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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 27, 2005, 11:24:00 AM
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Does anyone know the financials of Hyde School?
The tuition at Hyde is very high and yet the living quarters are lacking, the food is sub standard, and highly skilled teachers are non existent other than the few that stay for only one or two years.
Most of the newer buildings come from donations from parents so again I ask, where does the money go?
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On 2005-11-27 08:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does anyone know the financials of Hyde School?
The tuition at Hyde is very high and yet the living quarters are lacking, the food is sub standard, and highly skilled teachers are non existent other than the few that stay for only one or two years.
Most of the newer buildings come from donations from parents so again I ask, where does the money go?"
I have no idea whether Hyde makes the budget information available.
I'd add to your comment that Hyde does not spend money on the kinds of social services (counseling, etc.) that every other boarding school for struggling teens spends money on. The other schools we've visited recently (alternatives to Hyde) that attract very similar students spend lots of money on mental health counseling staff. I don't see any of that at Hyde (which is one of the school's major problems - Hyde admits so many students with mental health issues but doesn't have staff to deal with this).
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You are wrong. Hyde does have a way for dealing with kids with severe mental health issues. They use unskilled staff and senior students to do so!! Isn't this the way all specialty programs who charge $35,000 a year do it?????
Please potential parents, don't be foolish and buy into Hyde!!
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You can see exactly what the school makes and how is spends it's money along with the top 5 salaried employees at http://www.guidestar.com (http://www.guidestar.com)
When you are a 501(c)3 non profit institution you have to file your numbers each year...
You'll see that NOBODY is making any money here and for once and for all this discussion thread can die a quick death...
AMEN!!
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On 2005-11-28 10:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You can see exactly what the school makes and how is spends it's money along with the top 5 salaried employees at http://www.guidestar.com (http://www.guidestar.com)
When you are a 501(c)3 non profit institution you have to file your numbers each year...
You'll see that NOBODY is making any money here and for once and for all this discussion thread can die a quick death...
AMEN!!"
I'd like to direct your attention to IRS Form 990 filed by the Hyde School (Bath) for 2003. On page 27 of this IRS document, Malcolm Gauld's income is listed as $170,790 with an employee benefit plan contribution of $58,911. Laurie Hurd's income is listed as $94,000 with an employee benefit plan contribution of $14,111. The comparable IRS form for the Woodstock campus lists Duncan McCrann's income as $94,000 with an amployee benefit plan contribution of $14,285 (page 28). These figures are two years old.
Do you still think that, to quote you, "NOBODY is making any many here"?
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On 2005-11-28 10:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-28 10:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You can see exactly what the school makes and how is spends it's money along with the top 5 salaried employees at http://www.guidestar.com (http://www.guidestar.com)
When you are a 501(c)3 non profit institution you have to file your numbers each year...
You'll see that NOBODY is making any money here and for once and for all this discussion thread can die a quick death...
AMEN!!"
I'd like to direct your attention to IRS Form 990 filed by the Hyde School (Bath) for 2003. On page 27 of this IRS document, Malcolm Gauld's income is listed as $170,790 with an employee benefit plan contribution of $58,911. Laurie Hurd's income is listed as $94,000 with an employee benefit plan contribution of $14,111. The comparable IRS form for the Woodstock campus lists Duncan McCrann's income as $94,000 with an amployee benefit plan contribution of $14,285 (page 28). These figures are two years old.
Do you still think that, to quote you, "NOBODY is making any many here"?"
What is even funnier are the benefits on top of this that no one is taking into consideration. These people have NO EXPENSES. This money goes right in the bank! Housing, food, etc is paid for guys! Also you did not take into consideration the net worth of the family with all of the properties they own.
There is so much more $$$ that you and I cannot see on a website! This is very interesting. Thank you whoever suggested we look it up on Guidestar!! Guess the Gaulds are stretching the truth quite a bit when they cry poverty!
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On 2005-11-28 11:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-28 10:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-28 10:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You can see exactly what the school makes and how is spends it's money along with the top 5 salaried employees at http://www.guidestar.com (http://www.guidestar.com)
When you are a 501(c)3 non profit institution you have to file your numbers each year...
You'll see that NOBODY is making any money here and for once and for all this discussion thread can die a quick death...
AMEN!!"
