dandy, but present it for what it is......a marketing tool from their own website.  Don't try and pass it off as someone just dropping by here to say something good about the program.


And again....Abuse occurs everywhere.  This thread of yours is just an attempt to throw attention off of programs.  This site wasn't developed to question the public school system.  It was developed to question the TTI.  You just throw out whatever you can to take the focus off of the TTI.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 03, 2010, 12:33:53 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

That's fine and dandy, but present it for what it is......a marketing tool from their own website.  Don't try and pass it off as someone just dropping by here to say something good about the program.

I think your above post was meant for another thread  (Aspen interview?)


Quote
And again....Abuse occurs everywhere.  This thread of yours is just an attempt to throw attention off of programs.  This site wasn't developed to question the public school system.  It was developed to question the TTI.  You just throw out whatever you can to take the focus off of the TTI.

This thread is a good place to post reports of abuse in programs and public schools.  I think it gives the readers some insight into what is occurring with our young people and the threats they are constantly under.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Dysfunction Junction on December 03, 2010, 02:55:54 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Not a true comparison.....they're both fruit, but apples and oranges. Abuse occurs everywhere. This thread of yours is just an attempt to throw attention off of programs.

And it's transparent, Anne.  Everybody sees it.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 03, 2010, 03:00:33 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Not a true comparison.....they're both fruit, but apples and oranges. Abuse occurs everywhere. This thread of yours is just an attempt to throw attention off of programs.

And it's transparent, Anne.  Everybody sees it.


.....and I think it is all fine either way, the main thing is that we are getting some information about programs and public schools and abuse that occurs out to the readers and providing links to the originals.



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Title: Public School
Post by: Whooter on December 14, 2010, 09:57:46 AM
A Duval County fifth-grade teacher is in jail after authorities questioned her about having sex with a student she tutored in math and counseled at church.

On Friday, police charged Kristina Rhoden Hartless, 39, with three counts of capital sexual battery on a child older than 12. Authorities said she also served as the male victim's church counselor.

Hartless has taught at Beauclerc Elementary since 2006, a schools spokeswoman said.

Linkl (http://http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/12/12/1969539/teacher-accused-of-having-sex.htm)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 17, 2010, 07:59:18 AM
December 14, 2010

A former instructor at Western Harnett High School is facing allegations that he had sex with a student.

Rodney Donnell Ellis, 38, of Brookhannah Court in Fuquay-Varina, is charged with a felony.
Authorities say the alleged victim is a 17-year-old student at Harnett Central High School. It's where Harnett County Superintendent Phil Ferrell says Ellis worked at for the past three school years as a special needs teacher and assistant football coach, before transferring to Western Harnett at the beginning of the school year to pick up similar duties. It's believed the teacher may have gotten to know the victim during his time at Harnett Central. The investigation into Ellis' alleged sexual encounter began after the mother of the student contacted the school system and reported Ellis had sex with her daughter at her home in Angier the day after Thanksgiving. After receiving the information from the parent, Ferrell contacted the Harnett County Sheriff's Office and requested an investigation into the allegation. School leaders say Ellis resigned his teaching position at Western Harnett High School on November 29, two days after the investigation into the sex charges began. Ellis was arrested Thursday and placed in the Harnett County Jail under a $10,000 bond. He was able to post bond and is now awaiting his next court date.

Link (http://http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7842773)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 23, 2010, 10:19:29 AM
December 21, 2010

A mother who contacted ABC11 Tuesday said a teacher at William R. Davie Middle School showed students in her son's class a pornographic video.

She sent cell phone video shot by her son of the incident - which she said happened Monday - to the ABC11 newsroom Tuesday.



The video - shot from behind a man's head - shows a laptop computer on a desk in front of him with video of two people having sex playing on the screen.
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The student who took the video says it wasn't the first time he'd been shown porn videos in class.

Robert Hester says he told his mom, but she didn't believe him.

"All of my boys told me that they're watching porn at school and I never believed them, because they're supposed to have internet blocks here at the school house," Robert Hester's mother Bobbie Ross said.

So her 13-year-old son decided to use his phone to prove it.

"I said, 'Mom I have a porn video on my phone,'" Hester said. "She said, 'No.' I said, 'My teacher watches porn.'"

The 8th grader says he showed his mother the video footage he took during band class Monday, hoping to prove he wasn't lying.

"That's when I lost it," Ross said. "I called the sheriff and got him to come to my house that night."

A spokesperson with Halifax County Schools said the teacher, Archie McLeod III, is on unpaid suspension while the Halifax County Sheriff's Office conducts an investigation.

McLeod, 51, is reportedly seen on the video.

"He looked like he didn't care," Ross said. "I mean he saw (my son) recording him and he pretty much throws his hand up and turns around and keeps watching. It makes me mad, I mean just to know that I send him to school to learn, to get an education and he's here watching porn with his teacher."

Ross says she wants McLeod to be prosecuted and hopes other parents learn from her mistake of not believing her son at first.

"When your kids come home telling you something like they're watching porn or doing this and that look into it, cause there's no telling what's going on in those schools," Ross said.

Major Bruce Temple with the Halifax County Sheriff's Office says Mcleod is charged with 11 counts of disseminating obscene material to minors under the age of 16 and 11 counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor --one count for each of the students authorities believe viewed the video.

Detectives said during their investigation, they recovered the computer and the video.

McLeod's bond was set for $40,000. He bonded out of jail Wednesday morning. He is scheduled to appear in court on Feb. 22.

According to a bio on the Davie Middle website, McLeod is from Fayetteville. He got a graduate degree at North Carolina Central University.

Link (http://http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7856704)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 23, 2010, 11:41:28 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Not a true comparison.....they're both fruit, but apples and oranges. Abuse occurs everywhere. This thread of yours is just an attempt to throw attention off of programs.

And it's transparent, Anne.  Everybody sees it.


.....and I think it is all fine either way, the main thing is that we are getting some information about programs and public schools and abuse that occurs out to the readers and providing links to the originals.


That still doesn't explain why you conflate public schools and programs.  Apples and oranges.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 23, 2010, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Not a true comparison.....they're both fruit, but apples and oranges. Abuse occurs everywhere. This thread of yours is just an attempt to throw attention off of programs.

And it's transparent, Anne.  Everybody sees it.


.....and I think it is all fine either way, the main thing is that we are getting some information about programs and public schools and abuse that occurs out to the readers and providing links to the originals.


That still doesn't explain why you conflate public schools and programs.  Apples and oranges.

I changed the title of the thread to allow posting of topics abuse in Public and Programs.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on December 23, 2010, 01:10:49 PM
John you have long ago shown that you have no interest in the truth about abuse in programs. There is no point in discussing it with you. You are far too close minded.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 23, 2010, 01:26:13 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
John you have long ago shown that you have no interest in the truth about abuse in programs. There is no point in discussing it with you. You are far too close minded.

It must have been long ago because I dont remember discussing the truth with a guy named John.  If he comes back point him out to me I have a few thoughts on that subject.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 23, 2010, 01:31:04 PM
Apples and oranges again.  Public schools and programs have very little, if anything, in common.   But you know this already.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 23, 2010, 01:33:22 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Apples and oranges again.  Public schools and programs have very little, if anything, in common.   But you know this already.

I just dont agree with you , Anne.  You may want to consider just skipping over this thread if it causes you this much heartburn.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 23, 2010, 01:37:56 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Apples and oranges again.  Public schools and programs have very little, if anything, in common.   But you know this already.

