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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 11, 2004, 10:17:00 PM
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Here is the Article Again
Antibody
How to Get On Board.
Posted: 2004-11-09 18:17:00
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Here is the name and phone of the law firm that is handling the case against RMA and BCA.
There are a lot of stories missing about the extended table assignments lasting weeks and months, social isolation, group consequences, punishmant for mastrubation by mormon staff, staff hiding in dorms and spying on kids from closets, double binds and impossible assignments leading to eventual hospitalization, lying to parents (I was there while they lied) and setting up kids to explode so they would have to be sent to Ascent at 16 K for 6 weeks - ie racketeering.
Lawe Offices of Powell and Reed
Sandpoint Idaho
Phone 208-263-3529
Send the article to students and parents - We might be able to shut those hell holes down.
Antibody
Former CEDU Therapist who saw it all
I posted the article - ha ha
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i think i was on some sort of restriction for 1/3+ of my stay.
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Hello, I am confused by your closing. You say "ha ha" What do you mean by this? Do you think I am in some kind of contest with you here? Sorry, I'm just really confused. Can you explain?
I contacted Todd Reed and he would not assure me that I would have legal protection. I am wondering about this lawsuit.
On 2004-11-11 19:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Here is the Article Again
Antibody
How to Get On Board.
Posted: 2004-11-09 18:17:00
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Lawe Offices of Powell and Reed
Sandpoint Idaho
Phone 208-263-3529
Send the article to students and parents - We might be able to shut those hell holes down.
Antibody
Former CEDU Therapist who saw it all
I posted the article - ha ha "
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Great! The fucks finally get it! I was at CEDU from 2001-2003, and while it was not as bad as it was a few years before, some of the shit that went on there was complete bullshit.
Trivelpiece staring at girls until they confessed "dirt". Same goes for Drapeau and B. Brown. Unprofessional asses.
I love the CEDU is "evolving" with the times comment. Evolving new ways to save it's ass.
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Suits allege abuse at two schools
Private CEDU academies treat troubled teens
Kevin Taylor
Staff writer
October 29, 2004
More than two dozen parents and former students at Rocky Mountain Academy and Boulder Creek Academy ? two expensive private schools for troubled teens ? have filed four lawsuits claiming a pattern of neglect and abuse inflicted upon kids by staff or by other students running out of staffers' control.
The four lawsuits can be grouped into two categories, Todd Reed, attorney for the plaintiffs, said Thursday. Two of the suits recount allegations of misconduct and breach-of-contract issues from Boulder Creek Academy near Bonners Ferry in the mid- to late-1990s; the others concern students more recently enrolled at Rocky Mountain Academy, which is near Naples, Idaho. Boulder Creek typically houses 70 students. Rocky Mountain, which typically enrolls nearly 40 students, currently has 30.
Among the allegations listed in the lawsuits filed at the Bonner County Courthouse in Sandpoint:
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One boy was forced to dig a grave, crawl into a coffin in the grave and have dirt thrown on it by staff.
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A girl was called "fatty" by staff even as she was being counseled by other staffers for bulimia.
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Another girl was called a "whore" and forced by staffers to wear a derisive sign advertising oral sex.
Another suit alleges a student at RMA was hazed, beaten and insulted constantly and with impunity by other students because staffers were not in the dormitories and didn't seem to care enough to stop the beatings when they did find out.
"We believe these allegations have no basis," Julia Andrick, marketing and communications director for CEDU Family of Services Inc., the parent company for both Rocky Mountain and Boulder Creek academies. "The charges are groundless and we are going to go ahead and litigate as appropriate."
Reed said the lawsuits focus on poor staffing levels, poorly trained staff and a lack of supervision that led to verbal and physical abuse.
"We are not asserting that all staff are bad at Rocky Mountain Academy ? my impression is that fine people work there," Reed said. "We are asserting there is a struggle between two differing thought processes ? the old CEDU and the new CEDU."
The old CEDU was verbally abusive, he said, while the newer approach "focuses more on the therapeutic process." The schism, Reed said, is problematic: "My concern is there is a lack of direction. From our perspective, the problem was RMA was going through school directors so quickly nothing has been consistent."
Andrick said Rocky Mountain Academy in September hired its third director in 10 months and fourth since 2001. She was unable to provide numbers on staff turnover, but did agree the approach at the schools has been changing in recent years because the students are changing.
Students at Rocky Mountain Academy today typically are dealing with drug or alcohol problems in addition to the types of behavioral or emotional issues ? "school failure, low self-esteem, families in turmoil" ? that drew students in the past, Andrick said.
More staffers are drug and alcohol counselors than in previous times when students were typically taken into the wilderness to either perform various tasks or suffer "natural consequences," Andrick said, citing the example of getting wet if a student re-fused to pitch a tent on a hiking trip.
"It's not a schism. It's been an evolution," she said. "We are changing with the times and changing with society's needs."
The lawsuits allege families typically pay $5,500 a month ? sometimes up to $16,000 for special six-week programs ? with promises from CEDU that their children are "cared for, taught and treated by high-quality staff."
The high price should not equate to students being forced to use scissors to cut large areas of lawn in July while dressed in winter clothing, be routinely told by staffers "your parents don't love you," or to suffer sexual assaults from other students while staffers, according to the court papers, did nothing.
CEDU is no stranger to such lawsuits. In November 2002, the company paid a $300,000 settlement to two former students who had alleged CEDU hired poorly trained, abusive staff. The students said the situation was what led to a student riot at Rocky Mountain Academy in 1997. Five students and staffers were injured in the riot.
Reed said a second lawsuit against CEDU in North Idaho also was settled, but the amount of the award has been sealed.
"You pay outrageous amounts of money and send your kid to a location where it is represented that your child is safe," Reed said, "And instead your child is exposed to alcohol and drugs and sex at that location, and couple that with abusive actions directed at children by staff," showing that the academy staffers were poorly trained and supervised, he said.
"We keep detailed records on students and their activities and therapy and counseling and academic records," Andrick said. "We do have information and we do feel these are groundless lawsuits. It's sad, but we will battle it out in court."
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hey anon, who are you? i was at BCA from 2000-2003. you can e-mail me
[email protected]
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All this excitement about finally closing down CEDU---maybe just RMA or BCA---it just isn't going to happen
At this moment CEDU is lining up parents and grads who are happy with the program and succesful in post-idaho lives---how's that going to shake out---do you think the families bring the suits are going to look good in comparison--that's not what I hear. Especially in Idaho.
This is fact---I know one of the families that CEDU approached--they have a strategy to make the plaintiffs (and people like the ones at this site) look like tatooed--drugged-out---dangerous loser kooks---I also know they watch this site---will use stuff from it to make their points--trust me they're not planning on shutting anything down but plaintiff witnesses
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The answer is obvious, if cedu's lining up witnessess, then we line up more. If cedu is digging dirt up on us, then we dig up more on them (this won't be hard to do). We can and we will beat them...if 24 families aren't enough, then we'll find 44 or 64 or 100, whatever it takes! Speak up! It's not a dream, we can beat Cedu and they know it! Cedu is scared, they talk tough now, just like any big corporation scared about it's future. Soon they'll try to bargain and weasle out in a settlement. Then we go to court and we beat them.
Cedu tries, but they won't silence us, there are way too many of us for anyone to ignore. Cedu knows this.
"They've got the guns but we've got the numbers, we're gonna win, yeah we're taking over!"
-Jim Morrison
See you in court Cedu!
.[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-11-17 12:54 ]
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I ain't no druggie and I would stand by anything I've posted here. SOS, thank you so much for your (in this instance) entertaining reality check. It gives me courage and pride to continue writing here and writing my story.
-blownaway
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I personally witnessed the allegations and many more abuses - We will shut you down. Me and many of my fellow therapists will be there to testify.
RMA and BCA will GO Down Hard - Mark My words.