I'd like to direct your attention to IRS Form 990 filed by the Hyde School (Bath) for 2003. On page 27 of this IRS document, Malcolm Gauld's income is listed as $170,790 with an employee benefit plan contribution of $58,911. Laurie Hurd's income is listed as $94,000 with an employee benefit plan contribution of $14,111. The comparable IRS form for the Woodstock campus lists Duncan McCrann's income as $94,000 with an amployee benefit plan contribution of $14,285 (page 28). These figures are two years old.
Do you still think that, to quote you, "NOBODY is making any many here"?"
What is even funnier are the benefits on top of this that no one is taking into consideration. These people have NO EXPENSES. This money goes right in the bank! Housing, food, etc is paid for guys! Also you did not take into consideration the net worth of the family with all of the properties they own.
There is so much more $$$ that you and I cannot see on a website! This is very interesting. Thank you whoever suggested we look it up on Guidestar!! Guess the Gaulds are stretching the truth quite a bit when they cry poverty!"
Don't forget that each of the wives/husbands of these listed administrators are also on the payroll. For instance Malcolms wife must make at least the same as Laurie Hurd. This would put the two Jr Gauld's at $250,000 a year, easy!! This of course is not including any of the perks and the fact like the last poster mentioned, they have no expenses!!
I'd like to know how they can create this sham! "Truth over Harmony?", "The Truth Will Set You Free?" Oh how I wish I was back in that auditorium listening to them tell us all how they are not getting rich off of this, and how they only want to make a difference in the world!! UGHHHHH! Liars, Liars, Liars!!
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We recently were thrown out of the Hyde School for having the temerity to question Joe Gauld's instant analysis of one of us (the parent of a second year senior). Joe became enraged, threw the parent in question out of the "seminar," and later that evening, we were invited to leave as a family.
The school has now decided that they have no moral, legal, or ethical obligation to return a penny of the full tuition/board we paid them at the beginning of this year.
Our legal case will follow, and we'll keep you apprised of it!
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On 2005-11-29 00:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"We recently were thrown out of the Hyde School for having the temerity to question Joe Gauld's instant analysis of one of us (the parent of a second year senior). Joe became enraged, threw the parent in question out of the "seminar," and later that evening, we were invited to leave as a family.
The school has now decided that they have no moral, legal, or ethical obligation to return a penny of the full tuition/board we paid them at the beginning of this year.
Our legal case will follow, and we'll keep you apprised of it!"
I'm terribly sorry to hear about your unfortunate experience with Hyde. What you describe (Joe Gauld's "instant" and arrogant analysis) is predictable and typical. If you haven't read the postings on this website, you may find them helpful. Many others have experienced the kind of behavior you describe.
Based on other postings on this website, it seems clear that Hyde has been sued before. You may want your attorney to track down those lawsuits (one apparently involved a family that sued Hyde because of sexual harassment of a student by a Hyde faculty member).
Also, as others have suggested here, I strongly suggest you share your concerns with the organization that accredits Hyde: the New England Association of Schools and Colleges. They need to know about this incident. You can contact:
William Bennett
Director, Commission on Independent Schools
New England Association of Schools and Colleges
209 Burlington Road
Bedford, Massachusetts 01730-1433
phone: 781-271-0022
Good luck with your next steps.
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Thanks for that informative and speedy reply! Of course, we assume that Hyde is practiced at responding to law suits. There are a few wrinkles in this situation that should make it easier for us to forcefully present our views to a jury, should it come to that. I am not---yet--- at liberty to discuss these details. However, we plan on going public in the near future. At that time we will be welcoming contacts from others who may have had similar experiences with this institution.
Although the egregious misconduct of Hyde officials--- if exposed to the legal system and to the public--- could grievously damage its future, we are hoping that the administration will do some heavy lifting and introspection, and begin to act in accordance with the commendable ethics they invite others to practice.
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On 2005-11-29 05:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thanks for that informative and speedy reply! Of course, we assume that Hyde is practiced at responding to law suits. There are a few wrinkles in this situation that should make it easier for us to forcefully present our views to a jury, should it come to that. I am not---yet--- at liberty to discuss these details. However, we plan on going public in the near future. At that time we will be welcoming contacts from others who may have had similar experiences with this institution.
Although the egregious misconduct of Hyde officials--- if exposed to the legal system and to the public--- could grievously damage its future, we are hoping that the administration will do some heavy lifting and introspection, and begin to act in accordance with the commendable ethics they invite others to practice."
