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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: wanderingjew on June 30, 2010, 04:53:31 PM
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Hi All!
I was at the State Road 84 Concentration Camp,I mean "The Seed", from like late 76 to early 1980. I f you ever got sick there,then you met my dad, as he was the seed doctor during that time( and for a few years after. My parent's will was way weaker than mine!)
I learned to look to myself for my self-worth, rather then seek the approval of others. Lord knows, no one there (staff-wise) ever doted on my good qualities!
About the only good thing I can say about being there was that I learned patience. Having the ability to stand emotionless for hours at a time, while someone yelled in your face and told you what a worthless piece of shit you were came in handing during Arm Basic Training! And being at the seed left me prepared for meeting other "Im better than god" cult of personality types later in life.(In the Army , we called 'em officers!)
And I did make some good friendships, people that I've partied with the rest of my life !
And yeah, I was a "volunter staff member" for a while. "Volunter, as in: we want to keep you around so your dad will continue to give us free medical service, and and we can continue to house newcommers, oldtimers and weekenders at your parent's house.
Speaking of which, anybody still remember playing bumper pool, air hockey, pachinko or the player-piano we had in the downstairs playroom? Yeah, that was my house. My parents still live there. Well, my mom anyway. My dad died last year from a brain tumor. Too bad Art wasnt around to tell the tumor it was full of shit, that would "cured" my dad Im sure.
Well, I hope someone reads this msg and responds, prefrebly one of you assholes who still thinks singing "Jingle-fucking-Bells" every single day was gonna do something besides make he hate that song to this day! :soapbox:
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"slow news days", huh?
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Slow news days Indeed. What was your M.O.S ? How long you been out? Expiring minds want to know. J.O.M.
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I was a 19D Cav Scout, I got out in '85
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I was a 19D Cav Scout, stationed in Germany and Texas.I got out in '85
"Fear is a reaction, Courage is a decsion"
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pathfinder? J.O.M.
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WJ
I knew you at SR84; I lived at Cranbrook then. Sorry to hear about your dad. He probably thought he was doing good like so many of the other people who facilitated the seed - seemed like a nice enough guy. Saw him for some ailment once - never made it to his house, but I think it was his Winnebago I worked on a couple of times.
He was kept far enough away from the dirt, like the cleveland lawyer was, so that they could keep them around and manage their perceptions (I got in a world of shit for contacting the lawyer outside the "proper channels" so I imagine the same held for your dad).
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JG
My parents had that motorhome until the late,late 1980's! Like +20 yrs old when they sold it. And thanks for the words on my dad.
Stayed in touch with several people over the years that were there with me.(Marc G. Derek & Yolanda G., Rich F.) Though a few have moved away, one died and one just, "went". Still good frnds with the younger(non-seedling) brother of one.
As to my military service: I was recon. Armored unit in FRG and an Air Cav unit in Tx( think "Flight of the Valkyries")
Hope that is more specific.
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Hell, Yeah! The army within the army! I never was service, myself, Did a lot of contract work for various enforcement agencies, so i worked with some of your guys, so to speak. A lot of respect, here. a lot.I guess 'pathfinder' evolved into re-con and combat control, worked with a former combat/control combat rescue, one of the funniest, toughest men I knew. I knew a former pathfinder in ga., a pediatrician, a hell of a good doctor, and a fierce and funny guy. I can only hope i'm as fierce and as funny, but probably not. Welcome. Feel free to add reason to these discussions. J.O.M.
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Is it the same marc G who lived in the hollywood "apartments" (two little houses next to each other owned by Hanks parents?) for a little while? His dad did something at the Diplomat hotel.
He was a hoot, then he disappeared, wondered what happened to him - knew better than to ask
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:nods:
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Jonny G
Yeah, same Marc. He joined the Army Reserve(weekend warrior, hated it). He and I lived together with this girl for a while. Then I went to Europe, came back and we hung out for a few years. My wife even dated him for a while. Last time I heard from his mom, he was married with children and living in Ga. On a farm. with horses. A real honest to god redneck jew.
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For a while there he was always bringing home another pet - fish to ferrets, so now he has built up to horses!
Can't say I'm on a farm, but I am in GA (Atlanta area) - would like to get in touch if with anyone from that era that might be in the area
I always find it interesting to catch back up with people in a free environment, see what was really going on.
JG
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Yeah, we were three in a one room apt and he brings home a puppy one day! I was working nights, so Im trying to sleep during the day and I got this puppy breath in my face, wanting to play all day. I didnt know wheather to kill him or the dog or both! :poison:
Later he met this girl who bred pit-bulls. That was right after Dade County banned them, so naturally he gets a pitbull puppy!
We stayed friends for years and years until finally one day we had a falling out and havnt talked/seen to him him since. That was like 1989, 1990.
