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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 16, 2009, 11:29:51 PM
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I am worried about my parents trying to send me to a wwasps school. i attended CSA already. does anyone have any advice on how to handle this situation legally?
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I am worried about my parents trying to send me to a wwasps school. i attended CSA already. does anyone have any advice on how to handle this situation legally?
this is a legit post, btw, and not a troll. This kid needs help. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I've suggested retaining an attorney to have uncensored contact if he gets sent back, but other suggestions are welcome.
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How is a teenager going to afford an attorney? Besides it's not illegal for parents to send their kids away, so what grounds would they have to fight it. If you know for sure you are going to get sent away again, the only way to avoid it for sure is to run away from home. The next best option, if your fate has not been decided, is to educate your parents as to the truth about wasp.
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How is a teenager going to afford an attorney?
Pro bono, perhaps. Some attys are in this for more than the money and actually care about the kids who gets sent to these programs.
Besides it's not illegal for parents to send their kids away, so what grounds would they have to fight it.
You're missing the point. Attorneys have unfettered access to their clients and attorney client priviledge. This means the atty can call the program and demand to speak to the kid. They can't interfere or even listen in. This allows an unrestricted link with the outside world, effectively breaking the program dynamic.
If you know for sure you are going to get sent away again, the only way to avoid it for sure is to run away from home.
And get caught and sent anyway? bad idea. Easier to play along and fight within the boundries of teh system. A program would *definately* mind their manners if they knew a kid was currently represented by an atty (they might even send the kid home to get such a liability the hell out of there).
The next best option, if your fate has not been decided, is to educate your parents as to the truth about wasp.
Risky... but it probably wouldn't work in this circumstance.
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Just information: It is not a troll according to one of our case workers.
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well you have several options but all are dependent on your individual situation. If you wouldn't mind answering some questions we might be able to help more accurately.
First, how old are you? Do you have any other relatives you can go live with? or friend's parents who would be willing to take you in? Are you able to hold down a job in case you need to prove that you can support yourself outside of the home?
Second, Are your parents able to be reasoned with? Are they "program parents" as in, still involved or staffing seminars? Have you tried speaking with your parents about your experience at the program, enough to explain to them what WWASP tries to pass off as "therapy" and "treatment"? Have you sat down to talk to them about how they feel about you and your actions as of late and do you think that its possible to come to an understanding and agreement BEFORE it gets to a point that they decide to send you back?
Third, have you evaluated yourself, your actions and are you willing to lay low until your 18? Most times as long as your coming home before curfew and and don't have a reoccurring problem with drugs some parents are able to look the other way with normal adolescent behavior like attitude and low grades. So what exactly is pissing them off about your behavior or actions?
Fourth, Are there any outlets in your community that you can reach out to in order to help with mediation between you and you parents, for instance do you have a guidance counselor at school or a family counselor or even an older sibling to step in and help you communicate with them and them communicate with you?
If the worst really comes to worst, and you feel in danger of being abused or imprisoned without due process against your will you should contact child services, a lawyer and several people (and I mean as many as possible) about this situation that way if you go missing there are people willing to fight on your behalf to have you pulled out of this program. It has happened before, and what most kids don't realize is that you have rights as an American citizen that over-power any parental rights. You have the right to an attorney and that attorney has the right to gain access to you where-ever you may be in the country. The only thing you have to worry about is that you could be sent out of the country, one possibility is to Mexico where they have developed a new WWASP program called Oceanside. Its very possible that if your parents called WWASP right now that is where they would refer you to because they are marketing their newest program. If that's the case, you need to make sure that you have a way to get in contact with the outside world, establish a secret code with one of your family members that when you write them they know you are being abused and need to act to have you extracted ASAP. Mexico is a dangerous and lawless place and I am not being racist when I tell you that some of the Mexicans that live there DO NOT like Americans, especially what they believe to be spoiled little brats. I am speaking from experience, I was in 2 WWASP programs in Mexico and I was severely abused, including physically tortured. You can try to convince your parents not to send you there, and hope for the best, but you NEED to prepare for the worst.