I hope you sense that you have a great deal of support among many people posting on this website who, too, have had terrible experiences with Hyde (not unlike yours, it appears). Once you're willing to go public, I am confident that many people will rally on your behalf.
Have you had the opportunity to read through the postings on this website? Also, did you get the information about how to share your experiences with NEASC? The NEASC complaint procedure is: http://www.neasc.org/cis/complaints.PDF (http://www.neasc.org/cis/complaints.PDF)
The general NEASC website (specifically the Commission on Independent Schools) is: http://www.neasc.org/cis/cis.htm (http://www.neasc.org/cis/cis.htm)
Many people posting on this website are eager to hold Hyde accountable. It sounds as if you can make a major contribution.
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On 2005-11-29 05:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-29 05:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thanks for that informative and speedy reply! Of course, we assume that Hyde is practiced at responding to law suits. There are a few wrinkles in this situation that should make it easier for us to forcefully present our views to a jury, should it come to that. I am not---yet--- at liberty to discuss these details. However, we plan on going public in the near future. At that time we will be welcoming contacts from others who may have had similar experiences with this institution.
Although the egregious misconduct of Hyde officials--- if exposed to the legal system and to the public--- could grievously damage its future, we are hoping that the administration will do some heavy lifting and introspection, and begin to act in accordance with the commendable ethics they invite others to practice."
I hope you sense that you have a great deal of support among many people posting on this website who, too, have had terrible experiences with Hyde (not unlike yours, it appears). Once you're willing to go public, I am confident that many people will rally on your behalf.
Have you had the opportunity to read through the postings on this website? Also, did you get the information about how to share your experiences with NEASC? The NEASC complaint procedure is: http://www.neasc.org/cis/complaints.PDF (http://www.neasc.org/cis/complaints.PDF)
The general NEASC website (specifically the Commission on Independent Schools) is: http://www.neasc.org/cis/cis.htm (http://www.neasc.org/cis/cis.htm)
Many people posting on this website are eager to hold Hyde accountable. It sounds as if you can make a major contribution."
Here's another resource our family recently heard about for people who want to share their concerns about Hyde. Our family may submit a letter. The "Struggling Teens" website (publisher of the well known Woodbury Reports that reviews schools and programs for this population) hosts an on-line letters-to-the-editor section that is organized by schools. I've discovered several letters about Hyde (some of the commentary is very negative and some is supportive).
Here's the website for the letters to the editor section: http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/let ... index.html (http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/lettertoeditor/hydectindex.html)
To submit a letter: http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/let ... index.html (http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/lettertoeditor/index.html)
Here's the general website: http://www.strugglingteens.com/ (http://www.strugglingteens.com/)
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On 2005-11-29 05:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thanks for that informative and speedy reply! Of course, we assume that Hyde is practiced at responding to law suits. There are a few wrinkles in this situation that should make it easier for us to forcefully present our views to a jury, should it come to that. I am not---yet--- at liberty to discuss these details. However, we plan on going public in the near future. At that time we will be welcoming contacts from others who may have had similar experiences with this institution.
Although the egregious misconduct of Hyde officials--- if exposed to the legal system and to the public--- could grievously damage its future, we are hoping that the administration will do some heavy lifting and introspection, and begin to act in accordance with the commendable ethics they invite others to practice."
Dear Anonymous,
You are one of so many who have lost your tuition dollars after been kicked out or having left for other reasons. Hyde pockets a lot of money this way. They also are known for holding a student back for at least one year before graduating. They tell the family, "he is not ready to be a senior" but in fact it is another way of keeping the family at the school and the $$$.
If you can ever find the statistics of graduating seniors, my bet is that there is a high percentage who have repeated at least one grade. Also while I was at Hyde, very few students who started with me, graduated with me.
As the other poster said, thanks to this website you will be able to find lots of former parents and students willing to help. I am sure we can help you make a case with all the stories we have about Hyde and their long history of deliberately hurting families both emotionally and financially!
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"I'd like to direct your attention to IRS Form 990 filed by the Hyde School (Bath) for 2003. On page 27 of this IRS document, Malcolm Gauld's income is listed as $170,790 with an employee benefit plan contribution of $58,911. Laurie Hurd's income is listed as $94,000 with an employee benefit plan contribution of $14,111. The comparable IRS form for the Woodstock campus lists Duncan McCrann's income as $94,000 with an amployee benefit plan contribution of $14,285 (page 28). These figures are two years old.
