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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 18, 2006, 09:37:00 AM
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I am gathering information on lawsuits or formal complaints that have been filed against the Hyde School. I would also like to know about any lawsuits or complaints that are currently pending. Please post any information you have about past or pending cases. Thank you.
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On 2006-01-18 06:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am gathering information on lawsuits or formal complaints that have been filed against the Hyde School. I would also like to know about any lawsuits or complaints that are currently pending. Please post any information you have about past or pending cases. Thank you."
What are you gathering this information for? If it is for your own lawsuit, your attorney will be able to investigate previous lawsuits. If the case went all the way through to the end stage, there would be record. I don't however whether "settled" lawsuits would be accesible to the public and I don't know if Hyde would be obligated to divulge it in deposition. Maybe Lars knows the answer to this.
If you read through all these posts you will read about one particular lawsuit which was against the school for sexual inappropriateness by one of their faculty against a female student. Other than that one, I have not read about others thus far, but I am sure there have been some others leveled against a school like this who does not follow the same guidelines as public schools and abuses it's role.
There is a big campaign right now about making these kinds of schools accountable and putting in place more rules and regulations so they can't get away with what they do. If I find the website with the information I will pass it along. It might be somewhere on Fornits. Ginger can answer that one for us!
Hope this helps. Another suggestion I have is to post a private email address for those wishing to respond to you. Don't forget Hyde does have their ways of making a kid pay for talking against them
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The lawsuit referred to in this last post regarding inappropriate sexual behavior was thrown out of court and the civil case was settled by the insurance company
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On 2006-01-18 08:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The lawsuit referred to in this last post regarding inappropriate sexual behavior was thrown out of court and the civil case was settled by the insurance company"
What was "thrown out of court." We heard it was a civil case and was settled after jury selection! There was never any mention of anything being "thrown out of court, but maybe you have more first hand knowledge? Did the judge actually throw the lawsuit out of court? Your inference is that maybe it was criminal and then became civil?
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On 2006-01-18 07:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 06:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am gathering information on lawsuits or formal complaints that have been filed against the Hyde School. I would also like to know about any lawsuits or complaints that are currently pending. Please post any information you have about past or pending cases. Thank you."
What are you gathering this information for? If it is for your own lawsuit, your attorney will be able to investigate previous lawsuits. If the case went all the way through to the end stage, there would be record. I don't however whether "settled" lawsuits would be accesible to the public and I don't know if Hyde would be obligated to divulge it in deposition. Maybe Lars knows the answer to this.
If you read through all these posts you will read about one particular lawsuit which was against the school for sexual inappropriateness by one of their faculty against a female student. Other than that one, I have not read about others thus far, but I am sure there have been some others leveled against a school like this who does not follow the same guidelines as public schools and abuses it's role.
There is a big campaign right now about making these kinds of schools accountable and putting in place more rules and regulations so they can't get away with what they do. If I find the website with the information I will pass it along. It might be somewhere on Fornits. Ginger can answer that one for us!
Hope this helps. Another suggestion I have is to post a private email address for those wishing to respond to you. Don't forget Hyde does have their ways of making a kid pay for talking against them"
To answer your question, I am conducting research on boarding schools that accept a high percentage of students who have struggled in more traditional settings AND who have significant mental health histories, diagnoses, and issues. My focus is on schools that accept large numbers/percentages of these students without having any formal mental health services, staff, or program to address their mental health needs.
My impression is that the Hyde School falls into this category. The school's website indicates that many of their students fit this profile. As far as I can tell, the school does not employ mental health professionals or directly address these mental health issues (beyond agreeing to transport students to local counselors in the community). I am trying to find public information about problems that Hyde students who have mental health challenges may have encountered at the school which led to mental health crises, major behavioral problems, expulsion, suspension, running away, or parents' decisions to withdraw the student. In some cases around the U.S. these circumstances have led to lawsuits and other formal complaints.
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On 2006-01-18 08:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The lawsuit referred to in this last post regarding inappropriate sexual behavior was thrown out of court and the civil case was settled by the insurance company"
Are you certain this case (involving charges that a Hyde teacher sexually harassed a student) was "thrown out"? What's more likely is that the case was "dismissed" after the parties agreed to settle. That's very different from the case being thrown out. Does anyone know what actually happened here?
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It was thrown out because it was BULLSHIT. Got it now?
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On 2006-01-18 16:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It was thrown out because it was BULLSHIT. Got it now?"
On what are you basing your conclusion that the case was thrown out? Is this your opinion or fact? If it's fact, how do you know this? Are you saying no money changed hands to settle the case?
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On 2006-01-18 06:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am gathering information on lawsuits or formal complaints that have been filed against the Hyde School. I would also like to know about any lawsuits or complaints that are currently pending. Please post any information you have about past or pending cases. Thank you."
I believe complaints against Hyde School also have been filed with the New England Association of Schools and Colleges. There are several comments to that effect on this website.
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On 2006-01-18 07:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 06:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am gathering information on lawsuits or formal complaints that have been filed against the Hyde School. I would also like to know about any lawsuits or complaints that are currently pending. Please post any information you have about past or pending cases. Thank you."
What are you gathering this information for? If it is for your own lawsuit, your attorney will be able to investigate previous lawsuits. If the case went all the way through to the end stage, there would be record. I don't however whether "settled" lawsuits would be accesible to the public and I don't know if Hyde would be obligated to divulge it in deposition. Maybe Lars knows the answer to this.
If you read through all these posts you will read about one particular lawsuit which was against the school for sexual inappropriateness by one of their faculty against a female student. Other than that one, I have not read about others thus far, but I am sure there have been some others leveled against a school like this who does not follow the same guidelines as public schools and abuses it's role.
There is a big campaign right now about making these kinds of schools accountable and putting in place more rules and regulations so they can't get away with what they do. If I find the website with the information I will pass it along. It might be somewhere on Fornits. Ginger can answer that one for us!
Hope this helps. Another suggestion I have is to post a private email address for those wishing to respond to you. Don't forget Hyde does have their ways of making a kid pay for talking against them"
I don't know all the details, but there's a major research project at some Florida university that's examining unlicensed and unregulated schools that accept students whose needs they may not be, or are not, able to meet. My impression is that this research project is trying to identify schools and programs that are abusive and/or accept large numbers of students with psychiatric needs without having the staff or program to help them (the latter seems especially close to Hyde's profile). I'll see if I can find that website.
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On 2006-01-19 13:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 07:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 06:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am gathering information on lawsuits or formal complaints that have been filed against the Hyde School. I would also like to know about any lawsuits or complaints that are currently pending. Please post any information you have about past or pending cases. Thank you."
What are you gathering this information for? If it is for your own lawsuit, your attorney will be able to investigate previous lawsuits. If the case went all the way through to the end stage, there would be record. I don't however whether "settled" lawsuits would be accesible to the public and I don't know if Hyde would be obligated to divulge it in deposition. Maybe Lars knows the answer to this.
If you read through all these posts you will read about one particular lawsuit which was against the school for sexual inappropriateness by one of their faculty against a female student. Other than that one, I have not read about others thus far, but I am sure there have been some others leveled against a school like this who does not follow the same guidelines as public schools and abuses it's role.
There is a big campaign right now about making these kinds of schools accountable and putting in place more rules and regulations so they can't get away with what they do. If I find the website with the information I will pass it along. It might be somewhere on Fornits. Ginger can answer that one for us!
Hope this helps. Another suggestion I have is to post a private email address for those wishing to respond to you. Don't forget Hyde does have their ways of making a kid pay for talking against them"
I don't know all the details, but there's a major research project at some Florida university that's examining unlicensed and unregulated schools that accept students whose needs they may not be, or are not, able to meet. My impression is that this research project is trying to identify schools and programs that are abusive and/or accept large numbers of students with psychiatric needs without having the staff or program to help them (the latter seems especially close to Hyde's profile). I'll see if I can find that website."
Here is the project in Florida that is taking a hard look at boarding schools that accept kids with significant mental health needs but don't have the staff, resources, or inclination to address the kids' mental health needs. An example is a school that approaches students' behavioral issues entirely as attitude and character issues without addressing the mental health issues as a critically important part of the package. The Hyde School seems to be a prime example of the kind of school that this project seeks to highlight and challenge: http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/ASTART.htm (http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/ASTART.htm)
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On 2006-01-20 11:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-19 13:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 07:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 06:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am gathering information on lawsuits or formal complaints that have been filed against the Hyde School. I would also like to know about any lawsuits or complaints that are currently pending. Please post any information you have about past or pending cases. Thank you."
What are you gathering this information for? If it is for your own lawsuit, your attorney will be able to investigate previous lawsuits. If the case went all the way through to the end stage, there would be record. I don't however whether "settled" lawsuits would be accesible to the public and I don't know if Hyde would be obligated to divulge it in deposition. Maybe Lars knows the answer to this.
If you read through all these posts you will read about one particular lawsuit which was against the school for sexual inappropriateness by one of their faculty against a female student. Other than that one, I have not read about others thus far, but I am sure there have been some others leveled against a school like this who does not follow the same guidelines as public schools and abuses it's role.
There is a big campaign right now about making these kinds of schools accountable and putting in place more rules and regulations so they can't get away with what they do. If I find the website with the information I will pass it along. It might be somewhere on Fornits. Ginger can answer that one for us!
Hope this helps. Another suggestion I have is to post a private email address for those wishing to respond to you. Don't forget Hyde does have their ways of making a kid pay for talking against them"
I don't know all the details, but there's a major research project at some Florida university that's examining unlicensed and unregulated schools that accept students whose needs they may not be, or are not, able to meet. My impression is that this research project is trying to identify schools and programs that are abusive and/or accept large numbers of students with psychiatric needs without having the staff or program to help them (the latter seems especially close to Hyde's profile). I'll see if I can find that website."
Here is the project in Florida that is taking a hard look at boarding schools that accept kids with significant mental health needs but don't have the staff, resources, or inclination to address the kids' mental health needs. An example is a school that approaches students' behavioral issues entirely as attitude and character issues without addressing the mental health issues as a critically important part of the package. The Hyde School seems to be a prime example of the kind of school that this project seeks to highlight and challenge: http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/ASTART.htm (http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/ASTART.htm) "
Here's some useful information: http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/AStart ... tsheet.pdf (http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/AStartDocs/factsheet.pdf)
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On 2006-01-20 11:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-20 11:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-19 13:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 07:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 06:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am gathering information on lawsuits or formal complaints that have been filed against the Hyde School. I would also like to know about any lawsuits or complaints that are currently pending. Please post any information you have about past or pending cases. Thank you."
What are you gathering this information for? If it is for your own lawsuit, your attorney will be able to investigate previous lawsuits. If the case went all the way through to the end stage, there would be record. I don't however whether "settled" lawsuits would be accesible to the public and I don't know if Hyde would be obligated to divulge it in deposition. Maybe Lars knows the answer to this.
If you read through all these posts you will read about one particular lawsuit which was against the school for sexual inappropriateness by one of their faculty against a female student. Other than that one, I have not read about others thus far, but I am sure there have been some others leveled against a school like this who does not follow the same guidelines as public schools and abuses it's role.
There is a big campaign right now about making these kinds of schools accountable and putting in place more rules and regulations so they can't get away with what they do. If I find the website with the information I will pass it along. It might be somewhere on Fornits. Ginger can answer that one for us!
Hope this helps. Another suggestion I have is to post a private email address for those wishing to respond to you. Don't forget Hyde does have their ways of making a kid pay for talking against them"
I don't know all the details, but there's a major research project at some Florida university that's examining unlicensed and unregulated schools that accept students whose needs they may not be, or are not, able to meet. My impression is that this research project is trying to identify schools and programs that are abusive and/or accept large numbers of students with psychiatric needs without having the staff or program to help them (the latter seems especially close to Hyde's profile). I'll see if I can find that website."