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Someone is dreaming but it is not us. Just look at the numbers of enrollments now as opposed to 1990. RMA for example, routenely had around 200 students. Now NWA is completely shut down and RMA has about 30 students. This is because of all the hard work we have been doung exposing ebuse.
Now you have 24 plus lawsuits involving RMA and BCA
In the past you have an escort drugging and raping a student
You have abuse in Raps and propheets and I have the old scripts and boxes of e mails and your operations manual
Your students told me in therapy sessions how they were made to act out sex acts in propheets with staff and this was therapy. Several complained of the same abuse mantioned in these new lawsuits.
Wendy and Greg will confirm this sick history since Wendy was a victim too - being forced to pretend to fuck a Bipolar student in the propheet.
I can go on and on and I will until you brainwashed cult BCA RMA idiots are gone just like NWA.
This is a movement and it cannot be stopped.
You just settled the Acccromonzo case for $400,000 - BCA is a mess of mental illness and sociopaths together - a recipe for disaster.
You have a record of suicides, graduate deaths and rampant drug addiction. And finally you have many people like me who worked there and documented everything
CEDU and BCA are history
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All the ex-CEDU therapists I hear about here are afraid to use their names--how are they going to appear in court?
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MR Reed (the attorney) will have us served to appear. Once on the stand, we are just doing our duty to the court and you can't be sued for that
All we theripists have to do is call Mr Reed and ask to be ordered to appear - then we just tell the truth - something CEDU has never done. Their record speaks for itself. Ask Child Protective services and Facilities licensing. They have records of this stuff going back decades.
And we will remind the court that most of CEDU managers have no education and/ or fake PhD degrees from a diploma Mill - California Coast College
It is they who have no credubility.
DUH
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Suits allege abuse at two schools
Private CEDU academies treat troubled teens
Kevin Taylor
Staff writer
October 29, 2004
More than two dozen parents and former students at Rocky Mountain Academy and Boulder Creek Academy ? two expensive private schools for troubled teens ? have filed four lawsuits claiming a pattern of neglect and abuse inflicted upon kids by staff or by other students running out of staffers' control.
The four lawsuits can be grouped into two categories, Todd Reed, attorney for the plaintiffs, said Thursday. Two of the suits recount allegations of misconduct and breach-of-contract issues from Boulder Creek Academy near Bonners Ferry in the mid- to late-1990s; the others concern students more recently enrolled at Rocky Mountain Academy, which is near Naples, Idaho. Boulder Creek typically houses 70 students. Rocky Mountain, which typically enrolls nearly 40 students, currently has 30.
Among the allegations listed in the lawsuits filed at the Bonner County Courthouse in Sandpoint:
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One boy was forced to dig a grave, crawl into a coffin in the grave and have dirt thrown on it by staff.
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A girl was called "fatty" by staff even as she was being counseled by other staffers for bulimia.
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Another girl was called a "whore" and forced by staffers to wear a derisive sign advertising oral sex.
Another suit alleges a student at RMA was hazed, beaten and insulted constantly and with impunity by other students because staffers were not in the dormitories and didn't seem to care enough to stop the beatings when they did find out.
"We believe these allegations have no basis," Julia Andrick, marketing and communications director for CEDU Family of Services Inc., the parent company for both Rocky Mountain and Boulder Creek academies. "The charges are groundless and we are going to go ahead and litigate as appropriate."
Reed said the lawsuits focus on poor staffing levels, poorly trained staff and a lack of supervision that led to verbal and physical abuse.
"We are not asserting that all staff are bad at Rocky Mountain Academy ? my impression is that fine people work there," Reed said. "We are asserting there is a struggle between two differing thought processes ? the old CEDU and the new CEDU."
The old CEDU was verbally abusive, he said, while the newer approach "focuses more on the therapeutic process." The schism, Reed said, is problematic: "My concern is there is a lack of direction. From our perspective, the problem was RMA was going through school directors so quickly nothing has been consistent."
Andrick said Rocky Mountain Academy in September hired its third director in 10 months and fourth since 2001. She was unable to provide numbers on staff turnover, but did agree the approach at the schools has been changing in recent years because the students are changing.
Students at Rocky Mountain Academy today typically are dealing with drug or alcohol problems in addition to the types of behavioral or emotional issues ? "school failure, low self-esteem, families in turmoil" ? that drew students in the past, Andrick said.
More staffers are drug and alcohol counselors than in previous times when students were typically taken into the wilderness to either perform various tasks or suffer "natural consequences," Andrick said, citing the example of getting wet if a student re-fused to pitch a tent on a hiking trip.
"It's not a schism. It's been an evolution," she said. "We are changing with the times and changing with society's needs."
The lawsuits allege families typically pay $5,500 a month ? sometimes up to $16,000 for special six-week programs ? with promises from CEDU that their children are "cared for, taught and treated by high-quality staff."
The high price should not equate to students being forced to use scissors to cut large areas of lawn in July while dressed in winter clothing, be routinely told by staffers "your parents don't love you," or to suffer sexual assaults from other students while staffers, according to the court papers, did nothing.
CEDU is no stranger to such lawsuits. In November 2002, the company paid a $300,000 settlement to two former students who had alleged CEDU hired poorly trained, abusive staff. The students said the situation was what led to a student riot at Rocky Mountain Academy in 1997. Five students and staffers were injured in the riot.
Reed said a second lawsuit against CEDU in North Idaho also was settled, but the amount of the award has been sealed.
"You pay outrageous amounts of money and send your kid to a location where it is represented that your child is safe," Reed said, "And instead your child is exposed to alcohol and drugs and sex at that location, and couple that with abusive actions directed at children by staff," showing that the academy staffers were poorly trained and supervised, he said.
"We keep detailed records on students and their activities and therapy and counseling and academic records," Andrick said. "We do have information and we do feel these are groundless lawsuits. It's sad, but we will battle it out in court."
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Suits allege abuse at two schools
Private CEDU academies treat troubled teens
Kevin Taylor
Staff writer
October 29, 2004
More than two dozen parents and former students at Rocky Mountain Academy and Boulder Creek Academy ? two expensive private schools for troubled teens ? have filed four lawsuits claiming a pattern of neglect and abuse inflicted upon kids by staff or by other students running out of staffers' control.
The four lawsuits can be grouped into two categories, Todd Reed, attorney for the plaintiffs, said Thursday. Two of the suits recount allegations of misconduct and breach-of-contract issues from Boulder Creek Academy near Bonners Ferry in the mid- to late-1990s; the others concern students more recently enrolled at Rocky Mountain Academy, which is near Naples, Idaho. Boulder Creek typically houses 70 students. Rocky Mountain, which typically enrolls nearly 40 students, currently has 30.
Among the allegations listed in the lawsuits filed at the Bonner County Courthouse in Sandpoint:
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One boy was forced to dig a grave, crawl into a coffin in the grave and have dirt thrown on it by staff.
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A girl was called "fatty" by staff even as she was being counseled by other staffers for bulimia.
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Another girl was called a "whore" and forced by staffers to wear a derisive sign advertising oral sex.
Another suit alleges a student at RMA was hazed, beaten and insulted constantly and with impunity by other students because staffers were not in the dormitories and didn't seem to care enough to stop the beatings when they did find out.
"We believe these allegations have no basis," Julia Andrick, marketing and communications director for CEDU Family of Services Inc., the parent company for both Rocky Mountain and Boulder Creek academies. "The charges are groundless and we are going to go ahead and litigate as appropriate."
Reed said the lawsuits focus on poor staffing levels, poorly trained staff and a lack of supervision that led to verbal and physical abuse.
"We are not asserting that all staff are bad at Rocky Mountain Academy ? my impression is that fine people work there," Reed said. "We are asserting there is a struggle between two differing thought processes ? the old CEDU and the new CEDU."
