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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Re: Current HLA Staff
« on: August 22, 2009, 07:21:30 PM »
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
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Based on the government provisions anyone can dispense medication as long as they are under the supervision of someone who is licensed.

Exactly John, once again your own argument proves you wrong. HLA staff members working in the infirmary had no medical supervision. So by your own source they were in violation of the law. Thanks for doing our homework for us.  :cheers:

Not even just in the infirmary. Lee Parham used to have a tackle box of the kids meds, and he'd go to each dorm at night to dispense what they called "sleepy meds". It was the medication that was so powerful they had to bring it to the children in the dorm right before bed because it would have significant drowsiness that was a side effect.

Nurses would be LONG gone by this time of day on a week day, and did not work weekends. Medication was dispensed four times a day (morning, lunch, dinner, bedtime) 7 days a week. So there was a significant part of the day where there was no oversight whatsoever, and none on the weekends.

Wanna try again Who?

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Re: HLA Facebook Groups
« on: August 22, 2009, 07:09:10 PM »
I withdrew from here for a short while to work out the family issues that spurred from my mother posting here. I asked her not to post for a while because I know the kind of attacks and opinions her posts bring. The same ones that did when she posted here back in '06. My mother is a very... complicated person. Her life has been hard, and her communication skills aren't always in sync with the way other people communicate. This can be misinterpreted as ignorance or naivity.

She has some very important things that I believe this board and even myself need to hear. I am in the process of procuring documents from my time at Hidden Lake that were involved in my parents very very ugly divoce/custody battle that ranged from the mid to late 80's and continued on until I, the youngest of the children, turn 18. At that point, I was no longer leverage to either party and was for the most part left alone. But that doesn't clear up the history. Bringing things to light about Hidden Lake is of course a huge motive behind my wanting these documents from their divorce. But the secondary concern of mine is the truth I have been denied since all this mess started. Way, way before anyone decided to ship me off to a gulag.

So I ask for everyone's patience while my family comes to a place of stablity to where we can paint an accurate picture of what truly happened in the four years I was away, and HLA's part in all of it. Bucci's greed directly played off of the scenario my family found itself in, and he leveraged as much cash as possible out of both sides of my family. Q&Q got themselves involved and achieved awarding partial custody to a father who had already been investigated by Child Protective Services. He had never had custody in my then 15 years of life. He had lived in a state thousands of miles away my enitre childhood, and yet when the bill had to get paid, and one parent did not want me there, custody was then granted to the cashcow, my father. The direct opposite of my stay at home single mother, with NO assets at all, who WAS a fit mother. They played us all, and kept the cash flowing for all 23 months of my stay, with complete and utter disregard for my best interest.

No one is innocent in this story, and everyone had their part. I'll get the docs together, and see what I can find, because my view of the scenario was limited. What I do know, is the Judge presiding over the custody hearing is the same Judge Dugan who rejected a protective order to an abusive ex husband when he threatened to murder his children. He then did, weeks later in a Baltimore hotel, drowning all three kids.(http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2008 ... gedy35932/) He also ruled in favor of my father, and HLA's best interest.

But as I said. Story's coming, but vacation this week. I'll work to get everything together.

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Re: HLA Facebook Groups
« on: August 14, 2009, 07:02:27 PM »
Quote from: "redonkulous"
all i see here is attempted justification for complete and utter stupidity. NO education? really? why are you raising kids then? MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO! now your daughter IS FOLLOWING THE SAME EXACT PATH AS YOU!!!!!!!! (with just a few extra years of high school and a year of college under her belt....these days thats the exact equivalent of the education you went through). Falling for a man twenty years older than you? on completely different financial ground? WOW! THATS SMAAART!!! GOLDDIGGER!