I just dont agree with you , Anne.  You may want to consider just skipping over this thread if it causes you this much heartburn.

You forgot your third ...  there were only two.

I never said it "gave me heartburn".  I'm simply pointing out that your analogies have no basis in reason.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 23, 2010, 01:49:48 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Apples and oranges again.  Public schools and programs have very little, if anything, in common.   But you know this already.

I just dont agree with you , Anne.  You may want to consider just skipping over this thread if it causes you this much heartburn.

You forgot your third ...  there were only two.

I never said it "gave me heartburn".  I'm simply pointing out that your analogies have no basis in reason.

I like my analogies and feel they get my point across and so do other people.  I cant expect everyone to like them.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 23, 2010, 01:52:31 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Apples and oranges again.  Public schools and programs have very little, if anything, in common.   But you know this already.

I just dont agree with you , Anne.  You may want to consider just skipping over this thread if it causes you this much heartburn.

You forgot your third ...  there were only two.

I never said it "gave me heartburn".  I'm simply pointing out that your analogies have no basis in reason.

I like my analogies

I know you do.....you just suck at them.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 23, 2010, 02:14:13 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

I know you do.....you just suck at them.

Most other people disagree with you.  I think that you have a hard time with them because you struggle with making the connection.  If I said someone was as honest as Abe Lincoln.  That would not mean that person was tall and had a beard.  The commonality is only that the two people shared the trait of being honest.  Other than that they can be completely different.  So an analogy can connect "Apple and Oranges" for example because they are both fruits.  One is citrus and the other is not but they have the shared classification of being called a fruit as a link between them.
I do understand the phrase "Apple and Oranges" as an expression of things being different, but I also used borrowed that same expression to make my point.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Dysfunction Junction on December 23, 2010, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I know you do.....you just suck at them.


Amen.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on December 23, 2010, 02:24:08 PM
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and so do other people

Where are they?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 23, 2010, 02:30:28 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Quote
and so do other people

Where are they?

They can be found everywhere, Bruce!  Not many people on fornits like them because the analogy makes a point that they dont like.

Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "justonemore"
Samarra, and whomever wrote the "magnets" analogy. Loved the anaolgy, great stuff, very accurate in a metaphoric kind of way.

Thank you.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on December 23, 2010, 02:34:20 PM
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They can be found everywhere, Bruce! Not many people on fornits like them because the analogy makes a point that they dont like.


Or because they are pointless and off base.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 24, 2010, 07:44:48 AM
Just in:

December 23, 2010

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — A former Des Moines teacher has been arrested for allegedly having sex with a student.

The Des Moines Register says Kenneth Rettler of Bear Creek, Wis., was arrested in Des Moines on Wednesday on a charge of sexual exploitation by a school employee.

Rettler was a biology teacher at Scavo Alternative High School. He allegedly had a sexual relationship with a student in the fall of 2009. He was fired in December 2009 and relinquished his teacher license in May.

Rettler also is charged with preventing apprehension, obstructing prosecution.

Online court records show Rettler was released after posting $400 bond. A court appearance is Dec. 30. There is no attorney listed for Rettler. There is no telephone listing for him in Bear Creek, Wis.

Link (http://http://www.wqad.com/news/sns-ap-ia--teachercharged,0,374902.story)




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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 24, 2010, 10:14:10 AM
I'm still not understanding what public schools have to do with programs.  You keep trying to conflate the two and they are so very different.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 24, 2010, 10:38:42 AM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I'm still not understanding what public schools have to do with programs.  You keep trying to conflate the two and they are so very different.

They should be different.  If they were the same then there would be no use in comparing them.   They house different segments of the school kids.  Through the teens years kids are educated in highschools and some go to programs.  They are both the same age groups.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 24, 2010, 10:53:19 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I'm still not understanding what public schools have to do with programs.  You keep trying to conflate the two and they are so very different.

They should be different.  If they were the same then there would be no use in comparing them.   They house different segments of the school kids.  Through the teens years kids are educated in highschools and some go to programs.  They are both the same age groups.


But they're not dealt with in the same way, which is what you're implying.  Public schools don't lock down the kids.  Public schools don't use the LGAT-type humiliation methods.  There is a BIG difference.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 24, 2010, 10:56:27 AM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I'm still not understanding what public schools have to do with programs.  You keep trying to conflate the two and they are so very different.

They should be different.  If they were the same then there would be no use in comparing them.   They house different segments of the school kids.  Through the teens years kids are educated in highschools and some go to programs.  They are both the same age groups.


But they're not dealt with in the same way, which is what you're implying.  Public schools don't lock down the kids.  Public schools don't use the LGAT-type humiliation methods.  There is a BIG difference.

There are huge differences between the two that is why I am comparing them.  Public schools do not use LGAT's and programs dont have kids who go home at night.  They are vastly different.  If they were exactly the same then why would we want to compare them?



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Froderik on December 24, 2010, 10:59:39 AM
What's your point?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 24, 2010, 11:20:50 AM
Quote from: "Froderik"
What's your point?

 :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 24, 2010, 11:28:27 AM
ST. THOMAS - A 39-year-old St. Thomas elementary school teacher who was charged with sex abuse following student complaints, has resigned his nine-year position with Thames Valley District school board.

Darren Blew, a coach at his school, appeared Tuesday in St. Thomas court where charges against him were withdrawn by the Crown.

Justice Michael O’Dea was told Blew had agreed to sign a four-year peace bond.

A school board spokesperson said Wednesday Blew has submitted his resignation, which has been accepted by administration.

She was not able to say if Blew’s resignation is part of any agreement between him and the Crown.

Blew, a Grade 7 teacher at Southwold elementary school, was charged in March with sexual assault, sexual interference with a minor, sexual exploitation and assault, following a month-long investigation by Elgin OPP into complaints by pupils and former pupils of inappropriate touching.

OPP said the alleged incidents happened at the school and spanned a three-year period.

They said “a number of students” had complained.

Blew hadn’t been at Southwold school since Jan. 22 when he was placed on paid leave after allegations first surfaced. He had been with the board since 2001.

Blew had coached the Southwold Cougars girls basketball team to a Thames Valley District School Board elementary girls AAA basketball championship in 2004 and to a silver medal at the same competition in 2005.
http://http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2010/12/22/16651176.html

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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 24, 2010, 11:31:34 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
There are huge differences between the two that is why I am comparing them.


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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 24, 2010, 11:39:08 AM
Anne do you think programs and public schools are different?  If so how?



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 24, 2010, 11:41:48 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Anne do you think programs and public schools are different?  If so how?


Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
But they're not dealt with in the same way, which is what you're implying.  Public schools don't lock down the kids.  Public schools don't use the LGAT-type humiliation methods.  There is a BIG difference.


Just for starters.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 24, 2010, 11:49:16 AM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Anne do you think programs and public schools are different?  If so how?


Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
But they're not dealt with in the same way, which is what you're implying.  Public schools don't lock down the kids.  Public schools don't use the LGAT-type humiliation methods.  There is a BIG difference.


Just for starters.

Exactly, you just compared the two, Anne.  One has LGAT's and the other one doesn't.  Thats a comparison.  so you see you can compeare the two to see how different they are.  I am looking at the abuses which are revealed in the paper and news items.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Froderik on December 24, 2010, 12:01:19 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Froderik"
What's your point?

 :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:

 :wall:  :bs:  :rofl:
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 24, 2010, 12:32:42 PM
One has LGAT's and the other one doesn't.  Thats a comparison.  so you see you can compare the two to see how different they are.  I am looking at the abuses which are revealed in the paper and news items.

