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Messages - sullyceltic
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« on: July 01, 2001, 10:00:30 PM »
Re: All of you bare your souls, but leave MY kids alone!!!!
this brings to mind something that i'm sure has been
discussed here before. if anyone has been to scottm's site,
which is temporarily down, then you've seen the promotional video for straight that features the branch that scott and i were in, new england.
before the footage of the inside of 53 evans drive flashes before your glasseys, you will viddy an endorsement from
our president, at the time, george bush, sr.
now the bush kid and the fake i.d. story has died down and the nation is concerned with condit-levy. but what i wonder is that at anytime during the bush kid/fake i.d. thing, did the word "straight" or any of its decendants get tossed around?
i wonder... if it ever crossed sr's mind that he had done an endorsement for straight? and if he thought about that when his grand daughter was in that little fake i.d. fiasco?
did this ever cross anyone elses mind?
??
sully
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« on: June 01, 2001, 04:51:37 PM »
Straight, Boston.
anyone out there from straight new england?
i was there 12/87 - 9/89
the building is now Hartford Roofing co.
Edited by: sullyceltic at: 8/24/01 5:18:45 pm
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« on: July 01, 2001, 04:16:31 PM »
Re: Pathway Family Centers
i just took at look at the pathway family centers
website. sounds a lot like straight. a few things...
what about the speaking engagements we had to do?
does anyone else remember that stuff? being on 4th or
5th phase and going to some middle school or highschool
to give a talk about straight. pathway seems to have that
same idea too. ever heard the expression "don't worry
about the horse going blind, just load the ****ing wagon"?
that's what we were doing. we cheerfully did straights
bidding while intense paranoia raced through our body
preventing us from breathing a single negative comment
about "the program" - because if we did, it was back to front
row, again.
i've talked about this before, but how come we couldn't see a
priest or rabbi? howcome, now matter what out religious
affiliation, there were no services or clergy made available to
us? this has recently bothered me a lot. i am just your
garden variety catholic, baptized and confirmed, by no strech a regular church goer. but if one is in the middle of some
kind of crisis, as i was, would it not make sense to occasionally see a priest for counseling?
i know that if i was in group saying this half the room would be motiovating, ready to blast me. saying things like "you don't need to worry about religion, you need to work on getting better, and accepting your alcoholism"
i may give pathway a call this afternoon and ask them if
their clients can see a priest if they ask.
sullyceltic
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« on: August 01, 2001, 06:54:09 PM »
Re: Question for everyone
that sounds like a very good idea! not that i know
anything about how difficult or easy that may be,
but i think that makes sense.
i think that the more things that will pop up when
you type in "straight" or "straight inc" into your
garden variety search engine, the better! could probably
get a little more traffic.
"as I slooshied, i knew such lovely pictures"
-Alexander deLarge
A Clockwork Orange
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« on: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM »
hey scott!
hey scott buddy!!! i'm in boston this week!! your cell phone was still not working the last time i tried. what is up? wanna hook up for lunch tomorrow? how's your girlfriend? how about those CELTICS baby!!?!?!?!?!? 2nd place in the atlantic!!!!
oh, i wanted to tell you something too.... while i was at the Celts game wednesday night, you know how they welcome different groups to the fleetcenter...? well one of the groups that had their name up on the jumbotron was E___ School!!! remember all those threads many months ago?
anyway, just kind of interesting...
12 or 13 years ago, that could have been us on a, what did they call it, "5th phase outing"? that would be funny... "please welcome, the kids from straight, incorporated" - and then we'd all stand up and cheer - brainwashed so that we were trained to behave like that - never say anything bad about the program, right???
anyway, call me or email me... remember my number? my email is [email protected]
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« on: August 01, 2001, 02:54:12 PM »
the NY Giants
the following has nothing to do with straight...
so if you don't like sports, just disregard this post.
i think that the giants have a pretty easy schedule.
they open in denver on the first monday night game
of the season, then are back in new jersey to play
the packers. after that, smooth sailing.
the only division opponent that will give the giants
any real trouble will be dallas. why? - because they
always do. maybe the games with the eagles will
be a bit tough too. the eagles have really turned
their team around, and they could make noise
in the NFC this year.
but this is the last season that the G-men will see
arizona as divisional opponents, so they need to
take advantage of those games. no shaking hands
and hugging here - just go out sack plummer 6 times
and romp 'em 41-6.
the giants waited till the biggest game of the year to
play their worst game of football. the giants looked worse
in the superbowl than they did when they were clobbered
by detroit at home last season 31-21. kerry collins did throw
for 350 yard in the game, but tiki barber was held to only 30
on the ground. any giants fan who watched that game knew that the giants looked like garbage that day. but remeber what head coach jim fassel said after that game? "this team is going to the playoffs" - remember that?
the giants are my team. i stay with them no matter what.
that is what a fan is. no switching sides here.
my advice to NFL fans for this season:
watch the games, enjoy being with your friends, don't drink and drive, and write a letter to the league office expressing your disgust with the NFL's "black-out" rule.
happy game watching everyone!