Considering you had zero education, it's now absolutely clear to me how you were hoodwinked by the legal system. The System is designed to keep stupid people down and profit off them while allowing the smart ones through. From what it sounds like, you were scammed, and were too stupid to figure out a way out properly like normal people do. NO! you DID have a CHOICE. you made the WRONG CHOICES because you are TOO FUCKING STUPID to figure out the basics of life and also the legal system. you got the kids and husband got the assests? either you were too fucking stupid to put up a proper defense, or you were just too fucking stupid to put up a proper defense. PERIOD. now your daughter, "lacey", is following in your footsteps, raising a fucked up family way too early, not getting an education, and getting hoodwinked by the system (her mortgage, cough cough!).

I have come to the conclusion that lacey's mom has nothing of value to say. she's from the bottommest rung of society - the uneducated, illiterate baffoons who start families when they are teens. she cant even express the simple ideas she has without sounding like a rambling drunk, even when she tries her hardest not to. YOU HAVE ONLY YOURSELF TO BLAME!!!!!!!! HLA was just one of a long line of scams lacey's mom fell for, and i dont blame her. she's the dumbest of the dumb, the bottom of the bottom, among the most brainless of the brainless.

i'm not a pro-hla troll. I hate the place as much as anyone else. I just cant stand illiterate uneducated fools who blame other people for their own problems.
I especially cant stand fools who drop out of high school or college and start families as teenagers, expecting their husbands to pick up all the intellectual slack, and thinking life will be "just dandy!" when they have kids. yea. right.

you dug your own hole lacey's mom. deal with the consequences. dont come here with your drunken anti-system tirades, you dont even have the slightest clue how the system works. You just let one person after the other tell you things, and you believed everyone. HLA is just one of a long line of scams you were fucked on....PURELY BECAUSE YOU ARE DUMB AS A ROCK. dont bother coming back here untill you get your fucking diploma.

You know... I don't know why I'm being brought into this particular discussion. These personal attacks on me and my family are unwarrented and ugly. I don't know who you are or why you think you know so much about my life. My mortgage? I don't have one. My education level is irrelevant to the fight against hidden lake, the family I am raising is irrelevant to the fight against hidden lake, and so are these hypothetical truths you are purporting on this board. My husband has to pick up the intellectual slack? You've got to be joking.

Besides a one sentance post I made since my mother started posting here, I have left this board alone. This is an issue I cannot remain neutral on, and in most areas don't agree with her on. So instead of negatively impacting an important relationship, I said nothing. I don't know the truth of my history, or hers, so I can't make any statements about anything she's posted on. So I don't.

Redonkulus (or whatever), instead of attacking me or my life, which truly has absolutely nothing to do with you, why don't we try to stay on topic here. The fact that I'm a mother, or married, or didn't finish college, is truly none of your business. And you know what? Those things have no bearing on my posting here telling the truth about what happend to me at Hidden Lake. I can't imagine what you get out of attempting to rip me apart like that, especially when I see nothing you could possibly gain being a supporter of our cause here. So if that is in fact true, keep my personal life the fuck off the board. I didn't put it there, and if my mother did, talk to her about it. Maybe I will too.

I want no fucking part of this. Whoever you are, you are a sad, sad individual.

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Re: HLA Facebook Groups
« on: August 11, 2009, 06:57:54 PM »
Quote from: "lacey'smom"
how little pg54 counselor knew - lacey was court ordered - as of 08 10 2000 - the public school system (due to choices lacey made to manage her reactions to the stresses from ongoing family litigation from before she was born) referred her to RICA/Mark Twain..basically a low end public jail for teens...only through Children's Hospital contacts to Patricia Murphy, one of Bucci head goons, did Lacey avoid that hell and I get to slip her out of state to Utah...if pg54 counselor actually have "knowledge", they would have known the judge, GAL, and multiple law firms(Q&Q was small potatoes compared to these big boys/girls)that had total control over placement. The only reason my phone calls/contact could be controlled, under threat of jail, was that the Court was in complete control.  My being in jail would have made me completely unavailable upon her graduation.  Emotional screwballl?  ok, I can own that, but if you all here truly want to put forth better solutions, it would have had to have been years before HLA was in the picture.  With Patty Murphy in Bucci's pocket, and in cohoots with the GAL and the opposing law firm, there was no discussion on placement of "placement".  Patty Murphy tried to bribe me with issues being negotiated in an ongoing lawsuit, for NOT placing, but as the ed consult had no knowledge of the lack of reliability of the parties, it was ludicrous to "trust" her interference.
Solutions people - parents are reading with kids in the early stages of these challenges and I challenge you all to address better solutions than the ones i was offerred!!!!

