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Our laws against sexual harassment are rahter relaxed compared to yours over in the States.

Here is a video from Germany, which show why: Hans Blomberg Gropes Susanka Bersin on Live German TV

She makes a fool of him, which is a good lesson for him. None were fired or charged but he learned his place.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Respect Camp--Secret WWASP torture gulag
« on: February 14, 2009, 09:30:56 AM »
Will be there next time the wiki's syncronize.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / JYA: Expansion when other are downsizing
« on: February 14, 2009, 09:18:40 AM »
Julian Youth Academy is starting a program for boys.

What is odd is that it is located in California where they should have laws protecting youths from such isolation.

How is this program able to fly under the radar?

It is even debated in LA TImes

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Respect Camp--Secret WWASP torture gulag
« on: February 14, 2009, 05:59:06 AM »
We have made an update to the wiki page.

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It seems that the Pullans are in business again.

Check out Star Peak Crossing, which should be located on 842 Blue Slide Rd in Thompson Fall.

Antiwwasp has additional information about this program in a thread about Spring Creeks closure.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: help with aspen's beginning
« on: February 10, 2009, 12:57:37 AM »
The first program, we have found was Mount Bachelor Academy. The shared marketingssites with the CEDU-schools and was founded around 1987. The early staff was most former CEDU-employees, but less cult like and more focused on making $. They worked a lot more with ED-cons and I have found court cases where the ed-con is suggested to be employed by MtBA by the school district.

When they found that they had a greater demand for wilderness places where they could put troublesome detainees, they created Aspen Achievement Academy a couple of years later.

But unlike some of the other schools, they soon realized that they could earn more money by having a lot of different programs rather than running all programs in the same way as WWASP and CEDU.

So they abandoned their original strategy at Swift River and kicked Rudy out. Still not a good program, but away with psyco-drama (LGAT) and some of the wilderness intro, which are costly if you look at the man-power needed. The rest of the programs they purchased until they had it all. Maybe Aspen Ranch is one they founded themselves. I have not been able to research how it was found and by who.

I think that they discovered that some of the programs they purchased were run by amateurs and they tried to kick the most abusive staff out, but some programs they could not save because the entire program was infected by abuse the whole way like like Excel Academy.

If a program should enter Denmark at some point, I would fear Aspen and UHSINC way more than WWASP, because they are money people, can stand to loose teens and get away with it (There have been several deaths in their programs) and know how to use the media without looking as slave owners.

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If the cancer treats Kay well, your son will attending another funeral of his old "friend" in due time. I dont know with Mrs. Gordon. Maybe she will try to work wth the Heart Academy, when they take over the Hotel once all the funiture has been sold.

I agree that that parents can learn something from the seminars, but they should keep focus on the progress on their kid and order some real therapy just to cure whatever sideeffect the program has. Otherwise the progress they make overshadows the destiny of their child as WWASP themselves write in their marketing material.

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We attended Focus and I learned to dance.

What a find progress compared with:

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Five hours later, David died in the trauma center at the Medical College of Virginia without ever regaining consciousness. He breathed his last breath while I watched.

Try to find some real therapy for your son. Maybe the anger he has managed to hide within himself, so you dont cut him off in your will, can be healed.

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Open Free for All / Re: You are doing fine.
« on: February 06, 2009, 12:44:37 AM »
Everybody can be tracked. How do you think the police works?

But of course not by this board. Employees working for the ISP's working for the good site at those ISP's a specific board uses can do the job. All of the larger routers can be configured to log a specific client.

In order to make something out of the log file, it demands that you create a user-account or just use a guest-account. Then you post one single post. You know your own IP-address and you can read the timestamp from the log for the traffic between the board's IP-address and your computer. Once you learn the pattern a post create on a board, you can trace IP-numbers of various posters. The pattern is rather important because viewers create traffic also, but they do it in another way.

The BM-industry could of course pay an employee at Fornits ISP for doing the same job and thats why all volunteers post through the same terminal server in Denmark. You can only trace one, maybe two IP-numbers from our posters. Another trick is to access the board through one of the Ano-surf websites, but can you be sure that they don't keep your passwords etc for marketing purposes?

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Elan School / Re: time to close the doors of elan
« on: February 05, 2009, 07:35:53 AM »
An update of our datasheet could also be needed.

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Unfortunately not a special case. Cross Creek like other facilities are a good weapon to use in a nasty custody battle. I guess that most of the detainees are victim of such battles in some degreee.

