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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Attn: SysAdmin (Anonymous Posting)
« on: March 04, 2003, 01:19:00 AM »
Thats fucked-up!...dogs
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Attn: SysAdmin (Anonymous Posting)
« on: March 04, 2003, 12:55:00 AM »
No control over anyone else sounds better to me. If everyone posting anonymous would agree with everything you say , you might feel different. Not trying to be a prick (this one time) just something to consider....Joey
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Pathway Investigation
« on: March 02, 2003, 03:34:00 AM »
I just thought this satistic might shed some light:
a little over 60% of the members here graduated Straight and two thirds of those were on staff there. I believed that Straight helped me for years after I graduated. I was afraid to ever let my parents know of my doubts about Straight even years after. Don't know why I was afraid but I do know it came from that treatment model. You said pathway is "without violence or physical abuse". I was in a branch of Straight Inc. in MI. I was there at a time when physical restraining was not in use. Yet mental abuse was way ,way more painful than any beating I've ever had. The reason the program is so long is because it takes that long to convince a child that they have no will except for the groups will which is controled by policy. I was trying not to use the term brainwash but do you see what I'm saying? When you get far enough out from the program (if you dare) You go ahead and ask you daughter to tell you the truth of what she thinks of her experience there with out consequence. Even then. My folks paid $88,000 for my 18 months and they still use all those same stupid phrases that you , no doubt use and it's hard for me still to burst thier bubbles ,so I let it go. I had bad parents. They are not bad people , they just had no business raising kids. Getting loaded was the only thing that made it bareable. I've been sober over 10 years. My folks don't control my life any more so I am able to be somewhat normal and just don't need to be hammered to be happy. There is no such thing as a drug problem. For me it was a parent/God problem. Once I removed the stick ,my ass stopped hurting.
I'm glad your life is better now, however there are difinitely things that are potentialy destructive to your daughter that have been nailed to her brain. Kind of like the feeling you had when you realized there was no Santa Clause , only x1000. Help her see the difference between reality and "group conscience". Or don't ...why mess up a good thing right. Pathways is not Straight. They changed enough to stay open thus far. But from what I've read about it you still end up with the same lie in your brain , just maybe not along with a black eye. COA would have loved Straight too. I use to love it myself. I use to go to highschools and speak to a thousand kids at a time and tell them all the scary stuff about dope. But if they knew how I really felt inside and where they could end up (in Straight) they would never have even considered getting high. ...Good luck.
P.S. has your daughter ever read any of the post here? Never know.....Joey
a little over 60% of the members here graduated Straight and two thirds of those were on staff there. I believed that Straight helped me for years after I graduated. I was afraid to ever let my parents know of my doubts about Straight even years after. Don't know why I was afraid but I do know it came from that treatment model. You said pathway is "without violence or physical abuse". I was in a branch of Straight Inc. in MI. I was there at a time when physical restraining was not in use. Yet mental abuse was way ,way more painful than any beating I've ever had. The reason the program is so long is because it takes that long to convince a child that they have no will except for the groups will which is controled by policy. I was trying not to use the term brainwash but do you see what I'm saying? When you get far enough out from the program (if you dare) You go ahead and ask you daughter to tell you the truth of what she thinks of her experience there with out consequence. Even then. My folks paid $88,000 for my 18 months and they still use all those same stupid phrases that you , no doubt use and it's hard for me still to burst thier bubbles ,so I let it go. I had bad parents. They are not bad people , they just had no business raising kids. Getting loaded was the only thing that made it bareable. I've been sober over 10 years. My folks don't control my life any more so I am able to be somewhat normal and just don't need to be hammered to be happy. There is no such thing as a drug problem. For me it was a parent/God problem. Once I removed the stick ,my ass stopped hurting.
I'm glad your life is better now, however there are difinitely things that are potentialy destructive to your daughter that have been nailed to her brain. Kind of like the feeling you had when you realized there was no Santa Clause , only x1000. Help her see the difference between reality and "group conscience". Or don't ...why mess up a good thing right. Pathways is not Straight. They changed enough to stay open thus far. But from what I've read about it you still end up with the same lie in your brain , just maybe not along with a black eye. COA would have loved Straight too. I use to love it myself. I use to go to highschools and speak to a thousand kids at a time and tell them all the scary stuff about dope. But if they knew how I really felt inside and where they could end up (in Straight) they would never have even considered getting high. ...Good luck.
P.S. has your daughter ever read any of the post here? Never know.....Joey
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Pathway Investigation
« on: February 27, 2003, 07:55:00 PM »
"Anonymous" wrote:
"If so, what do you do when your teenage son or daughter becomes truant, grades decline from A?s to D?s and F?s, breaking & entering becomes a common occurrence, and you have to go to the hospital because your son/daughter overdosed and they need to pump his/her stomach?"