The point is that it can be done.  So people may be interested others not so much.  When people read the title of the thread they can decide if they want to read it or not and whether it adds value to them.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 24, 2010, 12:34:17 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
One has LGAT's and the other one doesn't.  Thats a comparison.  so you see you can compare the two to see how different they are.  I am looking at the abuses which are revealed in the paper and news items.

The point is that it can be done.  So people may be interested others not so much.  When people read the title of the thread they can decide if they want to read it or not and whether it adds value to them.


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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 24, 2010, 01:26:32 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
One has LGAT's and the other one doesn't.  Thats a comparison.  so you see you can compare the two to see how different they are.  I am looking at the abuses which are revealed in the paper and news items.

The point is that it can be done.  So people may be interested others not so much.  When people read the title of the thread they can decide if they want to read it or not and whether it adds value to them.


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I know, it makes you think doesnt it.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on December 24, 2010, 02:00:19 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
One has LGAT's and the other one doesn't.  Thats a comparison.  so you see you can compare the two to see how different they are.  I am looking at the abuses which are revealed in the paper and news items.

The point is that it can be done.  So people may be interested others not so much.  When people read the title of the thread they can decide if they want to read it or not and whether it adds value to them.


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I know, it makes you think doesnt it.

No, it verifies that you're just doing this for what you think is fun.  To those of us that actually went through it, it's damn serious.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 24, 2010, 02:35:45 PM
I am documenting the abuse that occurs at these places.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on December 25, 2010, 12:53:50 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
I am documenting the abuse that occurs at these places.



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No you're not. You're picking and choosing what abuses you will and will not recognize.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 25, 2010, 10:05:51 AM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Quote from: "Whooter"
I am documenting the abuse that occurs at these places.



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No you're not. You're picking and choosing what abuses you will and will not recognize.

Not sure what you mean.  You are free to post any reports of program abuse or public school abuse on here also.  As I see the articles I post them here.  There is no screening process.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on December 25, 2010, 11:53:23 AM
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Not sure what you mean. You are free to post any reports of program abuse or public school abuse on here also. As I see the articles I post them here. There is no screening process.


You have a proven track record of dismissing instances of abuse or making fun of those who were abused. You have shown you have repeatedly shown that you either have no interest in learning the truth about these places, or the more likely explination is that you are aware of the truth about how these kids are being hurt, you simply do not care. It's also possible that because you are a sociopath you find their suffering to be funny.

Those being the facts I see little point in feeding your sickness. No matter what your motivations are the truth is you don't care about these kids. I'm not going to give you fodder to dismiss or make jokes about.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 25, 2010, 12:01:34 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
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Not sure what you mean. You are free to post any reports of program abuse or public school abuse on here also. As I see the articles I post them here. There is no screening process.


You have a proven track record of dismissing instances of abuse or making fun of those who were abused. You have shown you have repeatedly shown that you either have no interest in learning the truth about these places, or the more likely explination is that you are aware of the truth about how these kids are being hurt, you simply do not care. It's also possible that because you are a sociopath you find their suffering to be funny.

Those being the facts I see little point in feeding your sickness. No matter what your motivations are the truth is you don't care about these kids. I'm not going to give you fodder to dismiss or make jokes about.

You struggle with people who are open minded like myself and dont buy into the group think, Bruce.  You call me what you like, but I report the facts and learn from what I read.  I am not stuck in a recuring do-loop of negative thought patterns like yourself.  I have witnessed the good side of the industry as well as the bad side and I continue to gain knowledge by accepting new information and facts on the industry.  You appear to be damaged and unable to do this.  I will still continue to make an effort to educate people like yourself by supplying the facts and latest information and you can choose to ignore it or read it.  That is up to you.




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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 25, 2010, 12:15:37 PM
A former Garden City High School teacher will be sentenced Jan. 7 in Wayne County Circuit Court following his guilty plea to third-degree criminal sexual conduct.
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David Goscinski, 37, was arrested in October and pleaded guilty to having sexual relations with a 17-year-old student in the fall. He has been held in the Wayne County Jail since Nov. 11.

His bond was modified after he attempted to commit suicide Oct. 29 by driving his vehicle into the Detroit River, authorities said.

Goscinski faces up to 15 years in prison.



From The Detroit News: http://http://detnews.com/article/20101225/METRO03/12250334/Ex-teacher-faces-Jan.-7-sentence-in-student-tryst#ixzz1983BsCJW



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on December 25, 2010, 02:54:24 PM
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You struggle with people who are open minded like myself and dont buy into the group think, Bruce. You call me what you like, but I report the facts and learn from what I read. I am not stuck in a recuring do-loop of negative thought patterns like yourself. I have witnessed the good side of the industry as well as the bad side and I continue to gain knowledge by accepting new information and facts on the industry. You appear to be damaged and unable to do this. I will still continue to make an effort to educate people like yourself by supplying the facts and latest information and you can choose to ignore it or read it. That is up to you.


Whooter you are many things, but open minded has never been one of them. Nor have you ever been interested in facts about this abusive industry. All you have ever been interested in is the bottom line. You don't care about these kids now, and you never have. Here are some more of the tamer examples of you dismissing kids being abused or declaring they don't count:

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Send them over, if they meet the parameters I will add them in.

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There was an event that struck RobertBruce as kind of absurd and a little funny, at the time, that’s all.

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http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21604&p=261750&hilit=absurd#p261750

Better link to that one. That was you too afraid to stand behind your own comments of mocking an abuse survivor and later trying to blame me for it. You were subsbequently banned for this.

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Oh poor you. You fucked up your life to the point that your parents had to interviene and place you in a program. You expect respect from your parents when you treat them like shit. You probably treated your friends the same way. Grow a sack and grow up.


Like I said, you've never cared about them. This has always been about dollars for you.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 25, 2010, 03:11:30 PM
Bruce you throw up a random quote and try to make the readers believe I was banned for my comment?  You dont provide any proof at all.  When I asked you to grow a sack in that last quote it was probably well justified.  You tend to run off when pressed for accountability.  I think you demonstrated that well at HLA.  I dont see an problems with what I posted at all.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on December 25, 2010, 05:14:38 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Bruce you throw up a random quote and try to make the readers believe I was banned for my comment?  You dont provide any proof at all.  When I asked you to grow a sack in that last quote it was probably well justified.  You tend to run off when pressed for accountability.  I think you demonstrated that well at HLA.  I dont see an problems with what I posted at all.



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 :seg: The crazy part about that is that you weren't even talking to me in the post in question. By all means though Whootie tell me what you think you know of my time in HLA if you can. Everyone's been waiting.We can all tell when you're on the ropes because the insults and lies come out. My time in HLA was spent proving programmies like yourself wrong and kicking the shit out of kiddie abusers (like yourself). You can't prove anything different.

As for proof about your banning, here you go son:

http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21796&hilit=Goodbye

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"Scarlett Chiclet" wrote:
TheWho is currently banned for flooding. Anybody care to send me a list of links to the spam? If not, that's cool. Kelly can get at it from the back end later when she has time.


Enjoy.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 25, 2010, 07:13:37 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Bruce you throw up a random quote and try to make the readers believe I was banned for my comment?  You dont provide any proof at all.  When I asked you to grow a sack in that last quote it was probably well justified.  You tend to run off when pressed for accountability.  I think you demonstrated that well at HLA.  I dont see an problems with what I posted at all.