Here is the project in Florida that is taking a hard look at boarding schools that accept kids with significant mental health needs but don't have the staff, resources, or inclination to address the kids' mental health needs. An example is a school that approaches students' behavioral issues entirely as attitude and character issues without addressing the mental health issues as a critically important part of the package. The Hyde School seems to be a prime example of the kind of school that this project seeks to highlight and challenge: http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/ASTART.htm (http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/ASTART.htm) "
Here's some useful information: http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/AStart ... tsheet.pdf (http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/AStartDocs/factsheet.pdf)"
I just checked out this website. It's great. It's so good to know that people are taking a real close look at schools like Hyde that admit all these kids with psychiatric histories but don't have the staff or services to care for them. I know from personal experience that LOTS of kids at Hyde have problems there because of their mental health problems. Hyde does such a horrible job with students who have problems with its rules because of their mental health problems. When I was there all Hyde did was hand out medication. They have no clue, it seems, that lots of kids act up and get in trouble because they're really depressed, bipolar or have some other major problem. Of course at Hyde these can only be viewed as character and attitude problems. Unbelievable.
All these different efforts are really getting the word out about the problems at Hyde and other schools like it. Keep it up!
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I would love to hear the outcome of this as our son falls into the very group you are talking about, and has just been asked to leave the school. They gave up on him awfully quickly despite the fact that he does not lie, cheat, steal, engage in sexual activity, or use drugs, alcohol, or tobacco - as most of the students there do - and was doing well academically. The school knew before admitting him that he had a temper control problem, and I'm sure I was quite specific as to the nature of his verbal outburts. To my knowledge, he has had 3 such episodes since November - really very few considering how difficult it is to be new to the Hyde "process" and in my mind, reflected progress! I had also seen progress in other areas with him and had come around to embrace and trust the school's philosophy - despite the odd scene I witnessed with Joe Gauld being rude and condescending to parents who dared question him during an FLC weekend.
Now we are out $35,000, not to mention all the time and money spent going to and fro to school and regional meetings, and looking at our son's sophomore year going down the drain. How ironic that the small Catholic high school he WAS attending seemed so much more compassionate and equipped and willinig to work with him! Sad .....
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Kids are only asked to leave Hyde if they are a threat to the community. It's sounds like your kid's outbursts don't fit in to the program, disrupting it and making it hard for Hyde to work for the other kids.
Does he/she have to leave right away or are they just not accepting him/her for next year...
If it's the latter you're not "Out $35K", you paid for the school year and that's what you got.
Hopefully as a family, there was some positive movement, if not, it ain't just your kid's fault for getting the hook!
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On 2006-04-10 08:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would love to hear the outcome of this as our son falls into the very group you are talking about, and has just been asked to leave the school. They gave up on him awfully quickly despite the fact that he does not lie, cheat, steal, engage in sexual activity, or use drugs, alcohol, or tobacco - as most of the students there do - and was doing well academically. The school knew before admitting him that he had a temper control problem, and I'm sure I was quite specific as to the nature of his verbal outburts. To my knowledge, he has had 3 such episodes since November - really very few considering how difficult it is to be new to the Hyde "process" and in my mind, reflected progress! I had also seen progress in other areas with him and had come around to embrace and trust the school's philosophy - despite the odd scene I witnessed with Joe Gauld being rude and condescending to parents who dared question him during an FLC weekend.
Now we are out $35,000, not to mention all the time and money spent going to and fro to school and regional meetings, and looking at our son's sophomore year going down the drain. How ironic that the small Catholic high school he WAS attending seemed so much more compassionate and equipped and willinig to work with him! Sad ....."
There are many other situations like your where Hyde accepted a kid and it didn't work out. In some of these cases Hyde never should have accepted the kid because they didn't have the right kind of program that the kid needed. In some cases Joe Gauld or someone else basically told the parents to take a hike because they questioned some of Hyde's abusive tactics. You may want to talk to a lawyer about going after Hyde if you think Hyde didn't live up to its end of the bargain. My impression is that a number of parents have filed suit against Hyde, or at least threatened to file suit, and Hyde has offered some kind of monetary settlement to make the case go away.
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I find it ironic that a school founded by Joe Gauld, a man who has a legendary temper problem, asks kids to leave because of their own temper control problems.
Joe's behavior on the tennis court where he throws down his racket and bites the tennis ball is common knowledge. One could say he didn't hurt anyone else by that behavior, but his angry outbursts have been directed at parents, faculty and students as well. I wonder how the angry behavior of the student who was asked to leave recently differed from the manifestations of Joe's rages?
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He was asked to leave immediately, though just that morning, another administrator had said he could stay, as long as it didn't happen again. So now we are trying to figure out if Hyde will coordinate with a tutor or another school here so that he can get his academic credits.
Yes, my child's outburts are scary ..... but I'm certain I was upfront with the administration about this during the admissions process, and I have copies of all the medical paperwork I turned in, clearly stating the type of medication he takes, as well as his diagnosis. Why is it that students who engage in sexual behavior on campus, and bring drugs into the dorms are allowed to continue? Doesn't their behavior also make it unsafe for other students?
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On 2006-04-10 15:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"He was asked to leave immediately, though just that morning, another administrator had said he could stay, as long as it didn't happen again. So now we are trying to figure out if Hyde will coordinate with a tutor or another school here so that he can get his academic credits.
Yes, my child's outburts are scary ..... but I'm certain I was upfront with the administration about this during the admissions process, and I have copies of all the medical paperwork I turned in, clearly stating the type of medication he takes, as well as his diagnosis. Why is it that students who engage in sexual behavior on campus, and bring drugs into the dorms are allowed to continue? Doesn't their behavior also make it unsafe for other students?"
Are you saying Hyde was aware of your child's mental health and medication needs when they accepted him? He sounds like someone who could have used some professional counseling that's part of the boarding school; perhaps this would have helped him benefit from the character education approach. I know alot of Hyde students who have similar challenges. They end up washing out of Hyde because the school simply doesn't understand how to respond to their mental health needs. It's part of Hyde's sad tragedy. I don't understand why Hyde accepts so many kids with these kinds of mental health challenges when they don't have the staff or will to help them. Isn't that unethical?
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On 2006-04-10 15:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I find it ironic that a school founded by Joe Gauld, a man who has a legendary temper problem, asks kids to leave because of their own temper control problems.
Joe's behavior on the tennis court where he throws down his racket and bites the tennis ball is common knowledge. One could say he didn't hurt anyone else by that behavior, but his angry outbursts have been directed at parents, faculty and students as well. I wonder how the angry behavior of the student who was asked to leave recently differed from the manifestations of Joe's rages? "
Anyone who has spent any significant amount of time around Mr. Gauld knows that he is a very complicated man. He may have some insight into adolescents, but whatever insight he has is overshadowed by his notorious hypocrisy. Gauld is the kind of person who preaches Hyde's virtues one minute and then turns around and behaves in ways that are completely opposite the next minute. Either he's unaware of his own hypocrisy or is so arrogant that he doesn't care. Neither option is flattering and completely discredits Hyde School.
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On 2006-04-10 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Kids are only asked to leave Hyde if they are a threat to the community. It's sounds like your kid's outbursts don't fit in to the program, disrupting it and making it hard for Hyde to work for the other kids.
Does he/she have to leave right away or are they just not accepting him/her for next year...
If it's the latter you're not "Out $35K", you paid for the school year and that's what you got.
Hopefully as a family, there was some positive movement, if not, it ain't just your kid's fault for getting the hook!"
IT IS SO NOT TRUE that kids only get kicked out if they are a threat to the community! What kind of threat? Do you mean a physical threat or maybe did he piss off the wrong person? HYDE has a pattern of kicking kids out and keeping the money. You don't know what you are talking about when you say they only throw out threatening kids!! I personally know of families who have been thrown out because Joe Gauld or one of the other maniacs didn't agree with a parent. I saw one child cry and cry the day they were asked to leave because the administration didn't like the father's behavior!
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On 2006-04-10 08:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would love to hear the outcome of this as our son falls into the very group you are talking about, and has just been asked to leave the school. They gave up on him awfully quickly despite the fact that he does not lie, cheat, steal, engage in sexual activity, or use drugs, alcohol, or tobacco - as most of the students there do - and was doing well academically. The school knew before admitting him that he had a temper control problem, and I'm sure I was quite specific as to the nature of his verbal outburts. To my knowledge, he has had 3 such episodes since November - really very few considering how difficult it is to be new to the Hyde "process" and in my mind, reflected progress! I had also seen progress in other areas with him and had come around to embrace and trust the school's philosophy - despite the odd scene I witnessed with Joe Gauld being rude and condescending to parents who dared question him during an FLC weekend.
Now we are out $35,000, not to mention all the time and money spent going to and fro to school and regional meetings, and looking at our son's sophomore year going down the drain. How ironic that the small Catholic high school he WAS attending seemed so much more compassionate and equipped and willinig to work with him! Sad ....."
You do not need to "be out $35,000" unless there is much more than you are saying. There are legal ways to recoup this money
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On 2006-04-10 17:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-10 08:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would love to hear the outcome of this as our son falls into the very group you are talking about, and has just been asked to leave the school. They gave up on him awfully quickly despite the fact that he does not lie, cheat, steal, engage in sexual activity, or use drugs, alcohol, or tobacco - as most of the students there do - and was doing well academically. The school knew before admitting him that he had a temper control problem, and I'm sure I was quite specific as to the nature of his verbal outburts. To my knowledge, he has had 3 such episodes since November - really very few considering how difficult it is to be new to the Hyde "process" and in my mind, reflected progress! I had also seen progress in other areas with him and had come around to embrace and trust the school's philosophy - despite the odd scene I witnessed with Joe Gauld being rude and condescending to parents who dared question him during an FLC weekend.
Now we are out $35,000, not to mention all the time and money spent going to and fro to school and regional meetings, and looking at our son's sophomore year going down the drain. How ironic that the small Catholic high school he WAS attending seemed so much more compassionate and equipped and willinig to work with him! Sad ....."
You do not need to "be out $35,000" unless there is much more than you are saying. There are legal ways to recoup this money"
Can you offer practical advice about the best way to challenge Hyde legally? Names of lawyers who have experience doing this and know what Hyde is all about?
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On 2006-04-10 17:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-10 08:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would love to hear the outcome of this as our son falls into the very group you are talking about, and has just been asked to leave the school. They gave up on him awfully quickly despite the fact that he does not lie, cheat, steal, engage in sexual activity, or use drugs, alcohol, or tobacco - as most of the students there do - and was doing well academically. The school knew before admitting him that he had a temper control problem, and I'm sure I was quite specific as to the nature of his verbal outburts. To my knowledge, he has had 3 such episodes since November - really very few considering how difficult it is to be new to the Hyde "process" and in my mind, reflected progress! I had also seen progress in other areas with him and had come around to embrace and trust the school's philosophy - despite the odd scene I witnessed with Joe Gauld being rude and condescending to parents who dared question him during an FLC weekend.
Now we are out $35,000, not to mention all the time and money spent going to and fro to school and regional meetings, and looking at our son's sophomore year going down the drain. How ironic that the small Catholic high school he WAS attending seemed so much more compassionate and equipped and willinig to work with him! Sad ....."
