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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Aspen Education Group => Topic started by: Oscar on September 28, 2010, 02:56:38 AM
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Dr. Phil has once again used Aspen Education Group as a partner in his show (http://http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/1507). This time it is two sisters who has been sent to Turn-about ranch (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Turn-about_Ranch) for - ordinary teenage stuff.
To make matter worse he makes fun of a worried mother trying to establish some security for her daughters when it is obvious for all that they had no access to start a grievance process in the deserts outside Escalante.
Copper Canyon Academy and Academy at Sisters are in play also as Dr. Phil seems to plan a strategy which could break up the family and isolate each of the sisters in different parts of the country for no good reason.
The shows message board is in this link (http://http://community.drphil.com/boards/?EntryID=17695).
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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Oscar the teens smoke, drink, speed, pop pills, disappear all night and disrespect their parents all day. There are two sides to this story. I don't have a problem with your topic but post all the facts. The facts including their behaviors, Oscar. Whereas they should not be sent to a program that is unsafe.
Yet none of these things are excuse enough to force anyone into treatment after humiliating them on national TV and then having them drug off via paid escort to some place they've never heard of.
The behaviors are irrelevant as the end results of this situation are never justified.
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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Oscar the teens smoke, drink, speed, pop pills, disappear all night and disrespect their parents all day. There are two sides to this story. I don't have a problem with your topic but post all the facts. The facts including their behaviors, Oscar. Whereas they should not be sent to a program that is unsafe.
The problem is short to say:
* Their birth-parent (father in this case) remarries
* The birth-parent gives the responsibility to set up guidelines to the step-parent. It is a big no-no. The step-parent has to balance her role between learning the girls to trust her and enforcing the roles of the birth-parents. If there are no rules to enforce, then she can set up some herself but it would push the girls away. If any step-parent want children to follow rules, then get the birth-parent onboard and let this person make the rules public.
* Do not disagree about parenting in front of the children or in public anywhere because children have ears and eyes. They will know the rumor.
* All behaviors other than food intake and getting rid of stomach contents are learned behaviors. We have no history about the parents habits, how teenagers in the local community in general act. The parents could very well have problems of their own, they could live in a neighborhood where teenagers are out of control in general. Look at one of the mayors of Copenhagen (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m4NmPJTlMg) (For unknown reasons there are many) how he deals with youth. They keep talking about frustrating teenagers while they are about to be stoned. We need to know why exactly this family and how are they so special that they could not set up counseling.
I believe that a marriage counselor could fix this 10 times faster and a lot cheaper if the parents really want to. They have to do the work and I agree that this family have problems. If they don't want to fix them and want to work with themselves during therapy, then they could have found some ordinary exiting boarding school for the girls and shipped them there until they are 18.
It doesn't matter for how long and which residential placement they choose. The entire project will be a failure until the parents change. The lifestyle shown by these girls are a symptom only. They are hurting inside due to lack of structure in their home. Any doctor can try to fix the symptoms but it will take a while and in this case it properly not be fixed before the girls are out on their own as adults.
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The children's behavior is relevant considering that is one reason why they were placed in a program. This fact cannot be disputed. I hope they are not abused in their program. If they are, this will damage the parent child relationship further. This issue should not have been dealt with on national television. I think this is horrible to do to any child. Whereas this caused trust issues between the children - parents. The parents and Dr. Phil also shoulder some of the blame.
So a woman who is raped is to blame for her being raped? A child who is drug off to a program against their will need not be held responsible for their parent's inability to be parents. That lack of parenting skill rest completely on the parent's shoulders. Therefore, the behaviors of the child are beside the point as no child need be in any single one of this little duckfarms in the first place. If such a service is needed it should come from a community vendor and failing that a government organization that has plenty of oversight from investigators and concerned citizens to prevent abusive behavior.
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The children's behavior is relevant considering that is one reason why they were placed in a program. This fact cannot be disputed. I hope they are not abused in their program. If they are, this will damage the parent child relationship further. This issue should not have been dealt with on national television. I think this is horrible to do to any child. Whereas this caused trust issues between the children - parents. The parents and Dr. Phil also shoulder some of the blame.
So a woman who is raped is to blame for her being raped? A child who is drug off to a program against their will need not be held responsible for their parent's inability to be parents. That lack of parenting skill rest completely on the parent's shoulders. Therefore, the behaviors of the child are beside the point as no child need be in any single one of this little duckfarms in the first place. If such a service is needed it should come from a community vendor and failing that a government organization that has plenty of oversight from investigators and concerned citizens to prevent abusive behavior.
If a car gets a dent in it the car still needs to go to the body shop regardless of whose fault it is. Everyone shoulders a piece of the blame and should be responsible for it. Even the rape victim needs to shoulder her part. She should not be putting herself in risky situations like doing a striptease in a biker bar at 2:00am and then trying to undress all the guys at the bar.
