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To my knowledge, Boys' Town has had at least five lawsuits brought against them in the last ten years for sexual abuse. Given the time lag involved in sexual abuse cases which also involve ideological imprinting, I'd say we're likely to see this pattern continue.
Boy's Town began in 1917, so five sexual abuse cases out of 93 years is sad and five too many, no telling how many pedophiles hurt trusting children that have not spoken up.

I feel compelled to point out that sexual abuse litigation prior to the 1950s or 60s was rather infrequent, so your ratio of 5 cases/93 years is misleading to say the least. IMHO, with all due respect, all things considered, yada yada yada.

Good Morning Ursus,

Yes, I can agree that you have a gift of seeming to be living to be compelled to point out issues as you view them. This gift is something that you are using very well. I pray that your gift many never become a noose to survivors and victims. And that somehow it can allow the victims and survivors to feel empowered and not de-voiced.

I apologize again, Ursus, if my sharing of my feel on things somehow was personally experienced by you as misleading, and I apologize that I came across as misleading to you. I had voiced my feel of the issue by sharing that i thought even that small number of ratio was five too many and that no telling  how many pedophiles hurt trusting children that have not spoken up. It is apparent to me that we agree on all these issues. Yet, somehow for some reason you are coming across and experienced by me as if you were attacking me, by your accusation that i am misleading or was misleading, whom am i misleading? How come you personally felt my words to be misleading? Have you experienced others in your life as misleading? If you reread what i wrote, do you not agree that five cases in 93 years of sexual abuse IS five too many? That is what i meant, even that small number if five too many for sexual abuse! Sexual abuse is so damaging and so assaultive to the persons spirit and soul! Believe me, I know. I also said that there are more victims than we know, please reread my statements. k? How we read people says more about ourselves than it does about them. I showed that even that small ratio is too many, and showed that there are more that have no voices spoken out. I do feel that you and i agree on that.

However, I do not feel that you and I agree on the idea that Flanagans programs are some of the best. When I say programs i define the program as separate from the personalities of workers in the programs. I applaud the programs of Boys Town from all that I have read on it, and not from any personal sense or need to. For some reason this seems to bother you. Sorry to disappoint you, but you wont find a perfect program out there, nor will you find any program ran by mankind on earth that can solve the problem of abandoned abused children. What you will find are gradations of some programs that help more than hurt. Flanagans to my personal opinion is one of the better programs that i have read about and heard about. It is my personal opinion and so far nothing you have shared has altered that opinion.

There may not have been a lot of litigation going on prior to the 40's but there was an increasing growing wave of awakening about sexual abuse in the early 20th century. Also, I had pointed out further that pedophilia and sexual molesters were increasing by 322% in the past years, showing my agreement that it is increasing.

Oddly, I can see we are in agreement on all these issues, but oddly, my experience of you is not one of a survivor to another survivor.

Ok, i knew i was going to get snagged into replying, lolol ,  and I have not yet even had my morning iced tea. ...lol..So....off i go to enjoy my tea and my day and week. I need to take a break from this site, its a bit too much like a tornado or black hole that can suck one into forces working on the forum and rob of life and time. lol

Have a good week Ursus
 :peace:  
Peace
GentleStormi
Roloff Cult Survivor
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: I wonder what farm is that?
« on: January 26, 2010, 08:32:14 PM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
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http://www.boystown.org/AboutUs/Pages/A ... enses.aspx

The Boys Town Home Campus program in Boys Town, Neb., which includes locations in Grand Island, Neb., and Iowa, are accredited by The Joint Commission and the Council on Accreditation (COA). If the concern in question cannot be resolved, you are encouraged to contact The Joint Commission and/or the Council on Accreditation (COA). http://www.coanet.org/front3/page.cfm?sect=1

Licenses
The Boys Town Home Campus program is licensed through the Nebraska Health and Human Services System and includes Boys Town Grand Island, Nebraska.  Also a part of Home Campus is Boys Town Iowa located in Council Bluffs, Iowa and is licensed through the Iowa Department of Human Services.  All other Boys Town USA sites and affiliate locations are licensed through their respective state Health and Human Services systems.

