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In Denmark we have the socalled Danish Christmas Seal Houses, which in the past was homes for those who came for poor homes where there was lack of food.

Today they treat overweight. A stay is 10 weeks and while there is no LGAT or therapists, they try to help kids by placing them in an environment where building up self-esteem is everything.

But does it help? Yes on one condition. The family back home has to learn to live healthy. When the child returns home they cannot live like they used to. All in the family have to eat healthier - not only the child who was sent away. They learn this by visiting the child in the weekend and in some towns family counselors continue the work with the family once they return, because - and this is important - no fat camp or school can make a long-term change if the family rather than the child is ready to change.

Every child looks at his or her parents and do what they do - not what they say.

Second, no result can be generated with humiliation, shame, punishment or bullying.

When programs like Wellspring Academies or camps use isolation on a child who refuse to work the program, the parents should pull the child at once and choose a family program instead.

I noticed that AEG is on a slow learning process there. Their new Wellspring Fit Clubs is a step on the way, but it is not perfect because what they really should do would be to include a partnership with a local restaurant where the families should go down and receive education in cooking a healthy meal once or twice per week. Including kids in the cooking phase is important because once they leave the home they will be on the fast track down to the burger-joint if they don't know otherwise.

Damn, now I told them how to make money the right way.

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Facility Question and Answers / Re: Roloffs
« on: May 08, 2009, 02:51:41 PM »
The present Anchor home is located in Missouri. It moved there from Montana when they were in the process of making tougher regulation. The regulation became a joke, but they didn't know at the time, so they moved into no-regulation land aka Missouri. Call the school fate-based and none care if kids are paddled or Osama himself teach how to wear fashion bomb belts.

Our datasheet for the present home looks like this.

The historical home was located in Texas but they left during the Christian Alamo. Here is our datasheet for that home (Nothing much).

From what you write your stories tell the important message of how dangerous it can be to create a group home or boarding school with the best intentions. How matter how great the place can  be and properly save children from abusive parents etc. it can be destroyed in seconds by just one staff. That's why future efforts to help kids must be done in the community. There are plenty of kids in needs - unfortunately, but we really need to focus on the factors that create problems rather than pulling kids out of the community whenever they end up in a situation caused by the community ifself. It is both cheaper and safer for all involved.

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Facility Question and Answers / Re: Roloffs
« on: May 05, 2009, 03:36:16 AM »
Dear [email protected]

In fact you confirmed the abuse.

First corporal punishment. It doesn't work. It teaches violence.

Second the handcuffs. The only facility that should be allowed to use handcuffs is prisons for juvies. They dont belong in a TBS, RTC or a group home.

Third censorship of letters. If parents have decided to place their child out of home, they should at least be able to handle whatever text their child can write. Also in most states laws forbid to restrict communication between parent and child. In Kansas Meadowlark Academy got a warning for doing that.

If the kids were placed at the facility by the court system, then of course the police should be called if they tries to leave, but that was often not the case and if parents wants to place their child outside home, they should involve the social services. Often a problem child represent the result of some domestic problems back home. Problems which could be solved at home with the right kind of help.

Here in Denmark we have a phoneline where kids can call in and report problems at home. It is often 7 to 10 years old complaining about heavily drinking by their own parents. If such problems remain unadressed then you get so-called troubled teenagers. Sweden is a country in the process of outlawing bullying in school. If a child has been bullied this family can sue the school if they have not taken action. Bullying causes illness. Research shows that.

I dont know how things were at home and what kind of actions which lead you to the Anchor Home. All I know is that we have discovered that fosterhomes and out-of-the-city placements are too expensive and produce too poor results compared with building a boarding school next to a public school, where kids who needs structure can live while going to school where they did go before, so they don't loose contact with their peers and the community can show each child that if you break the law, you end up in the boarding section. Has anyone calculated on the cost of having kids in juvies, TBS's, wilderness etc? They did it in Pahrump - Nevada.

Anchor Home was a place where abuse did go on. No question about that. That's why the state of Texas went after them.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Closed Programs
« on: May 04, 2009, 02:50:49 PM »
When they open under a new name, we make a new page on the new name and make an reference to the new name on the old page.

Take Bethel Boys Academy aka Gulf Coast Academy.

We are talking of the same facility but with different owners. You can find marketing material on the net for all those 5-6 names they have been operating under during their lifespand.

So in order to describe each period as thorough as possible, several pages covers the same facility.

New names are not always just new names. Sometime it is also a new programming strategy. Bethel started out as a Roloff program and now (if they still are open) they are a WWASP program. It was a bad place for a teenager regardless who is the boss, but there is a difference between extreme corporal punishment and a stay in O.P. for weeks.

Kids helping Kids is not pathway either. They are both Straight Spin-offs, but while Kids-helping-kids seemed to marketing fools and a pure cult, Pathway is a slick marketing machine for money only. Neither cares for their clients but I find people in suits so much more dangerous than people doing it because they are brainwashed to the job.

BTW. If you are dissatisfied with our research effort, please help us by placeing the text and links on the talk page of the program you want us to write something about if you dont know the Wiki syntax. Then we will improve the articles as fast as possible. We are not that many people and the database has +600 pages.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Closed Programs
« on: May 04, 2009, 12:18:08 AM »
Yes, their graphics is way better than on our page on the wiki

I am happy to annouce that the number will grow from the 76 entries next time the servers sync.