Do you still think that, to quote you, "NOBODY is making any many here"?"
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This is unbelievable!! You say Malcolm is making around $240,000 and what about Laura his wife? This doesn't even take into account the book sales, speaking engagements,and so on. My guess is that his annual income with his wife is closer to $400,000 or more a year and virtually no expenses. Someone else called this a "sham" and I agree.
You would think this family could at least learn how to dress considering how well off they are. And for the poster who said they are not getting rich, wake up and smell the roses!! They are beyond rich!
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With regard to Joe Gauld, here's my position: Sure, it's easy to take shots at the like-a-cartoon, easy-to-lampoon crack pot character he often displays. On the other hand, there's much to admire about this briney old goat, and I say, let's give him his props as we criticize his off the wall rantings.
The problem, in my judgement, is fundamentally not that the administration indulges Joe's unforgivable excesses, or even that they lamely try to cover up his transgressions when the ethical charter of the school mandates that each member of the community be held to a code of conduct that clearly prohibits these kinds of abusive diatribes.
More damaging, as I see it, is the way many other staff members have absorbed this hypocrisy. Untrained- and perhaps even unhinged- some seem to feel that if they genuflect before the vicar of Vermont they too are free to discard principles (ie: "I will not give advice... intellectualize) when they are inconvenient, and ram their ideas down the throats of those living downstream, and lower on the totem pole.
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A quick, revealing snippet about me: I am a professional journalist. This website is terrific, and will be even more effective if the experience and wisdom it captures is morphed into a series of articles that yields a carefully balanced, rancor-less, portrait of the Hyde School--- especially if it results in the best elements of Hyde rising to the surface, and the eradication of the most damaging.
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On 2005-11-29 08:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"A quick, revealing snippet about me: I am a professional journalist. This website is terrific, and will be even more effective if the experience and wisdom it captures is morphed into a series of articles that yields a carefully balanced, rancor-less, portrait of the Hyde School--- especially if it results in the best elements of Hyde rising to the surface, and the eradication of the most damaging."
I share your wish for a series of in-depth articles that yield a balanced, thoughtful assessment of Hyde. That's the only principled and fair way to go about this. My personal belief is that Hyde is so fundamentally flawed and toxic that full exposure from every angle will lead any reasonable person to conclude that they should put as much distance as possible between himself/herself and Hyde. The voluminous, detailed, and incriminating tales on this website, from diverse perspectives and vested interests, should be enough to scare off anyone who considers Hyde as an option.
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"You are one of so many who have lost your tuition dollars after been kicked out or having left for other reasons. Hyde pockets a lot of money this way. They also are known for holding a student back for at least one year before graduating. They tell the family, "he is not ready to be a senior" but in fact it is another way of keeping the family at the school and the $$$."
This happened to me. I didn't flunk academically, but was forced to do a second junior year because I wasn't "ready to be a senior" (read: drunk the Kool-Aid). And my parents fell for it.
Believe it. Although I was an underachiever academically (the effect magnified by their atrocious grading system which gave equal weight to "effort"), I still passed everything and scored a combined 1380 on the SAT (That's on the old scale - today that would be around 1500). And they convinced my parents to make me do another junior year. I'm sure that didn't help when I applied to college.
Another reason (among many) that I won't ever give a f^%$&^g dime to that place.
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How are you doing now!?
By the way, who's ready to go public with their identities!?
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On 2005-11-29 09:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How are you doing now!?
By the way, who's ready to go public with their identities!?"
I'm doing quite well now. Freed of their oppressive grading system (and oppressive everything else), I did very well in college and went on to law school. I specialize in criminal litigation and have pretty busy practice. I'm married to a beautiful women and have two great kids. My wife is disgusted with many of the things I had to go through and agrees that we will NEVER send our children to a place like that.
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Thank you for this reference. Bill Bennett was very helpful...
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Thank you for your comments. I also am looking to support others who might need a helping hand, and will shortly be publishing my name and contact information.
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Can anyone tell me how to respond to a specific comment, and quote it directly? I can't figure it out!
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"I hope you sense that you have a great deal of support among many people posting on this website who, too, have had terrible experiences with Hyde (not unlike yours, it appears). Once you're willing to go public, I am confident that many people will rally on your behalf."