    * State of Iowa Certificate of License (PDF)
    * Nebraska Health and Human Services System License (PDF)
    * Nebraska Health and Human Services Foster Placement License (PDF)
    * Nebraska Health and Human Services License for Grand Island (PDF)

Sorry to burst yer bubble, but the above "stamp of approval" is pretty meaningless, as far as the reality of programs go... That is, most of them, including the more abusive ones featured on fornits ARE already accredited by JCAHO and/or COA. Several program directors are even on the advisory boards of these agencies.

It pretty much boils down to a question of kissing butt and paying fees. The programs need that accreditation to get reimbursement from the insurance companies, hence it's in their interest to pay said fees. Nothing more, nothing less.


Hi Ursus,

Thank you for helping shed light on the issue of what really goes on with the JCAHO and COA, through your own personal understanding of how it works,  I did do a tiny bit of Google search and learned that *JCAHO’s standards are geared mainly toward monitoring surgical and pharmacological procedures*, not about overseeing the quality of programs that are the stuffs of private residential rehab centers, (JCAHO).
http://www.nospank.net/choices.htm
http://www.jointcommission.org/AboutUs/

I was not aware of any bubble of mine, and I apologize that I might have caused that impression in my posting from earlier. lol. I am a searcher, learner, listener and sharer and I value learning and sharing what my own experiences, thoughts, views and opinions are and also listening to others opinions and views in public forum, thank you for sharing your own knowledge and views as they help shed light.

I wonder what your view or opinion is about the main Licensing that the Boy's Town is licensed by? How do you personally feel about the Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services? http://www.hhs.state.ne.us/licensing.htm

by your statement that -'the above "stamp of approval"' is pretty meaningless', are you meaning to say that the State Licensing is without any value to overseeing the programs and how they are run to protect minors?

I personally feel that though State Licensing is not perfect--pedophiles do get in the doors-- it is much more highly to be desired over those programs that hide and run from State Oversight.  How do you view State Licensing of Minor Facilities? Do you feel this State oversight helps curb the tide against corruption within institutions? not necessarily that they catch and stop ever pervert from getting through, but that they curb corruption within the programs that impact minors for the rest of their life?

Of course the 'idea' set up for children is to me something not reachable in a world filled with broken marriages/broken homes/shattered hearts, but the ideal situation to me would be--that every child be born to loving, humble, stable, responsible and mature, whole parents whom have established healthy relationship from birth up with their children and are actively involved with their offspring all their growing up years. but that is very idealistic in a world so broken down.


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Ursus said:
--The defense presented a number of experts from the psych industry in an attempt to discount the theory of repressed memory, and to call into question how accurately people are able to recall sexual abuse or trauma from their past. There was perhaps even a hint of insinuation that the Plaintiff's repressed memories could be characterized as "False Memory Syndrome."

Boys' Town is particularly well-connected politically, both locally as well as nationally. Most people seem to view them with high regard. That may change.

To my knowledge, Boys' Town has had at least five lawsuits brought against them in the last ten years for sexual abuse. Given the time lag involved in sexual abuse cases which also involve ideological imprinting, I'd say we're likely to see this pattern continue.

Thank you Ursus for finding and sharing this information.
As far as I have studied on it in my personal research, the "False Memory Syndrome" is not included into the DSM manual, is not recognized by Psychology as any real syndrome and is merely a theory of some, is that correct?
Boy's Town began in 1917, so five sexual abuse cases out of 93 years is sad and five too many, no telling how many pedophiles hurt trusting children that have not spoken up.
 
http://www.boystown.org/AboutUs/history ... story.aspx
I would also add another consideration, that given the growing child sexual abuses in general in the world, pedophilia is increasing and more and more children, tragically, are more opened and more vulnerable to abusers in any system, whether that is in a public school, in a church or Temple or Mosque, or in the safety of a family home, or in a rehab program, or when going to a doctor or dentist...
http://www.childmolestationlaws.com/
There has been a 322 percent increase [child sexual abuse] from 1990-2000 and that is not counting the vast number of unreported cases.