You do not need to "be out $35,000" unless there is much more than you are saying. There are legal ways to recoup this money"
When you were talking about angry outburst at first I thought you were talking about Joe. (Just Kidding Joe) Your kid bet Hyde. Where are the teachers of old who would break down the seeming insurmountable barriers, like Annie Sullivan? Hyde is giving up? Perhaps hyde is not challenging the staff enough.
Kids with dope in the dorms? Summer school maybe. There were so many kid that would turn you in regular year, it was like the stazi in East Germany. Dope? Damn not when I was there. I would have like to step out after sports and stoked up a stick of the old chronic. Sounds like the whole place has gone down hill. Oh wait this must be Woodstock. Never mind.
Sue Doenym
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On 2006-04-10 18:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-10 17:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-10 08:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would love to hear the outcome of this as our son falls into the very group you are talking about, and has just been asked to leave the school. They gave up on him awfully quickly despite the fact that he does not lie, cheat, steal, engage in sexual activity, or use drugs, alcohol, or tobacco - as most of the students there do - and was doing well academically. The school knew before admitting him that he had a temper control problem, and I'm sure I was quite specific as to the nature of his verbal outburts. To my knowledge, he has had 3 such episodes since November - really very few considering how difficult it is to be new to the Hyde "process" and in my mind, reflected progress! I had also seen progress in other areas with him and had come around to embrace and trust the school's philosophy - despite the odd scene I witnessed with Joe Gauld being rude and condescending to parents who dared question him during an FLC weekend.
Now we are out $35,000, not to mention all the time and money spent going to and fro to school and regional meetings, and looking at our son's sophomore year going down the drain. How ironic that the small Catholic high school he WAS attending seemed so much more compassionate and equipped and willinig to work with him! Sad ....."
You do not need to "be out $35,000" unless there is much more than you are saying. There are legal ways to recoup this money"
Can you offer practical advice about the best way to challenge Hyde legally? Names of lawyers who have experience doing this and know what Hyde is all about?"
I would be willing to bet you signed an agreement that waived your rights. They can be delt with by a good lawyer. Hyde probably settles these things out of court and requires a non -disclosure agreement. ISn't there a lawyer on this list that is a disgruntled grad? He could tell you how to network to find some one that knows the ropes. I bet it has been done before.
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On 2006-04-10 18:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-10 18:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-10 17:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-10 08:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would love to hear the outcome of this as our son falls into the very group you are talking about, and has just been asked to leave the school. They gave up on him awfully quickly despite the fact that he does not lie, cheat, steal, engage in sexual activity, or use drugs, alcohol, or tobacco - as most of the students there do - and was doing well academically. The school knew before admitting him that he had a temper control problem, and I'm sure I was quite specific as to the nature of his verbal outburts. To my knowledge, he has had 3 such episodes since November - really very few considering how difficult it is to be new to the Hyde "process" and in my mind, reflected progress! I had also seen progress in other areas with him and had come around to embrace and trust the school's philosophy - despite the odd scene I witnessed with Joe Gauld being rude and condescending to parents who dared question him during an FLC weekend.
Now we are out $35,000, not to mention all the time and money spent going to and fro to school and regional meetings, and looking at our son's sophomore year going down the drain. How ironic that the small Catholic high school he WAS attending seemed so much more compassionate and equipped and willinig to work with him! Sad ....."
You do not need to "be out $35,000" unless there is much more than you are saying. There are legal ways to recoup this money"
Can you offer practical advice about the best way to challenge Hyde legally? Names of lawyers who have experience doing this and know what Hyde is all about?"
I would be willing to bet you signed an agreement that waived your rights. They can be delt with by a good lawyer. Hyde probably settles these things out of court and requires a non -disclosure agreement. ISn't there a lawyer on this list that is a disgruntled grad? He could tell you how to network to find some one that knows the ropes. I bet it has been done before.
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Yes, I think Hyde settles these lawsuits quietly and puts tape over parents' mouths by requiring them to sign nondisclosure agreements in exchange for money.
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Boy, you have no clue what Hyde's all about....
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On 2006-04-11 03:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Boy, you have no clue what Hyde's all about...."
Hyde is a business. A fairly sucessful one. When confronted with the likelyhood of being brought into civil court it hires a lawyer. Hydes lawyer speaks lawyer speak to the plantiffs lawyer. Perhaps there is one or two rounds of discovery. There is lawyer posing and sabre rattling then they cut a deal. I believe hyde was in a position like this in the not too distant past in the nutmeg state.
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Are you talking facty or hearsay?
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On 2006-04-11 06:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Are you talking facty or hearsay?"
I said "believe." A belief is just that. I have no direct knowledge. I am not claiming it as a fact. That is why I said belief. I am not a lawyer. I have played one, so I know enough to chose my words in these matters.
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Even if you "slip in" the word "belief" in your post...The numbskulls in this forum take it for fact and start planning rallies and lawsuits...so please, in the future start out by saying, "I have no idea if this is true, but I've heard....."
Thanks!
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On 2006-04-11 07:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Even if you "slip in" the word "belief" in your post...The numbskulls in this forum take it for fact and start planning rallies and lawsuits...so please, in the future start out by saying, "I have no idea if this is true, but I've heard....."
Thanks!"
That would be an awful small rally. I my world people will bitch if it costs them nothing. Have them put some skin in the game and they shrivel like your scrotum when you jump in the water at Popham beach in May.
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Mr. I'm not a lawyer, but I played one on TV,
I think we were roommates. Drop me a note.
Stephen Long
[email protected]
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On 2006-04-11 10:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Mr. I'm not a lawyer, but I played one on TV,
I think we were roommates. Drop me a note.
Stephen Long
[email protected]
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I respect that everyone here wants to remain anonymous and I am doing the same.
I do have first hand knowledge of at least two lawsuits, one having to do with getting tuition back after being asked to leave the school. If you are at Bath, I would suggest finding an attorney in a major city in Maine. If you are in Woodstock I would recommend the same. There are lawyers who specialize in fraud which this might fall under. Lars is the only lawyer that has come forward on this board as to his profession. Maybe he can recommend the best way to pursue this. I would stay away from any lawyers in Woodstock or Bath as Hyde has built up relationships in town over the years.
IMHO I don't think you will have a problem getting your tuition back, but it is decision that should be based on costs. Look for someone who is willing to do this on retainer and if you can't find anyone you have to decide if it is worth it.
One other thing. You should be able to find the name of the attorney's who have been involved in previous lawsuits. I don't know how to go about this other than asking an attorney to research it for you. Let me see if I can find something on the internet for you. Sometimes this is hard to do when it involves a non disclosure.
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On 2006-04-11 12:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-11 10:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Mr. I'm not a lawyer, but I played one on TV,
I think we were roommates. Drop me a note.
Stephen Long
[email protected]
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I respect that everyone here wants to remain anonymous and I am doing the same.
I do have first hand knowledge of at least two lawsuits, one having to do with getting tuition back after being asked to leave the school. If you are at Bath, I would suggest finding an attorney in a major city in Maine. If you are in Woodstock I would recommend the same. There are lawyers who specialize in fraud which this might fall under. Lars is the only lawyer that has come forward on this board as to his profession. Maybe he can recommend the best way to pursue this. I would stay away from any lawyers in Woodstock or Bath as Hyde has built up relationships in town over the years.
IMHO I don't think you will have a problem getting your tuition back, but it is decision that should be based on costs. Look for someone who is willing to do this on retainer and if you can't find anyone you have to decide if it is worth it.
One other thing. You should be able to find the name of the attorney's who have been involved in previous lawsuits. I don't know how to go about this other than asking an attorney to research it for you. Let me see if I can find something on the internet for you. Sometimes this is hard to do when it involves a non disclosure."
The fact that a lawsuit has been filed against Hyde should be a matter of public record. It shouldn't be hard to find a record of filings in the appropriate courts in Maine and Connecticut. Details of any settlement would probably be confidential, but the not the fact of the lawsuit or the allegations. I agree that you should find a lawyer (litigator) in a practice in Maine or Connecticut that doesn't have any ties to Hyde School.
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"The fact that a lawsuit has been filed against Hyde should be a matter of public record. It shouldn't be hard to find a record of filings in the appropriate courts in Maine and Connecticut. Details of any settlement would probably be confidential, but the not the fact of the lawsuit or the allegations. I agree that you should find a lawyer (litigator) in a practice in Maine or Connecticut that doesn't have any ties to Hyde School."
Thanks for the info. I will try to find a lawyer who can research the cases against Hyde and see what lawyers have already been involved in suing the school. They should be the ones most knowlegable in the game that Hyde plays
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I am very interested in helping you, I am currently a student and am very discontented, I know of a situation that happened last year involving the music teacher, earl bigalow and a student, they were very vauge about what happened but it was either satatory rape or just sexual abuse, the teacher was revered in the school and when it happened they said they didn't know if they were goiing to press charges, i don't think much was done about it.
students still see him plaing music in the local cafe, he has a very young child and i am afraid for her safty, her fater is a sexual predetor and she has no idea. i believe that they didn't make sure real punisment was delt because of PR reasons
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On 2006-04-21 07:31:00, mansion dweller wrote:
"I am very interested in helping you, I am currently a student and am very discontented, I know of a situation that happened last year involving the music teacher, earl bigalow and a student, they were very vauge about what happened but it was either satatory rape or just sexual abuse, the teacher was revered in the school and when it happened they said they didn't know if they were goiing to press charges, i don't think much was done about it.
students still see him plaing music in the local cafe, he has a very young child and i am afraid for her safty, her fater is a sexual predetor and she has no idea. i believe that they didn't make sure real punisment was delt because of PR reasons"
Is this guy still teaching at Hyde? Are the parents suing Hyde? Are the facts of the case widely known?
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On 2006-04-21 07:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-21 07:31:00, mansion dweller wrote:
"I am very interested in helping you, I am currently a student and am very discontented, I know of a situation that happened last year involving the music teacher, earl bigalow and a student, they were very vauge about what happened but it was either satatory rape or just sexual abuse, the teacher was revered in the school and when it happened they said they didn't know if they were goiing to press charges, i don't think much was done about it.
students still see him plaing music in the local cafe, he has a very young child and i am afraid for her safty, her fater is a sexual predetor and she has no idea. i believe that they didn't make sure real punisment was delt because of PR reasons"
Is this guy still teaching at Hyde? Are the parents suing Hyde? Are the facts of the case widely known?"
Is this the teacher you're talking about? How did Hyde handle this case? http://www.hyde.edu/page.ww?section=New ... Item.id=25 (http://www.hyde.edu/page.ww?section=News+Detail&name=View+News&newsItem.id=25)
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I am very interested in helping you, I am currently a student and am very discontented, I know of a situation that happened last year involving the music teacher, earl bigalow and a student, they were very vauge about what happened but it was either satatory rape or just sexual abuse, the teacher was revered in the school and when it happened they said they didn't know if they were goiing to press charges, i don't think much was done about it.
students still see him plaing music in the local cafe, he has a very young child and i am afraid for her safty, her fater is a sexual predetor and she has no idea. i believe that they didn't make sure real punisment was delt because of PR reasons
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no he doesnt know still work here, the details of situation were not maade public
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He was a fucking nutter the girl was in love with him she didnt care abotu what he did she enjoyed it to my knowledge hyde swept it under the rug in many ways as they do with many issuses
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On 2006-04-21 12:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"He was a fucking nutter the girl was in love with him she didnt care abotu what he did she enjoyed it to my knowledge hyde swept it under the rug in many ways as they do with many issuses"
Is this fact, that a Hyde faculty member was sexually involved with a student? How many of these cases have there been at Hyde? I know there was a problem at Woodstock too, where a teacher had to leave the school over sexual stuff.