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What become of their plans of building a second school in South Carolina (Abney Road, Monetta)?

Paulu have been through Google archive and the news flow stop April 2000 with this article: Planners approve school proposal, By Chasiti Kirkland, The Augusta Cronicle, April 22 2000

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: What is the long term strategy?
« on: May 01, 2009, 04:24:48 PM »
With permission - Spft's strategy:

1) Improve the wiki's, chart deaths and suicides. (On-going work)
2) Blog war (Started)
3) Tie connections with politicians around in various countries. (Started)

Our goal is also legislation but we acknowledge that money is involved and small steps are made.

In Denmark we started with none regulation, proceeded with poor regulation and while we are far from the goal the situation is better.

We are so lucky that scandals sells newspapers and parents are very protective of their youth. Lately even the police actions done in relationship with the demolition of Ungdomshuset have been critized by the courts. Not even our court system can resist pressure from media and parents.

Our largest TV-station went after drug treatment in Denmark based on the treatment strategy by Hazelden Foundation. In Denmark it is the tax-payers money who goes to treatment of alcohol and drugs. Almost in every case people can get treatment for free. So treatment has to work and it is the claim of the TV-station and government experts that 12 step treatment can cause more harm than good. It is not worth the price.

We must not forget that while Fornits contains very useful info, the work to stop the industry has to done outside Fornits. I urge survivors to tell their story in a blog. Name the program, write your story with the level maturity you have today but fell free to hide your identity if your life today have been rebuilt with your past on a need-to-know basis only. Put a link into the blog to either the Wiki-database or the future TTI database.

It doesn't matter if we are talking Roloff programs of the 70's or a program you left days ago. Some may know of a book coming up called "Google bomb". Lets bury made up success stories in stories about how it really was.

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Caica could use more time on their references. We at Spft are not involved in the dispute over that organization. They are free to use our references on their pages, so they appear more professional.

We  make pride out of finding old records.

Could someone consult their local library and find out what program these kids was in?
Parents Sue Over 3 Deaths in Wilderness Program; Death of 14-Year-Old Boy, By WAYNE KING - Special to The New York Times, November 15, 1979

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Let's talk about the weather... / Are we Danes odd?
« on: May 01, 2009, 03:57:35 AM »
I can see from the comments page that everyday policework in Denmark seems to surprise people:

Police Stop Bicyclists To Give Them Hugs And Helmets (VIDEO), Huffington Post

Are we odd?

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This list is unfortunately not complete!

Our victim list have several sources:

Beside newspapers those two links gives a lot of names:
In Loving memory off
In memory, Suncana Alvarado

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By educating the parents so they act as junior staff.

U-turn in Copenhagen uses this approach. It's cheap. They can treat 50 times the number of client with this approach compared to in-patient treatment.

It is a public program and it makes it safer than private programs because tax-payers wants result. It is a free program.

Please notice that their goal is to either reduce OR stop the drug use. There are two success criterias.

In fact an article explain that youth often turns to the program voluntary because they want to reduce their drug use but ends up quitting because they find the control over their own life positive.

Junior staff is often the weakest link in a program. They have no real insight and are often taking it to keep staff of their back and work the program. By having the parents as junior staff you get really motivated people and parents find that the fact that they suddenly should listen as staff would do makes them understand the person, they believed they knew, way better.

It is the safest program I have seen.

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Ivy Ridge, home sold for $2.8m, Watertown Daily News

The high school diploma case was too much for them. It seems that the future for this branch of WWASP is Oceanside.
From the article:

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The Ivy Ridge property is assessed at $1.9 million and the Route 37 home is assessed at $175,000. School officials didn't return calls for comment.

The former Mater Dei College campus in the town of Oswegatchie was sold to Robert Browning Lichfield Family Limited, Toquerville, Utah, in August 2001 for $1.23 million. The Academy at Ivy Ridge, a school for troubled youths, opened a few months later.

The behavioral modification school has been under scrutiny by the state for several years. Then-Attorney General Eliot L. Spitzer determined the school was making fraudulent claims that it was accredited and could issue high school diplomas. As a result of that investigation, Ivy Ridge agreed to pay nearly $1.5 million in refunds and fines.

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I have an idea. What if we documented every exercise in all those LGAT we have participated in.

Here in Denmark, I recognize some from various firm events where they were done with laughs and with a lot of beers. Less traumatic if you ask me. Perhaps something could be learned, but most of the message got lost when the food got on the table.

Together with some advices how to make short cuts and hints (like it is allowed to vote for yourself) it could ease the torment for generations to come.

The awareness page has some of the exercises on their page spoiling the plot.

The wiki could use a single article about every seminar until another solution are available.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« on: April 27, 2009, 05:13:37 AM »
Spanking with or without clothes is a crime in Denmark and can be punished with up to one month in jail unless other things turn up during the investigation. Then it can get worse.

Just last week a couple of parents got a year in jail for having their daughter doing chores outside without proper clothing and locking her up in a dog cage as they do in programs.

If I had been the mother and a peer court was a possibility I would have chosen for him to take his punishment so he could learn his lesson without getting a record. It may sound harsh with community service and a letter of apology to the store owner, but it will send a good signal. When time served, I would ask to some of the allowence in return for purchase of skin-photos on the net, if that is what the son need.

Corporal punishment teach only use of violence and I think that we have enough of it in the world already.

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