There is certainly unity in numbers... we can help each other by making sure that noone successfully treats any one family as an isolated set of malcontents.
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On 2005-11-29 16:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Can anyone tell me how to respond to a specific comment, and quote it directly? I can't figure it out!"
If you look right under someone's message you'll see a few options, one of which is "quote." Click on "quote" and then scroll to the end of the comment to which you want to respond, type in your response, and click "say it."
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This is exact information taken from the 2003 "990" Form of the US Tax Return for Hyde Schools. You can see the full Form in it's entirety by going to http://www.guidestar.org (http://www.guidestar.org). Anyone can sign up to view the 990's without any charge. Type in Hyde School Woodstock and Hyde School Bath. You can also look at Hyde School DC, which I did not post. Also not posted is the total income from other sources!
Do the math! The "Families" are making a fortune! I take back everything I have thought of the Gauld Families. They are very bright and we are the suckers!!
The truth will set you free Malcolm, Joe, and the rest of you! BTW, your eyes are not deceiving you and there are no typographical errors.
Bath Campus
Total Revenue $13,360,916
Total Expenses 8,750,110
Excess end of year 4,610,806
Net Assets 18,750,422
Travel Expenses $306,240
Conventions,meetings 180,315
Woodstock Campus
Total Revenue $8,460,110
Total Expenses 7,917,536
Excess end of year 542,574
Net Assets 9,297,602
Travel Expenses $165,644
Conventions, meetings 150,024
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On 2005-11-29 07:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
""I'd like to direct your attention to IRS Form 990 filed by the Hyde School (Bath) for 2003. On page 27 of this IRS document, Malcolm Gauld's income is listed as $170,790 with an employee benefit plan contribution of $58,911. Laurie Hurd's income is listed as $94,000 with an employee benefit plan contribution of $14,111. The comparable IRS form for the Woodstock campus lists Duncan McCrann's income as $94,000 with an amployee benefit plan contribution of $14,285 (page 28). These figures are two years old.
Do you still think that, to quote you, "NOBODY is making any many here"?"
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This is unbelievable!! You say Malcolm is making around $240,000 and what about Laura his wife? This doesn't even take into account the book sales, speaking engagements,and so on. My guess is that his annual income with his wife is closer to $400,000 or more a year and virtually no expenses. Someone else called this a "sham" and I agree.
You would think this family could at least learn how to dress considering how well off they are. And for the poster who said they are not getting rich, wake up and smell the roses!! They are beyond rich!"
Personally, I hope between the two of them they are making $250k....and hopefully a lot more. For two execs of an entity of this size, I wouldn't want or expect anything less.
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That's fine. Let them make their money, but stop lying about the financial condition of the schools and themselves to get more from the parents/alumni!
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On 2005-11-30 06:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That's fine. Let them make their money, but stop lying about the financial condition of the schools and themselves to get more from the parents/alumni!"
And the lies again are?
If Hyde only has a few years operating expenses and many schools have 2x, 3x or more, where is the lie?
And what if their infrastructure needs $50M of critical repairs and upgrades, again, where is the lie?
Anyway, given that all this information is PUBLIC in the first place, I just don't see the lie, so please fill us in!
Anyone remotely familiar with the finances of corporations knows that organizations can have a substantial asset base, significant revenues and still be financially troubled (or stated differently, in constant need), if indeed, that is what they are saying.
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On 2005-11-30 10:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-30 06:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That's fine. Let them make their money, but stop lying about the financial condition of the schools and themselves to get more from the parents/alumni!"
And the lies again are?
If Hyde only has a few years operating expenses and many schools have 2x, 3x or more, where is the lie?
And what if their infrastructure needs $50M of critical repairs and upgrades, again, where is the lie?
Anyway, given that all this information is PUBLIC in the first place, I just don't see the lie, so please fill us in!
Anyone remotely familiar with the finances of corporations knows that organizations can have a substantial asset base, significant revenues and still be financially troubled (or stated differently, in constant need), if indeed, that is what they are saying.
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Put on your glasses. It is stated in this post what the lie is. I agree with the poster that the Gauld's seem to cry poor mouth at every Family Weekend! This is not the case and as you have Because you challenged us to look at other schools and compare, (on Guidestar.org) I did just that. Hyde's expenses for fundraising, travel, conventions is much higher on a percentage basis then the ones that I have looked up so far. This is not to say that there aren't other Non profits whose expenses are excessive.