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If all else fails, just get the hell out of there! RUN!!!
Just about anything would be better than getting sent to that place...
Life may be hard on the streets, but you'd prolly be better off on the streets than in there!!
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All advice so far seems good - with the possible exception of running. I can't advocate this. Unless maybe your nearly 18 - and have a trusted friend or family member you can go to.
You might consider contacting your state department of child welfair - or call the child abuse hot-line. You should have no trouble making the case that the WWASPS programs are abusive and negligent - just refer them to the law suit Turley has filed. See if they can offer you any safety measures - maybe get you a case worker who will make sure you don't get "disappeared". They might or mignt not - depends on many factors you have no control over.
The advice to behave yourself is good advice - but maybe your dealing with folks like that poor kid in Maia's book,Help at Any Cost, Paul Richards. (Talk about some kool-aid swilling wackos) If that's the case then you are at great risk no matter how well you tow the line.
One thing I've not noticed mentioned that every kid ought to know: the air lines can not allow an unwilling or disruptive passenger on a flight. If you find yourself at an air port in the hands of a parent or escort - do not be shy about making it clear you do not want to board the plane - you are being forced against your will - You want to see a lawyer - be bold and loud and do not stop. The flight attendants will not be allowed to let you board. The police may be called. This is good. Try and insist on police intervention. Demand to speak with an attorney - It would be great if you can get an advance agreement with local counsel to take your call and intervene.
If you end up in a rental car on a long drive - this will increase you opportunities to seek assistance. Every stop give the same speech as at the air-port - I am being taken against my will - please call the police.
I'll grant you some officers might not be so sympathetic - but others will. I personally know of a case where the state troopers interceded to keep a program from forcing a boy into a car for return to a program - and followed up with getting the kid to a local YMCA and helping him with a set of cloths from the local salvation army.
Do what ever you can to get yourself an attorney interested in helping - willing to take your calls and to intercede if required. Get yourself a copy of the WWASP law suit and seek meetings with family attorneys, or juvenile defense attorneys, and explain your in danger of being sent back. I'd like to think someone would be appalled enough to step up to the plate for you.
http://www.turleylaw.com/ (http://www.turleylaw.com/)
on the left side bar you'll see: Recent filings.
this will take you to a PDF copy of the law suit.
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All advice so far seems good - with the possible exception of running. I can't advocate this. Unless maybe your nearly 18 - and have a trusted friend or family member you can go to.
You might consider contacting your state department of child welfair - or call the child abuse hot-line. You should have no trouble making the case that the WWASPS programs are abusive and negligent - just refer them to the law suit Turley has filed. See if they can offer you any safety measures - maybe get you a case worker who will make sure you don't get "disappeared". They might or mignt not - depends on many factors you have no control over.
The advice to behave yourself is good advice - but maybe your dealing with folks like that poor kid in Maia's book,Help at Any Cost, Paul Richards. (Talk about some kool-aid swilling wackos) If that's the case then you are at great risk no matter how well you tow the line.
One thing I've not noticed mentioned that every kid ought to know: the air lines can not allow an unwilling or disruptive passenger on a flight. If you find yourself at an air port in the hands of a parent or escort - do not be shy about making it clear you do not want to board the plane - you are being forced against your will - You want to see a lawyer - be bold and loud and do not stop. The flight attendants will not be allowed to let you board. The police may be called. This is good. Try and insist on police intervention. Demand to speak with an attorney - It would be great if you can get an advance agreement with local counsel to take your call and intervene.
If you end up in a rental car on a long drive - this will increase you opportunities to seek assistance. Every stop give the same speech as at the air-port - I am being taken against my will - please call the police.
I'll grant you some officers might not be so sympathetic - but others will. I personally know of a case where the state troopers interceded to keep a program from forcing a boy into a car for return to a program - and followed up with getting the kid to a local YMCA and helping him with a set of cloths from the local salvation army.