"as I slooshied, i knew such lovely pictures"
-Alexander deLarge
A Clockwork Orange
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« on: August 01, 2001, 08:05:29 PM »
Re: straight
yeah jeff, i wasn't in for as long as you, but i know of
what you speak. i went into straight, new england, on december 20th 1987, and got out in september of 1989.
i remember those ***king friday night reviews too. paul h. would do them when i first got there. everybody would get yelled at. everyone would motivate to yell at everyone else.
then at the end of a review, they'd stand up some so-called
"kiss-ass", i always just thought that those people were
just doing what they could to get the #@#@ out of there.
they'd yell at them, tell them they were being fake, tell them they needed to get honest with themselves - remember all of that? they'd turn red, then someone would yell at them claiming that they "looked full of s***".
but we continued to motivate. flapping our arms, hoping that it wouldn't be us that got stood up next.
to this day, if my boss leaves me a message saying "see me when you get in", i get that same sinking feeling that i used to on monday and friday nights. as someone said on the yahoo board, "that voice in the back of your head - that's straight".
and those blank walls with just those signs on them. the steps. the serenity prayer. the 3 signs. the 5 criteria. the staff room.
the fifth phase desk - remember you couldn't look at it? the mystery meat dinners. eating pbj's for lunch for months on end. and spending all that time in that building. the bus rides. looking at the billboards, hoping that you might be mildly entertained by one of them, then feeling guilty and reporting yourself for it. watching your parents come in for open meeting when you were on first phase - that always hit me. after i "copped-out" after being there for 6 months, i didn't even feel anything when i would listen to my parents "on the mic" in open meeting. i knew that i was going to be there until i graduated, or i turned 18.
lining up "facing forward, heel-to-toe". no cigarettes. no music. just you, all the kids in group, the staff, and the building. i learned a lot while i was there. but most of all,
i learned not to care. maybe i deserved to be there. i know i needed something. maybe i did need straight. but watching kids come in and being introduced in the back of group, kids who had no business being there at all - that upset me.
kids that drank two or three times, and just happened to get caught. kids 15, 14, 13, i think i remeber a pair of 12 year olds in the group in my almost 2 years there.
and then listening to them get blasted in group. stood up,
yelled at, then they'd cry. after enough of that, they too were
broken and no longer cared what happened. they'd stand up after being started over off 2nd or 3rd phase in open meeting, with no emotion on their face. so young!!
not even high school age! but we were told to yell.
yell or get yelled at. that's all we did all day long. yell and talk about our past. coerced into confessing things that no one, save a priest, had any business knowing. all of our stories repeating themselves. telling eachother we could relate. never getting to talk to anyone in that god forsaken building. rap after rap after rap. looking with envy on the 2nd phaser and the two t&r's who were on clean-up crew.
the same ***t re-hashed everyday for us to digest. and share. standing people up for "friendships". the hours in the building were constant activity. song after song. thed'd make us sing when they needed a few minutes to think about what to do next, kind of like a time out in the NFL.
anyway, enough blabbing, and back to work.
have a great weekend everyone!!!!
"as I slooshied, i knew such lovely pictures"
-Alexander deLarge
A Clockwork Orange
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« on: December 01, 2001, 12:25:25 PM »
stoughton
yeah, paul. it's strange to think about all of this stuff after all of this time.
anyway, i'm headed up to boston next week. will be nice to get back and watch the celtics. i'm going to the game on the 23rd against memphis. the celtics should have 15 or 16 wins, not the 13 they have right now.
but second place in the atlantic division is not a bad place to be, even if it is only mid december.
talk to you soon, and go celtics!
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« on: December 01, 2001, 08:34:46 PM »
FYI on the edit..
just to let everyone know, i editted out my last name in my response on this thread.
thanks, rich "as I slooshied, i knew such lovely pictures"
-Alexander deLarge
A Clockwork Orange
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« on: December 01, 2001, 08:24:21 PM »
stoughton
hey paul, great to start to hear from a few straight new england people. if you are who i think you are, you had a brother in the program, right???
my name is rich, and i came in december 20, 1987. like you, i got that straight christmas present too.
anyway, i have a copy of the national geographic magazine! i was there then. i remember evening magazine show too.
do you remember aaron apgar? i found his obituary a few months ago online. he had a whole bunch of self-made tattoos and in group they'd make him wear long sleeve shirts...
the last time i was in boston, i actually drove down to the building. it's some roofing company now. i swear i could feel the ghosts around me in the parking lot while i was there.
glad to know that you are well. and hope to hear from you soon.