I was court ordered? News to me. Thought HLA didn't take court ordered kids.  :wall:

Whatever.

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Re: HLA Facebook Groups
« on: August 10, 2009, 07:49:19 PM »
Quote from: "pg54counselor"
i do have kids. five of them, and they all turned out just fine. how did i manage that? i do not allow myself to project an image of an ideal child and then force my child into that mold. I let them develop on their own only with my support, encouragement, and wisdom. I put their well-being above all else. I have never in any way allowed myself to become a vilified figure to my children. The one common thing I found among kids at HLA is that every single one of them has vilified at least one parent-figure. This was a bit of a shock to me, and my kids were likewise shocked to hear about it. The concept of parental vilification is completely outside their comprehension. I live scrupulously while providing a comfortable lifestyle and secure future for my family. That does not mean a 9-5 job for my wife an i, HDTV's, five cars, and a mcmansion. it means a self sufficient family farm, total financial independence, strong family bonds, and a good education. Both my wife an I work at home, and my kids have helped out ever since each of of them was old enough to perform any given task. While my kids attended public school, i supplemented them with 10 extra hours a week of home schooling in subjects they missed in high school (and college too!): philosophy, ethics, psychology, law (constitutional law in particular), history and geography of nations other than the U.S, and more traditional subjects such as carpentry, various subjects applicable to living off the land, advanced social skills, marksmanship, archery, martial arts, among many other things. My kids did not grow up in your suburban, consumerist, fetishistic society. They did not spend their days roaming the mall outfitting themselves in the latest hot-topic gear in order to set themselves apart as much as possible from the abercrombie crowd, or vice versa. They rarely skipped school because with the supplementary homeschooling, school was fun for them, and on the rare occasion that they did skip school i didnt care much because they were already ahead of their classmates. They never wandered the streets with nothing good to do, they always had plenty of work to do around the farm and plenty of safe places for recreation. they never went on "blunt rides" as kids do nowandays, because they were given a safe place to participate in that activity on my property.  They did listen to the same music, play video games, and wear similar clothing, they still deal with the same social drama, but they dont think anything of it: they did not put it on such a high pedestal in their life as to allow those things to shape their identities. They have a clear sense of themselves and their purpose in life. To them, behaving in a way similar to the children at HLA is unthinkable; yet I also allowed them to misbehave in a controlled manner. I've allowed them since they each turned 13 to smoke pot, drink, stay out late and have all the sex they want, as long as they would do so in a responsible, adult manner. My three oldest 'experimented' a little once in a while but it never turned into something their lives centered around. my two younger children (both in their 20's now) were simply never interested in any of that (other than the opposite sex) because it was a fact of life around the house since they were babies, they had more interesting, and healthy "rebellious" things to do.

I'm calling bullshit on this. I was in PG 54. there was Darlene, Denny, and Chrissy. Darlene had a breakdown and quit after finding Amy Klemm hanging dead (for the most part) in her closet. Denny still works there but last I heard he was just the athletics coordinater or something. Denny was a good person. Not good enough to quit HLA or expose anything real that was going on there, but good enough to stand up to my parents for me and sympathize with my situation. He had a particularly good view on the manipulation on both sides of my parents horrific divorce case and understood how hard it hit me. Especially the abandonment issues stemming from my fathers complete and total lack of care for me. And then there was Chrissy. Chrissy was the only person that would fit this bill of being someone who "sat in" on our reals. She was MAYBE 25, and said she had no kids. She was also conservative and soft spoken, not anything like the person painted here. So, pg45counselor, I don't know who you are, but you're certainly not anyone I know, and being in PG 54, with all that you're touting is true, I have to make a sincere bullshit call.