Do what ever you can to get yourself an attorney interested in helping - willing to take your calls and to intercede if required. Get yourself a copy of the WWASP law suit and seek meetings with family attorneys, or juvenile defense attorneys, and explain your in danger of being sent back. I'd like to think someone would be appalled enough to step up to the plate for you.
http://www.turleylaw.com/ (http://www.turleylaw.com/)
on the left side bar you'll see: Recent filings.
this will take you to a PDF copy of the law suit.
Be ware of burly men or family members that come in the night to snatch you up. Sometimes drugs are involved to make sure that you are subdued so you can't make a scene at the airport. If this sounds crazy, that's because it is, and no child should go through that. Unfortunately it happens, and some schools/programs recommend this course of action, especially if they think you will be resistant. But if they do try to take you by plane, make a scene!!!!! I wish that I had known this fact, even in a drugged up state I could have made more of an effort. Plus with beefed up security, there will be at least a few seconds alone with someone in TSA while going through security.
Honestly, to avoid the programs, quit doing whatever it is that is pissing your parents off enough to want to send you away. I was skipping too much school. That was turned into them believing I was sleeping around, doing coke, and dealing drugs, even though I wasn't. I wish that I had just gone to class, stopped fighting with them, and kept my head down until 18. This is probably the best way to avoid it. If you don't show drug/behavior problems, they won't want to send you away/ won't have a reason, plus behaving will give you leverage.
I realize that once some parents have the seed planted in their head, that there is nothing that you can do. If that is the case, it has been said before, but let as many people know as possible. Not just your friends, trusted adults too. Show them books on it, show them the AARC piece, anything and everything to explain it. Your parents are far more likely to listen to an adult about the dangers of programs than your friends (because they probably are already labeled as "druggies" even if they are not). If I knew what they were threatening me with (I had never heard of these programs until I was sitting in a plastic chair), I would have done anything and everything to avoid it. Playing along with the family until 18 is waaay better than a stint in a program.
Best of luck.
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One thing I've not noticed mentioned that every kid ought to know: the air lines can not allow an unwilling or disruptive passenger on a flight. If you find yourself at an air port in the hands of a parent or escort - do not be shy about making it clear you do not want to board the plane - you are being forced against your will - You want to see a lawyer - be bold and loud and do not stop. The flight attendants will not be allowed to let you board. The police may be called. This is good. Try and insist on police intervention. Demand to speak with an attorney - It would be great if you can get an advance agreement with local counsel to take your call and intervene.
This is EXCELLENT advice, Your never short of interesting comments BuzzKill.
I would also add to that that when you are making a scene you mention your age and that you do not have a criminal record and that you are be imprisoned against your constitutional rights. You NEED to know your rights and demand that they are not violated. You might as well tell your parents this... maybe we can draw up some documentation that proves that constitutional rights (being falsely imprisoned without due process) over powers any parental rights and that they would be directly responsible for any more violations of your rights. You might not want to out-rightly threaten to sue them but you should indirectly inform them that they can be sued and you would win. Here is where I would recommend getting a lawyer. Most lawyers will can give you legal counsel pro-bono and might be willing to talk to your parents on your behalf.
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I would go with some sympathetic relatives as the first port of call. While calling the authorities or running away are emergency options, a family member *may* depending on the circumstances be able to diffuse the tension between you and the folks. At the very least if you have a wider family that you get along with you can hang at their house for a bit & give everyone a bit of breathing space. Failing that is there another adult in your life that you like but your parents see as sensible and trustworthy? Perhaps you can get them on board to try and negotiate something. I would also talk to a school counsellor if they are any good and show them the antiwwasp literature. Make as many concerned adults as possible aware so that if you do disappear they are alert and concerned
It is concerning that you are as far away as Alaska as you will be travelling a long way if this goes ahead. Do you know anyone close to the school that you can warn ahead of time?
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Post your parents' address, name, and phone number here.
This is the nuclear option, which means that you should use it first.
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Post your parents' address, name, and phone number here.
This is the nuclear option, which means that you should use it first.
That's a daft idea. That pretty much guarantees the program will contact them and then he *will* get sent back.
