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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Aspen Education Group => Topic started by: Oscar on March 19, 2009, 01:46:53 AM
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REID'S GONE!!, a group on Myspace (http://http://groups.myspace.com/reidsamissednigga)
We need to get Reid back to Michigan, like, right fuckin' now a group on facebook (http://http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7287768697)
I hope that youth in the future would start to care when one of their classmates suddenly disappear from their class. It is good to see that people are becoming less self-centered.
What if your former classmates had done the same?
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that's really cool. only the reid ones are really old.
yeah, nobody did shit for me. no, they tried, my STUPID fucking parents wouldn't listen. they should have tried harder. they should have chipped in and gotten me a lawyer. they should have been there every single day, ready to pick me up when i ran. they should have gotten me a social worker. they should have gotten together a coalition of all my teachers from school to talk to my parents. people KNEW about the program i was in WAY. BACK. WHEN. my friends should have picketed, gotten me a lawyer, gotten me any kind of help other than the NOT MUCH they did. SORRY FRIENDS. but my friends already knew how shitty my parents were. my friends let me rot in the program. good going, "friends!"
and that is why i hate people and trust no one. NO ONE will go out of their way for you.
not even oscar. but thanks so much for caring all the way from denmark, i guess.
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yeah, nobody did shit for me. no, they tried, my STUPID fucking parents wouldn't listen. they should have tried harder. they should have chipped in and gotten me a lawyer.
Oh they should have tried harder and spent money on you. Chipped in their own money to get you a lawyer.
they should have been there every single day, ready to pick me up when i ran.
They should have ALL ran away from home and waited out front all day and night, everyday in case you ran away.
they should have gotten me a social worker. they should have gotten together a coalition of all my teachers from school to talk to my parents. people KNEW about the program i was in WAY. BACK. WHEN. my friends should have picketed, gotten me a lawyer, gotten me any kind of help other than the NOT MUCH they did.
Oh poor you. You fucked up your life to the point that your parents had to interviene and place you in a program. You expect respect from your parents when you treat them like shit. You probably treated your friends the same way. Grow a sack and grow up.
SORRY FRIENDS. but my friends already knew how shitty my parents were. my friends let me rot in the program. good going, "friends!"
Maybe they were pissed at you for throwing your life away. If you cant even respect yourself enough to stay in school, get a job, why should they bail you out? Why should they have respect for you. Its not cool getting sent away or going to jail, its stupid.
and that is why i hate people and trust no one. NO ONE will go out of their way for you.
not even oscar. but thanks so much for caring all the way from denmark, i guess.
Here is a hint, they probably didn’t like you very much in the first place. They didn’t do anything wrong, you did and if they felt you didn’t deserve where you were sent or didn’t need it and you treated them like true friends should, they would have done all of the above to help to get you out. You would be surprised what friends can do for each other. If they were not your friends then that is why.
Start being nice to people and dont expect anything in return, you will be surpised at what comes back to you.
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I just don't understand how people can write such things about a person and a situation they know nothing about. I guess it should not surprise me at all that I am having flashbacks to the program I was in. Anyone else? I mean, is that post above supposed to be funny? Is it supposed to be funny to give people program flashbacks?
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I just don't understand how people can write such things about a person and a situation they know nothing about. I guess it should not surprise me at all that I am having flashbacks to the program I was in. Anyone else? I mean, is that post above supposed to be funny? Is it supposed to be funny to give people program flashbacks?
Don't pay any attention to asshole-"Oh they should have tried harder"-Guest ... it's just some bitter Troll posting his neuroses onto everyone else. Maybe his kid didn't turn out so well, so he hates us all. Bitter fucked-up Troll, poor bitter fucked-up Troll.
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yeah man,
Sorry no one was able to help get you out and as I've said many, many times before, no one deserves to be treated in the unhumane way programs treat kids.
That said, please know how powerless others can be to intervene on behalf of a child. I speak from experience. Every avenue we pursued to get our neice out of a program dead-ended when we realized she would be punished by the program if our efforts became known to the parents or the program. Parents have almost unlimited power under the law to make decisions about the education and care of their children.
We must all keep trying, but it's really difficult to rescue a child. And while it would have been great if your friends had done more to help, they were, nevertheless, children--and you know all too well how little power kids have in this world. This is a system of abuse that is wholly the responsibility of adults, adults who should know better (though programs routinely deceive parents), adults who should protect children, not hurt them, and adults who must be held accountable.