The only one I knew who had his phone number was Derek G, and he died from a stroke/heart attack like 3 years ago, while on vacation here from Hawaii. Real shame, but he told me , like two days before he died, that this was the best vacation he had ever had. Cried for days afterward. His sister Yolonda, has been MIA for years, she went off the deep,deep end back in the 80's and never made it back to the light of reason.
Well, here's to fallen heros. :cheers:
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Hey NF,
I was so sorry to hear about your Dad. I think your parents were a copuple of my favorite folks. They just don't come any nicer. You Mom always made me feel like a million bucks. She used to call me "The All Americn Kid" which was so far from what I was, but made me feel really good about myelf. I've also thought about MG often also. Sorry also to hear about Derek G. I am glad everything went well for you, you were always a super bright kid. Take Care.
Terry K. (Terry the guy not Terry M) in case your trying to figure it out. :nods:
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Thanks Terry for the thoughts. I miss him everyday. By the way,You'll pleased to know my mom and I actually get along now! No, more yelling, screaming, wanting to kill/maim/dis-own each other! Took, like 20 yrs! Started right around the time I got married,. And after our daughter was born and she was sooo surprised what a good father I turned out to be,, well that the deal maker! Last year, after my Dad died she came to rely heavly on me for a while. Its not the Waltons, mind you , but it works! 8)
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Hi wanderingjew. I remember you well. I was at the Seed from 76-77. Your dad got me a job doing yardwork at the hospital where he worked. Sorry to hear about your loss. Glad to see you're doing well. You came to this forum a little late though. There were lots of good and often heated duscussions a few years ago. I think everyone sort of said their peace and lost interest. I guess there's only so much to be said but I found this site very helpful at one time. I was surprised to find people still so divided about the Seed and how so many different people could have such different experiences. One person swears it made them a better person while others swear it destroyed their lives. I guess I'm somewhere in-between. I don't hate anyone involved. Staff members were all victims too, imo. But being at the Seed remains the worst period of my life (so far) and I'd hate to see anyone sent to a similar program. Take care N.
BTW Terry, I'm up to 5 grandchildren now. Hope you both are well.
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cograts. Gramps.
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Yeah, one of those worst of times/not so best of times deals. Some good people/much fear. Was just amazed that there was an actual blog, feel cheated that I missed out on the "high times" of the site. Well as the say no sense: ::deadhorse::
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Thanks, like Ive said, I met some really nice people the years I was there and I made some really good friends.
The first 6months there I would have "drank the kool-aid" if Art has asked me to, but then I started to notice that things were not always as presented. I slowly started to see that , their (Art, Libby, staff's ) answers to things were mostly just canned responces to everything and questioning the the way things were done , merely resulted in me being told the I had a bad attitude or my thinking was was full of shit or something along thoose lines.
At 15,16 yrs old, I didnt need a Phd to know that when Im told theirs only one side or one way of doing something, that thats just a cop out. Later in life, the cause and effect was that I questioned EVERYTHING, every conventionial wisdon I came across.
Everyone had to PROVE to me that this or that was the way something should be done. I wasnt about to take anyones word for it. Which, in itself wasnt all that bad. I just didnt get along with as many people, but the people I DID get along with , are the one that Im still friends with today. And THEY are doctors, lawyers, housemoms, teachers, mechanics, etc.
Not that we always see eye to eye, but we dont deride each others views because we dont agree or plant our feet in the sand and say: NO!, only MY way is the correct way.
Ya know, I ve been married for 18 yrs now, and my marrage works well for my wife and me. It dosent mean that it would work with an other couple, ya know what I mean? Everyone is diff. Okay now Im getting all soap-boxy and shit ,So I"ll close now before I start to ramble.
Peace to all, and what dont kill ya....usually makes ya puke! ::puke:: ----sorry , Im a sucker for thoose emotes!
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Wandering Jew: If all things are true, then no thing is true, furthermore, what did'nt kill me usually made me shake and puke for a few days, and sometimes made me deaf for a while.
J.O.M.
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Stack, My dear friend, that Libbie,Libbie,Libbie at the end caught me by surpise! i almost pee'd! Truly: roflmao!!! :roflmao:
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Libbie Libbie Libbie.... on the ..... tis very funny... :cheers: :roflmao: :rocker: :rofl: :whip:
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I think Libbie should be canned.... I see a t :roflmao: :rocker: :rofl: :whip: roll....
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Libby was so short and powerless..... she actually looked funny in high shoes. No one liked her... imagine never being liked... :roflmao: :rocker: :rofl: :rofl: :whip:
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Libby you got old.... omgosh...... and you still look funny in high shoes... :roflmao: :rocker: :rofl: :whip:
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