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Get a sharp blade- very sharp.
Say "This is to prevent your disgusting genetics from passing to anyone else."
Pull down your pants.
Then, looking him in the eye, castrate yourself in front of your father.
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Get a sharp blade- very sharp.
Say "This is to prevent your disgusting genetics from passing to anyone else."
Pull down your pants.
Then, looking him in the eye, castrate yourself in front of your father.
Welcome to Fornits!
:roflmao:
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If I were in your position, I would take the necessary steps to get an attorney and then file a suit to become an emancipated minor. I wish I knew more details about how to do this, I believe Idahoway went this route, but never had to follow through because it scared the crap out of his parents and they backed out of sending him someplace after RMA.
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I am worried about my parents trying to send me to a wwasps school. i attended CSA already. does anyone have any advice on how to handle this situation legally?
this is a legit post, btw, and not a troll. This kid needs help. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I've suggested retaining an attorney to have uncensored contact if he gets sent back, but other suggestions are welcome.
how do you know its not a troll?
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One thing I've not noticed mentioned that every kid ought to know: the air lines can not allow an unwilling or disruptive passenger on a flight. If you find yourself at an air port in the hands of a parent or escort - do not be shy about making it clear you do not want to board the plane - you are being forced against your will - You want to see a lawyer - be bold and loud and do not stop. The flight attendants will not be allowed to let you board. The police may be called. This is good. Try and insist on police intervention. Demand to speak with an attorney - It would be great if you can get an advance agreement with local counsel to take your call and intervene.
This is EXCELLENT advice, Your never short of interesting comments BuzzKill.
I would also add to that that when you are making a scene you mention your age and that you do not have a criminal record and that you are be imprisoned against your constitutional rights. You NEED to know your rights and demand that they are not violated. You might as well tell your parents this... maybe we can draw up some documentation that proves that constitutional rights (being falsely imprisoned without due process) over powers any parental rights and that they would be directly responsible for any more violations of your rights. You might not want to out-rightly threaten to sue them but you should indirectly inform them that they can be sued and you would win. Here is where I would recommend getting a lawyer. Most lawyers will can give you legal counsel pro-bono and might be willing to talk to your parents on your behalf.
Yes, you cannot be taken on a plane against your will, but then they will DRIVE you there against your will, or drug you. Contact an attourney asap. Attrounies will represent you pro bono, or can you get a freind to loan you some money..or you can actually get a lawyer with the intent of forcing your parents to pay his fees..can also sue parents
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I knew a kid thad did this. His name was North and we were both 11 years old. He tired of his parents who never payed attention to him, always busy with their careers, and ending up legally emancipating himself from them. He filed a lawsuit against them and the judge ruled that North should either find new parents or return to his old parents within 2 months. Then he wandered around the world seeking a new family. Along the way, he encountered parents that were Texan, Alaskan, Hawaiian, Amish, etc. He tried to blend in with each group of parents, but was never satisfied. He finally decided that his own parents were the best (with the help of his guardian angel, who he said uses many different guises). I just figured he had schizophrenia when he told me that.
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Hi, everyone. . im the one that started this and i thank everyone for their suggestions. as i was asked im going to tell you more about my situation. i got into drugs and alcohol before i went the first time. i've stayed absolutely clean since ive been back home. not that ive ever been out of the house without my parents. im not trustworthy enough to not sleep in the same room as my two other siblings. every time i have a disagreement with my parents they talk about how i should have been in CSA longer. ill be seventeen on may 30. so i still have awhile. i've been trying to grovel enough to my parents to try to stall this thing. and im going to continue to try to stall it. but i just want to be prepared in case something does happen. i don't have any family that i trust enough to take me in. ive looked into emancipation and in the state that i am in you have to have six months proof of a job. my parents say that im not trustworthy enough to have a job. i still have the paper work for emancipation, but i dont see that as being a working option. i have no friends. I have tried to tell my parents about my stay in South Carolina. but everytime i do they say that i could have had it worse. i dont know if anyone has seen the tranquility bay documentary. but i had my parents watch it and they said that all the kids in that movie could have had it worse. i think my parents know that the program was abusive as hell. but to admit that would mean that they would have to admit that they screwed up in sending me there. and they will never admit that. i hope ive answered all of your questions. if you have any more just ask. and ill do my best to answer them
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I have one.
