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General Interest => Tacitus' Realm => Topic started by: SyN on January 19, 2004, 09:03:00 PM
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i dont care who the dem is that makes the cut. He is getting my vote. i hope so many people dont get suckered into the green party trap again. maybe the greens will be note worthy later on but for now its whomever isnt bush that can win for me.
SyN
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My sentiments exactly
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In retrospect, Ralph Nader's theory in 2000 was that if the Republican's won, they would be so high-handed, arbitrary, and corrupt that there would be an overwhelming backlash of disgust.
Unfortunately, his predictions about the Republicans have been pretty much on the money.
But you're quite right, to paraphrase that ol' favorite from typing class exercises, now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their party -- any party except the Republicans!
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Well, if you ask me....Bush thought this whole "WE GOT HIM" malarky was gonna be a shoe-in for the election....he captured the evil-doer..yada yada......notice how no one is even talking about Saddam anymore? MJ's escapades get more front page CNN time than Saddam. I think he expected the country to crown him the Hero of the Decade for his alleged "find"...which it seems to me was most likely staged......
I mean....they found Saddam in a little hole, in the dark, in the middle of nowhere......they found this guy, but they cant seem to find one single solitary weapon of mass distruction in the entire country? My bet is that here before the elections, Bush is going to very conveniently find some of those too.....whether they exist in reality, we will never know.
I think Bush has a 50/50 chance....but I also think that if he is re-elected its gonna get so bad and so ugly, that the US will be primed and ready for the shift in voter perspective that is on the not too distant horizon. The good ole boys are phasing out, and a more logical and open minded generation is about to become the driving force behind this country.......when that happens, I believe that violence and oppression of the people outright will be the only possible way to get someone like Bush into office ever again......
I wont vote Democrat, I think those guys are just as bad....maybe not as bad yet, but they are all cut from the same cloth. Not to mention it makes me ill to watch the news about the campaigning they are doing, and all I see are really old, really white, really sorry ass looking people wearing walking slacks and SAS shoes shaking hands with the candidates. It only reinforces my opinion....these losers are preaching to an ever diminishing crowd.
I say vote Green, they wont win, but at the very least you wont be contributing to the other assholes.
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I wont vote Democrat, I think those guys are just as bad....maybe not as bad yet, but they are all cut from the same cloth. Not to mention it makes me ill to watch the news about the campaigning they are doing, and all I see are really old, really white, really sorry ass looking people wearing walking slacks and SAS shoes shaking hands with the candidates. It only reinforces my opinion....these losers are preaching to an ever diminishing crowd.
I say vote Green, they wont win, but at the very least you wont be contributing to the other assholes.
I SO agree with this that it isn't even funny! I am, so far, a non-voter - and that's part of the reason!
Vote green, eh? I like the concept..even if they don't win THIS time...hmmm.. :tup:
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so can any one tell me who the people on the electorial college are? or is it some secret society like robert anton wilson writes about?
SyN
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This is a system of governing and electing built on 2 parties.
As much as I loved (past tense) Nadar and as Green as I truly am. You might as well flush you vote down the toilet if you vote green.
I will vote for any democrat that runs.
But lets face it Bush is going to win. Because people are apathetic, stupid, react strongly to his jackass cowboy routine and the ones who don't don't vote.
It is sad, it is sick, and I am still all bent out of shape from watching his state of the union address last night.
Which I probably am the only 28 yr old in upstate NY who watched it.
:skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: A multitude of laws in a country is like a great number of physicians, a sign of weakness and malady.
--Voltaire, philosopher (1694-1778)
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i agree that it would be throwing your vote away, and if you dont vote then you got nothing to complain about. and by god if it comes down to florida again and votes get stolen again then hopefully more people will be alarmed.
SyN
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you see, this is the problem, people bitch about the way the way country is run, but they either don't vote, or they throw their vote away on someone who is NOT going to win. i know, this is a democracy and you can vote for who ever you want, but obviously there are some flaws w/ the current system we are using and the majority of the populace are idiots stating that "god put bush in office" like that idiot in the south quoted last week!! if tou want a better country (and less to bitch about) then occasionally, youre gonna have to compromise a little, i mean c'mon, do we really want ol' killer in office another 4years???
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The south...
uh huh God put Bush in office. And God should take him out now he is ready to go back to Texas! No synonym for God is so perfect as Beauty. Whether as seen carving the lines of the mountains with glaciers, or gathering matter into stars, or planning the movements of water, or gardening - still all is Beauty!