The old CEDU was verbally abusive, he said, while the newer approach "focuses more on the therapeutic process." The schism, Reed said, is problematic: "My concern is there is a lack of direction. From our perspective, the problem was RMA was going through school directors so quickly nothing has been consistent."
Andrick said Rocky Mountain Academy in September hired its third director in 10 months and fourth since 2001. She was unable to provide numbers on staff turnover, but did agree the approach at the schools has been changing in recent years because the students are changing.
Students at Rocky Mountain Academy today typically are dealing with drug or alcohol problems in addition to the types of behavioral or emotional issues ? "school failure, low self-esteem, families in turmoil" ? that drew students in the past, Andrick said.
More staffers are drug and alcohol counselors than in previous times when students were typically taken into the wilderness to either perform various tasks or suffer "natural consequences," Andrick said, citing the example of getting wet if a student re-fused to pitch a tent on a hiking trip.
"It's not a schism. It's been an evolution," she said. "We are changing with the times and changing with society's needs."
The lawsuits allege families typically pay $5,500 a month ? sometimes up to $16,000 for special six-week programs ? with promises from CEDU that their children are "cared for, taught and treated by high-quality staff."
The high price should not equate to students being forced to use scissors to cut large areas of lawn in July while dressed in winter clothing, be routinely told by staffers "your parents don't love you," or to suffer sexual assaults from other students while staffers, according to the court papers, did nothing.
CEDU is no stranger to such lawsuits. In November 2002, the company paid a $300,000 settlement to two former students who had alleged CEDU hired poorly trained, abusive staff. The students said the situation was what led to a student riot at Rocky Mountain Academy in 1997. Five students and staffers were injured in the riot.
Reed said a second lawsuit against CEDU in North Idaho also was settled, but the amount of the award has been sealed.
"You pay outrageous amounts of money and send your kid to a location where it is represented that your child is safe," Reed said, "And instead your child is exposed to alcohol and drugs and sex at that location, and couple that with abusive actions directed at children by staff," showing that the academy staffers were poorly trained and supervised, he said.
"We keep detailed records on students and their activities and therapy and counseling and academic records," Andrick said. "We do have information and we do feel these are groundless lawsuits. It's sad, but we will battle it out in court."
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It's been posted here - more than once - that he did NOT respond to a query as to how an ex-staffer would be legally protected. That's going to be a problem as far as getting ex-staff and ex-therapists to help, don't you think?
On 2004-11-18 15:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"All the ex-CEDU therapists I hear about here are afraid to use their names--how are they going to appear in court?"
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Former Staff Therapists, Students, and aware parents Call Attorney, Todd Reed, at 208-263-3529
And ask to be summoned to testify against BCA, RMA - You saw the Abuse - I will see you there and back you up.
Just one of many therapists who was screwed for protecting kids from abuse and tyrants like LaTresa Pemp, Bill Brown and Marc Travelpiece.
Again ---- This is the Article:
Suits allege abuse at two schools
Private CEDU academies treat troubled teens
Kevin Taylor
Staff writer
October 29, 2004
More than two dozen parents and former students at Rocky Mountain Academy and Boulder Creek Academy ? two expensive private schools for troubled teens ? have filed four lawsuits claiming a pattern of neglect and abuse inflicted upon kids by staff or by other students running out of staffers' control.
The four lawsuits can be grouped into two categories, Todd Reed, attorney for the plaintiffs, said Thursday. Two of the suits recount allegations of misconduct and breach-of-contract issues from Boulder Creek Academy near Bonners Ferry in the mid- to late-1990s; the others concern students more recently enrolled at Rocky Mountain Academy, which is near Naples, Idaho. Boulder Creek typically houses 70 students. Rocky Mountain, which typically enrolls nearly 40 students, currently has 30.
Among the allegations listed in the lawsuits filed at the Bonner County Courthouse in Sandpoint:
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One boy was forced to dig a grave, crawl into a coffin in the grave and have dirt thrown on it by staff.
--
A girl was called "fatty" by staff even as she was being counseled by other staffers for bulimia.
--
Another girl was called a "whore" and forced by staffers to wear a derisive sign advertising oral sex.
Another suit alleges a student at RMA was hazed, beaten and insulted constantly and with impunity by other students because staffers were not in the dormitories and didn't seem to care enough to stop the beatings when they did find out.
"We believe these allegations have no basis," Julia Andrick, marketing and communications director for CEDU Family of Services Inc., the parent company for both Rocky Mountain and Boulder Creek academies. "The charges are groundless and we are going to go ahead and litigate as appropriate."
Reed said the lawsuits focus on poor staffing levels, poorly trained staff and a lack of supervision that led to verbal and physical abuse.
"We are not asserting that all staff are bad at Rocky Mountain Academy ? my impression is that fine people work there," Reed said. "We are asserting there is a struggle between two differing thought processes ? the old CEDU and the new CEDU."
The old CEDU was verbally abusive, he said, while the newer approach "focuses more on the therapeutic process." The schism, Reed said, is problematic: "My concern is there is a lack of direction. From our perspective, the problem was RMA was going through school directors so quickly nothing has been consistent."
Andrick said Rocky Mountain Academy in September hired its third director in 10 months and fourth since 2001. She was unable to provide numbers on staff turnover, but did agree the approach at the schools has been changing in recent years because the students are changing.
Students at Rocky Mountain Academy today typically are dealing with drug or alcohol problems in addition to the types of behavioral or emotional issues ? "school failure, low self-esteem, families in turmoil" ? that drew students in the past, Andrick said.
More staffers are drug and alcohol counselors than in previous times when students were typically taken into the wilderness to either perform various tasks or suffer "natural consequences," Andrick said, citing the example of getting wet if a student re-fused to pitch a tent on a hiking trip.
"It's not a schism. It's been an evolution," she said. "We are changing with the times and changing with society's needs."
The lawsuits allege families typically pay $5,500 a month ? sometimes up to $16,000 for special six-week programs ? with promises from CEDU that their children are "cared for, taught and treated by high-quality staff."
The high price should not equate to students being forced to use scissors to cut large areas of lawn in July while dressed in winter clothing, be routinely told by staffers "your parents don't love you," or to suffer sexual assaults from other students while staffers, according to the court papers, did nothing.
CEDU is no stranger to such lawsuits. In November 2002, the company paid a $300,000 settlement to two former students who had alleged CEDU hired poorly trained, abusive staff. The students said the situation was what led to a student riot at Rocky Mountain Academy in 1997. Five students and staffers were injured in the riot.
Reed said a second lawsuit against CEDU in North Idaho also was settled, but the amount of the award has been sealed.
"You pay outrageous amounts of money and send your kid to a location where it is represented that your child is safe," Reed said, "And instead your child is exposed to alcohol and drugs and sex at that location, and couple that with abusive actions directed at children by staff," showing that the academy staffers were poorly trained and supervised, he said.
"We keep detailed records on students and their activities and therapy and counseling and academic records," Andrick said. "We do have information and we do feel these are groundless lawsuits. It's sad, but we will battle it out in court."
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anybody want to know who how and why they were taught to do what they do
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Okay - so how do you answer the issue raised that Todd WOULD NOT assure me that I would be legally protected if I testify. I want NO money. Understand what I am saying - HE WOULD NOT RESPOND! It causes me to question how much I can trust him. CEDU is rich and powerful. I don't need ANY problem with them! I almost had PTSD from working there. So, I would like to help, but count me out!
On 2004-11-21 14:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Former Staff Therapists, Students, and aware parents Call Attorney, Todd Reed, at 208-263-3529
And ask to be summoned to testify against BCA, RMA - You saw the Abuse - I will see you there and back you up.
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Some of us are willing to put our ass on the line to help the innocent. You should never have been a therapist in the first place, because you are not one of those people.