Which is it? his/her?
Aside from your other agruements which I don't really care about , I will answer this question: What I would do is face the harder question which is where have I fail as a parent and what can I do now to try and ammend my mistakes.
It is so much easier to throw your kid in some shit hole and pretend like you are being cured and working hard , just because you go and yell at other parents twice a week. The fact is that no one can be a better parent to your kid than you ,so if you are no good at it , then your poor kid is already fucked whether or not you waste your money on pathways. Which understandably you have no choice but to defend.... Good luck , Joey
"If so, what do you do when your teenage son or daughter becomes truant, grades decline from A?s to D?s and F?s, breaking & entering becomes a common occurrence, and you have to go to the hospital because your son/daughter overdosed and they need to pump his/her stomach?"
Which is it? his/her?
Aside from your other agruements which I don't really care about , I will answer this question: What I would do is face the harder question which is where have I fail as a parent and what can I do now to try and ammend my mistakes.
It is so much easier to throw your kid in some shit hole and pretend like you are being cured and working hard , just because you go and yell at other parents twice a week. The fact is that no one can be a better parent to your kid than you ,so if you are no good at it , then your poor kid is already fucked whether or not you waste your money on pathways. Which understandably you have no choice but to defend.... Good luck , Joey
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Straight in Plymouth MI.
« on: February 26, 2003, 09:05:00 PM »
Who dat?
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Straight in Plymouth MI.
« on: February 26, 2003, 01:17:00 AM »
Just thought I would check and see if there were any fresh lurkers from Plymouth hell wondering when to jump in. Or any old lurkers. Who is still hanging around? What's up? I know there's got to be more than 8 of us poor MI bastards.
Later , Joey 86'-87' MI
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Later , Joey 86'-87' MI
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Outside Looking In
« on: February 24, 2003, 12:05:00 PM »
Ask your brother about some of the things you've heard. Maybe he is dying inside right now like many of us were (are) when we thought we were alone...or maybe he's all good. There were over 12,000 kids in Straight alone and only a few hundred have bothered to seek out what happened to Straight and many of them still felt like a loyal "Straight kid" before they read a little. Maybe he feels greatful for straight (pathways) like so many others. I did in my brainwashed kind of way for years.
Heres a thought: How many ex-Straightlings come across these sites and just turn their noses like Straight taught them to do with "Druggies" like us? I would bet the anwser is over a thousand. It's hard to accept that your life , all or in part has been a lie for 5, 10, 15 , 20 years. ...Joey
Heres a thought: How many ex-Straightlings come across these sites and just turn their noses like Straight taught them to do with "Druggies" like us? I would bet the anwser is over a thousand. It's hard to accept that your life , all or in part has been a lie for 5, 10, 15 , 20 years. ...Joey
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / UNANSWERED MAIL
« on: January 21, 2003, 01:50:00 PM »
I posted this right after Serpico's last post. I don't know why it just now appeared. Doesn't make much sense way down here. Was that another sweeping of the hand of the "God of the board"? ....Joey
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / UNANSWERED MAIL
« on: January 20, 2003, 07:41:00 PM »
If you use all the abusive methods of pushing people into believing what you do, you might expect to be abused. It's not about what you are trying to do it's how you are trying to do it. But just quiting and blaming everyone else is easier anyway...have it your way...
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Control freaks
« on: January 17, 2003, 11:56:00 PM »
You finally found a way to REALLY piss me off Ginger. All of the times that we've argued have never been more that slightly irritating entertainment , but this... I guess you won this one because I'm the one banging my head against the wall this time. You got some big ol' balls. That'll really keep em' comin' back.... 2(growling)Dogs
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Control freaks
« on: January 17, 2003, 11:49:00 PM »
I tryed to respond to a post in the topic "unanwsered mail" and found it was "locked"" and I was not allowed to reply.
Is this the new tactic for the cause? Please , please tell me that the moderater is not going to start controling what we get to read and write!
It will end up like a friggin' Republican radio talk show. (Sorry for the politicing. I'm no Lib. either.) I hope for sure that it was a mistake...Joey
Is this the new tactic for the cause? Please , please tell me that the moderater is not going to start controling what we get to read and write!
It will end up like a friggin' Republican radio talk show. (Sorry for the politicing. I'm no Lib. either.) I hope for sure that it was a mistake...Joey
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Are you new to the board??
« on: January 16, 2003, 11:47:00 PM »
"Now I wonder if my opportunity to meet some of you shall be hijacked by the " burn 'em at the stake" crowd."