I am glad all of this has come out whether we disagree or not. It is another way for prospective parents to look at ALL the research and make a smart decision on where to place their teen.
Good luck to all of you. This board is terrific!
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On 2005-11-30 10:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-30 06:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That's fine. Let them make their money, but stop lying about the financial condition of the schools and themselves to get more from the parents/alumni!"
And the lies again are?
If Hyde only has a few years operating expenses and many schools have 2x, 3x or more, where is the lie?
And what if their infrastructure needs $50M of critical repairs and upgrades, again, where is the lie?
Anyway, given that all this information is PUBLIC in the first place, I just don't see the lie, so please fill us in!
Anyone remotely familiar with the finances of corporations knows that organizations can have a substantial asset base, significant revenues and still be financially troubled (or stated differently, in constant need), if indeed, that is what they are saying.
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Ok, lets turn this back on you to prove some of your statements.
Where do you get your info that Hyde only has a few years operating expenses and many schools have 2x, 3x or more. Show us your proof not only about Hyde, but the "many schools" you are talking about. If you are right, then my hat is off to you.
You say that because this is public, you don't see the lie. Is it truthful when Joe Gauld says to the whole student population that he is not a rich man and never will be because of the path that he has chosen? Is it true that the school is in dire need of funds? Please show us the proof.
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On 2005-11-30 12:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-30 10:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-30 06:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That's fine. Let them make their money, but stop lying about the financial condition of the schools and themselves to get more from the parents/alumni!"
And the lies again are?
If Hyde only has a few years operating expenses and many schools have 2x, 3x or more, where is the lie?
And what if their infrastructure needs $50M of critical repairs and upgrades, again, where is the lie?
Anyway, given that all this information is PUBLIC in the first place, I just don't see the lie, so please fill us in!
Anyone remotely familiar with the finances of corporations knows that organizations can have a substantial asset base, significant revenues and still be financially troubled (or stated differently, in constant need), if indeed, that is what they are saying.
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Ok, lets turn this back on you to prove some of your statements.
Where do you get your info that Hyde only has a few years operating expenses and many schools have 2x, 3x or more. Show us your proof not only about Hyde, but the "many schools" you are talking about. If you are right, then my hat is off to you.
You say that because this is public, you don't see the lie. Is it truthful when Joe Gauld says to the whole student population that he is not a rich man and never will be because of the path that he has chosen? Is it true that the school is in dire need of funds? Please show us the proof."
Um, you or someone here asserted the "families" had made a "fortune". I do not claim to have information that they don't, nor am I going to try and disprove something that you choose to believe--you can believe whatever you want. But I do know that you can't make any real conclusions on the weak information provided. The original poster needs to prove their assertions, and if you can't see that what they have provided is far from even suspect, well what can I say. I look forward to your other posts on UFOs.
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The proof seems to be on Guidestar.org for Hyde Woodstock, Hyde DC and Hyde Bath. There is no doubt that there are tremendous ependitures that are suspect on the 990 form!
As other posters have said, this is just the icing on the cake and is not as important as the neglect that exists at the school/program.
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On 2005-11-30 16:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"There is no doubt that there are tremendous ependitures that are suspect on the 990 form!"
Such as?
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To be honest, I can't believe the headmasters' income is so low at Hyde. I am surprised they make less than 100K.
Vanity Fair just did a report on St. Paul's old headmaster. He was making $520,000 per year. However, his contract also included: Housing, membership to a yacht club, and even tuition for his childrens' colleges.
A few years ago I read in Money that it is rutine for a headmaster in a New England Boarding school to make over $250,000
Has anyone used that "what do they make" website to look at other boarding school headmasters' income? I am sure 90% of them will be making more than the Bath and Woodtsock headmasters.
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On 2006-01-15 06:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"To be honest, I can't believe the headmasters' income is so low at Hyde. I am surprised they make less than 100K.
Vanity Fair just did a report on St. Paul's old headmaster. He was making $520,000 per year. However, his contract also included: Housing, membership to a yacht club, and even tuition for his childrens' colleges.
A few years ago I read in Money that it is rutine for a headmaster in a New England Boarding school to make over $250,000
Has anyone used that "what do they make" website to look at other boarding school headmasters' income? I am sure 90% of them will be making more than the Bath and Woodtsock headmasters.