Those of us back home are told nothing of the truth about programs. Your friends did try to act on your behalf... I would guess they were more supportive than you realize, but virtually powerless. Programs have a sinister history of getting families to identify additional children among the friends and family members who can also be recruited to the program. Your friends and siblings (if any) were at risk of suffering the abuse that you suffered, though they would not have known that.
I'm sorry "guest" said such hurtful things to you. Your outrage is completely understandable and the abuse you suffered is not your fault.
Auntie Em
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I just don't understand how people can write such things about a person and a situation they know nothing about. I guess it should not surprise me at all that I am having flashbacks to the program I was in. Anyone else? I mean, is that post above supposed to be funny? Is it supposed to be funny to give people program flashbacks?
Dont be too upset it wasnt just directed just at you. There was a post awhile back where a parent was criticized the same way as you were only for sending their kid away. The poster knew nothing about this parent but still beat up on them like they were dirt, accusing the parent of just sending the kid away for no reason when the poster didn’t know what the home life was like or circumstances for the kid being placed in a program.
People can just be mean spirited in general and take their anger out on anyone who happens to be around. The parent never deserved the critisizem just like you dont because we dont know the details.
Hang in there.
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Dont be too upset it wasnt just directed just at you. There was a post awhile back where a parent was criticized the same way as you were only for sending their kid away. The poster knew nothing about this parent but still beat up on them like they were dirt, accusing the parent of just sending the kid away for no reason when the poster didn’t know what the home life was like or circumstances for the kid being placed in a program.
People can just be mean spirited in general and take their anger out on anyone who happens to be around. The parent never deserved the critisizem just like you dont because we dont know the details.
Hang in there.
^^^^ First he dishes out the dirt and insults, and then he explains it away with some pro-parent sob-story. So schizophrenic, and so familiar.
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I just don't understand how people can write such things about a person and a situation they know nothing about. I guess it should not surprise me at all that I am having flashbacks to the program I was in. Anyone else? I mean, is that post above supposed to be funny? Is it supposed to be funny to give people program flashbacks?
Don't pay any attention to asshole-"Oh they should have tried harder"-Guest ... it's just some bitter Troll posting his neuroses onto everyone else. Maybe his kid didn't turn out so well, so he hates us all. Bitter fucked-up Troll, poor bitter fucked-up Troll.
Look, dont post just pretending to be nice and then slame the guy, we aRE CATCHING ON TO YOU, ASSHOLE.
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I just don't understand how people can write such things about a person and a situation they know nothing about. I guess it should not surprise me at all that I am having flashbacks to the program I was in. Anyone else? I mean, is that post above supposed to be funny? Is it supposed to be funny to give people program flashbacks?
Just ignore the evil child torturer, my comrade. Just a sad troll sad he cant toruture a kid in person so resorts to doing in over the internet.
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Dont be too upset it wasnt just directed just at you. There was a post awhile back where a parent was criticized the same way as you were only for sending their kid away. The poster knew nothing about this parent but still beat up on them like they were dirt, accusing the parent of just sending the kid away for no reason when the poster didn’t know what the home life was like or circumstances for the kid being placed in a program.
People can just be mean spirited in general and take their anger out on anyone who happens to be around. The parent never deserved the critisizem just like you dont because we dont know the details.
Hang in there.
^^^^ First he dishes out the dirt and insults, and then he explains it away with some pro-parent sob-story. So schizophrenic, and so familiar.
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LOL that delightful child molester! thewho
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yeah man,
Sorry no one was able to help get you out and as I've said many, many times before, no one deserves to be treated in the unhumane way programs treat kids.
That said, please know how powerless others can be to intervene on behalf of a child. I speak from experience. Every avenue we pursued to get our neice out of a program dead-ended when we realized she would be punished by the program if our efforts became known to the parents or the program. Parents have almost unlimited power under the law to make decisions about the education and care of their children.
We must all keep trying, but it's really difficult to rescue a child. And while it would have been great if your friends had done more to help, they were, nevertheless, children--and you know all too well how little power kids have in this world. This is a system of abuse that is wholly the responsibility of adults, adults who should know better (though programs routinely deceive parents), adults who should protect children, not hurt them, and adults who must be held accountable.