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On 2006-04-21 13:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-21 12:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"He was a fucking nutter the girl was in love with him she didnt care abotu what he did she enjoyed it to my knowledge hyde swept it under the rug in many ways as they do with many issuses"
Is this fact, that a Hyde faculty member was sexually involved with a student? How many of these cases have there been at Hyde? I know there was a problem at Woodstock too, where a teacher had to leave the school over sexual stuff."
Sweet. Where do I get an application? I have been out of work since Cardinal Law fired me.
Father Pedro Phyll
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On 2006-01-18 06:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am gathering information on lawsuits or formal complaints that have been filed against the Hyde School. I would also like to know about any lawsuits or complaints that are currently pending. Please post any information you have about past or pending cases. Thank you."
I am aware of a lawsuit about to be filed against Hyde School. I am not sure if it has to do with the female student having sex with the music teacher or if it has to do with a family who was kicked out and yet Hyde kept their money. I am sure we will hear something about it soon as these kinds of things can't be kept quiet.
My question is, why does Hyde School open themselves up to this? Why don't they follow the guidelines, which would prevent all of this controversy? Hard to believe that their ego gets in the way of rational thinking.
Does anyone from Hyde have an answer for this?
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On 2006-04-25 15:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 06:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am gathering information on lawsuits or formal complaints that have been filed against the Hyde School. I would also like to know about any lawsuits or complaints that are currently pending. Please post any information you have about past or pending cases. Thank you."
I am aware of a lawsuit about to be filed against Hyde School. I am not sure if it has to do with the female student having sex with the music teacher or if it has to do with a family who was kicked out and yet Hyde kept their money. I am sure we will hear something about it soon as these kinds of things can't be kept quiet.
My question is, why does Hyde School open themselves up to this? Why don't they follow the guidelines, which would prevent all of this controversy? Hard to believe that their ego gets in the way of rational thinking.
Does anyone from Hyde have an answer for this? "
Any idea what the newest lawsuits against Hyde accuse the school of doing? I am impressed that some families have the courage to go after Hyde. I know of a number of parents who would like to sue Hyde but don't have any energy left after doing battle with the school. It's good to see some people stepping up to the plate. It's about time that Hyde be held accountable for the serious mistakes it makes.
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My experience with Hyde and that they accepted my daughter and then require that she leave in early November because it was not safe for her to stay. I had a letter from her therapist in Bath stating that she needed residential treatment. Even though I did not withdrawn my daughter and she did not withdraw herself, Hyde kept all of our tuition money for the year. After many pleads and letters, some of the tuition was returned. This is totally unfair in my viewpoint. I have been hoping to find similar situations and would gladly participate in finding out how many of these cases have happened.
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On 2006-04-25 19:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My experience with Hyde and that they accepted my daughter and then require that she leave in early November because it was not safe for her to stay. I had a letter from her therapist in Bath stating that she needed residential treatment. Even though I did not withdrawn my daughter and she did not withdraw herself, Hyde kept all of our tuition money for the year. After many pleads and letters, some of the tuition was returned. This is totally unfair in my viewpoint. I have been hoping to find similar situations and would gladly participate in finding out how many of these cases have happened."
Unfortuntely your situation is very common at Hyde, in that they seem to accept many students who need mental health services that Hyde isn't willing to provide. How can they accept a kid who really needs residential treatment? Hyde doesn't even have a counseling staff. This is a tragic situation that is costly to so many people, especially the kids. Did Hyde know about your child's needs when they accepted her? You may want to consult a lawyer to see whether Hyde should be held legally responsible for accepting your daughter when the school wasn't prepared to provide her with what she needed. I feel very bad for you and your family.
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"Any idea what the newest lawsuits against Hyde accuse the school of doing? I am impressed that some families have the courage to go after Hyde. I know of a number of parents who would like to sue Hyde but don't have any energy left after doing battle with the school. It's good to see some people stepping up to the plate. It's about time that Hyde be held accountable for the serious mistakes it makes."
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I understand and sympathize that you might be burned out from doing battle with Hyde, but come on. In life I want you to step up to the plate and stand up for what you believe in. I think it is cowardly to say you think it is great what others are doing, yet you are unwilling to do the same. You must pick your battles in life, but remember you are setting an example to your child by by letting them see you hide in the sidelines while others fight your battles for you.
Sorry, I understand it might be hard, but I have no respect for people with this attitude. Grow up!
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On 2006-04-26 13:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
""Any idea what the newest lawsuits against Hyde accuse the school of doing? I am impressed that some families have the courage to go after Hyde. I know of a number of parents who would like to sue Hyde but don't have any energy left after doing battle with the school. It's good to see some people stepping up to the plate. It's about time that Hyde be held accountable for the serious mistakes it makes."
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I understand and sympathize that you might be burned out from doing battle with Hyde, but come on. In life I want you to step up to the plate and stand up for what you believe in. I think it is cowardly to say you think it is great what others are doing, yet you are unwilling to do the same. You must pick your battles in life, but remember you are setting an example to your child by by letting them see you hide in the sidelines while others fight your battles for you.
Sorry, I understand it might be hard, but I have no respect for people with this attitude. Grow up!"
I agree. This person is staying anonymous, asking questions, and yet is admitting to being a coward. If you can help these people who are battling Hyde then why would you not if you too got burned?
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On 2006-04-25 19:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My experience with Hyde and that they accepted my daughter and then require that she leave in early November because it was not safe for her to stay. I had a letter from her therapist in Bath stating that she needed residential treatment. Even though I did not withdrawn my daughter and she did not withdraw herself, Hyde kept all of our tuition money for the year. After many pleads and letters, some of the tuition was returned. This is totally unfair in my viewpoint. I have been hoping to find similar situations and would gladly participate in finding out how many of these cases have happened."
I'm not sure how many other situations there are like yours, where parents had to withdraw their child from Hyde because the school wasn't safe or Hyde was unable to meet the child's needs, but I'm positive there are a number of such cases. There's a very active rumor flying around that one family is working with a Connecticut lawyer on a case like this. What I've heard is that they've either filed suit against Hyde or have threatened to do so. Perhaps they've agreed to settle the matter, I don't really know. But it seems real clear that you have a good bit of company out there. You may want to talk to a lawyer who handles cases like this and practices in whichever state your Hyde campus was located (Maine or Conn.). I'm positive Hyde has been confronted on this issue.
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On 2006-04-10 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Kids are only asked to leave Hyde if they are a threat to the community. It's sounds like your kid's outbursts don't fit in to the program, disrupting it and making it hard for Hyde to work for the other kids.
Does he/she have to leave right away or are they just not accepting him/her for next year...
If it's the latter you're not "Out $35K", you paid for the school year and that's what you got.
Hopefully as a family, there was some positive movement, if not, it ain't just your kid's fault for getting the hook!"
I don't know when you were at Hyde, but Hyde does ask families to leave even when there is no "threat" to the community. I have seen instances of families being asked to leave simply because they did not agree with "the great one", Joe Gauld. I also saw families asked to leave because the administrators couldn't "break" the spirit of the family and control them as Hyde loves to does. I've also seen the administrators humiliate the families in such cruel ways where they had no choice but to leave.
I think that the concept of Hyde is good, but it is the administrators strange ways that make Hyde a bad school. Of course there is also the problem of bad academics, but this is secondary.
Hyde Woodstock is having big problems. The enrollment is down tremendously and what concerns me the most is because of the problems with enrollment, they seem to be accepting most anyone no matter what issues the child has. There is no doubt in my mind how dangerous this is. You can't put a child with motivation problems in a group with kids who have heavy drug problems. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
Hyde needs to decide what kind of school they are and then focus on the type of students they can help and should accept into the program. It cannot be a one size fits all because this won't work!!
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On 2006-05-03 05:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-10 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Kids are only asked to leave Hyde if they are a threat to the community. It's sounds like your kid's outbursts don't fit in to the program, disrupting it and making it hard for Hyde to work for the other kids.
Does he/she have to leave right away or are they just not accepting him/her for next year...
If it's the latter you're not "Out $35K", you paid for the school year and that's what you got.
Hopefully as a family, there was some positive movement, if not, it ain't just your kid's fault for getting the hook!"
I don't know when you were at Hyde, but Hyde does ask families to leave even when there is no "threat" to the community. I have seen instances of families being asked to leave simply because they did not agree with "the great one", Joe Gauld. I also saw families asked to leave because the administrators couldn't "break" the spirit of the family and control them as Hyde loves to does. I've also seen the administrators humiliate the families in such cruel ways where they had no choice but to leave.
I think that the concept of Hyde is good, but it is the administrators strange ways that make Hyde a bad school. Of course there is also the problem of bad academics, but this is secondary.
Hyde Woodstock is having big problems. The enrollment is down tremendously and what concerns me the most is because of the problems with enrollment, they seem to be accepting most anyone no matter what issues the child has. There is no doubt in my mind how dangerous this is. You can't put a child with motivation problems in a group with kids who have heavy drug problems. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
Hyde needs to decide what kind of school they are and then focus on the type of students they can help and should accept into the program. It cannot be a one size fits all because this won't work!!"
I've noticed the same pattern you describe. When Hyde can't get a family to conform and completely buy into Hyde's compulsive, strict, "do it my way or else" approach the family has a real hard time. The pressure can be enormous. If a parent really gets under a Hyde administrator's skin, they may be asked or encouraged to leave. Some parents have no choice and simply bail out. The atmosphere can become real polluted. It's so sad to see how these vulnerable kids get caught in the crossfire.
What do you know about the decline in Woodstock's enrollment? Do you know what the numbers are and how much they're down? Any idea why this is happening? I have a feeling that all of the bad publicity about Hyde is having an effect, plus competition from some other schools that are much more effective and competent.
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Don't know why Hyde's enrollment has declined. The first year when enrollment was low at Woodstock, the school told the parents that it was their choice to lower the enrollment in order to be a better school. I am now told that enrollment has declined even more. Don't know if this is at both campuses or not. Would anyone know the answer to this question?
My guess would be that the Ed Consultants have heard what goes on at Hyde and is no longer sending some of their kids there. Also, if I were looking on the web to check out a school, I would be concerned reading these postings.
Don't forget Hyde is making a lot of money from the government for the Charter Schools. They now have convinced NY to give them a shot. What a shame that these districts do not check up on these schools or go to the web to see the controversy surrounding Hyde. Possibly we should pass these thoughts along to the school boards?
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On 2006-05-03 10:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Don't know why Hyde's enrollment has declined. The first year when enrollment was low at Woodstock, the school told the parents that it was their choice to lower the enrollment in order to be a better school. I am now told that enrollment has declined even more. Don't know if this is at both campuses or not. Would anyone know the answer to this question?
My guess would be that the Ed Consultants have heard what goes on at Hyde and is no longer sending some of their kids there. Also, if I were looking on the web to check out a school, I would be concerned reading these postings.
Don't forget Hyde is making a lot of money from the government for the Charter Schools. They now have convinced NY to give them a shot. What a shame that these districts do not check up on these schools or go to the web to see the controversy surrounding Hyde. Possibly we should pass these thoughts along to the school boards?"
I have no doubt that quite a few educational consultants will not refer families to Hyde. I've heard that from families who are looking for schools. Of course, there are some educational consultants who seem to like Hyde or just don't "get it" about what really happens there. I'm pretty sure more and more educational consultants are getting the message, since there are many unhappy Hyde veterans. That's an important counterbalance to the families that like Hyde. Educational consultants absolutely need to know that there are lots of very unhappy Hyde customers as well as Hyde fans.