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 :seg: The crazy part about that is that you weren't even talking to me in the post in question. By all means though Whootie tell me what you think you know of my time in HLA if you can. Everyone's been waiting.We can all tell when you're on the ropes because the insults and lies come out. My time in HLA was spent proving programmies like yourself wrong and kicking the shit out of kiddie abusers (like yourself). You can't prove anything different.

As for proof about your banning, here you go son:

http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21796&hilit=Goodbye

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"Scarlett Chiclet" wrote:
TheWho is currently banned for flooding. Anybody care to send me a list of links to the spam? If not, that's cool. Kelly can get at it from the back end later when she has time.


Enjoy.

?  You are not making much sense Bruce.  Random quotes,  try to pull it together.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on December 25, 2010, 09:29:08 PM
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You are not making much sense Bruce. Random quotes, try to pull it together.


In other words, you can't respond, you've been proven wrong again, and you've got nothing. SSDD Whootie.  :seg:
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 26, 2010, 07:53:07 AM
Bruce anyone can pick a random post and say that the person was banned for it.  You never showed this to be true.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: RobertBruce on December 26, 2010, 02:23:15 PM
Everyone understands you have difficulty with reading comprehension but the rest of the class understands you were banned for flooding and spamming. Try and catch up son.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 26, 2010, 03:10:10 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Everyone understands you have difficulty with reading comprehension but the rest of the class understands you were banned for flooding and spamming. Try and catch up son.

I will respond when you can be more civil.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 27, 2010, 08:14:20 AM
The problem still continues in our public schools


A former instructor at Western Harnett High School is facing allegations that he had sex with a student.
Rodney Donnell Ellis, 38, of Brookhannah Court in Fuquay-Varina, is charged with a felony.

Authorities say the alleged victim is a 17-year-old student at Harnett Central High School. It's where Harnett County Superintendent Phil Ferrell says Ellis worked at for the past three school years as a special needs teacher and assistant football coach, before transferring to Western Harnett at the beginning of the school year to pick up similar duties.

It's believed the teacher may have gotten to know the victim during his time at Harnett Central.

The investigation into Ellis' alleged sexual encounter began after the mother of the student contacted the school system and reported Ellis had sex with her daughter at her home in Angier the day after Thanksgiving.

After receiving the information from the parent, Ferrell contacted the Harnett County Sheriff's Office and requested an investigation into the allegation.

School leaders say Ellis resigned his teaching position at Western Harnett High School on November 29, two days after the investigation into the sex charges began.

Ellis was arrested Thursday and placed in the Harnett County Jail under a $10,000 bond.

http://http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7842773
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on December 30, 2010, 08:54:46 PM
Former Prosser Mayor Charged with Rape of a Child

KENNEWICK, Wash. -- Former Prosser Mayor Linda Lusk suddenly faces two new felony charges for sex crimes, including rape of a child and communication with a minor for immoral purposes.

The charges come six months after the case involving Lusk and a 14-year-old boy first came to light. Earlier this summer, prosecutors charged Lusk with 3rd degree child molestation for allegedly inviting a Prosser High School teen to her home, in late April, for a brief sexual encounter.

As of Tuesday, prosecutors said Lusk had not committed any more crimes so KEPR wanted to know: why the added charges?

Attorneys on either side, who used to work together in the prosecutor's office, now disagree over an agreement they made in June. In an email exchange, Lusk's attorney, Scott Johnson, said Miller would file only one sex crime charge against Lusk if she agreed to three things: make a statement about what happened, be truthful, and "take responsibility" for what happened.

KEPR found, it's the "taking responsibility" part where there is a major difference of opinion. Miller argues, by "taking responsibility", Lusk would be pleading guilty to child molestation so the alleged victim would not have to be part of a trial at such a young age. If she did that, Johnson said, Miller would not file the extra two charges.

But Johnson said he had a very different interpretation of what that agreement meant. He told KEPR that he never believed "taking responsibility" meant Lusk had to plead guilty. He explained that setting up the parameters of a statement to police does not mean Lusk was confessing. Johnson said she was just agreeing to give her side of the story.

Since the deal was essentially off, prosecutors leveled the two new charges.

Neither attorney would agree to an on-camera interview since things are "heating up."

Johnson said he plans to ask a judge to throw out the new charges. It's up to a judge to decide if the former mayor will face one sex crime or all three.

So far, this does not change Lusk's trial date which is still set for January 24. Johnson still insists that his client will not take a plea deal.



Link (http://http://www.kimatv.com/news/local/112287789.html)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 06, 2011, 03:22:56 PM
Teacher in court accused of sex with student


A local high school teacher accused of having a sexual relationship with one of his students made his first court appearance Thursday.

Scott Peterson stood before a judge Thursday. The mother of his 17-year-old alleged victim's mother was also in the courtroom.

"I'm just sad and upset and I'm completely devastated this whole thing happened," said "Christine," the victim's mother.

Peterson is accused of having unlawful sex with the victim beginning last April.

"We do believe that he was grooming her prior to that when she was 16," said Katherine David, Orange County deputy district attorney.

The 48-year-old allegedly met the girl at Orange High School, where he taught Spanish for the past few years. Prosecutors say he would take her to Disneyland, meet her and her friends at social events and hang out.

"They also had each other's cell phone numbers, and so these sexually explicit text messages going back and forth is really the communication avenue that they took," said David.


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"I found out through a text message and I notified Orange Police Department," said Christine.

Police arrested Peterson coming out of a riverbed in Orange, where he is suspected of regularly meeting the victim to have sex.

"She's still spiraling out of control. She's still basically brainwashed by him," said Christine.

Christine's family attorney suspects there may be other victims.

"He had known that the police were investigating him for several months and despite that fact, he still was caught with her again," said the vitcim's family attorney Vince Finaldi. "So that tells me he's very bold in what he was doing."

"Mr. Peterson is naturally very ashamed of this entire matter. Just now, his thoughts are of the students, the faculty and staff at Orange High School and hopes that his misfortune does not degrade the reputation of that very fine institution," said Peterson's attorney, Andrew Lloyd.

Peterson was free on $100,000 bail. He is expected back in court in February.

Link (http://http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/orange_county&id=7872490)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 08, 2011, 08:11:59 PM
Substitute teacher charged with sex assault of student

Saturday, January 08, 2011
VINELAND - A substitute teacher has been charged with aggravated sexual assault of a student at a party, according to Vineland police.

Remarno O. Chambers, 27, of Vineland, is charged with one count of aggravated sexual assault.

Chambers is accused of assaulting the student at a party attended by high school students after supplying the alleged victim with "alcohol and/or drugs," according to police.

Chambers was lodged at Cumberland County Jail on $250,000 bail. He is expected to be arraigned sometime next week.

Chambers had been a substitute teacher at Vineland High School South, on East Chestnut Avenue. Vineland Public Schools spokesman John Sbrana stated he had been teaching there since September 2010.

The spokesman said Chambers was subject to a background check, which he passed, before he was hired.

Sbrana stated he could not comment on Chambers current employment status with the school district, adding the school board will review the case and come to a decision at a later date.

"He's not in the classroom, I can tell you that," he said.

It remained unclear as of Friday where the victim, whose name and age have not yet been released by investigators, goes to school.

Police say they are trying to determine if any other students may have been victims.

According to records available at Cumberland County Courthouse, Chambers had been charged in July 2006 with assault. However, the offense was later downgraded to municipal court.