-- John Muir
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Votes don't count in a "selection". Here's a funny.
Here's a dilemma for you ... This test only has one question, but it's a very important one.
Please don't answer it without giving it some serious thought. By giving an honest answer, you will be able to test where you stand morally. The
test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation, where you will have to make a decision one way or the other. Remember that your answer needs to be honest, yet spontaneous.
Please scroll down slowly and consider each line -this is important for the test to work accurately.
You're in Florida ... In Miami, to be exact. There is great chaos going on around you, caused by a hurricane and severe floods. There are floods
all around you. You are a CNN photographer and you are in the middle of this great disaster The situation is nearly hopeless. You're trying to
shoot very impressive photos. There are houses and people flying around you, disappearing into the water. Nature is showing all its destructive
power and is ripping everything away with it.
Suddenly you see a man in the water, he is fighting for his life, trying not to be taken away by the masses of water and mud. You move closer. Somehow, the man looks familiar.
Suddenly you know who it is - it's George W. Bush!
At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him away, forever. You have two options. You can save him or you can take
the best photo of your life. So you can save the life of George W. Bush, or you can shoot a Pulitzer prize winning photo, a unique photo
displaying the death of one of the world's most powerful men.
And here's the question (please give an honest answer):
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Would you select color film, or rather, go with the simplicity of classic black and white?
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Maybe when Hilary runs in '08 the white house can turn back into one big orgy again? Or close some more military bases and you passive dumb-asses can protect our rights and freedom? Or better yet, just drive off the bridge and kill your mistress, yet to be voted back into office? Oh, how I yearn to be a democrat...
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just like a repub, anon and stupid. The 8 years clinton built up this economy were ruined in one year of bush. bush has us in the hole at 500 B as in Boy, BILLION. of course all you fukoz have to bitch about is clinton gettin a slob job. big shit who cares???? Clinton did most everything he said he would in office unlike bush who just wants to get rich during his stay. They want you peons to focus on clintons slob job so you forget the president has a job to do which bush is FAILING at. 3 of the 500 + that have died in Iraq have been friends of mine, a war so Cheneys company can run the oil. Didja know that or were ya to busy being stupid to know who bush gave the clean up job to?? oh and cheney's corp also over charged AMERICANS millions in gas and oil and will get away with it. Bush is going to destroy our national forests and prolly get us all nuked, but hey lets focus on Clintons blow job; not the presidency. how i wish to be a mindless repub, so blissed out on stupidity that i cant see the police state comming, then you will have nothing peon except what you have now, being another anonymous asshole; wondering what went wrong. But dont worry stupidity skips generations so maybe there is hope after all.
SyN
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oh and definetly color on glossy print.
SyN
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I DISAGREE!
there is something really dramatic about black and white............................ :roll: :razz: Being a street cop, witnessing the tragedy firsthand, I've become
convinced that drug prohibition -- not drugs themselves -- are driving the HIV epidemic and the systemic crime that has swamped our criminal justice systems.
--Vancouver Police Const. Gil Puder
[ This Message was edited by: kaydeejaded on 2004-01-22 06:21 ]
[ This Message was edited by: kaydeejaded on 2004-01-22 06:23 ]
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Wesley Clark or John Kerry seem to have the best chance at beating Bush. I'm pulling for Clark.
But you're right -- anyone but Bush. Even Lieberman, a Republican in sheep's clothing, is better than Bush.
Don't waste your vote here... vote Democratic.
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maybe dean will get it just so SNL can rip into him like the do Bush.
SyN
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I tend to agree w/ kaydee :grin:
black and is MUCH classier and it seems more dramatic!! i personally was rooting for cucinich, but it doesnt seem to be going the right way for him. Then again, ANYONE BUT BUSH!!!
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An interesting little clip some here will enjoy.
http://www.blackstarsblog.com/bushin41point2.htm (http://www.blackstarsblog.com/bushin41point2.htm)
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i do beleive i am leaning towards edwards. his campaign style is good, he is young and i like what he says. Kerry i just dont know; but if he is the one against bush then i am all for kerry. ANYONE BUT BUSH. no wmd's no excuses why tax payers have been overcharged by cheneys oil tycoons and he just opened millions of national forest to be drilled, what an asshole. Oh yeah and he sent my friends to get killed for a bullshit war which he seems so excited about. now when they verify no wmd's will he be taken to the UN for war crimes?????? the senseless bombing and killing of thousands just cause sadam couldnt be stoped by his daddy, we all have to suffer. the bush family is the most evil of political familys. their agendas stay the same throughout generations, its quite disturbing how they pull the wool over peoples eyes.
that and his vp dick cheney is the most silent vp ever. the last 4 years i have barely seen or heard from the guy, that is shady enough to boot him.