You're welcome to make a login and PM me, and I will totally retract this if I've forgotten someone, but in 2 years, I never met anyone who sounds like they'd be you.

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Re: Current HLA Staff
« on: August 05, 2009, 09:26:09 PM »
Thats it? Well I guess with that huge student population, they need a ton of staff to keep an eye on all those kids.

 ^-^

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Open Free for All / Re: Los Angeles, Anyone?
« on: August 05, 2009, 08:36:54 PM »
Aww I wish... If you're ever on the eastern coast let me know!

Haha...

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Jill do you still have my email?

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Re: HLA Facebook Groups
« on: August 03, 2009, 12:56:58 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Guest"
You're being trolled, Lacey. Whatever words you were going to waste on it, send something to the ORS instead, or possibly an organization in Georgia that doesn't give a fuck about Len Buccellato's supposed clout.

Actually Lacey was the one trolling.  Switching the subject, misquoting, the use of ad hominems, dismissing peoples thoughts and point of view, putting words in peoples mouths, twisting words to meet her Personal agenda.  To name a few.  Classic troll behavior.


Let me refresh your memory.

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Re: HLA Facebook Groups
« on: August 03, 2009, 09:33:25 AM »
Who, you're arguing about everything under the sun, once again skirting the original issue. You've now argued with a bunch of guests, ask Bruce to link his posts, and called me a troll for recounting my experience at Hidden Lake. But were all still waiting on the answer to the original question from like six pages ago. Care to take a stab?

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Re: HLA Facebook Groups
« on: August 02, 2009, 02:06:51 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Lacey"
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "TheWho"
If you had more compassionate staff and program model, Mary, I think you would have a better view of the industry.

Who, people like Mary and I have the BEST view of the industry. I personally have been to 9 seperate treatment programs of varying lengths of time. You observe from the comfort of your home, living vicariously through some (more than likely) fictitous story your "daughter" brought home from one program. You think that gives you the "better view of the industry"?

You turn your computer off at night when your done on here playing your little role, and these horrible places are erased from your day. Blinked out, just like a computer moniter. You walk about your home, you go to work, you get in your car and drive away if you'd like. But the children held captive by the programs you defend are still out there. Unable to even tell the truth about whats happening to their parents, the only people who could help them.

So you tell me. Who has the better view of the industry? Would it be you, who devotes a measly hour or two a day to coming onto a website to troll and protect whatever it is your interest is in this... Or would it be someone who for years on end is forcibly subjected to every aspect of the behavioral modification industry?

Who. You have nothing to say here. You do not know what you are talking about.

I once again pose the question. For someone who is remarkably removed from the situation... What interest do you have in this that you are trying to preserve? Because we already know its not this idealistic and valiant defense of truth you so proudly touted earlier, because what you are defending is in fact NOT true. So Who. Why are you here?

Let me ask a question.  How come you view correcting a misconception as defending a program.  There was information presented that HLA had 100% failure during their licensure inspection by the ORS.  It was stated that they failed all the random inspection points.  Not one person challenged this on the board.  If I or someone stated that HLA passed the inspection with flying colors with 100% success rate we would have posters coming out of the woodwork calling the poster a liar and challenging their statements.  You have been here long enough to know this.  So why if there is false information presented which shows programs in a bad light then it is somehow acceptable and if I point this out then I am automatically a defender of programs and must be getting kickbacks or getting paid.

The reason I believe you don’t see this is because you were in 9 programs and your judgment is clouded and you cannot be objective or fair.  If someone states they were abused at HLA you take it face value.  If someone says they had a daughter who was helped by a program then they must be an imaginary daughter because this is not something you can comprehend.  If you look a little closer at it I am the one who is BETTER able to look at both sides of the industry and see the good as well as the bad where you are not capable of a fair view.  You have been damaged by the industry and therefore cannot be objective.

So the more pressing question would be why are you still here?  What value can you add by your presence?  How can you assess the truth and work to get it to the top and expose the corrupt areas?

Just saw this... I already addressed in my first post why I am here. To expose people like you who feed their own agendas and to prevent what has happend to me from happening to any other terrified teenager.