COUNT ME IN!!! (310)756-4534
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Bryan, even though we have never met you know who I am. I shared that with you because I respect your need for absolute honesty...about everything. I try to be the same. But I wouldnt' put my real name on here and it's not just because of RMA. As a matter of fact, I think by putting my name here I would be able to help generate a larger pool of testimonials from "legit" ex students who want to talk about their experience whatever it was. And I want to do that. It's the other part of the privacy issues raised that I hesitate. Reed knows who I am and I urge him to stay in touch with me. I am still working on my own strategies and for that right now I need anonymity. Also if time tells, I will know based on the experiences I have posted and my opinions of some of these deplorable players whether fornits/ or the internet itself, is to be trusted with personal information. Thanks again for that Cedu. It's deep and we'll do that later... but also with the few people I have been in contact with from this site, to know that there is the reciprocity of respect and time...
I can certainly be counted on to give publicly a testimonial of my experience during those YEARS and also written form. I'm not scared of CEDU, I'm scared of fanatical cultists.
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On 2004-11-23 08:10:00, blownawaytheidahoway wrote:
Also if time tells, I will know based on the experiences I have posted and my opinions of some of these deplorable players whether fornits/ or the internet itself, is to be trusted with personal information.
In a word, no. The net in general and this forum in particular are very, very public places. You see a lot of very private, personal information thrown around here and there. But it's entirely up to the individual what you want to divulge. So if you have your reasons for keeping anonymous, please ignore any leftover pressure to divulge, it is completely invalid, even if it makes some others uncomfortable at time (sometimes, especially so!).
The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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Just for others information. Yes, me and Blownaway know who eachother are, and we've formed some trust, I believe.
Man, I don't say these things to pressure you or anyone. I've placed my true name and number on this site deliberately, in hopes that by doing so it would help others to get over the fear of that place. You know that.
Some of us have very good reasons to remain anonymous. Some of these reasons may even be because of some of the psychos that were there with us. Of course I understand that.
I'm just in a position right now, where I don't need to fear anything that CEDU or its affiliates could do. There is nothing they could do to harm me without harming themselves.
Take care, my friend and give me a call any time. Time to get Selasie Eyed.
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Look, Annymous,
How many times do I have to say it?
Staff or not--You don't need legal protection.
You can't be punished for giving court testamony.
By doing so you are doing your civil duty.
You can't be sued, harassed or punished for testifying in court.
I will no longer respond to any more people who just don't get it no matter how many times you explain it.
aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
Max
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Max who? did you go to BCA?
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Hey yall, been gone a while but it looks like you have been very busy. I was surprised to hear RMA was down to 30 students. WOW! Times have changed since 93'. Prior to the funny farm opening up there must have been a couple hundred of us there.
Just out of curiousity, has anyone checked into the statute of limitations and how it relates to your case?
Enjoy-Polarbear
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Um... gee, Anonymous Max. I didn't see your response before. Really. Missed it. You can understand how I would freak out when he responded to my first email offering to help and then did not respond to TWO followup queries regarding protection. Don't mean to aggravate you, man, but you can understand how this would cause concern!
Jon
On 2004-11-23 18:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Look, Annymous,
How many times do I have to say it?
Staff or not--You don't need legal protection.
You can't be punished for giving court testamony.
By doing so you are doing your civil duty.
You can't be sued, harassed or punished for testifying in court.
I will no longer respond to any more people who just don't get it no matter how many times you explain it.
aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
Max
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We need your help exposing abues call Todd Reed
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Antibody says: I don't even know who you are let alone what you are talking about.
My advice: Realize - nothing is about you. It's about CEDU
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I would love to be a part of the lawsuit against CEDU. But if you know anything about the law you know that the moment you open your mouth you become a target for a counter suit. That is the way the game is played.
If I had the money to defend myself against what would suredly be an long, expensive battle, I would do it in a heartbeat.
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speak out cedu just threatens to sue like they threaten kids with their lives all the time. they are cowards who say lies about kids and when confronted they try to yell first amendment. they think because they have been lying forever that they can just continue to do so. speak out it is your right others have done so since that wasserman liar .
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[ This Message was edited by: blownawaytheidahoway on 2004-12-03 06:08 ]
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Thomas Jefferson, arguably one of the three greatest founding fathers said (pardon a modest paraphrase):
"Error of judgement may be tolerated, only where Reason is FREE to combat it."
We have been, as a civilization, given the framework upon which to fight the tyranny, oppression and injustices that men and women cast against us,every day,in the smallest and most sublime of all ways.
The framework is a tool. Your intent to speak the truth and then exact justice is required and this lies in your willingness to use that framework, as it was handed down to you.
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The framework is a tool. Your intent to speak the truth and then exact justice is required and this lies in your willingness to use that framework, as it was handed down to you.
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On 2004-11-30 08:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thomas Jefferson, arguably one of the three greatest founding fathers said (pardon a modest paraphrase):
"Error of judgement may be tolerated, only where Reason is FREE to combat it."
We have been, as a civilization, given the framework upon which to fight the tyranny, oppression and injustices that men and women cast against us,every day,in the smallest and most sublime of all ways.
The framework is a tool. Your intent to speak the truth and then exact justice is required and this lies in your willingness to use that framework, as it was handed down to you."
Thank you Owen, for being my friend, hearing my story, and visiting this site for me and then posting a worthwhile comment. You are a true friend.
-the general captain
blownaway
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Hi all
I went to RMA, Ascent and BCA. I was doin the program from 96-99. BCA pg 12. What is it like now? Someone email me please [email protected]
Rachel
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Here is part of the Spokesman Review article
More than two dozen parents and former students at Rocky Mountain Academy and Boulder Creek Academy ? two expensive private schools for troubled teens ? have filed four lawsuits claiming a pattern of neglect and abuse inflicted upon kids by staff or by other students running out of staffers' control.
The four lawsuits can be grouped into two categories, Todd Reed, attorney for the plaintiffs, said Thursday. Two of the suits recount allegations of misconduct and breach-of-contract issues from Boulder Creek Academy near Bonners Ferry in the mid- to late-1990s; the others concern students more recently enrolled at Rocky Mountain Academy, which is near Naples, Idaho. Boulder Creek typically houses 70 students. Rocky Mountain, which typically enrolls nearly 40 students, currently has 30.
Among the allegations listed in the lawsuits filed at the Bonner County Courthouse in Sandpoint:
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One boy was forced to dig a grave, crawl into a coffin in the grave and have dirt thrown on it by staff.
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A girl was called "fatty" by staff even as she was being counseled by other staffers for bulimia.
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Another girl was called a "whore" and forced by staffers to wear a derisive sign advertising oral sex.
Another suit alleges a student at RMA was hazed, beaten and insulted constantly and with impunity by other students because staffers were not in the dormitories and didn't seem to care enough to stop the beatings when they did find out.
There is more on other fornits pages
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Regarding CEDU's alleged ability to counter-sue. One word says it all. Bullshit.
I have spent a lot of time with Child Protective Services. Any worker there grinds teeth and bites lip at mearly hearing the words Milestones, CEDU RMA or BCA.
Every state in the Northwest has heard of the abuse related riots, suicides, suffocation death, uneducated staff, yelling, intimidation, recketeering, religious and racial persecution and illegal punishment of kids at CEDU. Everone knows they are a cult - even the managers.
If parents send their kids to any CEDU school they are willfully setting the child up for abuse and possible death. And, they alone will be held financially and legally responsible - before CEDU
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Does anyone know the status of the lawsuit?
Or what it is about
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On 2004-11-18 08:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I personally witnessed the allegations and many more abuses - We will shut you down. Me and many of my fellow therapists will be there to testify.
RMA and BCA will GO Down Hard - Mark My words."
Please, what is the status of the suit now that the schools are closed? Are these people going to walk away to do it again under another name? Do you still need witnesses?
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SIBS will be hiring some of them if need be. The group seems to be getting off to a bit of a shaky start, (this is to be expected to some degree) so we may need to consider hiring some staff from the outside....time will tell.