Thank you
GentleStormi'

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: I wonder what farm is that?
« on: January 26, 2010, 01:43:42 PM »
Good information...
thank you Ursus, and this does go to show that at the heart of the issue is protection and parental involvement. That not even the best of programs/facilities out there can be any utopic safe places: "to stash one's troubled child into to keep them safe". That even kids growing up in seemingly socially adjusted families are faced with demons more commonly referred to as relatives who rape and sexually abuse kids-- i.e. pedophiles.
Every one of the teen help programs will find that there are those pedophiles and pervs that tend to gravitate where there are kids who have no parents or guardians who are actually daily, weekly involved in the real inner turmoil; the weakest, the most vulnerable child is the target of pedophiles, and in these places of help are those children.
The bottom line to me is that parents are culpable for the abuses their kids end up going through, no matter if its in their own house or in another place; the heart of it is down to the issue of parents being honestly engaged in relationship with their children.

The issue of State oversight, seems personally to me to be pointless when it comes to pedophiles in places like this. for it seems that pedophiles end up everywhere. State oversight does not appear to me to be able to guarantee that pedophiles have not penetrated into good programs. It happens. But, so far as the "program" and "philosophy" or overarching ideology of the Flanagan program goes, my personal 'feel' or take on it (being unprofessional but as a survivor who reads and has healed alot) is that it is one of the better programs and is ranked among the safer more effective programs and that it does have oversight and accountability, though I could be incorrect on that.
 
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http://www.boystown.org/AboutUs/Pages/Accreditation%20-%20Licenses.aspx

The Boys Town Home Campus program in Boys Town, Neb., which includes locations in Grand Island, Neb., and Iowa, are accredited by The Joint Commission and the Council on Accreditation (COA). If the concern in question cannot be resolved, you are encouraged to contact The Joint
Commission and/or the Council on Accreditation (COA).
http://www.coanet.org/front3/page.cfm?sect=1
Licenses
The Boys Town Home Campus program is licensed through the Nebraska Health and Human Services System and includes Boys Town Grand Island, Nebraska.  Also a part of Home Campus is Boys Town Iowa located in Council Bluffs, Iowa and is licensed through the Iowa Department of Human Services.  All other Boys Town USA sites and affiliate locations are licensed through their respective state Health and Human Services systems.

    * State of Iowa Certificate of License (PDF)
    * Nebraska Health and Human Services System License (PDF)
    * Nebraska Health and Human Services Foster Placement License (PDF)
    * Nebraska Health and Human Services License for Grand Island (PDF)


there is a need to differentiate between abusive programs versus pedophiles who tend to hide out in specialty teen programs or Mental Health facilities for young people.

Pedophiles infiltrate teen rehabs, and pedophiles hide behind masks of do-gooders. Programs can be safe and effective in helping and be up on top and licensed and watched over carefully, but its a challenge to weed out the perverts and pedophiles. Pedophiles go to Mosques and Temples and Churches and we trust them that they are sane people, but are in truth filled with venom out to kill and destroy. truly tragic. But just because there are Pediatricians who are found out to be pedophiles, we do not then condemn all of the other Pediatricians who are also licensed, no...we learn to watch out for the red flags and listen and beware. Because we understand that the ideology and practice or 'program' of Pediatrician care is good and watched over and safe and to be trusted.
But in my opinion, there must be and better be some oversight! This at least in my personal feeling would keep it curtailed but will not (in my view) ever remove pedophiles out of any system.

I personally think and feel that the Flanagan "Program" for teen help, is one of the best.
I also personally think that Pedophiles are everywhere and one can not ever stop being on guard for ones children just because of some name they put their children into. Programs may be good, but pedophiles hide. Overall Pediatricians are good and safe, but we do not just 'quit being on watch' because of this underlying belief and trust.  

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The men in the two lawsuits filed this week each have asked for more than $ 50,000 in damages for assault and battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligent hiring and supervision and breach of confidence.