I bet if we tryed to have a real reunion with no politics & militants THEY would be outside picketing us.
I bet if we tryed to have a real reunion with no politics & militants THEY would be outside picketing us.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / United Nations Formal Complaint Filed by Survivors
« on: January 15, 2003, 02:08:00 PM »
Just because you were in Straight or on staff does not obligate you to do anything. So grow up and quit trying to make everyone believe this LIE. "Cold feet syndrome" You idiots crack me up. "I'm not there yet , so it's not ok for anyone else to be there yet either." Sad but yet still very funny...Joey
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Are you new to the board??
« on: January 15, 2003, 01:39:00 PM »
Thats what I'm talkin' bout'. Right-on brother. I wish there were a hundred more just like you... well I expect there is , but it may take more of the same courage in speaking up against (or in spite of) the unyielding anger that is making it not worth reaching out and trying to grow from the sickness that has consumed far too much of us already.
I don't care if people get all fired up and wanna kill something . I sure did. What bothers me is the total astonishment and horrified responses of acusations some of ya all throw out when people go on with life. Someone recently said that someone (maybe me?) is just as guilty as Straight because they didn't want to go save all the poor kids in bad rehabs. Harsh tactics , ignorant fucking Nazi. If I am as guilty as Straight , Then you must be Intelligent. The first problem with this whole movment is the recruiting tactics suck. Badgering never works. The second and most overlooked problem is that there is what? 300,000,000 people in this country and no one cares what happened to you 15 years ago , not even alot of the folks who were also there. Do what you gotta do and I'm all for it but quit acting all supprized when someone disagrees with you because I will say it again (and again if necessary). Just because you were in Straight , it does not obligate you to do anything at all. If you choose to do something that can help great , but stop trying to guilt trip everyone else into YOUR deal. There is NOTHING wrong with obstaing.
I met many a great friend in Straight. I know kids who risked getting started over or worse to cover for me and I for them. I would love to celebrate those friendships in this time of my life rather than fight. But I would not hinder the fight. It's too bad that those who don't require the fight don't fill the board with celebration. I guess it is our own fault...Joey
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I don't care if people get all fired up and wanna kill something . I sure did. What bothers me is the total astonishment and horrified responses of acusations some of ya all throw out when people go on with life. Someone recently said that someone (maybe me?) is just as guilty as Straight because they didn't want to go save all the poor kids in bad rehabs. Harsh tactics , ignorant fucking Nazi. If I am as guilty as Straight , Then you must be Intelligent. The first problem with this whole movment is the recruiting tactics suck. Badgering never works. The second and most overlooked problem is that there is what? 300,000,000 people in this country and no one cares what happened to you 15 years ago , not even alot of the folks who were also there. Do what you gotta do and I'm all for it but quit acting all supprized when someone disagrees with you because I will say it again (and again if necessary). Just because you were in Straight , it does not obligate you to do anything at all. If you choose to do something that can help great , but stop trying to guilt trip everyone else into YOUR deal. There is NOTHING wrong with obstaing.
I met many a great friend in Straight. I know kids who risked getting started over or worse to cover for me and I for them. I would love to celebrate those friendships in this time of my life rather than fight. But I would not hinder the fight. It's too bad that those who don't require the fight don't fill the board with celebration. I guess it is our own fault...Joey
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / United Nations Formal Complaint Filed by Survivors
« on: January 14, 2003, 11:28:00 PM »
My definition in this case would be: Having engaged in a course of thinking , living and taking actions that delivered me from fear , resentment, and anger over having spent 18 months of my mid-teens completely miserable from the time I woke up in the morning , well into my nightmares every night. With the outcome being satisfied with life reguardless of what happened then or is happening now.
I don't like the thought of anyone having to go through what I did , but I sure as shit sleep fine every night anyway. I did my bit , it sucked , I survived , thats life , I'm busy living it. I would love to help but I'm not so stupid as not know when something is a big waste of time... and I'm pretty sure most everyone else around these sites isn't willing to have there time wasted either. Look at the stats , they don't lie. Focus on the possible if you really want to start something. Not to discount what is already going...crawling.....Joey
I don't like the thought of anyone having to go through what I did , but I sure as shit sleep fine every night anyway. I did my bit , it sucked , I survived , thats life , I'm busy living it. I would love to help but I'm not so stupid as not know when something is a big waste of time... and I'm pretty sure most everyone else around these sites isn't willing to have there time wasted either. Look at the stats , they don't lie. Focus on the possible if you really want to start something. Not to discount what is already going...crawling.....Joey