I remember hearing Malcolm Gauld talk about how worried he was about all the competition from other boarding schools out there. My understanding is that Hyde has been losing lots of kids who are being taken by schools that have loosened their admission criteria. It's probably that plus all the lousy publicity that Hyde has been getting.
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I don't understand what you mean by "Lousy Publicity"?
The only bad stuff I'm seeing is on this little website, and people take this with a grain of salt!
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On 2006-05-04 03:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't understand what you mean by "Lousy Publicity"?
The only bad stuff I'm seeing is on this little website, and people take this with a grain of salt!"
I am not the person who wrote, "bad publicity" but I do know a couple of Ed Consultants who will not place kids at Hyde because of the controversy. Obviously there must be more talk going on amongst the consultants than we realize and that goes beyond this board.
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On 2006-05-04 03:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't understand what you mean by "Lousy Publicity"?
The only bad stuff I'm seeing is on this little website, and people take this with a grain of salt!"
There's more bad publicity about Hyde than this website. I've talked with about a dozen parents (maybe more, I haven't counted precisely) whose educational consultants won't place kids with Hyde and are looking for something else. I've heard about at least 2 lawyers who have Hyde in their cross hairs. I'm pretty sure NEASC has investigated Hyde and has insisted on major changes there (I don't know all the details, but this is pretty common knowledge). There's also some very negative stuff about Hyde on other websites.
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On 2006-05-04 07:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-04 03:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't understand what you mean by "Lousy Publicity"?
The only bad stuff I'm seeing is on this little website, and people take this with a grain of salt!"
There's more bad publicity about Hyde than this website. I've talked with about a dozen parents (maybe more, I haven't counted precisely) whose educational consultants won't place kids with Hyde and are looking for something else. I've heard about at least 2 lawyers who have Hyde in their cross hairs. I'm pretty sure NEASC has investigated Hyde and has insisted on major changes there (I don't know all the details, but this is pretty common knowledge). There's also some very negative stuff about Hyde on other websites. "
Yes, the NEASC has investigated Hyde. They have reviewed them because of numerous complaints. They are still accredited but it wouldn't surprise me if the NEASC is keeping a close eye on Hyde.
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There's also some very negative stuff about Hyde on other websites. "
Such as ?
Annie Nonamus
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...and you're coming to this site to do your "research???" Wow! You must be a real professional, huh?
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On 2006-05-10 14:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"...and you're coming to this site to do your "research???" Wow! You must be a real professional, huh?"
I noted the silence when I asked for the other websites with nasties about hyde.
Sue
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On 2006-05-10 16:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 14:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"...and you're coming to this site to do your "research???" Wow! You must be a real professional, huh?"
I noted the silence when I asked for the other websites with nasties about hyde.
Sue"
check out this website for some very negative comments about Hyde School: http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi (http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi)
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I did a search on hyde:
zero results
Maybe there search engine sucks
Sue
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On 2006-05-10 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I did a search on hyde:
zero results
Maybe there search engine sucks
Sue"
You didn't look closely enough. Hyde is in there.
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On 2006-05-10 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I did a search on hyde:
zero results
Maybe there search engine sucks
Sue"
Here's one message about Hyde that unleashed an intense exchange of private emails about the school. I don't have access to the private emails: http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ ... 1;t=000645 (http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000645)
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On 2006-05-10 17:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I did a search on hyde:
zero results
Maybe there search engine sucks
Sue"
You didn't look closely enough. Hyde is in there."
Here's another message about Hyde School: http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ ... 1;t=000619 (http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000619)
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On 2006-05-10 17:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I did a search on hyde:
zero results
Maybe there search engine sucks
Sue"
You didn't look closely enough. Hyde is in there."
Here's more information about Hyde from the Internet (book review at Amazon):
More to Hyde than what is written..., April 5, 2005
Reviewer: Hyde Student (Hyde School) - See all my reviews
I am a current student at the Hyde School. I saw this book on amazon.com and immediately thought that I should post a comment on what I felt and truths behind the philosophy and how it is taught.
I recall hearing a statement that someone believes Hyde is viewed by many as something along the lines of a cult. It is true; many students have used that metaphor many times, including me. They believe that they are always right, and there is no way around it. Their philosophy is great; the views and things they try to teach the students are dead-on and I barely have any complaints about them. HOWEVER, they go about teaching them the wrong way. Example: There is a prinipal at Hyde that they call "Brother's Keeper," which is defined as holding eachother to their best. This idea is a great idea and should be practiced, however students should not be penalized and given severe consequences for such petty incidents such as being with someone who is wearing a hat inside a building. They go about dealing with students using profanity by making them do pushups rather than actually seeing the reason behind the profanity and seeing if there was, infact, true justification for it's use.
Example of a severe consequence? "2-4." I believe it stands for 24 hours in a day, in which a student is put on "2-4" for an indefinite period of time. While on "2-4," a student is not permitted to talk to anyone else in the school except for faculty, not allowed to eat hot food on the lunch line (bagels, salads, etc. are allowed), rake leaves/shovel snow/clean all the buildings (depending on the season), and must attend "5:30's" every day. What is a "5:30," you ask? It is when a student is required to be inside the gymnasium at 5:30 in the morning in order to conduct a workout. These include suicides (the type of running, not the taking of one's own life), laps, pushups, situps, wall-sits, and basically every form of physical work you can think of. I have been on "2-4" for weeks at a time because Hyde dean's THOUGHT that I had broken rules and still had them on my consciense, which I clearly did not. I am scared to use my real name on Amazon, my grade, what year I am in at Hyde, or even which campus I am at, because I would most likely be put on "2-4" for attitude and have to deal with multiple confrontations about something along the lines of a "rebel attitude."
I apologize because it seems that this is turning into a whole complaint and argument against Hyde, which is not my intention. This is not the place for that. However, I am just trying to portray some things regarding Hyde that you may not know of by just reading Joe Gauld's (whom I have had the pleasure of meeting, as well as his son, Malcom Gauld) book. I have lived this book for long enough to know what I am talking about.
Basically, my advice is to not look at this review and say "Hyde must be full of bs" because Hyde is far from it. Their views are great and their philosophy is great, but the way they teach it to their students is way too off. I suggest reading this book if you have children and carefully looking at all of the ideas and philosophies in the book. However, I suggest NOT teaching your children those ideas in the ways that may be described in the text, but rather using your own ways and seeing what works on your child, because no technique will work for everyone. Hyde's techniques have worked on a select few individuals in my school (I'd say around 7 out of over 200), and I have seen more negative results than positive results.
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On 2006-05-10 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I did a search on hyde:
zero results
Maybe there search engine sucks
Sue"
Here's more Internet commentary on Hyde (from Amazon):
Hyde Way or the Highway?, March 31, 2005
Reviewer: Sunshine "aaprima" (Miami, Florida) - See all my reviews
Much of what the Gaulds try to teach us in this book was inspired by the teachings of Malcolm's father, Joe Gauld (see his book, "Character First: The Hyde School Way and Why It Works"). The original book about Hyde talks in depth about the "Ten Priorities" for developing good character in your children. A few of the ten are, "truth over harmony", "attitude over aptitude," "principles over rules."
The problem I find with this book is the authors' "one size fits all" strategy for resolving students' and families' issues. In a perfect world we could apply these principles at home, as the authors suggest; we could have the prescribed "mandatory fun" within the family, and "fix" our families' dysfunctional patterns. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world and in this sense the authors' framework is unrealistic. Regrettably, the authors do not acknowledge the many well known failures at Hyde.
The authors take pride in how many students enrolled at Hyde are accepted to four year colleges. They do NOT, however, disclose to the reader the percentage of those students who actually graduate from college. As the parent of a former Hyde student I personally saw a large number of graduates at Hyde who did not succeed in college; many clearly had difficulty surviving in the "real world" after leaving Hyde's very controlled (and controlling) environment.
In addition, the book fails to acknowledge or discuss a very significant percentage of Hyde students: adopted children. Many of these students struggle at Hyde and do not respond well to the school's "one size fits all" program. Interested readers would do well to read an alternative book such as "Parenting the Hurt Child." This book will teach you how to love, praise, be patient and consistent with your child.
The Gaulds' book should also be supplemented by "Parenting a Teen with Love and Logic." Although I believe many of the exercises in the Hyde book are good, it concerns me that the Gaulds believe that all problems within a family are based on "character flaws." As we all know there are many psychological disorders with which struggling teens are diagnosed. These complex emotional struggles cannot all be corrected by the Hyde method explained in this book, although I do believe many character flaws can be addressed by the family involvement embraced by the authors. During my family's time at Hyde I saw many students at the school who had eating disorders, were suicidal, bulimic, violent, or addicted to drugs, yet the book's na�ve premise is that if students can work on themselves and their parents will work on themselves, all will be well! This is not only untrue, it is extraordinarily risky, especially at a time when violence in schools is so common. Some students struggle with genuine mental health problems that need to be treated as such.
Yes, read the book and get out of it what you can, but don't believe that this book provides an accurate portrait of Hyde. Also make sure your child is not missing out on the proper health and emotional care that comes from high quality mental health professionals.
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Five post that lead to a furry of private emails does not really look like a huge out cry on the net. Show me an I will believe. A book review on amazon? To quote Miles "So what?"
Sue
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Looks like Hyde School has some pretty deep issues themselves based on these comments!!
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On 2006-05-04 07:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-04 03:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't understand what you mean by "Lousy Publicity"?
The only bad stuff I'm seeing is on this little website, and people take this with a grain of salt!"
There's more bad publicity about Hyde than this website. I've talked with about a dozen parents (maybe more, I haven't counted precisely) whose educational consultants won't place kids with Hyde and are looking for something else. I've heard about at least 2 lawyers who have Hyde in their cross hairs. I'm pretty sure NEASC has investigated Hyde and has insisted on major changes there (I don't know all the details, but this is pretty common knowledge). There's also some very negative stuff about Hyde on other websites. "
OK so the claim was some negative stuff on other web sites. Yes you have found "some," negative stuff but not much. the URLs would be nice.
Sue
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Don't be so quick to denigrate Amazon book reviews. I'm a disgruntled parent of a former Woodstock student and the author of one of the current Amazon reviews (not one of the ones quoted). My current review is my second--the first, which was far more critical of the school, was removed by Amazon at the same time that it removed a bunch of other anti-Hyde reviews. Obviously the pro-Hyde people had complained. At the time I posted my reviews, this forum did not exist and the only other information available on the net about Hyde was the glowing PR-type stuff. Amazon reviews may not have the widest readership, but some people do see them. If nothing else, seeing other parents with legitimate complaints about the school made me feel less alone.
As for our experience with Hyde, the year my son spent at the Woodstock campus was one of the worst of our lives. The parent programs and discovery groups were sessions of abuse and ridicule if you didn't spout the party line, however inane and amateurish it might be. A one-on-one session with Joe Gauld was treated like an audience with the Pope. Everyone who has commented about the intense pressure that Hyde places on students and parents to conform is absolutely right. If you ask questions or disagree with the school, you're made to feel that you're being too selfish to do right by your kid. They say, "If the shoe fits, wear it." Well, there are a lot of people wearing ill-fitting shoes at Hyde, and a lot more shoes scattered on the ground.
The sad thing is that I bought into the party line to the point of almost sending my son back for a second year. The only thing that saved him was the fact that one of the star seniors in our discovery group got busted for drugs and shoplifting a few weeks after Spring Fling. She had been a True Hyde Success Story. She may have been talking the talk but she sure wasn'twalking the walk. In the end, the Emperor had no clothes.
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I don't think denegration was offered. Just the fact that there is not a lot of stuff out there.