Why are they still alive?
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im not trustworthy enough to not sleep in the same room as my two other siblings.
Is this your personal assessment, or that of your parents?
ive looked into emancipation and in the state that i am in you have to have six months proof of a job. my parents say that im not trustworthy enough to have a job. i still have the paper work for emancipation, but i dont see that as being a working option.
Do you need your parents' okay to have a job? Serious question, there might be some variability from state to state. I know when I started working at 16, there was no such paperwork needed.
If this is possible, this in and of itself might stave off the send-away. It matters less what the job is, and what it pays, than that it establishes your credibility and capability of making and keeping commitments (i.e., showing up for work during your expected time, performing your job responsibilities, etc.).
Doesn't really matter if it is washing dishes or busing tables. It can be part-time, e.g., after school and/or weekends. This can only help you. Plus, you get more witnesses in your favor should your parents try to send you away anyway. Can you imagine?
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Hi, everyone. . im the one that started this and i thank everyone for their suggestions. as i was asked im going to tell you more about my situation. i got into drugs and alcohol before i went the first time. i've stayed absolutely clean since ive been back home. not that ive ever been out of the house without my parents. im not trustworthy enough to not sleep in the same room as my two other siblings. every time i have a disagreement with my parents they talk about how i should have been in CSA longer. ill be seventeen on may 30. so i still have awhile. i've been trying to grovel enough to my parents to try to stall this thing. and im going to continue to try to stall it. but i just want to be prepared in case something does happen. i don't have any family that i trust enough to take me in. ive looked into emancipation and in the state that i am in you have to have six months proof of a job. my parents say that im not trustworthy enough to have a job. i still have the paper work for emancipation, but i dont see that as being a working option. i have no friends. I have tried to tell my parents about my stay in South Carolina. but everytime i do they say that i could have had it worse. i dont know if anyone has seen the tranquility bay documentary. but i had my parents watch it and they said that all the kids in that movie could have had it worse. i think my parents know that the program was abusive as hell. but to admit that would mean that they would have to admit that they screwed up in sending me there. and they will never admit that. i hope ive answered all of your questions. if you have any more just ask. and ill do my best to answer them
If you are not a troll, your parents are truly evil. I think the best thing for you to do is "hide in plain sight." Go to the media tell them your situation. Post your name and your plight on every site on the internet. Get a lawyer and start working toward you emancipation. You can stay in an emergency shelter until then. You may normally need to have 6 mo worht of a job , but these things are not set in stone. Emancipation statutes were passed to help kids with abusive parents like yourself.
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Hi, everyone. . im the one that started this and i thank everyone for their suggestions. as i was asked im going to tell you more about my situation. i got into drugs and alcohol before i went the first time. i've stayed absolutely clean since ive been back home. not that ive ever been out of the house without my parents. im not trustworthy enough to not sleep in the same room as my two other siblings. every time i have a disagreement with my parents they talk about how i should have been in CSA longer. ill be seventeen on may 30. so i still have awhile. i've been trying to grovel enough to my parents to try to stall this thing. and im going to continue to try to stall it. but i just want to be prepared in case something does happen. i don't have any family that i trust enough to take me in. ive looked into emancipation and in the state that i am in you have to have six months proof of a job. my parents say that im not trustworthy enough to have a job. i still have the paper work for emancipation, but i dont see that as being a working option. i have no friends. I have tried to tell my parents about my stay in South Carolina. but everytime i do they say that i could have had it worse. i dont know if anyone has seen the tranquility bay documentary. but i had my parents watch it and they said that all the kids in that movie could have had it worse. i think my parents know that the program was abusive as hell. but to admit that would mean that they would have to admit that they screwed up in sending me there. and they will never admit that. i hope ive answered all of your questions. if you have any more just ask. and ill do my best to answer them
If you are not a troll, your parents are truly evil. I think the best thing for you to do is "hide in plain sight." Go to the media tell them your situation. Post your name and your plight on every site on the internet. Get a lawyer and start working toward you emancipation. You can stay in an emergency shelter until then. You may normally need to have 6 mo worht of a job , but these things are not set in stone. Emancipation statutes were passed to help kids with abusive parents like yourself.