-rich
[email protected]
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« on: December 01, 2001, 02:41:21 PM »
straight stoughton
wow, interesting to hear from you leslie, i mean leigh.
i'm rich it has been a long time. are you still living in new england? i live a little east of alabama now.
quite a different world. i'm on the road now, but will email you some time soon.
sully Edited by: sullyceltic at: 12/11/01 5:31:24 pm
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« on: August 02, 2001, 01:49:50 AM »
Re: still supporting straight...
thanks scott. like you, when i get together with family,
the whole thing may come up again. sometimes it doesn't.
when i saw you in april, when i was up for my dad's 60th
b-day, nothing came up between my mom and i.
but when i met with her right before i left town on
monday, it was all there again.
i think indirectly bring it up sometimes too. maybe just out
of curiousity. too see if maybe she would say something
apologetic. i don't know. i think she has her regrets too,
be them buried in a campaign to save the world.
LOL...
but, i am a survivor. and despite what may well up in my eyes when i hear my mom still speak in NRA-like support of the program, i am a winner. i'm probably the luckiest man on the face of the earth. all due respect, mr. gerhig.
i got though all the s*&% and am still here to tell. i'm in good health and not working at a jiffy lube in wisconsin somewhere, right???
i guess what i have to realize, maybe what we all have to realize, is that even if we didn't go through straight, or kids,
or what-have-you, and even if we had a "great childhood" and never fought with our parents, we'd still - as adults -
disagree with them. maybe it's as simple as that...?
on another matter...
WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOING ON WITH THE RED SOX??
CAN THEY JUST WIN ONE GAME FOR CRYING OUT LOUD?
THE YANK-MEES LOSE BIG TODAY - AND THE SOX CAN'T EVEN BEAT ANAHIEM!!!??!?!?!?!?!
baseball is a funny thing, it all comes down to one word:
you never know.
"as I slooshied, i knew such lovely pictures"
-Alexander deLarge
A Clockwork Orange
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« on: August 01, 2001, 04:22:22 PM »
still supporting straight...
i was back home recently. and in conversation with my
mother, she revealed that she still believed that straight
was the best thing that happened to me - that it saved
my life.
it's a waste of time to even talk to her about what happened in my 20+ months there. she's such a staunch supporter of it.
my father at least realizes what was wrong, and admits that
he had doubts back then, about me being there for so long.
i respect that. but i am astounded to hear my mother speak, now, in the year 2001, so well of straight.
is it possible to ever have common ground here?
i don't exactly desire any kind of relationship with my family,
that's why i live almost 1,000 miles away from them.
but i'd love it if my mom could at least admit something...
anything... to me... that maybe even just a couple of times,
she questioned what was going in that warehouse.
any thoughts? "as I slooshied, i knew such lovely pictures"
-Alexander deLarge
A Clockwork Orange
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« on: May 01, 2001, 04:54:59 PM »
straightincorporated.com
whoever is the webmaster of straightincorporated.com
should change the link to the discussion board.
i would imagine that a lot of people, myself included,
found the discussion board from that site or wes or
gingers.
just a thought...
[email protected]
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« on: August 01, 2001, 08:16:25 PM »
Re: Five more clippings on Tranquility Bay....
thanks for posting that stuff, ken.
lots to discuss. but the last link, the response by
lisa, who says that people who work in those type
of places do what they do out of love and dedication-
that's a good one.
in my experience at straight, (new england 87-89) i
think it was almost a requirement to be on staff that
you be a power-hungry control freak. remember those
friday night reviews? it all goes with the territory. give
these people dominion over other creatures and this is
what happens. every once in a while we see on the news,
video tape of employees of some pet-sitting place abusing
the animals. we've all seen it. same thing at these places.
we get sent there, they brainwash us, we "come to believe"
the bulls**t, and if we're good enough - they bring us on
board to steer the ship. yell or get yelled at.
i can see that other mom's point about being willing to
do whatever to save their kid. but i have no kids, and will
not any time soon, so i can't really comment either way.
hell! maybe the program has done some good for some
people. i guess it did some good for me. but the bad always
outweighs the good in these places.
and there is something i find very wrong with transporting
people out of the US against their will. what happens at customs? what airline lets them do this? this is insane!!!
i know we/they were/are minors, but for ____'s sake,
isn't this the United States?
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