South Dakota
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On 2006-05-11 15:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Don't be so quick to denigrate Amazon book reviews. I'm a disgruntled parent of a former Woodstock student and the author of one of the current Amazon reviews (not one of the ones quoted). My current review is my second--the first, which was far more critical of the school, was removed by Amazon at the same time that it removed a bunch of other anti-Hyde reviews. Obviously the pro-Hyde people had complained. At the time I posted my reviews, this forum did not exist and the only other information available on the net about Hyde was the glowing PR-type stuff. Amazon reviews may not have the widest readership, but some people do see them. If nothing else, seeing other parents with legitimate complaints about the school made me feel less alone.
As for our experience with Hyde, the year my son spent at the Woodstock campus was one of the worst of our lives. The parent programs and discovery groups were sessions of abuse and ridicule if you didn't spout the party line, however inane and amateurish it might be. A one-on-one session with Joe Gauld was treated like an audience with the Pope. Everyone who has commented about the intense pressure that Hyde places on students and parents to conform is absolutely right. If you ask questions or disagree with the school, you're made to feel that you're being too selfish to do right by your kid. They say, "If the shoe fits, wear it." Well, there are a lot of people wearing ill-fitting shoes at Hyde, and a lot more shoes scattered on the ground.
The sad thing is that I bought into the party line to the point of almost sending my son back for a second year. The only thing that saved him was the fact that one of the star seniors in our discovery group got busted for drugs and shoplifting a few weeks after Spring Fling. She had been a True Hyde Success Story. She may have been talking the talk but she sure wasn'twalking the walk. In the end, the Emperor had no clothes."
I can relate to what you are saying. One of the students highlighted in the Woodstock newletter about four years ago went on to graduate and do absolutely nothing up until now! He was also one of Hyde's success stories! If being the kind of kid who has done absolutely nothing for four years is a success story then we are all in trouble. No college, no steady job, not a thing to show for that degree. And what is it that Hyde advertises???? 100% of kids enroll in a four year school....hmmm...Another graduate from the same year has also gone on to do nothing other than living off of Mommy and Daddy's inheritance. I haven't kept up with everyone in my class, but I know a few more who dropped out of college or never went.
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i went to that fucked up school my sophmore year of high school. There is definatly bad things that go down there. Let me know if you guys wnat to hear anything about my experience.
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On 2006-05-13 08:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i went to that fucked up school my sophmore year of high school. There is definatly bad things that go down there. Let me know if you guys wnat to hear anything about my experience."
Hi, I would like to know about your experience. Which campus did you go to and how did you like it? How come u were sent there by ur parents?
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On 2006-05-13 08:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i went to that fucked up school my sophmore year of high school. There is definatly bad things that go down there. Let me know if you guys wnat to hear anything about my experience."
What was your experience at Hyde? Which campus did you go to? What are your impressions of Hyde, from a student's point of view?
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On 2006-05-10 18:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 17:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I did a search on hyde:
zero results
Maybe there search engine sucks
Sue"
You didn't look closely enough. Hyde is in there."
Here's more information about Hyde from the Internet (book review at Amazon):
More to Hyde than what is written..., April 5, 2005
Reviewer: Hyde Student (Hyde School) - See all my reviews
I am a current student at the Hyde School. I saw this book on amazon.com and immediately thought that I should post a comment on what I felt and truths behind the philosophy and how it is taught.
I recall hearing a statement that someone believes Hyde is viewed by many as something along the lines of a cult. It is true; many students have used that metaphor many times, including me. They believe that they are always right, and there is no way around it. Their philosophy is great; the views and things they try to teach the students are dead-on and I barely have any complaints about them. HOWEVER, they go about teaching them the wrong way. Example: There is a prinipal at Hyde that they call "Brother's Keeper," which is defined as holding eachother to their best. This idea is a great idea and should be practiced, however students should not be penalized and given severe consequences for such petty incidents such as being with someone who is wearing a hat inside a building. They go about dealing with students using profanity by making them do pushups rather than actually seeing the reason behind the profanity and seeing if there was, infact, true justification for it's use.
Example of a severe consequence? "2-4." I believe it stands for 24 hours in a day, in which a student is put on "2-4" for an indefinite period of time. While on "2-4," a student is not permitted to talk to anyone else in the school except for faculty, not allowed to eat hot food on the lunch line (bagels, salads, etc. are allowed), rake leaves/shovel snow/clean all the buildings (depending on the season), and must attend "5:30's" every day. What is a "5:30," you ask? It is when a student is required to be inside the gymnasium at 5:30 in the morning in order to conduct a workout. These include suicides (the type of running, not the taking of one's own life), laps, pushups, situps, wall-sits, and basically every form of physical work you can think of. I have been on "2-4" for weeks at a time because Hyde dean's THOUGHT that I had broken rules and still had them on my consciense, which I clearly did not. I am scared to use my real name on Amazon, my grade, what year I am in at Hyde, or even which campus I am at, because I would most likely be put on "2-4" for attitude and have to deal with multiple confrontations about something along the lines of a "rebel attitude."
I apologize because it seems that this is turning into a whole complaint and argument against Hyde, which is not my intention. This is not the place for that. However, I am just trying to portray some things regarding Hyde that you may not know of by just reading Joe Gauld's (whom I have had the pleasure of meeting, as well as his son, Malcom Gauld) book. I have lived this book for long enough to know what I am talking about.
Basically, my advice is to not look at this review and say "Hyde must be full of bs" because Hyde is far from it. Their views are great and their philosophy is great, but the way they teach it to their students is way too off. I suggest reading this book if you have children and carefully looking at all of the ideas and philosophies in the book. However, I suggest NOT teaching your children those ideas in the ways that may be described in the text, but rather using your own ways and seeing what works on your child, because no technique will work for everyone. Hyde's techniques have worked on a select few individuals in my school (I'd say around 7 out of over 200), and I have seen more negative results than positive results."
I agree with you when you say that some of the Hyde principles are good but the way the school implements them is so far off base. When I was at Hyde I witnessed many incidents where students were put on 2-4 for days at a time and given 5:30's when the staff should have realized that the kid was dealing with some major trauma or emotional problem. I think that's Hyde's most serious problem. They react to everything as if its an attitude problem. I can hear Joe Gauld's voice as I write this. The truth is that there are so many different reasons why kids have trouble at Hyde. Calling everything an attitude problem is just plain wrong. Many of the kids I knew at Hyde needed a different kind of school. I can see that now.
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On 2006-05-17 02:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 18:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 17:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I did a search on hyde:
zero results
Maybe there search engine sucks
Sue"
You didn't look closely enough. Hyde is in there."
Here's more information about Hyde from the Internet (book review at Amazon):
More to Hyde than what is written..., April 5, 2005
Reviewer: Hyde Student (Hyde School) - See all my reviews
I am a current student at the Hyde School. I saw this book on amazon.com and immediately thought that I should post a comment on what I felt and truths behind the philosophy and how it is taught.
I recall hearing a statement that someone believes Hyde is viewed by many as something along the lines of a cult. It is true; many students have used that metaphor many times, including me. They believe that they are always right, and there is no way around it. Their philosophy is great; the views and things they try to teach the students are dead-on and I barely have any complaints about them. HOWEVER, they go about teaching them the wrong way. Example: There is a prinipal at Hyde that they call "Brother's Keeper," which is defined as holding eachother to their best. This idea is a great idea and should be practiced, however students should not be penalized and given severe consequences for such petty incidents such as being with someone who is wearing a hat inside a building. They go about dealing with students using profanity by making them do pushups rather than actually seeing the reason behind the profanity and seeing if there was, infact, true justification for it's use.
Example of a severe consequence? "2-4." I believe it stands for 24 hours in a day, in which a student is put on "2-4" for an indefinite period of time. While on "2-4," a student is not permitted to talk to anyone else in the school except for faculty, not allowed to eat hot food on the lunch line (bagels, salads, etc. are allowed), rake leaves/shovel snow/clean all the buildings (depending on the season), and must attend "5:30's" every day. What is a "5:30," you ask? It is when a student is required to be inside the gymnasium at 5:30 in the morning in order to conduct a workout. These include suicides (the type of running, not the taking of one's own life), laps, pushups, situps, wall-sits, and basically every form of physical work you can think of. I have been on "2-4" for weeks at a time because Hyde dean's THOUGHT that I had broken rules and still had them on my consciense, which I clearly did not. I am scared to use my real name on Amazon, my grade, what year I am in at Hyde, or even which campus I am at, because I would most likely be put on "2-4" for attitude and have to deal with multiple confrontations about something along the lines of a "rebel attitude."
I apologize because it seems that this is turning into a whole complaint and argument against Hyde, which is not my intention. This is not the place for that. However, I am just trying to portray some things regarding Hyde that you may not know of by just reading Joe Gauld's (whom I have had the pleasure of meeting, as well as his son, Malcom Gauld) book. I have lived this book for long enough to know what I am talking about.
Basically, my advice is to not look at this review and say "Hyde must be full of bs" because Hyde is far from it. Their views are great and their philosophy is great, but the way they teach it to their students is way too off. I suggest reading this book if you have children and carefully looking at all of the ideas and philosophies in the book. However, I suggest NOT teaching your children those ideas in the ways that may be described in the text, but rather using your own ways and seeing what works on your child, because no technique will work for everyone. Hyde's techniques have worked on a select few individuals in my school (I'd say around 7 out of over 200), and I have seen more negative results than positive results."
I agree with you when you say that some of the Hyde principles are good but the way the school implements them is so far off base. When I was at Hyde I witnessed many incidents where students were put on 2-4 for days at a time and given 5:30's when the staff should have realized that the kid was dealing with some major trauma or emotional problem. I think that's Hyde's most serious problem. They react to everything as if its an attitude problem. I can hear Joe Gauld's voice as I write this. The truth is that there are so many different reasons why kids have trouble at Hyde. Calling everything an attitude problem is just plain wrong. Many of the kids I knew at Hyde needed a different kind of school. I can see that now."
When kids go on 2-4, what do they do about school? Isn't there a law that kids have to go to school a certain many days a year? Does this not apply to private schools? Would be interesting to look this up. Hyde might not legally be allowed to keep these kids out of class for as long as these kids are reporting.
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On 2006-05-24 06:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-17 02:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 18:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 17:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-10 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I did a search on hyde:
zero results
Maybe there search engine sucks
Sue"
You didn't look closely enough. Hyde is in there."
Here's more information about Hyde from the Internet (book review at Amazon):
More to Hyde than what is written..., April 5, 2005
Reviewer: Hyde Student (Hyde School) - See all my reviews
I am a current student at the Hyde School. I saw this book on amazon.com and immediately thought that I should post a comment on what I felt and truths behind the philosophy and how it is taught.
I recall hearing a statement that someone believes Hyde is viewed by many as something along the lines of a cult. It is true; many students have used that metaphor many times, including me. They believe that they are always right, and there is no way around it. Their philosophy is great; the views and things they try to teach the students are dead-on and I barely have any complaints about them. HOWEVER, they go about teaching them the wrong way. Example: There is a prinipal at Hyde that they call "Brother's Keeper," which is defined as holding eachother to their best. This idea is a great idea and should be practiced, however students should not be penalized and given severe consequences for such petty incidents such as being with someone who is wearing a hat inside a building. They go about dealing with students using profanity by making them do pushups rather than actually seeing the reason behind the profanity and seeing if there was, infact, true justification for it's use.