And you logic here is.... Because I was damaged by a program I can't be objective on whether or not it was damaging? Are you kidding me? I am nothing but living fucking proof, along with every other student who has spoken out, that - wait I forgot - oh yeah... HLA IS DAMAGING.

So yea, I would say so. I might have a little better understanding than someone who say, has never been through it.

I don't need statistics, Who. I am the fucking statistic.

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Re: HLA Facebook Groups
« on: August 02, 2009, 01:57:23 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
Ha,Ha,Ha,  We would love to see the posted link on this one.

so now thewho said:  "Hidden Lake Academy helped Lacey by abusing her"...  we would love to see the link where he said this, but we all know you post untruths.  But that is what makes Fornits a nice challenge, doesnt it.

How about if we wait for Bruce to string together his guest posts.  Then we will see which post is whos.

you have to love this place, and they ask me why I post here!!

That was certainly the logic you were employing when you made the statement that by HLA harrassing me (again, your words) they gave me the tools necessary to deal with a hypothetical future rape. So how is that different from "Hidden Lake helped me by harrassing/abusing me..."?

Tons of things can help someone prepare for future hardships, but that doesn't make them worth advocating, or make them right. Like if I got raped tomorrow, the fact that I have already had to develop a skills set to continue with life from my previous assault would of course, prepare me to deal with it again. So we should rape/abuse children so that they'd be prepared for those very events? Is that the argument that you're trying to make? That because I was abused at Hidden Lake that it would help prepare me for future abuse?  Is that truly the precident that you'd like to be setting? You may think this is a jump, but with the logic you've already employed, its just the next sensible step.

If that is in fact a statement that you'd support, the I would urge everyone reading Who's posts to seriously consider his set of morality and ethics.

Your argument that not all programs are bad... I was not addressing all programs. I was adressing this one, the forum that we're in, the conversation we've been having - Hidden Lake Academy. You are once again obscuring the issue at hand that HIDDEN LAKE is corrupt, by countering with "Oh, well not ALL programs are bad." You did not answer my questions, or even stay on topic.

How about we try again this time, not supporting your arguments with examples from other programs, or some sucess stories you've heard from "some kids" about "some programs"... Lets try HIDDEN LAKE.

I'll  ask again. How did HLA prepare me to deal with future hardships by harrassing/abusing me?

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Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "TheWho"
If you had more compassionate staff and program model, Mary, I think you would have a better view of the industry.

Who, people like Mary and I have the BEST view of the industry. I personally have been to 9 seperate treatment programs of varying lengths of time. You observe from the comfort of your home, living vicariously through some (more than likely) fictitous story your "daughter" brought home from one program. You think that gives you the "better view of the industry"?

You turn your computer off at night when your done on here playing your little role, and these horrible places are erased from your day. Blinked out, just like a computer moniter. You walk about your home, you go to work, you get in your car and drive away if you'd like. But the children held captive by the programs you defend are still out there. Unable to even tell the truth about whats happening to their parents, the only people who could help them.

So you tell me. Who has the better view of the industry? Would it be you, who devotes a measly hour or two a day to coming onto a website to troll and protect whatever it is your interest is in this... Or would it be someone who for years on end is forcibly subjected to every aspect of the behavioral modification industry?

Who. You have nothing to say here. You do not know what you are talking about.

I once again pose the question. For someone who is remarkably removed from the situation... What interest do you have in this that you are trying to preserve? Because we already know its not this idealistic and valiant defense of truth you so proudly touted earlier, because what you are defending is in fact NOT true. So Who. Why are you here?

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Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Lacey"
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Guest"
TheWho, can you explain again to Lacey how she is better off now than before HLA?  Please tell this poor girl again how HLA helps sexual abuse victims get "tools" to deal with those issues.  It looks like she's not getting your point about how she would have been worse off without HLA.

Re-read the post, it was TheWho who was asking the guestion, not the other way around.  Also I think the original point was that a child would be better prepared for life, after their stay at HLA, not prepared for events that occured before they went to HLA.