Those of us back home are told nothing of the truth about programs. Your friends did try to act on your behalf... I would guess they were more supportive than you realize, but virtually powerless. Programs have a sinister history of getting families to identify additional children among the friends and family members who can also be recruited to the program. Your friends and siblings (if any) were at risk of suffering the abuse that you suffered, though they would not have known that.
I'm sorry "guest" said such hurtful things to you. Your outrage is completely understandable and the abuse you suffered is not your fault.
Auntie Em
tRY as hard as you can to get your neice out. there is no 'nice' in program it doesnt make a difference if she is treated a bit 'worse' if you can get her out sooner and then help her. Also, its unlikely they'll punish her if they know she has someone who will force consequnces on them for torture. GET YOUR NEICE OUT. DONT USE YOU ARE AFRAID OF MAKING IT HARDER FOR HER AS AN EXCUSE.
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yeah man,
Sorry no one was able to help get you out and as I've said many, many times before, no one deserves to be treated in the unhumane way programs treat kids.
That said, please know how powerless others can be to intervene on behalf of a child. I speak from experience. Every avenue we pursued to get our neice out of a program dead-ended when we realized she would be punished by the program if our efforts became known to the parents or the program. Parents have almost unlimited power under the law to make decisions about the education and care of their children.
We must all keep trying, but it's really difficult to rescue a child. And while it would have been great if your friends had done more to help, they were, nevertheless, children--and you know all too well how little power kids have in this world. This is a system of abuse that is wholly the responsibility of adults, adults who should know better (though programs routinely deceive parents), adults who should protect children, not hurt them, and adults who must be held accountable.
Those of us back home are told nothing of the truth about programs. Your friends did try to act on your behalf... I would guess they were more supportive than you realize, but virtually powerless. Programs have a sinister history of getting families to identify additional children among the friends and family members who can also be recruited to the program. Your friends and siblings (if any) were at risk of suffering the abuse that you suffered, though they would not have known that.
I'm sorry "guest" said such hurtful things to you. Your outrage is completely understandable and the abuse you suffered is not your fault.
Auntie Em
tRY as hard as you can to get your neice out. there is no 'nice' in program it doesnt make a difference if she is treated a bit 'worse' if you can get her out sooner and then help her. Also, its unlikely they'll punish her if they know she has someone who will force consequnces on them for torture. GET YOUR NEICE OUT. DONT USE YOU ARE AFRAID OF MAKING IT HARDER FOR HER AS AN EXCUSE.
:guesswho:
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yeah, nobody did shit for me. no, they tried, my STUPID fucking parents wouldn't listen. they should have tried harder. they should have chipped in and gotten me a lawyer.
Oh they should have tried harder and spent money on you. Chipped in their own money to get you a lawyer.
they should have been there every single day, ready to pick me up when i ran.
They should have ALL ran away from home and waited out front all day and night, everyday in case you ran away.
they should have gotten me a social worker. they should have gotten together a coalition of all my teachers from school to talk to my parents. people KNEW about the program i was in WAY. BACK. WHEN. my friends should have picketed, gotten me a lawyer, gotten me any kind of help other than the NOT MUCH they did.
Oh poor you. You fucked up your life to the point that your parents had to interviene and place you in a program. You expect respect from your parents when you treat them like shit. You probably treated your friends the same way. Grow a sack and grow up.
SORRY FRIENDS. but my friends already knew how shitty my parents were. my friends let me rot in the program. good going, "friends!"
Maybe they were pissed at you for throwing your life away. If you cant even respect yourself enough to stay in school, get a job, why should they bail you out? Why should they have respect for you. Its not cool getting sent away or going to jail, its stupid.
and that is why i hate people and trust no one. NO ONE will go out of their way for you.
not even oscar. but thanks so much for caring all the way from denmark, i guess.
Here is a hint, they probably didn’t like you very much in the first place. They didn’t do anything wrong, you did and if they felt you didn’t deserve where you were sent or didn’t need it and you treated them like true friends should, they would have done all of the above to help to get you out. You would be surprised what friends can do for each other. If they were not your friends then that is why.
Start being nice to people and dont expect anything in return, you will be surpised at what comes back to you.
TheWho's "blame the victim" mentality on display. What a nice person he is. I can see why his son booted a giant spoonful now.