Example of a severe consequence? "2-4." I believe it stands for 24 hours in a day, in which a student is put on "2-4" for an indefinite period of time. While on "2-4," a student is not permitted to talk to anyone else in the school except for faculty, not allowed to eat hot food on the lunch line (bagels, salads, etc. are allowed), rake leaves/shovel snow/clean all the buildings (depending on the season), and must attend "5:30's" every day. What is a "5:30," you ask? It is when a student is required to be inside the gymnasium at 5:30 in the morning in order to conduct a workout. These include suicides (the type of running, not the taking of one's own life), laps, pushups, situps, wall-sits, and basically every form of physical work you can think of. I have been on "2-4" for weeks at a time because Hyde dean's THOUGHT that I had broken rules and still had them on my consciense, which I clearly did not. I am scared to use my real name on Amazon, my grade, what year I am in at Hyde, or even which campus I am at, because I would most likely be put on "2-4" for attitude and have to deal with multiple confrontations about something along the lines of a "rebel attitude."
I apologize because it seems that this is turning into a whole complaint and argument against Hyde, which is not my intention. This is not the place for that. However, I am just trying to portray some things regarding Hyde that you may not know of by just reading Joe Gauld's (whom I have had the pleasure of meeting, as well as his son, Malcom Gauld) book. I have lived this book for long enough to know what I am talking about.
Basically, my advice is to not look at this review and say "Hyde must be full of bs" because Hyde is far from it. Their views are great and their philosophy is great, but the way they teach it to their students is way too off. I suggest reading this book if you have children and carefully looking at all of the ideas and philosophies in the book. However, I suggest NOT teaching your children those ideas in the ways that may be described in the text, but rather using your own ways and seeing what works on your child, because no technique will work for everyone. Hyde's techniques have worked on a select few individuals in my school (I'd say around 7 out of over 200), and I have seen more negative results than positive results."
I agree with you when you say that some of the Hyde principles are good but the way the school implements them is so far off base. When I was at Hyde I witnessed many incidents where students were put on 2-4 for days at a time and given 5:30's when the staff should have realized that the kid was dealing with some major trauma or emotional problem. I think that's Hyde's most serious problem. They react to everything as if its an attitude problem. I can hear Joe Gauld's voice as I write this. The truth is that there are so many different reasons why kids have trouble at Hyde. Calling everything an attitude problem is just plain wrong. Many of the kids I knew at Hyde needed a different kind of school. I can see that now."
When kids go on 2-4, what do they do about school? Isn't there a law that kids have to go to school a certain many days a year? Does this not apply to private schools? Would be interesting to look this up. Hyde might not legally be allowed to keep these kids out of class for as long as these kids are reporting."
My experience at Hyde is that academics often take a back seat (in fact, sometimes they're in the car's trunk). Kids who struggle there and are on 2-4 a lot can miss lots of classes, assignments, etc. The school tends to focus on the attitude issues primarily. I like emphasizing attitude issues. But, sadly, I have found Hyde's approach to be very naive and, for many students, very ineffective. The combination of below average academics and a very unimpressive way of dealing with the large numbers of struggling students (emotional, behavioral, academic) has convinced me that Hyde is a very poor choice for any student who needs strong supports, nurturing yet firm staff, constructive limits, and high quality education. We decided to leave Hyde because of the inferior quality of so much of what it has to offer. Hyde seems to "work" for a very narrow slice of its student body whose challenges are pretty much limited to "attitude" and "defiance."
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Well, yesterday was graduation day at the Woodstock campus of Hyde School. I've never been more ashamed to be affiliated with a school. The Hyde staff are full of upbeat rhetoric about the school's mission and character education. They're good at displaying the smattering of Hyde success stories.
Those of us who have been affiliated with Hyde know better. The speeches sound good, and occasionally some good things happen. But underneath all the Hyde rhetoric is an enormous amount of pathology that the school manages to cover up.
Yesterday there were only about 30 graduates, only some of whom got the full Hyde degree and gave speeches. Hyde proclaims that truth should prevail. Will Hyde answer the following questions truthfully?
What percentage of kids who start Hyde actually finish? By my count, a graduating class of about 30 (not all of whom completed the full Hyde program) means that many kids dropped out.
How many kids drop out of Hyde? Why do they leave?
What percentage of Hyde graduates actually finish college?
How many Hyde students begin the school with serious histories of mental health and substance abuse problems?
What services does Hyde give these students to help them with their problems?
How many times has Hyde been sued? What do the lawsuits claim happened at Hyde?
How many Hyde faculty have been disciplined or forced to leave the school because of misconduct?
Remember Hyde adminstrators: "When in doubt, bet on the truth." What is the truth?
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On 2006-05-29 06:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, yesterday was graduation day at the Woodstock campus of Hyde School. I've never been more ashamed to be affiliated with a school. The Hyde staff are full of upbeat rhetoric about the school's mission and character education. They're good at displaying the smattering of Hyde success stories.
Those of us who have been affiliated with Hyde know better. The speeches sound good, and occasionally some good things happen. But underneath all the Hyde rhetoric is an enormous amount of pathology that the school manages to cover up.
Yesterday there were only about 30 graduates, only some of whom got the full Hyde degree and gave speeches. Hyde proclaims that truth should prevail. Will Hyde answer the following questions truthfully?
What percentage of kids who start Hyde actually finish? By my count, a graduating class of about 30 (not all of whom completed the full Hyde program) means that many kids dropped out.
How many kids drop out of Hyde? Why do they leave?
What percentage of Hyde graduates actually finish college?
How many Hyde students begin the school with serious histories of mental health and substance abuse problems?
What services does Hyde give these students to help them with their problems?
How many times has Hyde been sued? What do the lawsuits claim happened at Hyde?
How many Hyde faculty have been disciplined or forced to leave the school because of misconduct?
Remember Hyde adminstrators: "When in doubt, bet on the truth." What is the truth?
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Whoever wrote the above obviously has experienced Hyde's "pathetic" success rate to it's fullest! Being a former parent I share in this individuals disgust for the hypocricy and lies which permeate every part of this so called school. My only regret that with all the lawsuits and with all the frustration that so many parents have gone through, that this institution continues to exist. Hopefully one day enough people will have the courage speak out publicly like you and many other people have and put an end
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On 2006-05-29 06:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, yesterday was graduation day at the Woodstock campus of Hyde School. I've never been more ashamed to be affiliated with a school. The Hyde staff are full of upbeat rhetoric about the school's mission and character education. They're good at displaying the smattering of Hyde success stories.
Those of us who have been affiliated with Hyde know better. The speeches sound good, and occasionally some good things happen. But underneath all the Hyde rhetoric is an enormous amount of pathology that the school manages to cover up.
Yesterday there were only about 30 graduates, only some of whom got the full Hyde degree and gave speeches. Hyde proclaims that truth should prevail. Will Hyde answer the following questions truthfully?
What percentage of kids who start Hyde actually finish? By my count, a graduating class of about 30 (not all of whom completed the full Hyde program) means that many kids dropped out.
How many kids drop out of Hyde? Why do they leave?
What percentage of Hyde graduates actually finish college?
How many Hyde students begin the school with serious histories of mental health and substance abuse problems?
What services does Hyde give these students to help them with their problems?
How many times has Hyde been sued? What do the lawsuits claim happened at Hyde?
How many Hyde faculty have been disciplined or forced to leave the school because of misconduct?
Remember Hyde adminstrators: "When in doubt, bet on the truth." What is the truth?
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Whoever wrote the above obviously has experienced Hyde's "pathetic" success rate to it's fullest! Being a former parent I share in this individuals disgust for the hypocricy and lies which permeate every part of this so called school. My only regret that with all the lawsuits and with all the frustration that so many parents have gone through, that this institution continues to exist. Hopefully one day enough people will have the courage to speak out publicly like you and many other people have, and put an end to this exploitive so called educational institution
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Laura Gauld, from the Bath campus, has been appointed the new head of Hyde/Woodstock. As the parent of a student at Bath, I have seen her in action many times. She will be superb.
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On 2006-05-30 05:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Laura Gauld, from the Bath campus, has been appointed the new head of Hyde/Woodstock. As the parent of a student at Bath, I have seen her in action many times. She will be superb."
Laura Gauld may be very competent. However, key components of the Hyde model are fundamentally flawed. For me to refer to Hyde any of the parents who approach me, in their efforts to find the right school for their child, I'd need to see evidence of a significant overhaul in the school's ways of treating students and parents, qualifications and training of faculty, the school's ability to screen out students whose mental health and substance abuse issues aren't likely to be addressed at Hyde, the quality of the classroom experience, etc. Anyone who knows boarding schools knows there's a huge difference between the competence of a headmaster and the overall quality of a school's philosophy, staff, education, and so on. I wish Laura Gauld well. The mere fact that she's at the helm doesn't convince me that I should refer anyone to Hyde. Perhaps the Hyde culture will change with her at the helm; I have my doubts that she can change the very disturbing aspects of the Hyde School culture.
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Laura Gauld might be very good, but in order to have the school run properly they need a full time on campus Headmaster. This will not be the case with Laura. Why is it that Hyde School and the Gauld's do not want to let someone other than a family member run the school? Why are they jeopardizing the quality of the school by having a part time Headmaster rather than promoting someone else from within. Could it be that there is no one qualified?
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What are you talking about...She's moving to Woodstock and visiting Bath one weekend a month. That is not Part Time. Malcolm will be living in Woodstock oart time, that's all.
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On 2006-05-30 18:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What are you talking about...She's moving to Woodstock and visiting Bath one weekend a month. That is not Part Time. Malcolm will be living in Woodstock oart time, that's all."
Where did you get this info from? According to the school she is commuting every weekend. Did something change?
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Laura is the best thing about Hyde School, but that doesn't change a flawed system that is bigger than she is by far.
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"Never underestimate the power of a woman"--Nellie McClung
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The letter about Laura taking the job in Woodstock was written by Malcolm...who said HE would be coming down every weekend.
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On 2006-06-01 02:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The letter about Laura taking the job in Woodstock was written by Malcolm...who said HE would be coming down every weekend."
My concern is not about Laura and the percentage of her time she will spend in Woodstock, Bath, or anywhere else. I trust her judgment on this. Rather, my overwhelming concern is that Hyde is such an amazingly flawed school with so many problems that they are hard to list completely. Making this one change at the top of the Woodstock campus cannot possibly fix the pervasive problems at that school. I feel very discouraged.
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I think you are very wrong. The change you will see in Woodstock will be the transformation from Hyde Light to a true character culture, where Hyde works the best. A perfect example is the elimination of non-character faculty like Tom Lord. It was a gutsy move on LG's part, but it's the first step towards making Hyde Woodstock..."Hyde"..
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On 2006-06-01 05:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think you are very wrong. The change you will see in Woodstock will be the transformation from Hyde Light to a true character culture, where Hyde works the best. A perfect example is the elimination of non-character faculty like Tom Lord. It was a gutsy move on LG's part, but it's the first step towards making Hyde Woodstock..."Hyde".."
I wish you were right, but I'm not at all optimistic. How will Laura Gauld fix all the problems related to the huge percentage of kids that Hyde admits with serious mental health/substance abuse problems when they don't have the right model in place to help these kids (And to argue that Hyde's narrow application of "character education" is what will help these kids is beyond arrogant.); the remarkable number of young, inexperienced faculty, many of whom are struggling with their own issues and are the last people who should be the principal advisors and role models for all these seriously struggling teens; the below mediocre quality of classroom instruction and academic rigor in many classes; the "in your face" treatment of many parents and students; the pervasive arrogance that leaks all over Hyde; the large drop-out rate; the toxic Joe Gauld influence? Do you really think Laura Gauld can fix all that?