Walker said he believes that the church owes the men an apology, counseling and damages for the physical and emotional trauma. He said he hopes to avoid a trial.

"The result of any forced sexual trauma stays with you your whole life," Walker said. "This is something that's just been made real to them."


thank you Ursus,
do you know how this particular trial has progressed since this was posted in 2003 at the New York Clergy Abuse site? Would be interested to see that these victims were vindicated and given justice.


Roloff Cult Survivor
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GentleStormi

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Films about Teen Boot Camps
« on: January 26, 2010, 10:29:59 AM »
I had read the book by Julia Scheeres "Jesus Land: A Memoir" , here is my review i had written of it:

It is a story about one sister and her brother. It is a love story that is simple, complex and pure, stained with an overload of not enough love and too much harsh abuse. A story of a black brother and his white sister, growing up in Midwest America, in a family that is abusive and yet wear the tag of Christian.

Julia writes this book for her brother, to share the story of how they made it and what happened to them. It is a story of teens in American 1980's. It is a story of hard abuse, racism and cultic abuse.

It is a story that takes on to the Domincan Republic as she and her brother, David, survive a hell on earth in the form of a sordid and evil "Christian Teen Boot Camp".

The themes and elements that stand out to me are:

^^The total disconnect between Julia's parents and Julia and her two adopted black brothers. This disconnect between these overzealous yet ridiculously out of touch with reality parents is an element that shouts out in the pages of her writing, it stands out in glaring lights as one reads the story. This chasm of disconnect that glares on every page, the parents in one world and these three teens in another world.

^^The bond that grows from beginning between Julia and her black adopted brother, the ups and downs of this relationship in a racist city, the bond that grows thicker year by year as they find they are the only ones there for each other. Her love to her brother David has been tested by years, and it comes out shining as gold in the end of the book.

^^Julia's contempt for religious issues, which may be reasonable in the light of her abuse experience and the lack of real parental relationship. I got the idea of her sneering her way through her teens. Sneering at the things that are of religious issues, which I can see why, but I think it is a tragedy of circumstances that shaped that in her, and her never having felt loved by her parents, which would have given her the root of that. But her parents never gave her love.

^^The horror of "teen boot camp" as a way to deal with ones kids, the real evils done by parents who refuse to be responsible adults and raise their own offspring instead of sending them off to God forsaken places in the name of Christ Jesus and breaking them down in Gods name, which is a subversion of truth and a work of the evil one.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Films about Teen Boot Camps
« on: January 26, 2010, 10:24:59 AM »
I had watched "Over the G.W." and felt that it really helped the viewer enter into the emotional reality of the victim of mind control. Although hard to follow.

Last night i watched "BootCamp"
and though it may work to help others see the disaster going on in our nation, or maybe it could help open blind eyes to the harsh truth, i really felt that it failed in allowing the audience to enter into the real shattering experiences of the victims. It was kind of bland to me, and did not seem to help connect objective viewer to the ordeal of the victim of mind control, nor did it seem to allow one to enter into the years of after trauma that are left in the lives of victims. it was good though and may be it can help be an intro film for those who are not in the know

any more films you all here have watched and feel are good to help promote understanding of the reality of teen boot camps and religious boot camps?

thanks

Roloff Cult Survivor
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GentleStormi

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News Items / Re: I wonder what farm is that?
« on: January 26, 2010, 09:57:39 AM »
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It could be Heaven's View...
http://www.christianboardingschools.com

      How often can I visit or phone my daughter?

      Initially contact with residents occurs after 30 days. Then, residents may receive calls from home every two weeks. However, this is contingent on the resident’s behavior. After 3 months, you may visit your daughter at the facility. However, this is contingent on the behavior and attitude of your daughter. After a designated time and with Board approval, your daughter may be eligible for a home visit.

Everything in this excerpt seems to me to show that parental support is contingent only on the behavior of the child. The ones in power and control over parent and child is this authority of Heaven's View. There seems to me, to be an underlying assumption that the child must be punished by the removal of parental presence, and support, there seems to be to me, an underlying assumption that parental presence, support and love (which should be unconditional) is "contingent" upon the child's behavior--that they use this conditional idea that parental presence, parental support and parental intervention is based upon conditions and not based upon Gods idea of parental unconditional love. Setting up a inner reality that one is not of worth or value based upon ones outside behavior and ignoring of the inward reality, and setting up victims of this pattern to years of learned hypocritical living life.