I understand it can be confusing with all these guest posts, but it seems thewho agrees with many of you on this issue.

Before or after, Who.... How could a program that took that approach to sexual abuse victims possibly have any degree of compitency with preparing someone for a future sexual attack? By employing those very tactics? Which OBVIOUSLY do not work? I was further victimized by the very people my parents payed hundreds of thousands of dollars to, thinking they were helping. That is FACT.

I have read your posts for YEARS, Who. How can you possibly sit there and defend Hidden Lake Academy? The awful truth of this is that they are severely damaging children. I am not some sensationalist that wants to poke my nose in every argument that is started here on fornits, which is why in 3 or 4 years, I only have a small number of posts. You can come up with all the "facts" that you'd like, or attempt to discredit every HLA former student, parent or staff that speaks out against it. But please. Please tell me how a 15 year old girl sitting in a room with 17 strangers, in a state she's never been to, away from her parents for the first time in her life could possibly feel safe enough to recount intimate details of a rape, and have it be constructive in any way possible. They ask her was it dark out, was it light out. What color was the car she was in the back of. What words did he say to her while he was on top of her. Did he use a condom? Did it make her feel dirty? Did he use a chain or a rope to tie her leg to the front seat? As fucking uncomfortable as it is to read through those questions, imagine sitting in that fucking room having to answer them! And when I hesitated at all I was threatened with punishment and degraded as not wanting to "cooperate" with my "treatment". Please, Who. I am begging you. TELL ME HOW THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE WORTH DEFENDING. I am calling you out. I have never addressed you directly but you'd better step up and show your true colors here.

I have NOTHING to gain from speaking out against HLA. I live my life now, happily devoid of anything having to do with Hidden Lake. I chose not to be involved in the lawsuit. I never spent a penny that I'd want to recapture from that place. My ONLY reason for posting any of this is to get the truth about that place out. To save some other scared shitless little girl from ever having to endure all that I did while I was there.

What is it that YOU have to gain from defending a place like this?

I anxiously await your response.

I dont see myself as a defender of HLA.  I see myself as a defender of the truth.  I mentioned earlier that I wouldn’t send my kid there.  You have been here long enough to know that the truth isn’t a big priority here as long as the program looks bad.  Take the inspection results of HLA.  The reports clearly stated that the report was a list of discrepancies found, but posters like Bruce and others would rather mislead readers into believing that HLA failed every aspect of the inspection.  To me this deception does everyone harm.  No one else spoke up except myself.  There are posters who feel everyone that dies post program is a result of the program even if they have been out for years.  The reason they post crap like this is not for accuracy but to discredit programs.  But what they dont realize is that they are discrediting fornits.  Virtually no poster would step up and challenge a piece of information that portrayed a program negatively no matter how far fetched the story or information is.  Many would rather sit in silence hoping the misinformation will drive readers to believe the worst is true about programs and decide not to send their child based on this.  But what people dont see is this backfires and makes the forum look foolish.

But continuously asking questions and challenging answers, playing the devils advocate the truth eventually comes to the surface as it did in the last discussion on licensure.

I do believe that programs prepare kids for what life has to throw at them post program.  I dont believe all programs are good or bad nor are they all alike.  Many posters here like to envision the worst of the programs and peddle the idea that all programs are the same and damaging which we all know isn’t true but is good for the agenda of discrediting any program that comes along in discussion.

So Lacey, I think it is awful that that had to happen to you.  I do not condone that treatment.  I dont think all schools would do the same thing and I actually know they would not.  I dont condone harassment.  I do believethat if the rape occured post program you would be in a stronger position to deal with it then you were before hand.  

But you cannot honestly believe that spreading or allowing the spread of misinformation is going to have any long term lasting effect against these places.  They need to be exposed for what they are and back it all up with facts and data.  If you try to fool people with lies then the whole site loses its credibility.

So let me get this straight. You think that if I were to get pulled into a back alleyway tomorrow walking home from work, and were raped, that the "harrassment" (YOUR WORDS) I endured at Hidden Lake would better prepare me to "deal with it".