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..........There was a post awhile back where a parent was criticized the same way as the previous kid was, only for sending their kid away. The poster knew nothing about this parent but still beat up on them like they were dirt, accusing the parent of just sending the kid away for no reason when the poster didn’t know what the home life was like or circumstances for the kid being placed in a program.
People can just be mean spirited in general and take their anger out on anyone who happens to be around. The parent never deserved the critisizem just like you dont because we dont know the details.
Hang in there.
Good Bump "Guest"......
Seems to be okay to unfairly beat up on parents, but when survivors are held to task here then everyone cries foul. Why is that? Do the posters really believe the kids had no choice whether or not they were placed? Did they think they could just dropout of school, disrespect their parents, place their siblings in danger without consequences? You rarely hear stories of how posters wish they had done things differently, like stay in school, respect their siblings more etc. There always seems to be plenty of blame for everyone else besides themselves. Do the majority of posters here really believe they had no part in their own placement at all?
A little curious is all.
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Good Bump "Guest"......
Seems to be okay to unfairly beat up on parents, but when survivors are held to task here then everyone cries foul. Why is that? Do the posters really believe the kids had no choice whether or not they were placed? Did they think they could just dropout of school, disrespect their parents, place their siblings in danger without consequences? You rarely hear stories of how posters wish they had done things differently, like stay in school, respect their siblings more etc. There always seems to be plenty of blame for everyone else besides themselves. Do the majority of posters here really believe they had no part in their own placement at all?
A little curious is all.
I'll shit down your fucking stupid NECK, you program-loving ASSHOLE!!!! You have a lot of fucking GALL talking this shit here!!! I hope your kid stabs you to death in your SLEEP!!! You'd fucking well DESERVE IT!!!!!!!!
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Good Bump "Guest"......
Seems to be okay to unfairly beat up on parents, but when survivors are held to task here then everyone cries foul. Why is that? Do the posters really believe the kids had no choice whether or not they were placed? Did they think they could just dropout of school, disrespect their parents, place their siblings in danger without consequences? You rarely hear stories of how posters wish they had done things differently, like stay in school, respect their siblings more etc. There always seems to be plenty of blame for everyone else besides themselves. Do the majority of posters here really believe they had no part in their own placement at all?
A little curious is all.
I'll shit down your fucking stupid NECK, you program-loving ASSHOLE!!!! You have a lot of fucking GALL talking this shit here!!! I hope your kid stabs you to death in your SLEEP!!! You'd fucking well DESERVE IT!!!!!!!!
Again with blaming the parents WTF. What if the parent just stabbed the defective kid in their sleep and save themselves $100,000 plus and put the money towards the other kids in the family who are staying in school and trying to do something with their lives instead of throwing good money at a kid who wont even try?
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I'll shit down your fucking stupid NECK, you program-loving ASSHOLE!!!! You have a lot of fucking GALL talking this shit here!!! I hope your kid stabs you to death in your SLEEP!!! You'd fucking well DESERVE IT!!!!!!!!
...and you probably are still confused as to why you were placed in a program. I bet your brothers and or sisters never spoke to their parents that way.
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Last four posts (yes, all four) are the same person faking an entire conversation.
Yes, they do that. We get a lot of really desperate programmies here. Don't worry about it.
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Last four posts (yes, all four) are the same person faking an entire conversation.
Yes, they do that. We get a lot of really desperate programmies here. Don't worry about it.
Make that the last five posts (yes,all five) by one survivor. Some survivors like stack jones just need constant attention.
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It's being territorial.
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I think the concept of the other kids in the class ganging up on the victim's parents REALLY scares the fuck out of it.
How can you feel safe at all if a sizable fraction of the kid's friends are going to go all /i/ on your ass (and their friends, and...) the instant you pull shit like this?
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I think the concept of the other kids in the class ganging up on the victim's parents REALLY scares the fuck out of it.
How can you feel safe at all if a sizable fraction of the kid's friends are going to go all /i/ on your ass (and their friends, and...) the instant you pull shit like this?
Nah, the friends get riled up for a few days after their friends placement and maybe they will write one letter. But after that all the kids pretty much go right back to what they were doing before and by the time you get home they have moved on or matured a bit themselves.
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This is a false choice. It is not a choice between some phony nirvana in a program and completely tolerating a teen who is off track, violent or deliquent. There is another way.