The records list Chambers address at that time as West Chestnut Avenue, in Vineland.

The Vineland Police Department's Criminal Division and the Cumberland County Prosecutor's Office investigated the case
http://http://www.nj.com/bridgeton/index.ssf?/base/news-12/1294463422206420.xml&coll=10
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 09, 2011, 08:44:54 AM
Third student's relationship with teacher investigated

January 07, 2011
The Forsyth County Sheriff's Office is investigating a third possible case against a Jefferson Middle School math teacher who has been charged with sexual offenses involving two girls at the school.

The sheriff's office is trying to retrieve about 1,000 text messages exchanged between Mark Tobin Mercer and the third girl, Maj. Brad Stanley, a spokesman for the sheriff's office, said Thursday.

The content of those messages will determine whether additional criminal charges will be filed, Stanley said.

A story Thursday in the Winston-Salem Journal incorrectly reported that the 1,000 text messages were exchanged with one of the two students named in the warrants alleging 29 counts of sexual offenses. Those two students' parents went to Winston-Salem police Sunday with concerns about the nature of the girls' relationships with Mercer.

Mercer, 23, of 805 Ellington Drive, was charged Tuesday with 13 counts of statutory rape, eight counts of felony sex offense with a student and eight counts of taking indecent liberties. Police say the incidents occurred off campus between Oct. 1 and Dec. 28. Mercer was being held Thursday afternoon in the Forsyth County Jail with bond set at $1.2 million. He is scheduled to appear in court Jan. 21.

In the third case, which is being handled by the sheriff's office, the mother of the girl who exchanged the large number of texts with Mercer discovered them on her daughter's phone on Dec. 28. The parent called a Winston-Salem/Forsyth County school system administrator, who met with the parent, Jefferson Principal Brad Royal and Jefferson's school resource officer, who is a Forsyth County sheriff's deputy.

The parent could see the number of messages but could not read them, Superintendent Don Martin said.

The excessive number of texts violated the system's Internet policy, which calls for minimal individual contact between teachers and students, and Martin said he advised school administrators to draft a letter suspending Mercer with pay.

After the criminal charges investigated by Winston-Salem police came to light, the school system suspended Mercer without pay. Martin said he will recommend to the school board that the teacher be fired.

As of Thursday afternoon, police said they knew of no other potential cases linked to Mercer.
Link (http://http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2011/jan/07/wsmain01-third-students-relationship-with-teacher--ar-673379/)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 09, 2011, 04:13:08 PM
Teacher-student sex cases rise in US
Jan 8, 2011

Incidents of female teachers having sex with teenage students seem to be on the rise in the US, with the latest being that of a 27-year-old woman who has been arrested for allegedly making love with a 16-year-old pupil in her car.

Ashley Blumenshine was held behind a department store in Plainfield, Illinois, after police caught her in a car with the teenage student; cops believe they had sex shortly before the officers arrived, the Daily Mail online reported.

The dance and physical education teacher at Plainfield North High School is being held in custody charged with having sex with the student, a junior at the school. Her attorney has said that the unmarried teacher is innocent.

Will county state attorney's assistant Mary Fillipitch has said that both occupants admitted they had just engaged in consensual sexual intercourse. A condom was taken as evidence from the vehicle, the report said.

Blumenshine's just the latest scandal. Jennifer Riojas, 27, a teacher in Texas, was pregnant when arrested for sexual assault in November after allegedly having sex with a student, 16, in motels.

Similarly, social studies teacher Megan Baumann, 27, pleaded guilty to texting naked photos to three male students in Tennessee.

Another 40-year-old dance teacher Gina Watring of North Carlonia is serving a five-year jail term after pleading guilty in September to having sex with a 10-year-old student.

Carlie Rose Attebury, 31, who was a teacher in California, was convicted in November for having sex with a student under 16.

Marcie Rousseau, who was 33 and married when charged, is being tried for allegedly having sex with a student on five occasions. The 17-year-old testified that Rousseau told him she loved him, too, when he was 16.

Link (http://http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Teacher-student-sex-cases-rise-in-US/articleshow/7240081.cms)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 10, 2011, 12:33:47 PM
Garden City teacher gets 3-15 for sex with girl
Jan. 10, 2011

A former Garden City High School teacher was sentenced today to 3 to 15 years in prison and ordered to register as a sex offender under a plea agreement.

David E. Goscinski, 37, of Woodhaven pleaded guilty on Dec. 14 in Wayne County Circuit Court to one count of third-degree criminal sexual conduct for having sex with a 17-year-old female student, giving the girl obscene material and of using a computer to send the material to her.

He was originally charged with four counts of third-degree criminal sexual conduct with a student, a 15-year felony; distributing obscene material to a minor, a two-year felony, and using a computer to commit a felony, a two- to four-year felony.

Under today’s sentencing agreement, Judge James Chylinski also ordered Goscinski not to have any contact with the girl and to pay $60 to a crime victims’ fund. Chylinski assessed Goscinski $68 in state charges and gave him 67 days credit toward time served.

It was the second time in two months in which a Garden City teacher was sentenced for having sex with a student.

In November, former Garden City schoolteacher Virginia Homberg, 45, was sentenced to serve 10-25 years in prison for sexually assaulting a male student.

Wayne County Circuit Judge Timothy Kenny also ordered Homberg to serve three to 15 years for two counts of third-degree criminal sexual conduct. The sentences will be served concurrently.

Link (http://http://www.freep.com/article/20110110/NEWS02/110110032/1320/Garden-City-teacher-gets-3-15-for-sex-with-girl)




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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Froderik on January 10, 2011, 12:48:23 PM
Whooter, as much as I disagree with your opinions concerning the TTI, I'd be interested in your thoughts (if any) concerning the hype surrounding the shooting in AZ a couple of days ago...there's some commentary on Tacitus Realm, in the Tea Party thread.. thanks.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 10, 2011, 04:46:41 PM
DETROIT: Sex with pupil gets teacher 3-15 years
January 10, 2011

David Goscinski of Woodhaven was sentenced to three to 15 years in prison Monday under a plea agreement reached with Wayne County prosecutors.

Wayne County Circuit Judge James Chylinski also ordered Goscinski, 37, a former Garden City High School teacher, to register as a sex offender and to have no contact with the 17-year-old student involved.

Goscinski, who had been jailed, was given credit for 67 days already served.

The former teacher was charged with one count of third-degree criminal sexual conduct for having sex with the girl.

According to published reports, Goscinski allegedly had sexual contact with the student in September and October. He also is accused of sending obscene material over the Internet to the girl and using a computer to commit a felony.

Link (http://http://www.thenewsherald.com/articles/2011/01/10/none/doc4d2b588f6fafd238389506.txt)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 11, 2011, 12:23:37 PM
Former West Bend teacher gets 6 years for sex with student

Jan. 10, 2011

A former West Bend High School teacher was sentenced Monday to six years in prison, the maximum allowed under state law, to be followed by six years of extended supervision for sexually assaulting a student while a school employee, Washington County District Attorney Mark Bensen said.

Aaron Heroux, 27, was found guilty last October of two felony charges of sexually assaulting a student by school staff. He admitted to police that he had sexual contact and intercourse with the child.

The girl was 16 years old at the time of the assaults inside Heroux's former West Bend residence.