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too bad that now that cedu is closed, and bankrupt, there will be no money for any of you. you would be unsecured creditors standing in the back of a long line with the secured creditors coming first... noone will ever see a dime.
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How about the group punishment in 03/03 when everyone on restriction was forced to move out of their dorms into Martin Luther King together so they could "swim in their own shit"? What an interesting interpretation of the "clean your own pond" exercise that parents participate in at family conferences. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion as long as it is not inflicted on others, but that was not my idea of the therapeutic use of positive peer culture.....
On 2004-11-11 19:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Here is the Article Again
Antibody
How to Get On Board.
Posted: 2004-11-09 18:17:00
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Here is the name and phone of the law firm that is handling the case against RMA and BCA.
There are a lot of stories missing about the extended table assignments lasting weeks and months, social isolation, group consequences, punishmant for mastrubation by mormon staff, staff hiding in dorms and spying on kids from closets, double binds and impossible assignments leading to eventual hospitalization, lying to parents (I was there while they lied) and setting up kids to explode so they would have to be sent to Ascent at 16 K for 6 weeks - ie racketeering.
Lawe Offices of Powell and Reed
Sandpoint Idaho
Phone 208-263-3529
Send the article to students and parents - We might be able to shut those hell holes down.
Antibody
Former CEDU Therapist who saw it all
I posted the article - ha ha "
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Could anyone please post information on how to go about suing your parents for sending you to a cedu program? how do you start? what do you need to do?
Thanks,
OD
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What/who is SIBS???
On 2005-04-06 10:03:00, Dr Fucktard wrote:
"SIBS will be hiring some of them if need be. The group seems to be getting off to a bit of a shaky start, (this is to be expected to some degree) so we may need to consider hiring some staff from the outside....time will tell."
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What/who is SIBS???
SIBS stands for Shoving In Butts Severely. When you are taken there, you are forced to watch Newton forcefuck Fucktard in the ass all day long for the whole program. There is really no point to it, just like CEDU, it just fucks you up more in the end.
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More trauma induction, eh? More brain washing posing as treatment?
On 2005-04-09 08:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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What/who is SIBS???
SIBS stands for Shoving In Butts Severely. When you are taken there, you are forced to watch Newton forcefuck Fucktard in the ass all day long for the whole program. There is really no point to it, just like CEDU, it just fucks you up more in the end. "
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I broke my hand and I was NOT taken to the hospital. Instead, they sent me to run the "Microwave" and chop wood. I went weeks without proper treatment. I was forced to work in spite of the pain. After I finally got treated. My hand was still healing when I was made to go on "Expirientials", hiking along the mountainside. More like trying to keep up with the counselor leading us at an all out sprint. We came to a steep decline, people were sliding down past me, as I held onto a root sticking out of the ground. I watched as one girl slid past me and over the edge of the cliff. Needless to say my hand was rebroken. I begged to let me go back. The counselor agreed and point toward the school. He sent me to go back on my own, pointing the direction to go. I ended up stuck on the middle of a cliff with no one to help and no secruity gear. Finally the group found me and helped. By the time I got back to the school I was in the worse pain of my life.
I shiver at the thought of Cedu. I hope that they are never allowed to open anywhere, ever again. I have many more horrible expiriences.....asthma attacks, no treatment.
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i was impaled in the face with a 1/2 inch stick about 3 cm from the eye socket and they refused to allow me to go to the hospital. i now have lost a lot of vision in the eye, and have a huge scar. thanks RMA
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i got 'initiated' in my dorm with the narrow end of a plunger and needed stitches in my ass, but they just laughed at me and wouldn't let me go to the hospital. so i bled from the ass for awhile and now i have a scar somewhere deep in my ass.
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You were basically raped, not initiated. Did this happen to anyone else? Seriously, how did this school stay open? I mean they could blame the initiation on the kids except the entire culture of bullying and boundary violation was propagated by the staff.
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That is all fine and good, but what about those of us who were traumatized because we weren't raped but wanted to be? What's wrong with me? Am I not pretty enough for you?
(Why do I have a feeling I have mentioned this before?)
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you're kidding, right? satire, right?
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nooooooooooo....! :razz:
Could I be any more sarcastic?
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Castle, that's what I love about you. You win the Just Say Fuck No to Political Correctness award. Yes, I think you are our top contender in the running. Cheerios!
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to tell everyone the truth, its not cedu you have to be smarter then. Its the Lawers. Thats all they do. Have the shit that we dont get in the world and all those bad laws that pass for some reason are because of lawers. they just sue, sue, sue, and gain more money to imagine.
I used to go to BCA in like 2001 to 2003, and i went through experiences when they took me from freedom down to slavery. What a free country we live in. Yea for the usa.
Well, mormons run the school, and that is the state of things. but if anybody wants to email me and im sure that you'll remember me. my email is [email protected]
fuckin hit me up, cause this shit aint safe.
Peace & Love.
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"I personally witnessed the allegations and many more abuses - We will shut you down. Me and many of my fellow therapists will be there to testify.
you are a hero
dont let anyone pretending to be a cedu student intimidate you into not testifying.
no one will ever hold anything small against you when you are trying to bring the giant down
you are my personal hero
(cedu family survivor)
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anyone who witnessed or can validify abuse in anyway please call these people and find out what you can do....
jeez...hold on am i just being paranoid....how do we know this # and Todd guy is legit... I mean....i dont know. How can i check into this?
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We are preparing a lawsuit pertaining to CEDU and Running Springs during the period of 2002-2004. If you have any information you would like to share regarding abuse, therapy and educational program please respond and I will contact you directly.
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oh boo hoo, I was abused, grow some skin. why can't you all admit that you weren't abused, you're just pissed off about losing 2-3 of the best years of your life? that's not abuse, that's just you getting a raw deal.
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Wrong, it is abuse. When you make a "deal" as a consenting party sometimes you get a "raw deal". When your time is STOlEN from you, against your will that is ABUSE! Or maybe I'll just come to your house, take your video games and ipod and say "Oh boo hoo, you just got a raw deal" grow some skin. :flame:
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You're really a homo. Take my video games and iPod? That would break my heart :sad: Don't grow some skin, grow a sack and shut the fuck up.
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Haha I wish you'd come to my house bitch. You'd be searching around like a dumbshit for the video games and ipod I don't have, and then I'd just kidnap your ass...cut your tongue out and leave you in my shed. Big property dude, and I doubt anyone would miss you. ::stab::
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Brown Skules? Sounz good t me! :tup:
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On 2006-06-27 06:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"oh boo hoo, I was abused, grow some skin. why can't you all admit that you weren't abused, you're just pissed off about losing 2-3 of the best years of your life? that's not abuse, that's just you getting a raw deal. "
Yeah! Just cause you imprisoned without trial or representation and tortured when you were a helpless child you are complaining?! Pansy! Take it like man and dont fight for your human rights!Accept your helplessness and resign yourself to your fate! Thats what heros' do!
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Hahahahaha TORTURED?!?!? You guys are the biggest fucking jokers. God you pussies make me SICK. Abused, tortured, imprisoned, SHUT THE FUCK UP!! If it was so bad why didn't you RUN AWAY!! Man, if all the people imprisoned around the world being tortured had NO WALLS holding them in and NUMEROUS LETHAL WEAPONS at their disposal, I'll bet they sure as fuck wouldn't have sat around "running their shit" in raps.
You didn't get tortured, you didn't get abused, you didn't get shit. You were a punk-ass, cocky little kid who thought he was just too fuckin' hot for the rules, and the inevitable happened. You got fucking dragged off to some cushy little "treatment center" where you fucking BELONGED. God, get the fuck over it, go out and do something with your life, quit blaming all these people in your past for the fact that you're still a fucked up little mess.