If by your own admission HLA "harrasses" rape victims, then what tools could I have possibly learned from these well equipped "professionals" to handle such an ordeal?

What qualifications do you hold in the treatment of rape victims to make these kinds of statements? What personal experience do you have with the effect of rape on a young person to say that anything I ENDURED (not benefited from) at Hidden Lake Academy would prepare me for my hypotectical future rape?

You're absolutely right. The biggest consistency I see in the forum is the misrepresentation of FACT. However this is not from people like me, or Bruce, or DJ, or any of the other people that you have attempted to rip apart in a desperate and delusional attempt to discredit them and every word they utter. Its from you, and those with the same motives.

The simple fact of the matter is that nothing NEGATIVE has come from the things that we have said here on fornits. What has resulted has been accountability, HLA being lisenced, and an overall airing out of HLA's dirty laundry. You spewing your self proclaimed "truths" do nothing but attempt to obscure and distract from the REAL issues at Hidden Lake.  

Who. I know, to the very core of everything I am, what happened at Hidden Lake. I do not need 3000 pages of reports to remind me. You can claim to be a "defender of truth", but I KNOW the truth. I lived it and breathed it for 23 months. And nothing of what you defend is anything that I would ever, EVER align myself with. I feel very sorry for you, Who. Because there are only two options here. Either your blissfully and wholeheartedly ignorant to anything real that has happend at Hidden Lake, and are due a very, very rude awakening. Or... You already know the truth, and are so devoid of any humanity that you would go on protecting these sick, sick individuals. If the latter is indeed the case... Then there truly is nothing left to say.

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Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Guest"
TheWho, can you explain again to Lacey how she is better off now than before HLA?  Please tell this poor girl again how HLA helps sexual abuse victims get "tools" to deal with those issues.  It looks like she's not getting your point about how she would have been worse off without HLA.

Re-read the post, it was TheWho who was asking the guestion, not the other way around.  Also I think the original point was that a child would be better prepared for life, after their stay at HLA, not prepared for events that occured before they went to HLA.

I understand it can be confusing with all these guest posts, but it seems thewho agrees with many of you on this issue.

Before or after, Who.... How could a program that took that approach to sexual abuse victims possibly have any degree of compitency with preparing someone for a future sexual attack? By employing those very tactics? Which OBVIOUSLY do not work? I was further victimized by the very people my parents payed hundreds of thousands of dollars to, thinking they were helping. That is FACT.

I have read your posts for YEARS, Who. How can you possibly sit there and defend Hidden Lake Academy? The awful truth of this is that they are severely damaging children. I am not some sensationalist that wants to poke my nose in every argument that is started here on fornits, which is why in 3 or 4 years, I only have a small number of posts. You can come up with all the "facts" that you'd like, or attempt to discredit every HLA former student, parent or staff that speaks out against it. But please. Please tell me how a 15 year old girl sitting in a room with 17 strangers, in a state she's never been to, away from her parents for the first time in her life could possibly feel safe enough to recount intimate details of a rape, and have it be constructive in any way possible. They ask her was it dark out, was it light out. What color was the car she was in the back of. What words did he say to her while he was on top of her. Did he use a condom? Did it make her feel dirty? Did he use a chain or a rope to tie her leg to the front seat? As fucking uncomfortable as it is to read through those questions, imagine sitting in that fucking room having to answer them! And when I hesitated at all I was threatened with punishment and degraded as not wanting to "cooperate" with my "treatment". Please, Who. I am begging you. TELL ME HOW THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE WORTH DEFENDING. I am calling you out. I have never addressed you directly but you'd better step up and show your true colors here.

I have NOTHING to gain from speaking out against HLA. I live my life now, happily devoid of anything having to do with Hidden Lake. I chose not to be involved in the lawsuit. I never spent a penny that I'd want to recapture from that place. My ONLY reason for posting any of this is to get the truth about that place out. To save some other scared shitless little girl from ever having to endure all that I did while I was there.

What is it that YOU have to gain from defending a place like this?

I anxiously await your response.

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