Heroux also faces a separate felony charge in Ozaukee County Circuit Court, where he is accused of repeated sexual assault of a child. The victim was a female relative, according to the Ozaukee County criminal

Link (http://http://www.jsonline.com/news/ozwash/113229684.html)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 11, 2011, 06:53:24 PM
Former Martin, Tenn., teacher gets 5 years for sex with minor student
January 11, 2011

A school teacher from Martin, Tenn., was sentenced today in Memphis to nearly 5 years in federal prison for taking an underage male student across the borders of several states for sex.

Stanley Wren Vickers, 45, a former soccer coach and teacher at Martin Middle School, pleaded guilty in October to having a sexual relationship between 2002 and 2005 with the student who was one of his players on the team.

The student was 14 when the relationship began and it continued when the student moved on to high school and Vickers transferred to the same school.

Authorities said Vickers used “dares and bets” to entice the boy to participate in sexual activities with him in hotels, church parking lots, football field concessions stands and at a shoe store in Sharon where they were nearly caught in the act.

Locations included St. Louis, Mo., Paducah, Ky., and various places in Tennessee.

U.S. Dist. Court Judge Bernice Donald sentenced Vickers to 71 months in prison and 35 years of supervision upon release.
Link (http://http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/jan/11/former-martin-tenn-teacher-gets-5-years-sex-minor/)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 12, 2011, 02:02:34 PM
Ex-teacher convicted in Calif student sex case
01/07/2011

FRESNO, Calif.—Jurors have convicted a former California high school teacher of 13 felonies for having sex with an underage student and exchanging sexually explicit text messages with other teenagers.

It took Fresno County jurors a day to reach guilty verdicts Thursday against Jonathan Malcolm, a former University High School music teacher. He faces up to 11 years in prison when he's sentenced March 21.

Malcolm testified during trial that he had a sexual relationship with his former student after she graduated in 2007, even though he knew she was 17 years old. He also admitted sending sex texts to two students, messages he described as inappropriate banter.

The Fresno Bee says the Malcolm is free on bail until sentencing, with an admonition from the judge to stay away from pornography and teenagers.


Link (http://http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_17034377?nclick_check=1)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 13, 2011, 10:32:47 AM
Former teacher gets probation for sex with student

January 12, 201

A former teacher at a Near West Side Christian high school was sentenced to 24 months of sex offender probation today after she pleaded guilty to having sex with one of her students.

Kathryn Vail-Wesley, 24, will be required to register on the state's sex offender registry and undergo specialized offender monitoring after she pleaded guilty to a single count of aggravated criminal sexual abuse, according to the Cook County state’s attorney’s office.

Vail-Wesley, a former world religion teacher at Chicago Hope Academy, was indicted on multiple counts of criminal sexual assault and aggravated criminal sexual abuse for allegedly having sex twice with the then-17-year-old student in fall 2008, state’s attorney spokesman Tandra Simonton said.

Vail-Wesley and the student had sex at her apartment and inside the school at 2189 West Bowler St., Simonton said.

The teacher's October 2008 arrest sparked an outcry from a victim's advocacy group that criticized the school's response to the incident. The teen's mother also claimed that school officials threatened her son with expulsion if he didn't withdraw. The victim’s mother filed a lawsuit against the school on behalf of her son.

Link (http://http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chibrknews-former-teacher-gets-probation-01122011,0,7659449.story)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Froderik on January 13, 2011, 10:36:21 AM
Where were these hot teachers back when i was in school?? That's what I wanna know.

I would have loved it if certain TILFs had tried me...  :nods:   :rofl:
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 15, 2011, 03:44:29 PM
Chicago Teacher Sentenced for Molesting Football Player
January 13, 2011

(http://http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2009/images9/2009_08_21_Wbbm_FormerStudent_ph_Kathryn.jpg)

Kathryn Vail-Wesley, a former private school teacher in Chicago, has been sentenced to two years of sex offender probation after admitting she molested a 17-year-old student.  The 24-year-old teacher received the sentence after she pleaded guilty to one count of aggravated criminal sexual abuse for the late 2008 incident involving the teen.

Vail-Wesley sexually assaulted the victim both at her home and in her classroom at Chicago Hope Academy, according to Cook County prosecutors

The case drew headlines in 2009 when the victim's mother revealed her son was forced out of school following revelations of the assault.

School officials refused to comment on the case when questioned by reporters.

"Chicago Hope Academy doesn't discuss school affairs in public," principal Mike Laneve told CBS affiliate WBBM. "We do that for the protection of the children and the families."

The then-star football player's mother said she was given an ultimatum a few days after the sexual assault allegations came to light.

School officials told her "that this was the last straw,'' recalled the player's mother, who asked not to be named. "He wasn't welcome back, that I could either take him out in good standing or they would expel him."

The mother said her son can be "mouthy," but she didn't know of any serious discipline problems at school. She eventually sent her son to a public school in Chicago's western suburbs.

Link (http://http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20028402-504083.html)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 16, 2011, 12:05:21 PM
Police: NJ substitute teacher drugged, raped male student
January 16, 2011

A Vineland man who works as a substitute teacher sexually assaulted an 18-year-old high school student after giving him "two small, round pills" during a post-Christmas party that also featured steady drinking, prosecutors said Friday.

The assault took place in the bed of the teacher, 27-year-old Remarno O. Chambers, who hosted a party at his State Street home Dec. 26, prosecutors allege.

The victim "immediately" lost consciousness after taking the pills, only to awake later as Chambers began to rape him, Cumberland County First Assistant Prosecutor Harold Shapiro said Friday during a bail hearing that offered graphic details of two incidents in which the educator is accused of illegal sexual contact with male teenagers.

The prosecution also divulged Chambers offered one pill to the second alleged victim, who is 17 years old, but the teen did not take the drug. Chambers molested that victim last May, authorities said.

Shapiro also disclosed detectives confiscated prescription drugs and marijuana when they searched Chambers' house.

After hearing the allegations, Cumberland County Superior Court Judge David Krell lowered Chambers' bail from $250,000 cash to $150,000 cash or bond. The state did not make "a compelling case" for the higher bail figure, Krell said.

The hearing offered the first public look at Chambers since his arrest in Vineland on Jan. 6. Authorities have charged him with aggravated sexual assault and aggravated criminal sexual contact.

Chambers was a substitute teacher at Vineland High School at the time of his arrest, but neither of his accusers attended VHS at the time of the crimes allegedly committed against them.

Defense attorney Wayne Powell said in court Friday that newspaper reports last week about Chambers' arrest in the sexual assault case involving the older teen might have led to the second complaint, suggesting it was unreliable.

Powell also claimed the existence of a witness who was in Chambers' bed the night of the more recent incident and can refute the allegation. He did not identify the witness.

Link (http://http://www.app.com/article/20110116/NEWS05/110116008/Police-NJ-substitute-teacher-drugged-raped-male-student-)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 17, 2011, 07:22:32 PM
Plainfield teacher charged with having sex with student
Woman and boy, 16, found in vehicle behind store, police say
January 05, 2011

(http://http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jlFkF_eRW2E/TSUZq-yUAzI/AAAAAAAAV9w/LIUFU8yKuXs/s1600/ashley.bmp)

A Plainfield North High School teacher charged with having sex with a 16-year-old student behind a store was ordered Wednesday not to have unsupervised contact with anyone under age 18.

Ashley M. Blumenshine, 27, of the 4000 block of Nutmeg Lane in Lisle, was charged with criminal sexual abuse after police said she had sex with a Plainfield North student on Tuesday night in a vehicle behind a department store on the 11800 block of South Illinois Highway 59 in Plainfield.