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I don't begrudge the Hyde administrators their salaries. My impression is that their salaries are not out of line.
However, I am overwhelmed with concern about the way the administrators run the school. That's the issue. What I have seen and heard about Hyde during the past few years leaves me feeling more and more concerned, angry, perplexed, and disappointed. There are so many problems with the way Hyde is run, its methods, and its ways of handling troubled teens. For every "success" story at Hyde (the kind that the school likes to publicize in its public relations material) there are countless disasters and instances where Hyde students are harmed terribly. How honest are Hyde administrators about the numbers of families that leave the school because the students aren't getting the help they need, the quality of the teaching staff is questionable, the staff often mistreat students and parents? How honest are Hyde administrators about the school's drop-out rate? Parents' complaints? Lawsuits? Those things are much more important to me than the size of the administrators' salaries.
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Lets cry about it...
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On 2005-11-29 20:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This is exact information taken from the 2003 "990" Form of the US Tax Return for Hyde Schools. You can see the full Form in it's entirety by going to http://www.guidestar.org (http://www.guidestar.org). Anyone can sign up to view the 990's without any charge. Type in Hyde School Woodstock and Hyde School Bath. You can also look at Hyde School DC, which I did not post. Also not posted is the total income from other sources!
Do the math! The "Families" are making a fortune! I take back everything I have thought of the Gauld Families. They are very bright and we are the suckers!!
The truth will set you free Malcolm, Joe, and the rest of you! BTW, your eyes are not deceiving you and there are no typographical errors.
Bath Campus
Total Revenue $13,360,916
Total Expenses 8,750,110
Excess end of year 4,610,806
Net Assets 18,750,422
Travel Expenses $306,240
Conventions,meetings 180,315
Woodstock Campus
Total Revenue $8,460,110
Total Expenses 7,917,536
Excess end of year 542,574
Net Assets 9,297,602
Travel Expenses $165,644
Conventions, meetings 150,024"
These figures are truly amazing. I have never seen a school where they do so much fundraising and crying the blues about how little the staff makes and how the only reason they are there is to make a difference in the world. This sure looks to me like they also do very well financially, whether deserved or not! Why not be honest about how well you are doing rather than begging parents, kids and teachers for their hard earned money after they've already paid $50,000 to go to a school where there is so little education? Why not spend some of this windfall on better teachers who actually have teaching degrees and on professional counselors. The food could certainly use a little help too!! Don't we deserve this after paying such a high tuition?
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Never seen this before. Take a look at Hidden Lake Academy. $84,000.00 PER YEAR, minimum stay 24 months. So, $168,000.00 MINIMUM, but more than likely your kid will not be "ready" to leave at the end of two years. Some stay FOUR YEARS PLUS POST-GRAD ($336,000.00 + undefined "post grad")
You got lucky by comparison. Same results (shitty education, not prepared for the real world, no therapy, etc), but laid out less cash for it.
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On 2006-01-22 06:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Never seen this before. Take a look at Hidden Lake Academy. $84,000.00 PER YEAR, minimum stay 24 months. So, $168,000.00 MINIMUM, but more than likely your kid will not be "ready" to leave at the end of two years. Some stay FOUR YEARS PLUS POST-GRAD ($336,000.00 + undefined "post grad")
You got lucky by comparison. Same results (shitty education, not prepared for the real world, no therapy, etc), but laid out less cash for it."
Lucky? Lucky that Hyde is only $50,000 per year plus a mandatory donation based on what they think you should "donate?" You think that by giving another horrible example, (hidden Lake) is the way to prove that Hyde is better? Get real!
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On 2006-01-22 14:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-22 06:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Never seen this before. Take a look at Hidden Lake Academy. $84,000.00 PER YEAR, minimum stay 24 months. So, $168,000.00 MINIMUM, but more than likely your kid will not be "ready" to leave at the end of two years. Some stay FOUR YEARS PLUS POST-GRAD ($336,000.00 + undefined "post grad")
You got lucky by comparison. Same results (shitty education, not prepared for the real world, no therapy, etc), but laid out less cash for it."
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Lucky? Lucky that Hyde is only $50,000 per year plus a mandatory donation based on what they think you should "donate?" You think that by giving another horrible example, (hidden Lake) is the way to prove that Hyde is better? Get real!