oH I FORGOT TO ADD post your parents name, address, grandparents name. The shame quotient is necessary to do this correctly. Post on every board you can think of. Contact that lawyer, make to a decent shelter..get going. Dont put up with those abusive nuts another minute
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how long have you been back? they seem to be unnecessarily strict however it seems they are following the protocall of the parentsrole in keeping your "home contract". Were they strict like this before you went to the program? are they involved with the parent seminars still or in touch with old seminar parent friends?
How did you leave the program? Were you pulled or did you graduate?
You might want to assume that they are using the program as a scare tactic to keep you in line, being as you are not exhibiting any acting out... In fact you might want to confront them on using this tactic, tell them that it is a cruel thing to do considering that they are now aware that there is abuse in the program, as if that's what they want for you, to be abused, oppressed and miserable. Don't they realize what a miserable place the program is? What good would send you back do? You aren't doing drugs and you don't need any kind of help, so them taking that action would simply be an action of intended abuse and isolation. Let them know these are the kinds of things that would make it easy for you to take them to court.
I honestly think you should stand up for yourself, tell them about the program, and that their parenting is suffocating and unhealthy and that you intend to get a job to start saving so you can move away for college. If they say No, let them know that this is important to you and they have no viable reason to not allow it, if trust is the issue, then that is THEIR issue not yours and you are old enough to start assuming responsibility for your life. I know that arguing is not the best thing to be doing when going back to the program is at stake but you MUST stand up for yourself, let them know that what they are doing is morally wrong and that you have rights and are willing to seek legal council in order to protect them, and if you get sent back for getting a job then you will never forgive them. I know that sounds harsh, but if I were in your shoes I would never have forgiven my parents if they sent me back. You need to do your best to bring fourth the information about the abuse in these facilities and after they are informed, if they still intend for you to be sent back then you really should file for emancipation.
I don't know, maybe the truth is not something they are willing to hear from their daughter, If you would like, we can send them emails on your behalf. possibly even help you mediate between them. I wouldn't suggest posting their emails on this site tho they might get flooded with hate mail or worse pro programmers trying to get you sent back so if you want me to help in the regard send me a PM and Ill forward the message to a few others who would be able to write to your parents.
I hope you know I feel for you, I can understand the amount of anxiety that a young girl would feel in such a tensious situation. Just know that I am here for you and If you go missing I will do my best to get the proper authorities involved.
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If you are not a troll, your parents are truly evil.
I wouldnt necessarily say that. Mine were very very similar when I was his age. Thing is that they changed. Since they changed, I know it's possible his parents can change, but that will take time.
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oH I FORGOT TO ADD post your parents name, address, grandparents name.
No. Don't do that. Even though your parents will definately get nasty phone calls, they will also get calls from the program, and that will be the end of that. Also, if you do the whole "media stink" thing suggested, your parents will never forgive you and your relationship with them will never heal (you'll also probably disappear to another program...). That's probably not something you want in the long run. Think about the long term, plan out your options, and you'll be fine. When you're out of their house (which may be some time) or back in their better graces, you can being up the program issue with them again and they might see things a bit differently (or not). In any case, rash action is not the solution. My advice is to be cool, calculated, and wise in the actions you take.
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let them know that what they are doing is morally wrong and that you have rights and are willing to seek legal council
No. Don't say a damn thing until you *have* legal counsel. Don't raise a fuss or even mention the thing about rights. It won't work. Trust me on this. lol... I speak from experience here.
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oH I FORGOT TO ADD post your parents name, address, grandparents name.
