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OverLordd
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  posted July 11, 2005 01:32 PM                        
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Ok, lets look at this logically.

You say your child is very smart, which is a wonderful thing. That is why sending him off to camp, or to school would be a foolish move, learning at camps and at resident schools is nearly non existant, because they are always trying to treat this and that.

You say your sun is disrespectful, lets look at that. In your story you seem to do nothing diserveing of respect. You sent him to a out of disrect alternative school, which ruined his year. You and your husband are not even unifyed on what should be done. Why in the wrold should he respect you? And dont lay down a line about I diserve respect because of my position as parent, because thats bull, respect for a position in work is one thing, in the social and family interaction circles is completely diffrent. You have to earn the respect of a youth, with most it is already given freely, but if you botch it up it will be taken away. He does not respect you because of your past actions.

Somthing you also have to look at, smart children dont bend over and take it. Thats is the fact of youth, many of them can be sharper than the adults around them, and they have no difficulty seeing past any and all attempts to modify who they are. I would compare trying to break a smart independant child with trying to break a POW, it can be done, but why would you treat them like that if you care about them? Most likely, if you send him away he would hate you and disrespect you all the more, unless you break his spirit, then you give him a whole list of new issues.

If you want to send him off so some dis-honored drill sergent can scream at him, so be it, but it is not the best move you can make.

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KareninDallas
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  posted July 11, 2005 02:58 PM                        
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Overlordd, your credibility on this site is non-existent. Please go back to Dev-ville, or whereever you came from.
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http://www.worldtalkradio.com/archive.asp?aid=4015

Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you will see segments 1-3 click them to listen to the show.

I was at the meeting on the sale of Kemper tonght. There was a few supporters but about 2/3's was agaist the sale. I started with my presentation and imeadialy tripped up the plans Randal Hinton made right off. First i laid down the licesning laws in Missouri and then ask Randal Hinton if he was going to be the program administrator. He said yes and i then laid down the state guidlines for a program administrated and he did not meet any of them!

They finally admitted they would have to hire somone who was qualified to do the job and work with Randal Hinton.

Next i as them about runaways and how they are going to be handled? He said that if the know somone was going to run they would talk to them.

I then ask what would keep them there? He again said they would talk to them.

I then ask if they just bolted and ran would you restrain them or use force to keep them there? He said NO they would just let the kid run, calling the parents and police. And a staff member would follow them.

Next i brought up the issiues of ranaways stealing cars to escape and protecting the community and that Kemper or WWASP would not be respisable for runaways actions. This outraged the room and others later ask how they would be protedcted as well!

I ended the proposal and then Ned Beach ask the room how many supports licesensure and the whole room raised their hands! Even the Hintons agreed!

The rest of the meeting deal with issues that are already known.

http://www.usaguidescorp.com/images/usa ... 60_120.mov

i am reading the wwasp vs. pure tanscrips WWASP is using the information on your hard drive you sold WWASP to try to impeach Amber Knight. We used to talk and trade e-mails too. I guess WWASP has our corespondence as well. I was pissed you sold that info to WWASP now even more. If i ever have to fight WWASP directly and any info is used agaist me from you hard drive you can expect to hear from the lawyers!!!!

This is a new website being worked on
http://www.bethelreview.netfirms.com/

I need help on these pages:

http://www.bethelreview.netfirms.com/interest.htm
On this page i need the complete history of Bethel Academy starting where and how Herman Fountain got his training and goes to present day.

http://bethelreview.netfirms.com/about.htm  this page will tell the complte history of WWASP and how they came to be starting back to the days Rob Litchfield was selling used cars and going to present day.

http://bethelreview.netfirms.com/photo.htm  send your photographs to me so i can post them

http://bethelreview.netfirms.com/document.htm  any documents you have that are not listed on this page send them to me please.

http://bethelreview.netfirms.com/muliti-m.htm  any audio/video footage you have of WWASP or Bethel i need as well. I am looking for the auctual High Impact footage Sue Scheif has and woudnt realease to help the cause. She held onto it to save her own ass. Now it is uder seal and she cant realse it i have been told. Anyone else have it?   Just to clairy thing i talked to Sue she has the same footage i have and that is the inside edition footage. That shows high impact somewhat... I need the version that the mexican police shot...  I am sorry i assumed Sue had the Version that is sought after... To be fair to her she and her lawyers showed the inside edition tape, not the orginal mexican police footage. The inside edition footage was never with held. I still strongly disagree with PURE and its "approved" escorts and "safe" programs we dont even know the names of.... But i am appoligizing for accusing her of withholding somingthing she never had. I do know how to find it now thanks to her though. One word of Caution to PURE, we are after WWASP and Bethel Academy now! Dont think when we close them and make them pay for what they done PURE will move in and profit. If anyone tries that they will be the next victom of the lawyers......