Police Chief Bill Doster said officers approached the scene about 6:20 p.m. when they noticed two suspicious vehicles "at the end of the lot away from anything else.

Link (http://http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01-05/news/ct-met-plainfield-teacher-charged-01020110105_1_substitute-teacher-plainfield-district-student)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 18, 2011, 10:44:35 AM
MS girl said coach demanded oral sex

Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011

A 14-year-old Albuquerque Public School student said a basketball coach at Tony Hillerman Middle School told her to perform oral sex on players. When she said no, he allegedly terrorized her. According to the police report, Tomas Vargas -- who's also a teacher's aide -- admitted it all.

The 19-year-old college student has worked at APS for five months.

The girl said she went to the basketball coach's office earlier this month to ask to be the team manager. She told police she was shocked when Vargas told her to perform oral sex on three boys. She said Vargas told her she needed to perform the acts to get the job.

When she said no and tried to leave, she said Vargas chased her around the room, grabbed her by the neck, and forced her head into one of the boy's laps. The head coach was not in the office at the time.

The boys confirmed the girl's story, telling police they thought Vargas was joking at first. They also told police the 19-year-old coach had made comments about girls at the school, calling some of them "hot."

Vargas told police he knew what he did was wrong, but said he sometimes forgets he's dealing with middle school students.

Vargas is on paid suspension during the investigation. He will go before a Metro Court Judge Tuesday on charges of false imprisonment and attempted criminal sexual penetration.

He will also have his APS disciplinary hearing Tuesday. He could be fired for his actions.



Link (http://http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/ms-girl-said-coach-demanded-oral-sex)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 19, 2011, 07:01:32 AM
Sunday School Teacher Charged With Molesting Teen
January 19, 2011

A Gwinnett County Sunday School teacher has been arrested for allegedly having sex with one of his students.

James Benjamin Harris, 33 of Lawrenceville, was booked into the Gwinnett County jail Tuesday night without bond.

Police told the Gwinnett Daily Post Harris met the student, now 14, three years ago at Brookwood Baptist Church near Lawrenceville. The student's parents told police the student-teacher relationship increased in recent months.

The boy's mother said Harris sent her son explicit text messages on a cell phone Harris gave him as a Christmas gift. The two also went on trips together, police said.

Gwinnett County jail records show Harris faces six felony counts of child molestation and one felony charge of enticing a child for indecent purposes.

Link (http://http://wsbradio.com/localnews/2011/01/sunday-school-teacher-charged.html)



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on January 19, 2011, 12:17:54 PM
I'll ask again since I've never gotten an answer.  This website is dedicated to the TTI.  What the hell do public schools have to do with the TTI?  More deflection and distraction.  Shocking!  ::)
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 19, 2011, 12:20:33 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I'll ask again since I've never gotten an answer.  This website is dedicated to the TTI.  What the hell do public schools have to do with the TTI?  More deflection and distraction.  Shocking!  ::)

This thread includes abuses from Public school and Programs.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on January 19, 2011, 12:26:06 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I'll ask again since I've never gotten an answer.  This website is dedicated to the TTI.  What the hell do public schools have to do with the TTI?  More deflection and distraction.  Shocking!  ::)

This thread includes abuses from Public school and Programs.


Yes, I get that.....but why?  This website has nothing to do with public schools yet you insist on cramming them in here.  Why?
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 19, 2011, 12:28:03 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I'll ask again since I've never gotten an answer.  This website is dedicated to the TTI.  What the hell do public schools have to do with the TTI?  More deflection and distraction.  Shocking!  ::)

This thread includes abuses from Public school and Programs.


Yes, I get that.....but why?  This website has nothing to do with public schools yet you insist on cramming them in here.  Why?

It gives us all a feel for how much abuse is out there.  I am looking at the risks of sending kids to public school and programs alike.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on January 19, 2011, 12:28:57 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
I'll ask again since I've never gotten an answer.  This website is dedicated to the TTI.  What the hell do public schools have to do with the TTI?  More deflection and distraction.  Shocking!  ::)

This thread includes abuses from Public school and Programs.


Yes, I get that.....but why?  This website has nothing to do with public schools yet you insist on cramming them in here.  Why?

It gives us all a feel for how much abuse is out there.  I am looking at the risks of sending kids to public school and programs alike.


Like I said.....deflecting attention away from programs.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 19, 2011, 12:35:23 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"


Like I said.....deflecting attention away from programs.

Translated:  You dont understand.

Just skip over the threads that are over your head, Anne, dont get yourself worked up.



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Title: work to consume
Post by: Froderik on January 19, 2011, 12:40:40 PM
On the other hand, if you look at the origins of the public school system, you realize public schools and programs seem to have a certain amount of things in common with one another.. (I'm thinking of the stuff I've read by that ex-teacher from Brooklyn.. that it was set up by leaders of the industrialist class to control the minds of the young..)
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Anne Bonney on January 19, 2011, 01:42:57 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"


Like I said.....deflecting attention away from programs.

Translated:  You dont understand.

Just skip over the threads that are over your head, Anne, dont get yourself worked up.


Oh please.....don't flatter yourself.  I understand quite well.  You don't come near "working me up".  That would be like getting worked up over a Palin-American, a/k/a, retarded kid.
Title: Re: work to consume
Post by: Anne Bonney on January 19, 2011, 01:45:27 PM
Quote from: "Froderik"
On the other hand, if you look at the origins of the public school system, you realize public schools and programs seem to have a certain amount of things in common with one another.. (I'm thinking of the stuff I've read by that ex-teacher from Brooklyn.. that it was set up by leaders of the industrialist class to control the minds of the young..)

Agreed, but at least they're not isolated from the outside world or any touchstone thereof.
Title: Re: work to consume
Post by: Froderik on January 19, 2011, 02:28:08 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Froderik"
On the other hand, if you look at the origins of the public school system, you realize public schools and programs seem to have a certain amount of things in common with one another.. (I'm thinking of the stuff I've read by that ex-teacher from Brooklyn.. that it was set up by leaders of the industrialist class to control the minds of the young..)

Agreed, but at least they're not isolated from the outside world or any touchstone thereof.

Right, but people's minds are already isolated enough from reality by the system, that it almost precludes a need for physical isolation...lol.. in order to implement a certain level of control over their minds, they only need to require that people attend their schools... (You see the evidence of this sort of brainwashing by omission when you examine a history text-book from just about any public school...)
Title: Re: work to consume
Post by: seamus on January 19, 2011, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Froderik"
On the other hand, if you look at the origins of the public school system, you realize public schools and programs seem to have a certain amount of things in common with one another.. (I'm thinking of the stuff I've read by that ex-teacher from Brooklyn.. that it was set up by leaders of the industrialist class to control the minds of the young..)

Agreed, but at least they're not isolated from the outside world or any touchstone thereof.

Right, but people's minds are already isolated enough from reality by the system, that it almost precludes a need for physical isolation...lol.. in order to implement a certain level of control over their minds, they only need to require that people attend their schools... (You see the evidence of this sort of brainwashing by omission when you examine a history text-book from just about any public school...)

I had a conversation just t'other day with a retired professor on how history texts rely on lies of omission, to corrupt the thinking of what the real culture of america is,and isnt.Funny the coincidence.He turned me on to a cool book on the battle of Agincourt also. Maybe I need to spend (gasp) more time in starbucks,and,(double gasp) less on a barstool. :eek:
Title: Re: work to consume
Post by: Anne Bonney on January 19, 2011, 02:53:13 PM
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Froderik"
On the other hand, if you look at the origins of the public school system, you realize public schools and programs seem to have a certain amount of things in common with one another.. (I'm thinking of the stuff I've read by that ex-teacher from Brooklyn.. that it was set up by leaders of the industrialist class to control the minds of the young..)