I personally believe that the original problem does not lie within the child, the child may act out the baggage of the parents, but the origins of the problems lay within the system of the family of origins. I consider programs based in family systems to be the healthiest there are. Systems that include parents into therapy are healthier, but systems that block parents out and isolate the child as "the problem" are to me seen as extremely destructive and in the long term i feel are elements that destroy relationships and tear down trust, building false/fake relationship and relationship skills.

It also seems to me that there is an assumption in the above excerpt that children behave in a vacuum: that what a child does has no cause and effect to it. This seeming underlying assumption that one can just cut off or cut out behaviors that have direct cause and effect to it, without helping process and understanding of the causes to the effects, are to me hallmarks of highly damaging mind control situations and experiences.
Mind control aka severe behavior rehab of such nature as this, cuts off understanding and process to this link of "cause and effect".
--There are reasons why that i personally feel need to be processed and understood, and in my opinion, any 'helping facility' that fails to do this and instead cuts off this process, is in my view, setting up this person for years of damaged relationships, major distortions and isolation from the very people God put there for them: Their father and mother.

While back, I came across the biography of Father Flanagan, of Boys Town, by Will Oursler. I read it and i had to read it slow and process my way through his story. At first i was a skeptic, being a survivor of a Roloff cult, but as i realized that Father Flanagan did things in direct opposite to Roloff, i realized the superiority of his system over Roloffs system. Flanagan refused any corporeal punishment, he would not force his doctrines either, respecting each childs familial heritage. I have heard that Father Flanagans Boys and Girls Towns are rated the highest in the Nation. The thing that stood out to me in contrast between Roloff and Father Flanagan was the one idea of "RESPECT" ....Flanagan respected each child and each childs reality and history. Roloff disrespected those sent to him and refused to see their individuality and disrespected their heritage that they came with. The other marking element between Flanagan and Roloff seemed to me (based only on my reading this biography and my personal knowlege of Roloff) was the aspect of conditional love in a Roloff type system versus unconditional love shown in a Flanagan type system.  I do not know any more about the Flanagan system other than what i learned from this biography. But i did talk to a person who is in media and i was told that Flanagans Boys Town and Girls Town are rated the highest in the USA.

Roloff Cult Survivor
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GentleStormi'

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News Items / Re: Paul Morantz on Cults, Confession and Mind Control
« on: January 26, 2010, 09:10:17 AM »
Thank you for posting this. Its always good to learn information on how others perceive mind control.  but, i dont know, meaning that my own personal experience of being a victim of mind control in Roloffs homes, was based in the fact that they used my already existing dissociation issues. Dissociation and hypnotic states are very similar, dissociation based upon trauma and hypnosis based upon trance, but really, both of them are trance states.
Either way, when in Roloffs, my mind/psyche was broken into by enforced dogma that i really did not understand, other than that i would burn in hell forever and forced to confess crimes i had "not" committed to public audiences everywhere, etc...in the cult, they created the split of psyche, the world of all black or all white and the reality of needing to create the psuedopersonality that a cult creates in its victims. that happened to me in 1978, i am still dealing with it today, it is damage from the Roloff cult that has followed me all these years and i thank God that i have had a counselor that has been there for me. Takes years to undo this trance, break the 'mantra's' that kept me locked into meaninglessness, the spells of surviving them and relearn what i do truly believe.