Parents do not have to be afraid to keep working it out at home.
Families can and do successfully seek help in their own communities, within their own family, social, and community networks, in a way that keeps the family together and helps the child and the family to work out their problems. The child may clearly need help, but that almost always means the parents need help parenting, too. Families can and do survive the teen years!
Adults are accountable because the adults have the power.
The reason children are not held to the same account as adults is that the adults are the ones with the power. The legal definitions of various kinds of abuse or violence all turn on the power differential. If one party is more powerful physically, mentally, or economically or with regard to legal standing, or otherwise have greater power, then they are prohibited from using that power to harm or take advantage of the other person.
Parents are legally and morally obligated to protect children from abuse.
Furthermore, parents are legally and morally obligated to protect their children, to protect them from the type of abuse that commonly--commonly--occurs in programs, including deprivation of food, water, shelter, medical care, liberty, and education, and deprives them of the ability to report these abuses to the authorities and, in fact, to their own parents.
We may disagree about what constitutes "protecting"...
Arguments like these between pro-program parents/family members/supporters and anti-program survivors/youth/advocates/defenders seems to get stuck fighting about two competing views. One view is that sending children to involuntary placements in programs thousands of miles from home and family for confrontational "therapy" is somehow "protecting the child." The other view is that doing so is abuse, pure and simple. Obviously you can count me in the latter camp. I do make an exception for the family members who are deceived and/or railroaded by programs into enrolling their children.
...but there is documentation of widespread abuse, and deceptive marketing practices at programs.
Just because some families report a good experience with a program does not in any way excuse or rationalize the acts of child abuse committed against other children. Parents are right to be deeply concerned about the health, well-being, and safety of a child placed in a program. There is detailed credible documentation of widespread reports of abuse, maltreatment, death, and deceptive marketing practices as reported by the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office in their foresic investigation reports issued in October 2007 (http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/1010 ... timony.pdf (http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/101007GregoryKutzTestimony.pdf)) and April 2008 (http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/2008 ... egKutz.pdf (http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/2008-04-24-GregKutz.pdf)).
Auntie Em
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This is a false choice. It is not a choice between some phony nirvana in a program and completely tolerating a teen who is off track, violent or deliquent. There is another way.
Parents do not have to be afraid to keep working it out at home.
Families can and do successfully seek help in their own communities, within their own family, social, and community networks, in a way that keeps the family together and helps the child and the family to work out their problems. The child may clearly need help, but that almost always means the parents need help parenting, too. Families can and do survive the teen years!
Adults are accountable because the adults have the power.
The reason children are not held to the same account as adults is that the adults are the ones with the power. The legal definitions of various kinds of abuse or violence all turn on the power differential. If one party is more powerful physically, mentally, or economically or with regard to legal standing, or otherwise have greater power, then they are prohibited from using that power to harm or take advantage of the other person.
Parents are legally and morally obligated to protect children from abuse.
Furthermore, parents are legally and morally obligated to protect their children, to protect them from the type of abuse that commonly--commonly--occurs in programs, including deprivation of food, water, shelter, medical care, liberty, and education, and deprives them of the ability to report these abuses to the authorities and, in fact, to their own parents.
We may disagree about what constitutes "protecting"...
Arguments like these between pro-program parents/family members/supporters and anti-program survivors/youth/advocates/defenders seems to get stuck fighting about two competing views. One view is that sending children to involuntary placements in programs thousands of miles from home and family for confrontational "therapy" is somehow "protecting the child." The other view is that doing so is abuse, pure and simple. Obviously you can count me in the latter camp. I do make an exception for the family members who are deceived and/or railroaded by programs into enrolling their children.
...but there is documentation of widespread abuse, and deceptive marketing practices at programs.
Just because some families report a good experience with a program does not in any way excuse or rationalize the acts of child abuse committed against other children. Parents are right to be deeply concerned about the health, well-being, and safety of a child placed in a program. There is detailed credible documentation of widespread reports of abuse, maltreatment, death, and deceptive marketing practices as reported by the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office in their foresic investigation reports issued in October 2007 (http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/1010 ... timony.pdf (http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/101007GregoryKutzTestimony.pdf)) and April 2008 (http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/2008 ... egKutz.pdf (http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/2008-04-24-GregKutz.pdf)).
Auntie Em
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