Agreed, but at least they're not isolated from the outside world or any touchstone thereof.

Right, but people's minds are already isolated enough from reality by the system, that it almost precludes a need for physical isolation...lol.. in order to implement a certain level of control over their minds, they only need to require that people attend their schools... (You see the evidence of this sort of brainwashing by omission when you examine a history text-book from just about any public school...)

Agreed somewhat, but I still think there's NO comparison between what kids in programs endure and what public school kids experience.
Title: Re: work to consume
Post by: Whooter on January 19, 2011, 03:19:23 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Froderik"
On the other hand, if you look at the origins of the public school system, you realize public schools and programs seem to have a certain amount of things in common with one another.. (I'm thinking of the stuff I've read by that ex-teacher from Brooklyn.. that it was set up by leaders of the industrialist class to control the minds of the young..)

Agreed, but at least they're not isolated from the outside world or any touchstone thereof.

Right, but people's minds are already isolated enough from reality by the system, that it almost precludes a need for physical isolation...lol.. in order to implement a certain level of control over their minds, they only need to require that people attend their schools... (You see the evidence of this sort of brainwashing by omission when you examine a history text-book from just about any public school...)

Agreed somewhat, but I still think there's NO comparison between what kids in programs endure and what public school kids experience.

I think it makes a good comparison.  At least we can take a look at the instances of abuse in these schools.



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Title: Re: work to consume
Post by: Froderik on January 19, 2011, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Froderik"
On the other hand, if you look at the origins of the public school system, you realize public schools and programs seem to have a certain amount of things in common with one another.. (I'm thinking of the stuff I've read by that ex-teacher from Brooklyn.. that it was set up by leaders of the industrialist class to control the minds of the young..)

Agreed, but at least they're not isolated from the outside world or any touchstone thereof.

Right, but people's minds are already isolated enough from reality by the system, that it almost precludes a need for physical isolation...lol.. in order to implement a certain level of control over their minds, they only need to require that people attend their schools... (You see the evidence of this sort of brainwashing by omission when you examine a history text-book from just about any public school...)

Agreed somewhat, but I still think there's NO comparison between what kids in programs endure and what public school kids experience.

I'm sorry if I inadvertently muddied the waters in the debate you were having with Whooter; that wasn't my intention...
Title: Re: work to consume
Post by: Anne Bonney on January 19, 2011, 03:28:15 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Froderik"
On the other hand, if you look at the origins of the public school system, you realize public schools and programs seem to have a certain amount of things in common with one another.. (I'm thinking of the stuff I've read by that ex-teacher from Brooklyn.. that it was set up by leaders of the industrialist class to control the minds of the young..)

Agreed, but at least they're not isolated from the outside world or any touchstone thereof.

Right, but people's minds are already isolated enough from reality by the system, that it almost precludes a need for physical isolation...lol.. in order to implement a certain level of control over their minds, they only need to require that people attend their schools... (You see the evidence of this sort of brainwashing by omission when you examine a history text-book from just about any public school...)

Agreed somewhat, but I still think there's NO comparison between what kids in programs endure and what public school kids experience.

I think it makes a good comparison.  At least we can take a look at the instances of abuse in these schools.

Which has nothing to do with what goes on inside programs.
Title: Re: work to consume
Post by: Anne Bonney on January 19, 2011, 03:28:44 PM
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Froderik"
On the other hand, if you look at the origins of the public school system, you realize public schools and programs seem to have a certain amount of things in common with one another.. (I'm thinking of the stuff I've read by that ex-teacher from Brooklyn.. that it was set up by leaders of the industrialist class to control the minds of the young..)

Agreed, but at least they're not isolated from the outside world or any touchstone thereof.

Right, but people's minds are already isolated enough from reality by the system, that it almost precludes a need for physical isolation...lol.. in order to implement a certain level of control over their minds, they only need to require that people attend their schools... (You see the evidence of this sort of brainwashing by omission when you examine a history text-book from just about any public school...)

Agreed somewhat, but I still think there's NO comparison between what kids in programs endure and what public school kids experience.

I'm sorry if I inadvertently muddied the waters in the debate you were having with Whooter; that wasn't my intention...

No worries. :cheers:
Title: Re: work to consume
Post by: Whooter on January 19, 2011, 03:42:06 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

Which has nothing to do with what goes on inside programs.

I think you may be right.  The instances of abuse so far have been all public schools.  There have been no reported abuses inside of programs so far.  When one does occur it can be recorded here in this thread.



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Title: Re: work to consume
Post by: Froderik on January 19, 2011, 03:44:42 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
I think it makes a good comparison.  At least we can take a look at the instances of abuse in these schools.

Thank you, Whooter, I'll add that the comparison contains truth beyond just instances of abuse, though..Supposedly, the school system had what has been referred to as the "'fourth purpose.' which had more to do with "making servants of corporate and political management" and "the mechanism of mind control training, habits, and attitudes. . . factory schools" than it did education in the true sense of the word.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history2.htm (http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history2.htm)
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 20, 2011, 10:23:26 AM
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "Whooter"
I think it makes a good comparison.  At least we can take a look at the instances of abuse in these schools.

Thank you, Whooter, I'll add that the comparison contains truth beyond just instances of abuse, though..Supposedly, the school system had what has been referred to as the "'fourth purpose.' which had more to do with "making servants of corporate and political management" and "the mechanism of mind control training, habits, and attitudes. . . factory schools" than it did education in the true sense of the word.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history2.htm (http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history2.htm)

Frod thanks for that link!  I remember reading something like this years ago about the schools being testing grounds for corporate products....  good stuff.  cant wait to read this again.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Froderik on January 20, 2011, 10:37:03 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Frod thanks for that link!  I remember reading something like this years ago about the schools being testing grounds for corporate products....  good stuff.  cant wait to read this again.

Home schooling is probably the best route parents can take in educating their children.
Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 20, 2011, 10:41:55 AM
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Frod thanks for that link!  I remember reading something like this years ago about the schools being testing grounds for corporate products....  good stuff.  cant wait to read this again.

Home schooling is probably the best route parents can take in educating their children.

I agree, we have taken this route ourselves with our younger children.  It just eliminates so many problems in the childs life and keeps them with their family where they belong.  Why just automatically ship the kids off to someone else for no reason...  take a cut in pay and keep them home.



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Title: Re: Public School and Program Abuse
Post by: Whooter on January 20, 2011, 07:35:43 PM
Irving Elementary Teacher Michael DSpain Allegedly Had Sex with Student
Wednesday, 19 Jan 2011


A North Texas teacher allegedly had a sexual relationship with a former student.

Dallas police on Tuesday arrested 36-year-old Michael DSpain at Farine Elementary School in the 600 block of Metker Street in Irving.

According to investigators, the relationship took place last year when DSpain was a teacher at Booker T. Washington High School in Dallas. They said it likely began in about February and ended in May.

The student later told family members, police said.

DSpain is charged with improper relationship between an educator and student, a second-degree felony. He was being held on a $100,000 bond.

Investigators did not release the name of the student.

Link (http://http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/011911-Irving-Elementary-Teacher-Michael-DSpain-Allegedly-Had-Sex-with-Student)



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