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On 2006-06-30 07:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hahahahaha TORTURED?!?!? You guys are the biggest fucking jokers. God you pussies make me SICK. Abused, tortured, imprisoned, SHUT THE FUCK UP!! If it was so bad why didn't you RUN AWAY!! Man, if all the people imprisoned around the world being tortured had NO WALLS holding them in and NUMEROUS LETHAL WEAPONS at their disposal, I'll bet they sure as fuck wouldn't have sat around "running their shit" in raps.
You didn't get tortured, you didn't get abused, you didn't get shit. You were a punk-ass, cocky little kid who thought he was just too fuckin' hot for the rules, and the inevitable happened. You got fucking dragged off to some cushy little "treatment center" where you fucking BELONGED. God, get the fuck over it, go out and do something with your life, quit blaming all these people in your past for the fact that you're still a fucked up little mess. "
Look everyone, Annie's back!
(Or perhaps this is Anne Hall's "perfect" son, who can't even jerk off in his own room because mommy's watching him on her webcam!)
Either way both of I want you to get a life!
It's time that you face up to it Anne: Cedu abused kids for over 30 years, that's why they were sued into the ground, and that's why they shut down.
Grow up already,and stop cyber-stalking people just because they don't agree with your idiotic and sadistic views! :wave:
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Uhhh yea, I don't know who the fuck Annie Hall is, but I guess she was on to something. You're a fucking queer, you little bitch, clearly you deserved to get raped in the ass while you were at CEDU, too bad it DIDN'T HAPPEN!! And what is all this bitching about rape and shit at CEDU anyways? Even if it DID happen, it's not like it DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERYWHERE ELSE. Why do you little cocksuckers think you had it so bad? Seriously, don't you fucking read? Have you turned on the news in the last, I don't know, 10 fucking years?? We all suffered through CEDU, just take it for what the fuck it's worth, and clean the fucking snot from your nose you pathetic little bitch. Quit crying about the abuse that wasn't happening. I was there for 2 1/2 years and I never saw someone get struck by staff ONCE nor heard of it happening. Yea ONE KID died at NWA or something because he was restrained too hard. Accidents fucking happen, what you're gonna tell me the staff murdered him? Grow the fuck up yourself man. You all are fucking sad. Pussies!! Someone should toss your ass in a military prison, let you get beaten within an inch of your life, let you feel someone's fuckin' cock up in your belly button every night. Let you feel some REAL ABUSE, SOME REAL TORTURE. Fuck, I'm surprised you didn't enjoy CEDU more than normal high school, since you always had someone fucking wiping your ass for you there.
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On 2006-06-29 12:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-27 06:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"oh boo hoo, I was abused, grow some skin. why can't you all admit that you weren't abused, you're just pissed off about losing 2-3 of the best years of your life? that's not abuse, that's just you getting a raw deal. "
Yeah! Just cause you imprisoned without trial or representation and tortured when you were a helpless child you are complaining?! Pansy! Take it like man and dont fight for your human rights!Accept your helplessness and resign yourself to your fate! Thats what heros' do!"
You said it yourself, you were a fucking helpless child. A little snot-nosed bitch. Someone should've just put you out of your misery.
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On 2006-06-30 16:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Uhhh yea, I don't know who the fuck Annie Hall is, but I guess she was on to something. You're a fucking queer, you little bitch, clearly you deserved to get raped in the ass while you were at CEDU, too bad it DIDN'T HAPPEN!! And what is all this bitching about rape and shit at CEDU anyways? Even if it DID happen, it's not like it DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERYWHERE ELSE. Why do you little cocksuckers think you had it so bad? Seriously, don't you fucking read? Have you turned on the news in the last, I don't know, 10 fucking years?? We all suffered through CEDU, just take it for what the fuck it's worth, and clean the fucking snot from your nose you pathetic little bitch. Quit crying about the abuse that wasn't happening. I was there for 2 1/2 years and I never saw someone get struck by staff ONCE nor heard of it happening. Yea ONE KID died at NWA or something because he was restrained too hard. Accidents fucking happen, what you're gonna tell me the staff murdered him? Grow the fuck up yourself man. You all are fucking sad. Pussies!! Someone should toss your ass in a military prison, let you get beaten within an inch of your life, let you feel someone's fuckin' cock up in your belly button every night. Let you feel some REAL ABUSE, SOME REAL TORTURE. Fuck, I'm surprised you didn't enjoy CEDU more than normal high school, since you always had someone fucking wiping your ass for you there. "
Ok, I don't know why the personna called "Annie Hall" is even in the mix here!! But since this is the case...
By way of intro, I'm the person the site regulars/ losers/clowns (that would be you Robert and SOS) occasionally call "Annie Hall".
I'm not,of course...but that won't keep these bumbling idiots from saying I am!
Also don't know who the quoted poster is: apparently someone who also thinks it's inexplicable that certain bimbos here have decided that "Annie Hall"'s got something to do his/her post.
Too, too funny.
I don't want to get hung up on words and terminology.
And maybe I personally wouldn't have put things exactly the way this particular poster did. But at the end of the day, you know, that poster is really on to something.
Kids who get sent to a TBS, emotional growth school, whatever you like to call it, have it pretty good,in terms of potential, considering the alternatives.
Which are often prison, boot camp/reform school, life in crime, even death on the street.
When I first found this site, I suppose I was naive. I thought that pointing out the successes of these schools was enough, that certain truths would carry the day. And on occasion I admit that I got caught up in the baiting and the fighting and all the pointless crap that can happen here, not proud of it, but that's the way it was at times.
And eventually,I came to realize that things were much more complex than the quibbling that was going on:for a spectrum of reasons, the regulars here have a vested interest in holding onto a very black and white vision of the evil boarding school and the poor misguided teenager.
No parent with a kid in trouble could believe in this simplistic dichotomy.
I've come to realize that meaningful discussion on a web board is a pretty unlikely thing. Very little invested in the whole process at this point.
All I have to say to any parents who stumble onto this site is this: consider the ways of being of those who oppose all restraint of adolescents who are self-destructive.
Realistically, consider what your child's future is going to be if you stay the current course.
And when you've done your research and weighed your options, then act. Because I'm here to tell you that things can get better, it happened with us and it can happen with you.
Realistic believing, and committment, and an unwillingness to accept the negative hole into which your child is sinking: that and a little courage and you can change the future.
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Well put. Unfortunately no one's going to listen to your words because it's easier for them to say "I was tortured and abused boo hoo" then to own up to the fact that they were just fucked up kids who were too dumb and dysfunctional to survive in a real high school.
It's also easier for them to just say that anyone who doesn't agree with their fucked up points is obviously Annie Hall. That way they don't have to admit that there are actually multiple people from completely different parts of the country, or world for that matter, that all agree.
Do I like Annie Hall? Fuck no, I think she's a naive, self-righteous nutcase. But where her and I (and perhaps the previous poster and many other anon posters on this site) are different is in the fact that Annie never went to CEDU and just assumed that whatever her fucking dumbshit son said about the program and what manure she was fed at workshops is gospel.
But I also think that the rest of you are weak spined little pussies that need to stop bitching. If you hated CEDU so much and think you got your life robbed from you and replaced with a life of torture, abuse, and PTSD, then try this one for size:
Let's just pretend for a second that you can go back to the day before you got sent away and just pause life. You're given a coin and told that you're going to get shipped off to CEDU tomorrow. You have a choice, you can get "imprisoned", or you can flip the coin. Heads, you get to keep your life and you won't get shipped off to CEDU. Tails, you switch lives with some random other teenager somewhere else in the world, and I mean anywhere in the world. That means you could instantly switch places with one of millions of impoverished teenagers living in some disease plagued village in Africa. Maybe you'd end up in a wheelchair, paralyzed from the neck down and being spoon fed applesauce by your family who is sick and tired of having to wipe your ass. Maybe you'd end up being sold into slavery, which you better fucking believe still exists in this world. Perhaps you'd end up working 16 hour shifts in a conflict diamond mine in Sierra Leone. Maybe you'd end up with type I diabetes, having to hook up to a machine twice a day at the hospital. Need I go on?