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They have another way of dealing with finances. they accept kids with mental health issues, then say the environment is unsafe, insist that the kid leaves and then keeps the tuition. What do they do with the vacant space? Probably enroll another unfortunate kid.
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I would like to know how your case goes. My daughter was told to leave in early November and they also didn't think they had to return any money even though a local therapist and pyschiatrist also recommended it. The contract reads that if the parents or child (who is a minor) withdraws, then they keep the money. We did not withdraw. We begged to stay. After several letters etc, we did receive partial refund, but the stress was incredible.
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On 2006-04-25 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would like to know how your case goes. My daughter was told to leave in early November and they also didn't think they had to return any money even though a local therapist and pyschiatrist also recommended it. The contract reads that if the parents or child (who is a minor) withdraws, then they keep the money. We did not withdraw. We begged to stay. After several letters etc, we did receive partial refund, but the stress was incredible."
If they kick you out you should get your tuition back. This same thing has happened to many people at Hyde and some have fought back.
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On 2006-04-25 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would like to know how your case goes. My daughter was told to leave in early November and they also didn't think they had to return any money even though a local therapist and pyschiatrist also recommended it. The contract reads that if the parents or child (who is a minor) withdraws, then they keep the money. We did not withdraw. We begged to stay. After several letters etc, we did receive partial refund, but the stress was incredible."
Unfortuntely your situation is very common at Hyde, in that they seem to accept many students who need mental health services that Hyde isn't willing to provide. How can they accept a kid who really needs residential treatment? Hyde doesn't even have a counseling staff. This is a tragic situation that is costly to so many people, especially the kids. Did Hyde know about your child's needs when they accepted her? You may want to consult a lawyer to see whether Hyde should be held legally responsible for accepting your daughter when the school wasn't prepared to provide her with what she needed. I feel very bad for you and your family.
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On 2006-04-26 02:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-25 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would like to know how your case goes. My daughter was told to leave in early November and they also didn't think they had to return any money even though a local therapist and pyschiatrist also recommended it. The contract reads that if the parents or child (who is a minor) withdraws, then they keep the money. We did not withdraw. We begged to stay. After several letters etc, we did receive partial refund, but the stress was incredible."
Unfortuntely your situation is very common at Hyde, in that they seem to accept many students who need mental health services that Hyde isn't willing to provide. How can they accept a kid who really needs residential treatment? Hyde doesn't even have a counseling staff. This is a tragic situation that is costly to so many people, especially the kids. Did Hyde know about your child's needs when they accepted her? You may want to consult a lawyer to see whether Hyde should be held legally responsible for accepting your daughter when the school wasn't prepared to provide her with what she needed. I feel very bad for you and your family."
I am tired of hearing everyone whining yet doing nothing about it. There are avenues you can take to either get your money back or to make sure it doesn't happen to other students. There are organizations, government agencies, and other ways to put an end to this. I have always believed that if you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem!
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On 2006-04-26 13:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-26 02:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-25 20:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would like to know how your case goes. My daughter was told to leave in early November and they also didn't think they had to return any money even though a local therapist and pyschiatrist also recommended it. The contract reads that if the parents or child (who is a minor) withdraws, then they keep the money. We did not withdraw. We begged to stay. After several letters etc, we did receive partial refund, but the stress was incredible."
Unfortuntely your situation is very common at Hyde, in that they seem to accept many students who need mental health services that Hyde isn't willing to provide. How can they accept a kid who really needs residential treatment? Hyde doesn't even have a counseling staff. This is a tragic situation that is costly to so many people, especially the kids. Did Hyde know about your child's needs when they accepted her? You may want to consult a lawyer to see whether Hyde should be held legally responsible for accepting your daughter when the school wasn't prepared to provide her with what she needed. I feel very bad for you and your family."
I am tired of hearing everyone whining yet doing nothing about it. There are avenues you can take to either get your money back or to make sure it doesn't happen to other students. There are organizations, government agencies, and other ways to put an end to this. I have always believed that if you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem!"
A number of people have challenged Hyde, but probably not enough people have. Several people on this board have commented on past, current, or about-to-be-filed lawsuits against Hyde. Apparently some people have contacted NEASC and that university in Florida that's looking into schools that don't help the kids they admit. I agree that more people need to speak out and expose Hyde. From what I hear, contacting NEASC is one of the best avenues.