SyN
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Head Up- Reinstatement of the Draft
I urge you to read the article below on the current agenda of the federal government to
reinstate the draft in order to staff up for a protracted war on "terrorism."
Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the program so the draft could begin at early as Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW, so our action is needed immediately. Details and links follow.
If voters who currently support U.S. aggression abroad were confronted with the possibility that their own children or grandchildren might not have a say about whether to fight, many of these same voters might have a change of mind. (Not that it should make a difference, but this plan would among other things eliminate higher education as a shelter and would not exclude women -- and Canada is no longer an option.)
Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents....And let your children know -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change! Please also write to your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.
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The DRAFT
$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS)budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as
June 15, 2005. SSS must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html (http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html)
The Pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide..
Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of Congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's
prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le5146.htm (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5146.htm)
Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and H.R. 163 forward this year, entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "To provide for
the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26]in the United States, including women, perform a period of military
service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the Committee on Armed Services.
Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, John Manley, and US Homeland Security Director, Gov. Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their cur-rent semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.
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*This article by Adam Stutz is from the "What's Hot Off the Press" column of the newsletter of Project Censored, a media research group at Sonoma State University that tracks the news published in independent journals and newsletters. From these, Project Censored
compiles an annual list (more than 20 years running) of 25 news stories of social significance that have been overlooked,
under-reported, or self-censored by the country's major national news media. The mission of Project Censored is "to educate people about the role of independent journalism in a democratic society and to tell The News That Didn't Make the News and why."
"What's Hot Off the Press" includes student synopses of articles currently being investigated for inclusion in the next Project Censored report. For more info and/or to receive Project Censored's newsletter, go to http://www.projectcensored.org (http://www.projectcensored.org) [censored]@sonoma.edu
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FYI...a Google search using S -89 indicates that Senator Hollings has introduced a bill to reinstate the draft.
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http://www.costofwar.com/ (http://www.costofwar.com/)
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I won't post anonymously, and I'll stand behind my choice to vote for George W. in 2000. I felt at that point like it was the lesser of two evils. (And yes, I'm one of those politically conservative southern Christian people that everyone seems to despise so much. Sorry to break it to you.)
This time around, I doubt what I vote for Bush. Not because I disagree with the war with Iraq, I think it was coming eventually, whether it was now with GW or later on with someone else. I don't agree with the way that it was handled, and multiple other things that have happened, especially since 9/11. And I think that John Kerry or John Edwards would probably do a good job of cleaning up the mess that's been made. I'm vehemently anti-Hillary Clinton for a multitude of reasons, that are too numerous to go into here. But I'm voting for the Democratic candidate myself most likely this time around.
I've considered voting Independent, or Green Party, but like someone mentioned before, basically all you do with a vote there is to make a statement. If enough people that honestly believed the principles of the alternatives did vote their consciences, there might be a worthwile purpose. But for me, for now, I'll just continue to choose the lesser of two evils, until something comes along that pushes me into another way of thinking.
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I"m not saying Clinton was perfect, but DAMN....I think it's about time we DID have someone in the White House that enjoyed an occassional blow job or spliff. Most of America has done the same at one time or another...I think it puts him a little more in touch (no pun intended) with reality instead of the fucking religious right wanting to have so much influence over how I should live MY LIFE. ::bangin::
Oh, and then there's that little issue called the ECONOMY. Seems Clinton has got it all over Bush on that one. :wave: None of Nature's landscapes are ugly so long as they are wild.
-- John Muir
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I've always liked Bush and still do and he most certainly will have my vote! And please don't bust my balls.....it's my right to vote for who I want as much as it is for you to vote for who you want.
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i woulda busted em if you posted anon.
anon's have no intestinal fortitude.
vote vote vote. dont care for who just dont bitch if ya dont vote.
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Back to the topic, there is only one good kind of Bush, and it isnt' the president.
Get rid of em.
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Check out the G.W. Bush Coloring Book that just came out. You can find it at http://www.gcpress.com (http://www.gcpress.com).