It comes across as very insincere and not very believable when a child blames their parents and the program yet never discusses the events leading up to their placement nor take responsibility for their part. Most of the time the kids should shoulder the lions share of the responsibility for their placement.
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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I must be hard sitting in front of a such a pair of parents as a therapist or an educational consultant knowing based on your professional experience that this would produce an income for years combined with referral fees from various sources if the root of the problem is not dealt with - and still advice the parents to change their ways before they do anything else.
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Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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I was not attacking your previous line of work.
I was referring to the dilemma every professional in this business will meet.
You have a child. Sure something can be adjusted. There is always room for improvement. If they did break the law, it is vital that they are shown in the right direction.
But.... Then you meet the parents. They show such a lact of structure and unwillingless to take a good advice that you know that regardless how good the child will do and how well you guidance is received, the entire project will be a failure.
Here in Denmark they have been trying to work on what they call the social heritage. For 30 years they have given students cheap loans, grants etc. Fact remains that if you have parents with an academically education, the chance of a kid making it to the university is 10 times bigger.
And we are not alone. When I saw the research we had on Visionquest, I notice a reference to a story about a family with poor social background (http://http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/library/rosalee/part7.htm). Spoiler: It ends with a family reunion in jail and a burial. Also remember the story of the boys from Baraka (http://http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0444608/). Kenya was not the answer but a local boarding school took care of the problem with the neighborhood being the feeding line to the jails.
Of course each and every boy and girl has a choice in any given situation. They can make good choices or bad choices. What they decide is based on a number of factors.
You can teach them the best possible basics so they hopefully will do right, but you cannot be sure. But if you don't try as the parents in the Dr. Phil show so clearly don't before they phone the doctor the chances of bad decisions are huge.
If the show had been the other way around and they had tried to make a change for a period and maybe taken some family expeditions as some wilderness programs offer, I would not have written about it. But of course it would not have been as good a kind of entertainment as the show turned to be for the doctor.
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This being played out on national TV doesn't help the situation at all in my opinion. Joel, I am impressed (not being sarcastic) with your rational thought process concerning this topic. Regardless how the kids got to the stage of destruction there at, they need help. I am not saying it is a program but if they continue down a self destructive road the choice will be made for them.
Idealistically we would like the parents to handle the situation locally with counselors or day programs but what if the parents can't for whatever reason, as so many can not or will not.
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This being played out on national TV doesn't help the situation at all in my opinion.
I'm falling over in shock.....I actually agree with this statement by DannyBoi. Any reputable doctor wouldn't expose his patients to national TV. He's in it for the money.
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This being played out on national TV doesn't help the situation at all in my opinion.
I'm falling over in shock.....I actually agree with this statement by DannyBoi. Any reputable doctor wouldn't expose his patients to national TV. He's in it for the money.
These shows are purely for entertainment value. Everything is set up from the beginning and Dr.Phil controls the flow and outcome. He knows before the show even starts how it is going to end. The families are just props for him so he can prove his point for that day.
Think World Wide Wrestling... its fake.
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This being played out on national TV doesn't help the situation at all in my opinion.
I'm falling over in shock.....I actually agree with this statement by DannyBoi. Any reputable doctor wouldn't expose his patients to national TV. He's in it for the money.
These shows are purely for entertainment value. Everything is set up from the beginning and Dr.Phil controls the flow and outcome. He knows before the show even starts how it is going to end. The families are just props for him so he can prove his point for that day.
Think World Wide Wrestling... its fake.
OMG, someone needs to revive me quickly.....I'm now agreeing with both DannyBoi AND Whooter.
I can't stand Phil. That goes for Oprah too.
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These shows are purely for entertainment value. Everything is set up from the beginning and Dr.Phil controls the flow and outcome. He knows before the show even starts how it is going to end. The families are just props for him so he can prove his point for that day.
Think World Wide Wrestling... its fake.
OMG, someone needs to revive me quickly.....I'm now agreeing with both DannyBoi AND Whooter.
I can't stand Phil. That goes for Oprah too.
These guys have the script very detailed and finely written 6 months to a year in advance. They need to review, meet and contract with Aspen Education to get all the legal work figured out and make sure they agree to take this kid they are going to have on the show. Figure out who will represent Aspen on TV, where the checks are coming from. Then Aspen needs to insure that they get their 30 seconds of airtime commercial which offsets the cost of taking this kid for free for 12 months or to make up for what Dr. Phils’ show will not contribute. (Dr. Phil doesn’t give his own money away very easily I am sure). There is no way Dr. Phil will let himself look like a fool on TV. He has full control of the outcome and pulls all the strings like a puppeteer.