Send me a e-mail if you can help out.  [email protected]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/state ... news-state

CALIFORNIA
U.S. Faults Mexico Over Closure of 3 Baja Schools
 
By Richard Marosi, Times Staff Writer


The U.S. State Department plans to send a letter of protest to Mexican officials over the handling last week of the closure of three schools for troubled teenagers in Baja California, amid complaints from parents and school officials that Mexican authorities have yet to justify their actions.

More than 500 students and staff were forced to return to the United States and other countries after Mexican authorities closed the facilities in Ensenada and Rosarito Beach. The largest school, Casa by the Sea, housed about 550 boys and girls at a former hotel overlooking the Pacific Ocean
   
     
Mexican authorities said they acted after unspecified complaints of physical and mental abuse at the schools, which tout themselves as behavior modification institutions for children involved in gangs, drugs and other dangerous activities.

But no details of the alleged abuse have been provided to the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana, spokeswoman Liza Davis said. She said the State Department would send a letter citing the abrupt and disorganized manner in which officials from three Mexican agencies shut down the schools.

In some cases, parents were not allowed to see their children for several hours while Mexican officials questioned them, Davis said. At one point, fights broke out among some of the students, she said.

"Our position is they have every right to ? inspect facilities just as in the U.S.," Davis said. "Our problem is largely with how it was done, because it was quite chaotic."

The other schools closed were Casa la Esperanza, with 20 students, and Genesis by the Sea, with 26 students.

Mexican officials did not return calls seeking comment. A statement released earlier this week said the schools' operations were suspended because of poor record keeping, improper licenses and poor management of prescription drugs, some of which had expired. Officials said one school had an electric perimeter fence and another had a punishment cell.

Ken Kay, a spokesman for Casa by the Sea, denied that the facility had a punishment cell or an electric fence. And he cited a Mexican media report earlier this week that said a Mexican health official had found no evidence of abuse.

"We are relieved that there is no substantiation to the abuse allegations," Kay said.

Schools for troubled teens have generated controversy in the past for their alternative teaching methods and, some say, excessive disciplinary techniques. Similar facilities have been closed in Mexico, the Czech Republic and other countries.

Several parents of children who attended Casa by the Sea said the school had no record of complaints and was straightening out teenagers' lives. They expressed concern that false accusations were marring the facility's reputation.

"I just don't want Casa to get a bad name," said Carol Rivardi, a Rancho Santa Margarita resident whose 16-year-old daughter attended the school for one year.

"My daughter had no self-esteem; now she has values and beliefs. It has totally changed her," Rivardi said.

But some applauded the closures. "I'm rejoicing," said Roderick S. Hall, a San Diego-area clinical psychologist who said several students over the years had reported psychological abuse at the school to him. "I think the [schools] play on parents' fears and then play on kids' fears to shape up, and it's not constructive in the long run."

Casa by the Sea was a last resort, according to parents who said they had run out of options.



Many parents said they selected Casa by the Sea because it was the closest facility of its kind to Southern California. They also said that the tuition ? which ranged from $2,000 to $3,500 per month ? was substantially lower than alternative schools in the United States.

Progress at the facility was based on a point system, with good behavior rewarded with privileges like movies. Misbehaving children were forced to sit alone in a room and listen to motivational tapes, parents said. One parent said the discipline went further.

Michael McNulte, a Long Beach resident, said his son told him that the most problematic children were on occasion "slammed" into a wall. McNulte said the practice didn't upset him, having been raised in strict Catholic schools in the 1960s.

"Tough love," said McNulty. "I don't think it was excessive."

Mexican officials initially said they had received complaints from four children alleging physical or mental abuse. Dozens of officials descended on the schools on the evening of Sept. 10 and interviewed students there for hours.

San Diego police officers, who interviewed 80 children after they returned to the United States, said none reported abuse.

Davis, the consulate spokeswoman, said the office regularly monitors conditions at alternative schools in Baja California. A school in Tecate was shut down two years ago, she said. Two other alternative schools are still operating in Baja California.

Casa by the Sea, she said, had generated complaints from some teenagers over the years. Children talked of pushing incidents and being forced to sit in an empty room for hours, said Davis, who added that the claims had not been substantiated.

Parents said tales of abuse were to be expected from some children who didn't want to be there in the first place and would try anything to get out.

"These charges are totally false," said Mark Wolpe, the father of a 17-year-old former student. "People must understand that some of the children going to these programs are, totally and without doubt, out of control."