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On 2006-06-01 06:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-01 05:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think you are very wrong. The change you will see in Woodstock will be the transformation from Hyde Light to a true character culture, where Hyde works the best. A perfect example is the elimination of non-character faculty like Tom Lord. It was a gutsy move on LG's part, but it's the first step towards making Hyde Woodstock..."Hyde".."
I wish you were right, but I'm not at all optimistic. How will Laura Gauld fix all the problems related to the huge percentage of kids that Hyde admits with serious mental health/substance abuse problems when they don't have the right model in place to help these kids (And to argue that Hyde's narrow application of "character education" is what will help these kids is beyond arrogant.); the remarkable number of young, inexperienced faculty, many of whom are struggling with their own issues and are the last people who should be the principal advisors and role models for all these seriously struggling teens; the below mediocre quality of classroom instruction and academic rigor in many classes; the "in your face" treatment of many parents and students; the pervasive arrogance that leaks all over Hyde; the large drop-out rate; the toxic Joe Gauld influence? Do you really think Laura Gauld can fix all that?"
I did not hear anything about Tom Lord leaving. Hyde has always used him as a poster teacher because he is one of the few who has decent teaching credentials.
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This isn't really about Laura. I wish it were that simple, b/c I have great respect for her. BUT, she IS married to Malcolm and thus is part of the Gauld clan. Do we know that Laura would want to do things differently if she could?
That family system will not allow her the leeway to make changes so dramatic as to reform the underlying flaws of Hyde School and stop the damage it is doing to students and their families. It is a cult of personality focused on Joe, and now Malcolm. Consider the Washington situation and Joe's interaction with that faculty in light of his temper flare that is described under a different thread. Joanne is another fine individual. But, she cannot have the autonomy necessary to break away from a flawed situation of the group. Who knows, anyway, whether she would really want to? The Gaulds have been a kind of surrogate family for her, I would guess.
One of the craziest things, as another person has written somewhere on this site, is if you just read Joe's book, you think Hyde is a great idea. Just like Laura is a great person. But one cannot separate the ideas and principles from the personalities in this case, and unfortunately the personalities of the Gauld males, in particular, frighten me.
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On 2006-06-01 05:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think you are very wrong. The change you will see in Woodstock will be the transformation from Hyde Light to a true character culture, where Hyde works the best. A perfect example is the elimination of non-character faculty like Tom Lord. It was a gutsy move on LG's part, but it's the first step towards making Hyde Woodstock..."Hyde".."
Why would you make a comment like this? Tom was one of the most loved teachers at Hyde with the strongest background in education. What kind of education does Laura have?
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What does non-character faculty mean?
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On 2006-06-02 17:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What does non-character faculty mean?"
What do you consider character? The staff who are recovering addicts, or cowards because they can't move on in life? Is this the kind of character that should be taught to our kids. If "the apple doesn't fall far" then you would have Hyde teaching kids how to be cripples who use Hyde as a crutch. This is all that Hyde is, a CRUTCH for loosers!!
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Fuck off and die. As if there could be any question that sending your kid(s) off to some pseudo-therapeutic greed-based mind control cult is any kind of solution to anything!!! You all should have been abortions yourselves and have no business being responisible for the life of another human being! FUCK YOU!!!
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On 2006-06-02 21:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Fuck off and die. As if there could be any question that sending your kid(s) off to some pseudo-therapeutic greed-based mind control cult is any kind of solution to anything!!! You all should have been abortions yourselves and have no business being responisible for the life of another human being! FUCK YOU!!! "
You are right. Sending my child to Hyde was not the answer and I am ashamed and sorry for it. I think that saying I should have .been aborted is a bit extreme We all make mistakes and I made a huge one when thinking that this so called Character based school would help my child. I feel badly enough about putting my child through the awful experience! I hope you will reconsider what you said and learn that people make mistakes and it is through those mistakes that we hopefully become better people, and learn and grow!
I declare publicly that I was not a well informed or smart parent when sending my child to Hyde. It is because of this that I feel it is important to get the word out to other parents so they will not live with the same guilt! Hyde is a frightening place and from what I am reading on these posts it is becoming more frightening by the minute.
I can understand your bitterness and hope that through this website you too can make a difference for other uneducated parents who put their kids lives in the hands of Educational Consultants who might have guided them in the wrong direction. Instead of attacking those who might have made a mistake, please help us help others not to make the same mistake!
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Instead of attacking those who might have made a mistake, please help us help others not to make the same mistake!
Excellent point, Smithers!
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On 2006-06-01 03:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-01 02:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The letter about Laura taking the job in Woodstock was written by Malcolm...who said HE would be coming down every weekend."
My concern is not about Laura and the percentage of her time she will spend in Woodstock, Bath, or anywhere else. I trust her judgment on this. Rather, my overwhelming concern is that Hyde is such an amazingly flawed school with so many problems that they are hard to list completely. Making this one change at the top of the Woodstock campus cannot possibly fix the pervasive problems at that school. I feel very discouraged."
Does anyone know what kind of credentials Laura Gauld has to run a boarding school?
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She gave some good blow jobs, I heard. :lol:
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Who ever posted the above is an asshole.
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Your MOTHER is an asshole.
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On 2006-06-04 08:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Your MOTHER is an asshole."
Ok, lets stop the childish games. Go to another board if you want to attack people. The question is.....What are Laura Gauld's credentials to be a Headmaster? What are her degrees in and where did she go to school. Does anyone know the answer to this besides the wise cracks who have invaded the board.
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Your mom knows the answer to this! :lol:
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On 2006-06-04 08:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-04 08:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Your MOTHER is an asshole."
Ok, lets stop the childish games. Go to another board if you want to attack people. The question is.....What are Laura Gauld's credentials to be a Headmaster? What are her degrees in and where did she go to school. Does anyone know the answer to this besides the wise cracks who have invaded the board."
Here you go:
http://hyde.edu/page.ww?section=News+De ... tem.id=641 (http://hyde.edu/page.ww?section=News+Detail&name=View+News&newsItem.id=641)
I am sorry, but I like and respect Laura. The remark that implied that she has gained her status in the hyde commnunity in exchange for sexual favours is IMHO beyond the pale. Remarks like that can only be made by a boorish "asshole"
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On 2006-06-04 12:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-04 08:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-04 08:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Your MOTHER is an asshole."
Ok, lets stop the childish games. Go to another board if you want to attack people. The question is.....What are Laura Gauld's credentials to be a Headmaster? What are her degrees in and where did she go to school. Does anyone know the answer to this besides the wise cracks who have invaded the board."
Here you go:
http://hyde.edu/page.ww?section=News+De ... tem.id=641 (http://hyde.edu/page.ww?section=News+Detail&name=View+News&newsItem.id=641)
I am sorry, but I like and respect Laura. The remark that implied that she has gained her status in the hyde commnunity in exchange for sexual favours is IMHO beyond the pale. Remarks like that can only be made by a boorish "asshole"
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I don't think anyone should be attacking Laura Gauld. Thank you for responding and posting the link, but the link doesn't say much. Notice there is not any mention of a degree even though it talks about her studies. You can go to college for 10 years but it doesn't mean you will walk out with a Doctorate. Do you know if she has a degree and what this degree is in? The posting on the Hyde website skirts over this.
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She has her masters degree in cunnilingus. :lol:
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Not funny and obviously a current student at Hyde. This folks are the types of kids who go to Hyde and who your children will be around should you decide to send them there.
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:scared: :scared: :roll: Wrong, asshole! :lol:
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(i'm not a student there & never was)
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On 2006-06-04 17:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
Not funny and obviously a current student at Hyde. This folks are the types of kids who go to Hyde and who your children will be around should you decide to send them there.
Nice job attempting to put a participant on display as an example of how Hyde produces 'fucked up' people. Just because someone has what you consider to be a 'sick' sense of humor this automatically means that they must be a former resident? And furthermore that it's no surprise that they ended up getting put in a TC like Hyde because after all, what is society expected to do with someone who would make a joke about female genitalia on a public forum? :roll:
Could you be a little more condescending? :lol:
It's judgemental fools like YOU that are actually part of the problem; despite what you claim otherwise.....
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On 2006-06-05 07:13:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
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On 2006-06-04 17:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
Not funny and obviously a current student at Hyde. This folks are the types of kids who go to Hyde and who your children will be around should you decide to send them there.
Nice job attempting to put a participant on display as an example of how Hyde produces 'fucked up' people. Just because someone has what you consider to be a 'sick' sense of humor this automatically means that they must be a former resident? And furthermore that it's no surprise that they ended up getting put in a TC like Hyde because after all, what is society expected to do with someone who would make a joke about female genitalia on a public forum? :roll:
Could you be a little more condescending? :lol:
It's judgemental fools like YOU that are actually part of the problem; despite what you claim otherwise....."
Why else would someone come on this board unless they have ties to Hyde or want to find out about Hyde? On one hand you say that I am falsly assuming this kid went to Hyde and in the next sentence you say I shouldn't be surprised that this is someone from Hyde. Make up your mind. What interest do you have in Hyde?????
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and in the next sentence you say I shouldn't be surprised that this is someone from Hyde.
Please read it again...that's what I was stating that you were (more or less) saying -- note that there was another question mark at the end of that sentence...
Did it ever occur to you that 'outsiders' might be interested in this forum? Anyone can read this stuff.
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I am guessing that since the school year is over, Hyde students have more access to this forum, and thus the nature of some of the entries has become more crude, sexual, insulting.
This disturbs me.
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This disturbs me.
Prude. :roll:
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On 2006-06-05 14:41:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"This disturbs me.
Prude. :roll:"
That was insulting but not sexual or crude. You are batting .333 Frank.
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I have been reading posts on this website about the Hyde School. During the past few months I've had contact with about a half dozen other parents who also have tried to find the right school for their child. Several of them had heard about Hyde and, like me, started to check it out. Word has spread about this website and all of those parents that I've been involved with have been scared off by the negative comments about Hyde. Two of the group had made interview appointments at Hyde and cancelled them because of what they read on this website. Two days ago I contacted an educational consultant who told me that he has had such negative experiences with the Hyde School that he won't send any of his clients there. He talked about how Hyde tries to handle very challenging behavior problems with staff who don't have training to do this. This consultant also told me that Hyde has had lots of problems with kids and families dropping out and staff turnover. He thinks Hyde is not the right place for most teens who have problems. He encourages his clients to look at other schools that are more equipped to help these teens.
I've read on this website some comments that only a few people participate in this discussion. I can tell you from my own personal experience that this website has influenced people who never post a comment. This website certainly has influenced me and the parents I'm in touch with. Some people read these comments and decide to stay away from Hyde or cancel their visits.
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On 2006-06-08 05:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I have been reading posts on this website about the Hyde School. During the past few months I've had contact with about a half dozen other parents who also have tried to find the right school for their child. Several of them had heard about Hyde and, like me, started to check it out. Word has spread about this website and all of those parents that I've been involved with have been scared off by the negative comments about Hyde. Two of the group had made interview appointments at Hyde and cancelled them because of what they read on this website. Two days ago I contacted an educational consultant who told me that he has had such negative experiences with the Hyde School that he won't send any of his clients there. He talked about how Hyde tries to handle very challenging behavior problems with staff who don't have training to do this. This consultant also told me that Hyde has had lots of problems with kids and families dropping out and staff turnover. He thinks Hyde is not the right place for most teens who have problems. He encourages his clients to look at other schools that are more equipped to help these teens.
I've read on this website some comments that only a few people participate in this discussion. I can tell you from my own personal experience that this website has influenced people who never post a comment. This website certainly has influenced me and the parents I'm in touch with. Some people read these comments and decide to stay away from Hyde or cancel their visits. "
Nice try Tommy.
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DITTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!