Roloff Cult Survivor
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GentleStormi'

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It is maddening to hear of these people who do these evil practices do not follow Jesus Christ as they say they do. Their fruit shows the very character of them to be anti-love. Their definition and frame on what constitutes 'love' is turned inside out and backwards and becomes a severe distortion of life.
They use facades to do their practices of evil--those methods that break and damage and those techniques that produce shattering of spirits and souls-- not the real work of real love.
The reactions we experience show we are truly those who seek love. God is love and these people do not represent a God of love and holiness, they represent a false god of force/control/bondage and destroying of spirits, representing a false god of evil masquerading as good--which is a very sinister form of evil.
I personally Imagine how the real God of love may feel, imagine that God himself feels even worse than we do about it, and i have heard the rhetoric question so many times, "then, why does God allow it?" --something very weighty and scary about free will and something very awful and serious about social consciousness and responsibility that God gave us all, and something freeing and powerful about public forums, forums like this that brush us with a touch of the grace of God, that allows the justice that a good public forum permits by the allowing of the light to come on and the light (truth) helps foster, feed and bring forth justice and freedom in good time. Although personal and group healing may take longer, as we face the demons others put into our lives, in this time, there can also form bonds of empathy among sufferers and survivors if we allow it to instead of breaking and dividing us further.

Gentlestormi'
Roloff Cult Survivor
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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Re: Accountability
« on: January 07, 2010, 11:06:43 PM »
damanamanit ,

Thank you for your sharing of the horror you have been put through, and also the honest seeking of how to cope in life as you raise your own children. Its amazing the strength of determination i hear in your voice. The crimes against you and me and others in similar cults is astounding to even figure up, and i value what you shared.
I am glad to hear how you have survived and how you find ways to deal. its encouraging and your revealing of Cascade is so needed.

Peace
Gentlestormi
Roloff Cult Survivor

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Old News:

starts on page 104 of John Hill's book:
"John Hill for the State of Texas: My Years as Attorney General"


http://books.google.com/books?id=DL_7D4 ... &q=&f=true


On page 108 John Hill reveals something in his book here that I did not realize or connect until the past week. Roloff day care facility in Corpus Christi had been licensed by the State of Texas all along. My obvious question was, then why did he fight licensing the girls home so intensely? John Hill presents some thoughts on how he figures Roloff reasoned. I found it vastly interesting, that his Day Care that he ran in Corpus Christi had been licensed by the State of Texas the whole time he had been fighting to license his children homes. Why such an intense stance against Oversight in the homes? Park Avenue Day School had been licensed by the DPW for 20 years prior to Roloffs heated, intense, long heavy and costly years of battling the state of Texas so he did not have to submit to oversight in the homes. What a curious and to me, a glaring curiosity that stands out.
At any rate, the entire account of John Hill's encounters with Lester Roloff was very interesting and thought provoking to read. I am glad he added it to his book, it is helpful to me personally.

Gentlestormi'
Roloff Cult Survivor
77-78

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I have heard the reports and have read the official newspaper obituary from Eatonton, Georgia. I am wanting to share what I have heard through Survivors grapevines and ask for any more details anyone has of the description of Wiley Cameron's accident and death.

This is what I have been told:

October 31, 2009 Wiley Cameron was welding, the transformer arced on his wedding ring, exploding (catching fire) onto his hands and arms and clothes. His nose, ears, hands and arms were going to be in need of a lot of reconstruction, but his eyes were kept because of the glasses. He had 2cnd and 3rd degree burns on his upper body. He was refusing morphine, but the doctor at Grady Burn Unit in Atlanta gave it to him anyhow. Doctor induced his coma on purpose. There were lots of skin grafting. Report on December 12th, 2009, was given that the family had still hope because they had believed he had opened or nearly tried to open his eyes. But in 13 short days, Fay and the family opted to pull off life support from Wiley and he died. He had been on a ventilator entire time from what I believe.

He died on Christmas by the will of his family deciding to let him go--they removed life support. He was buried on December 30th and on which day he was given a memorial service.

This is all i have knowledge of. If anyone knows a different version of the story or has an actual newspaper report, if anyone has further information, please share. All of us who were in the homes were affected by the Cameron's if we were on the Corpus Christi compound and or other compounds they practiced their ideology and painful practices on.

As much damage as the Roloff cult has done me personally, I pray that all the descendants find truth and grace in Christ.

Thanks
Gentlestormi
Roloff Cult Survivor
77-78

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