So Dr.Phil looks good because he is being a humanitarian and financing this kids placement and Aspen Education gets to market their program on national television. So at the end of the show an Aspen Employee just happens to be in the audience and Oh, what a coincidence!! There is also an escort service in the audience also, a guy and girl in matching shorts with fresh haircuts and makeup, willing to donate their time to take this child to the program if not willing. The parents get to share some red wine in the "Green room" after-wards and receive their Dr. Phil gift baskets and sweatshirts. Unless something dramatic happens with the kid, which would warrant a follow-up show, "The Dr. Phil Show" will never return a single telephone call. Because he has moved on to the housewife who drinks all day and cant get out of bed to put her own kids on the bus.
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Dr. Phil has once again used Aspen Education Group as a partner in his show (http://http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/1507). This time it is two sisters who has been sent to Turn-about ranch (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Turn-about_Ranch) for - ordinary teenage stuff.
To make matter worse he makes fun of a worried mother trying to establish some security for her daughters when it is obvious for all that they had no access to start a grievance process in the deserts outside Escalante.
Copper Canyon Academy and Academy at Sisters are in play also as Dr. Phil seems to plan a strategy which could break up the family and isolate each of the sisters in different parts of the country for no good reason.
The shows message board is in this link (http://http://community.drphil.com/boards/?EntryID=17695).
Dr. Phil is a disgusting excuse for a human being! ::puke::
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This being played out on national TV doesn't help the situation at all in my opinion.
I'm falling over in shock.....I actually agree with this statement by DannyBoi. Any reputable doctor wouldn't expose his patients to national TV. He's in it for the money.
These shows are purely for entertainment value. Everything is set up from the beginning and Dr.Phil controls the flow and outcome. He knows before the show even starts how it is going to end. The families are just props for him so he can prove his point for that day.
Think World Wide Wrestling... its fake.
OMG, someone needs to revive me quickly.....I'm now agreeing with both DannyBoi AND Whooter.
I can't stand Phil. That goes for Oprah too.
I agree with you, they all can retire. Though I do like OZ.
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Oscar the teens smoke, drink, speed, pop pills, disappear all night and disrespect their parents all day. There are two sides to this story. I don't have a problem with your topic but post all the facts. The facts including their behaviors, Oscar. Whereas they should not be sent to a program that is unsafe.
I take your point here but we are only hearing one side of things as kids hardly have the right of rebuttal on these shows. I would say the fact that the dad did not immediately send them shows that he had doubts indicating that it is *possible* that the kids are not quite as bad as Dr Phil thinks. Also the fact that the mother then broke some of the rules indicates that she obviously had doubts as well about whether all the rules are entirely reasonable. Why anybody chooses tv as the forum to address their kid's behavioral issues to me indicates classic fith syndrome. I also would think that of all the problems on the list "disrespect" which is really another way of saying rude and obnoxious is the one that should especially be addressed by the parents. It is their job to teach kids about manners and courtesy and basic human decency. If they are not willing to do this and fight this battle then it is little wonder that the kids treat them with contempt
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Oscar the teens smoke, drink, speed, pop pills, disappear all night and disrespect their parents all day. There are two sides to this story. I don't have a problem with your topic but post all the facts. The facts including their behaviors, Oscar. Whereas they should not be sent to a program that is unsafe.
I take your point here but we are only hearing one side of things as kids hardly have the right of rebuttal on these shows. I would say the fact that the dad did not immediately send them shows that he had doubts indicating that it is *possible* that the kids are not quite as bad as Dr Phil thinks. Also the fact that the mother then broke some of the rules indicates that she obviously had doubts as well about whether all the rules are entirely reasonable. Why anybody chooses tv as the forum to address their kid's behavioral issues to me indicates classic fith syndrome. I also would think that of all the problems on the list "disrespect" which is really another way of saying rude and obnoxious is the one that should especially be addressed by the parents. It is their job to teach kids about manners and courtesy and basic human decency. If they are not willing to do this and fight this battle then it is little wonder that the kids treat them with contempt
Its the parents job to teach their children "everything". As a society we have become so reliant on social services that we dont take responsibility for our own children. The public school system now teaches sex education, nutrition, they feed out kids and some schools are teaching manners and other social skills. I was talking to a group of people the other day about home schooling and most of them turned their noses down and said "What about socialization!!, The kids need to be socialized". Why should we expect our kids to learn how to be social from other kids? This is nuts. Kids learn from their parents and should learn from their parents, not from other kids or families or government institutions.
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They have started to use the show as marketing. Not surprising: Turn-About Ranch Residential Treatment Center for Troubled Teens Featured on Dr. Phil (http://http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/10/prweb4614824.htm)