No way you'd take the coin. You'd say fine, send me to fucking CEDU. I'd rather sit in a cushy little school getting yelled at from time to time then go the rest of my life wondering what it's like to walk.
Quit being such snot-nosed bitches, grow up, and just be thankful you're a rich (thanks to your parents) little fucker living somewhere that you don't have to worry about a fucking bomb landing on your head when you walk to school. God damn, just stop fucking whining.
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On 2006-06-27 09:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wrong, it is abuse. When you make a "deal" as a consenting party sometimes you get a "raw deal". When your time is STOlEN from you, against your will that is ABUSE! Or maybe I'll just come to your house, take your video games and ipod and say "Oh boo hoo, you just got a raw deal" grow some skin. :flame: "
And by the way, you're an idiot. You just gave us a nice definition of a "bad deal". A raw deal is when you don't get shit and you don't get to say shit about it. So yeah, you got a raw deal, but in the end, you deserved it. And who the fuck cares anyways? It's over, and no one got fucking PTSD from CEDU. That's like saying you got PTSD because your football coach bitched you out.
If you did get PTSD from CEDU, well then all I have to say is that you're weak. And you should be weeded out, natural selection style.
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"And by the way, you're an idiot. You just gave us a nice definition of a "bad deal". A raw deal is when you don't get shit and you don't get to say shit about it. So yeah, you got a raw deal, but in the end, you deserved it. And who the fuck cares anyways? It's over, and no one got fucking PTSD from CEDU. That's like saying you got PTSD because your football coach bitched you out."
Wrong, my daughter is the one who suffered from PTSD as a direct result of being kidnapped and shipped off to CEDU. She hanged herself. I am sure you will say she was just a poor, week little pussy who got what she deserved. Oh but who the fuck cares anyway?
Bad deal, raw deal oh brother. Argue semantics to distract from the real issue. which is that everything you have posted proves the whole point: after 2 and a half years at CEDU you came out a callous, hard, crude, nasty, explosively angry little shithead of a twa. Or else you are a former "teacher" ( I used that word very loosely) angry at being outed and having the cash tit dry up. Let me guess who, oh hi Steve.
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Make that shithead of a "twat" My daughter was not the only one who committed suicide as a direct result of PTSD from CEDU either, several others who were there with her did the same. Oh but who the fuck cares? Just get over it, grow some skin, its only a loved ones fucking LIFE that is now over. My wish for you is that someday you are suffer the same loss so that maybe YOU will grow a heart and soul along with all that skin.
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I really appreciate all the comments from former "students" who have nothing but contempt for the whining little pussys complaining about PSTD...you make it so much easier to understand why parents get to a point where they can't stand their kids and ship them away. If you were my kid you'd be in the next kidnappers van on your way to Ida-ho'. :wave: Oh but its ok, you'd grow some skin and everything would be fine.
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If you were my parent, I'd be an orphan doing 20 to life. ::unhappy::
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Your right, it would be fine. I'd sit around making oatmeal cookies with a bunch of whiny fuckers that are gonna develop PTSD in a few years. And then I'd get my high school diploma, leave, and move on with my life. Oh wait, that's what I did.
Where the fuck did the PTSD come from? Getting yelled at? Not getting to drink caffeine till I earned the privilege? Being confined to a wide-open campus in the mountains with a basketball court, baseball diamond, soccer field, even a nice little stream I could sit by if I needed to get away from the bullshit? What, raps 3 times a week?!? Haha, raps, give me a break. I used to just nod and smile when they yelled at me in there. The forced labor? Man, I'm GLAD they had work assignments, I used to volunteer for those things instead of doing the stupid arts and crafts activities or horticulture or whatever the fuck was offered.
To borrow a line from Traffic, you guys are like those soldiers stranded on Japanese islands that don't know the fucking war is over. Even if CEDU used to be torture (and I'm sure it wasn't), you all got your wish and it was toned down severely. And now it doesn't even exist. Yet here you still are, whining and bitching about PTSD and your torture scars. Give me a fucking break.
We all have fucking problems, it's just part of life. Quit blaming them on some boarding school. The same depression and anxiety people feel after leaving CEDU is what people feel as a result of any normal high school. If you were fucked up before you went to CEDU, you're gonna be fucked up after you leave, so how the fuck are you gonna say "oh, it's CEDU's fault".
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On 2006-07-02 12:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If you were my parent, I'd be an orphan doing 20 to life. ::unhappy:: "
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I can see CEDU REALLY helped you with your anger issues dear. Yes I'd be dead and you would STILL be a stupid little twat. Since you LOVED your alma mater so much a nice cushy place like San Quentin would be just the ticket to grow a little more skin. :wave:
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My alma mater can eat a dick and so can you.
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Stop replying to the god damn troll. He has a point, though. Stop whining about CEDU. Unless you track everyone involved down and torture them to death, you'll never get the revenge you really want. Forget it. It's shut down, gone, destroyed. Move on to help get the kids out of the hellholes that still exist.
TARGET DESTROYED, NEXT TARGET.
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On 2006-07-03 08:29:00, Milk Gargling Death Penalty wrote:
"Stop replying to the god damn troll. He has a point, though. Stop whining about CEDU. Unless you track everyone involved down and torture them to death, you'll never get the revenge you really want. Forget it. It's shut down, gone, destroyed. Move on to help get the kids out of the hellholes that still exist.
TARGET DESTROYED, NEXT TARGET."
You make an excellent point here, Cedu is
dead, destroyed, and gone forever!
We won, Cedu is dead, and nothing the trolls
say or do will ever change that. I view these
people as sore losers more than anything else.
I also appreciate what you said about finding the next target. There are indeed more of these hellholes out there, some were founded by ex-cedu criminals like HLA and King George School for example. As the offspring of cedu, they too deserve our full attention.
I don't consider telling the truth about the abuse that occured at cedu to be whining. People need to hear about this, but since cedu is already dead, then Perhaps it would be better to share our experiences at HLA forum, or even start a new forum for King George School.
That way we have a better chance of reaching
the parents and kids who are being hurt
by these criminals.
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I firmly believe that the few idiots who do defend cedu here, and spew all of their hatred and hatred at it's victims, do so because they had a stake in that place, and now it's gone. IE: these idiots are former staff, investors, consultants, or crazy program parents who had dreams of starting their own mind fuck factories modelled after cedu (just like you know who).
Well cedu's program was a sham, and a complete failure, and everyone knows that now.
The trolls always speak in absolutes:
They know no abuse occurred at cedu.
They know no one got PTSD.
They know we all deserved to get sent there.
They know we blame cedu for our problems.
and so on...
The truth is that these idiots don't know shit, about you, me, or anything real for that matter. All these idiots really know is that in speaking out, cedu victims hurt their pocket books. This is why they're so resentful, and why they lash out the way they do.
The truth is, it's not the Cedu victims who need to me on, most of us have, and we've made successful lives for ourselves. Coming here to reflect on our past and to share our experiences with others is not whining, for many it's a way of coping, and trying to make sense of a difficult time in our lives. This in fact is helping people to "get over it" and "move on."
It's the die-hard ex-staff (like these troll idiots) who can't move on. You see, most of them never learned any real skills, all they know how to do is scream and bully kids around.
They figured on having cushy life-time careers at cedu, and now that it's over, they're bitter. They have no have no real skills, no attractive job prospects, no futures, and they shouldn't either, because they're not worth a shit. It's no wonder why the trolls are so bitter, and why they lash out at cedu victims the way they do. The Trolls blame us for the failure of their beloved program, and for the complete failure their lives have become. I guess everyone needs a scape goat.