I found a couple of more links:

EMPOWERED PLAY DAUGHTER SUES HER RICH FATHER FOR COLLEGE TUITION (Daily News)

Schottenstein v. Schottenstein (IN THE COURT OF APPEALS OF OHIO)

Case of Steven Schottenstien - Domestic Violence (The awareness Center)

TEEN'S SUIT: RICH MAN A POOR DAD (Daily News)

A remember I saw an article where a Danish model victim of xenophobia contacted her father. He wrote back: "I don't want contact with you. You are like a new car you have to pay for without being able to ride it".

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Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "firstresponder"
i was in op when it happened. all i can say is this. if it was an accident than why land on your head? plus you never pick somebody up and lay them in the back seat of a car with out neck support. especially with a fall greater than 5 feet. dont pick her up and throw her in a freaking car. than key bitched about the blood on his car seats.

key is a murderer. Why don't Valerie's parents advocate on her behalf? WHy don't the try to spur an investigation? Are they typical "program parents" --uncaring, mentally incompetant brutes?
No, they are not program parents. As one our other volunteers have learned from a source close to them, they regret that they believed the information material. That is was a rehab, who could take care of a girl who had been in close encounters with death previous.

They are too broken to be a part of our effort to shout at the authorities until they start a new investigation and charge the staff with obstruction of justice.

Remember that there was no wiki, no fornits, no guardian article etc. back then where they could have received independent information about what is going on inside programs. They were taken like we are saying it in Denmark being taken by the program - got their pants drawn down and ***** at that part of your body which are highest when you pick strawberries. (Sorry I cannot translate it better).

They were victim of a scam, but I don't know if they even want to know of how big a scam, they were victim off.

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But it is hear-say. Would it not be easier to inform the authorities in Jamaica of the identity of the female staff member LW (a girl) took the paper to and who gave the paper to Kay? We know that Kay personally destroyed it, but it was going through two hands: LW and a female staff member.

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News Items / The industry opened their wallet - HR 6358 went down
« on: February 01, 2009, 04:08:09 PM »
http://http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-6358

What became of Obama's new rules about lobbyists?

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We have a datasheet about this firm. I believe that Caroline Wolf from CEDU worked there years back.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Smart move from a 15 year old
« on: January 30, 2009, 05:08:37 PM »
It started at a board meeting some time ago. We have realized that in order to prevent future deaths and hit the industry hard when it is suffering due to the economy and the GAO hearing, we need to give alternative advice to the parents.

Like the positive peer model works parents listen to parents. Take a cult like MADD. It was started by a woman with a good cause, but it was taken over by fundamentalists who used the moms who have suffered a loss. What kind of parents would not listen to another parent who have suffered the biggest loss any parent can?

So our voluteers working inside the hosting firms monitors the trafic from/to Denmark and the parents  bulletin boards. When a profile is created we create a "false" parent profile also. We feed this Dane with our information which they believe because they are generally well informed and are able to look at this abroad from a critical viewpoint. Sometime they post it. If/when they do our false profile confirms it half which makes it more trustworthy. Remember these boards are not Fornits. They have not been manipulated like the victims of programs. They are desperate, afraid and of the edge of a breakdown. We only need to plant a little doubt before they demand special treatment for their child. Unfortunately we can pick from a list with +100 casulties and suicides after leaving the program, so it is rather easy.

The incident which got the wrong Rotsne thrown of the board was that a new director with a CEDU background became new manager at Northwest or Milestones. Milestones is a real CEDU-spinoff and I guess that their seminars are very much like CEDU's, but the difference is that the kids are attending a  normal public highschool.

It became very clear for our employer what this poor mother was up against. They were trying to teach her the 4 claimed manipulation strategies a child in a program can use by labeling the mother and her child as "co-dependent". It is a scam to pull this boy further into the program.

It seems that the program are watching this board and reported Rotsne's name back to the mother, who told the moderators of the board of a claimed mule. The innocent Rotsne got kicked off and our mule was fast to comfort the mother. Our next task is to plant a new fall-guy.

While we are waiting we are gathering information about a RTC near Allenstown, PA and another near Philly, PA. It seems that at least one of them have a security issue about placing people with different issues near each other which cause an increased risk of injury or death like the resent thread about Summit School. There is not reason for yet another kid returning home in a coffin. It doesn't matter how hard a person is punished for a murder. A family will still miss a loved one.

Of course we are sorry that the innocent Rotsne got thrown off the board and he is entitled to be angry as he explained on his blog (Yes, we tracked this down too). But really - he had not business to seek advice abroad in the first place. Some of our members are working for center-validering too trying to prevent cultural poluting and find this global seek for solutions disturbing when we have a more than 1,000 year old culture, which have developed answers to everything possible. Second this war have calsulties and as I see it is a small price to pay having a stranger kicked off a board compared to a boy coming home in a coffin. Nereksuf will comfort him and try to help him with his "gift from God" aka problem children.

I hope that it clarifys our reasons for doing so.

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