It is best to ignore the trolls,they are brainwashed idiots after all, but if you can't, then at least try to remember this:
We got the last laugh on these fuckers, because Cedu is dead, and so are their futures (cedu staff). Wish them well in their future
career(s) of minimum wage,and all of the misery that goes with it...They're getting exactly what they deserve. 'Nuff Said!
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Very, very well put. I thank you.
:nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
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On 2006-07-05 14:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I firmly believe that the few idiots who do defend cedu here, and spew all of their hatred and hatred at it's victims, do so because they had a stake in that place, and now it's gone. IE: these idiots are former staff, investors, consultants, or crazy program parents who had dreams of starting their own mind fuck factories modelled after cedu (just like you know who).
Sounds just like Maggie. Especially being that she was "shill posting" on struggling teens, then here on fornits claiming "no abuse whatsoever" until someone called her out on it and even got her to admit to abuse (Boogie and the manner in which she was asked to leave RMA in the end).
And lo and behold she is starting her own program now.
Then there are the Almaras brothers? Herman & Tony? They say the same thing and also have worked for the programs and may possibly still be involved from what I have heard.
There may be others.
It would be interesting to see a list of former students that work with the industry now either directly or indirectly.
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I don't agree with the program at all, I just think that all of you are fucking pussies for thinking it was TORTURE.
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On 2006-07-06 09:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't agree with the program at all, I just think that all of you are fucking pussies for thinking it was TORTURE. "
I never said Cedu was torture, I said they were Abusive.
Now go play, run along now, shoo.... :wave:
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Then obviously I wasn't talking to you, fag, I was talking to the dumbass who called it torture.
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On 2006-07-06 13:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Then obviously I wasn't talking to you, fag, I was talking to the dumbass who called it torture. "
Why do you push everyone away?
Tell me honestly, is this really you?
What is the truth about you? What about the innocent child inside of you, how does he feel about all this? Why are you so afraid to let him out? Who made it not ok for you to be the
real you?
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I love you, come smush with me. ::kiss::
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because I'm sure the troll idiots wouldn't appreciate the rest of us making fun of one of the core aspects of the Cedu programs:
ROLE PLAYING HOMOSEXUALITY
beacuse "Emotional Growth Education" just wouldn't be the same
without it!
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you're a fag
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you're a fag
Now, how do you know that? Oh, wait I know, you can
smell your kind! Well when your done sniffing my asshole,
do yourself a favor and wash the shit off your nose before going
back out in public.
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That was a good one :roll:
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I might like you better if we'd smushed together....
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On 2006-07-05 14:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I firmly believe that the few idiots who do defend cedu here, and spew all of their hatred and hatred at it's victims, do so because they had a stake in that place, and now it's gone. IE: these idiots are former staff, investors, consultants, or crazy program parents who had dreams of starting their own mind fuck factories modelled after cedu (just like you know who).
Sounds just like Maggie. Especially being that she was "shill posting" on struggling teens, then here on fornits claiming "no abuse whatsoever" until someone called her out on it and even got her to admit to abuse (Boogie and the manner in which she was asked to leave RMA in the end).
And lo and behold she is starting her own program now.
Then there are the Almaras brothers? Herman & Tony? They say the same thing and also have worked for the programs and may possibly still be involved from what I have heard.
There may be others.
It would be interesting to see a list of former students that work with the industry now either directly or indirectly.
Too funny. You obviously do not talk to Maggie, Tony or Herman. Maggie and Herman do not work in the industry nor do they have their own programs. Herman and Tony are not brothers, but distant cousins that met once or twice when they were kids. Tony did work at RMA for some time, but Herman has NEVER worked in the industry. There are a few former students and staff that HAVE started their own programs: the Merritt brothers with Grant Price (Carlbrook), Adam Ranier (Shortridge), Pat Stambuski -McKenna (Monarch), Jackie Guber (New Horizons). I am sure there are more... but, certainly Maggie and Herman are not on this list!
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On 2006-07-05 14:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I firmly believe that the few idiots who do defend cedu here, and spew all of their hatred and hatred at it's victims, do so because they had a stake in that place, and now it's gone. IE: these idiots are former staff, investors, consultants, or crazy program parents who had dreams of starting their own mind fuck factories modelled after cedu (just like you know who).
Sounds just like Maggie. Especially being that she was "shill posting" on struggling teens, then here on fornits claiming "no abuse whatsoever" until someone called her out on it and even got her to admit to abuse (Boogie and the manner in which she was asked to leave RMA in the end).
And lo and behold she is starting her own program now.
Then there are the Almaras brothers? Herman & Tony? They say the same thing and also have worked for the programs and may possibly still be involved from what I have heard.
There may be others.
It would be interesting to see a list of former students that work with the industry now either directly or indirectly.
Too funny. You obviously do not talk to Maggie, Tony or Herman. Maggie and Herman do not work in the industry nor do they have their own programs. Herman and Tony are not brothers, but distant cousins that met once or twice when they were kids. Tony did work at RMA for some time, but Herman has NEVER worked in the industry. There are a few former students and staff that HAVE started their own programs: the Merritt brothers with Grant Price (Carlbrook), Adam Ranier (Shortridge), Pat Stambuski -McKenna (Monarch), Jackie Guber (New Horizons). I am sure there are more... but, certainly Maggie and Herman are not on this list!
Everyone you just mentioned is a piece of shit, whether they owned a program or not.
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Make that shithead of a "twat" My daughter was not the only one who committed suicide as a direct result of PTSD from CEDU either, several others who were there with her did the same. Oh but who the fuck cares? Just get over it, grow some skin, its only a loved ones fucking LIFE that is now over. My wish for you is that someday you are suffer the same loss so that maybe YOU will grow a heart and soul along with all that skin.
my darling one commited suicide too after coming out of Cedu. We do not exist anymore, either of us.
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Stop replying to the god damn troll. He has a point, though. Stop whining about CEDU. Unless you track everyone involved down and torture them to death, you'll never get the revenge you really want. Forget it. It's shut down, gone, destroyed. Move on to help get the kids out of the hellholes that still exist.
TARGET DESTROYED, NEXT TARGET.
My sister was murdered there. Please do not tell me to stop "whining". She is not irrelevent. The ones who kidnapped her, tortured her, broke her, need to not just out of a job but in jail Even then speaking of what they did to her is not whining. Her tiny little soul snuffed out is not spilled milk, not a broken relationship, NOT a worthless trifle over which one "whines". She was murdered. To not speak of her , to disapear her suffering, is to murder her twice
The children who speak are fighters -nothing less, for themselves and for the ones forever silenced
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Stop replying to the god damn troll. He has a point, though. Stop whining about CEDU. Unless you track everyone involved down and torture them to death, you'll never get the revenge you really want. Forget it. It's shut down, gone, destroyed. Move on to help get the kids out of the hellholes that still exist.
TARGET DESTROYED, NEXT TARGET.
My sister was murdered there. Please do not tell me to stop "whining". She is not irrelevent. The ones who kidnapped her, tortured her, broke her, need to not just out of a job but in jail Even then speaking of what they did to her is not whining. Her tiny little soul snuffed out is not spilled milk, not a broken relationship, NOT a worthless trifle over which one "whines". She was murdered. To not speak of her , to disapear her suffering, is to murder her twice
The children who speak are fighters -nothing less, for themselves and for the ones forever silenced
You make some excellent points. Personnally, I believe that the people who accuse us of whining, do so because they support cedu's bullshit program, and they wish to discourage those of us who criticize it. I don't know why these people feel so threatened by our discussing Cedu, but it's obvious that they do feel threatened, because they wouldn't try so hard to silence us if they didn't.
Your sister is not irrelevent, and you have every right to seek justice for her, and punishment for those who killed her. Never give up the fight, because yours is battle truly worth fighting. My heart is with you. May god bless you and aid you in your quest.