No. Don't do that. Even though your parents will definately get nasty phone calls, they will also get calls from the program, and that will be the end of that. Also, if you do the whole "media stink" thing suggested, your parents will never forgive you and your relationship with them will never heal (you'll also probably disappear to another program...). That's probably not something you want in the long run. Think about the long term, plan out your options, and you'll be fine. When you're out of their house (which may be some time) or back in their better graces, you can being up the program issue with them again and they might see things a bit differently (or not). In any case, rash action is not the solution. My advice is to be cool, calculated, and wise in the actions you take.
His parents will never fogive HIM? His parents are the ones who should be worried about forgiveness, HIs parents should be in JAIL, not just exposed to shame. Once a parent lcoks you away to be torutred they dont DESERVE you anymore, and you DESERVE to do everything within your power to fight back and protect yourself
That--calling all media, emancipating myself, going to a shelter, making plans to sue for loss of education pain and suffering and suing them for college expenses (you can do that--most kids dont know that) is what I would do if I were in his situation, and believe me, I've thought about it a lot.
I dont care if his parents have the capacity to change. You own a slave, you kill a homeless guy, you can change but that never undoes that damage you did. Your ability to change is secondary to the fact: your evil.
His only concern is gtting himself free, clear, safe and empowered.
Check if you have a trust fund, kid. You just may. Get your lawyer to look into it. And tell teh rest of your family what is going on. Abuse makes you untrusting but sometimes the rest of your family is better than you fear and can be allies.
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let them know that what they are doing is morally wrong and that you have rights and are willing to seek legal council
No. Don't say a damn thing until you *have* legal counsel. Don't raise a fuss or even mention the thing about rights. It won't work. Trust me on this. lol... I speak from experience here.
i agree
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Get a sharp blade- very sharp.
Say "This is to prevent your disgusting genetics from passing to anyone else."
Pull down your pants.
Then, looking him in the eye, castrate yourself in front of your father.
haha, that would be a good suggestion. lol. but my brother already has a kid so the genes have already been passed on.
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no i didnt graduate. i was pulled after my family rep assaulted another student. and as for the job. i have no transportation and i live like fifteen miles out of town. im trying to get my license right now. but its hard. also my parents homeschool me. im NEVER allowed out of the house without them. unless its to some religious conference crap. my parents thnk the apocolypse is coming there radical catholics. they are also healthnuts. all in all my parents never do anything small. they do everything big.
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no i didnt graduate. i was pulled after my family rep assaulted another student. and as for the job. i have no transportation and i live like fifteen miles out of town. im trying to get my license right now. but its hard. also my parents homeschool me. im NEVER allowed out of the house without them. unless its to some religious conference crap. my parents thnk the apocolypse is coming there radical catholics. they are also healthnuts. all in all my parents never do anything small. they do everything big.
holy shit. talk about control freaks. a lot of what you said earlier makes total sense now. the outside world has NO clue about what they are putting you, their own kid, through. this is a serious mind warp. it's a FAMILY PROGRAM. hang in there for a year and then split as soon as you can.
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no i didnt graduate. i was pulled after my family rep assaulted another student. and as for the job. i have no transportation and i live like fifteen miles out of town. im trying to get my license right now. but its hard. also my parents homeschool me. im NEVER allowed out of the house without them. unless its to some religious conference crap. my parents thnk the apocolypse is coming there radical catholics. they are also healthnuts. all in all my parents never do anything small. they do everything big.
Wow.
Honestly, I take back what I said, reasoning with them will not work. I'm honestly not the best person to be asking advice about dealing with religious parents, I am VERY anti-religious. People like your parents are exactly why I feel the way I do. I truly feel for you in your situation, it must be a struggle everyday. I can't imagine being trapped in that environment and not going crazy.
I think all you can do is just go along with it... slowly eek some responsibility out of them... You need to get a license! Maybe they might let you go to a private school, talk to them about a college prep school maybe even catholic school. Although they may just discourage you from even going to college on account that the rapture is supposedly upon us, but its worth a try.
Then of course the object should be getting a job and saving money so that you can move out when your 18. Depending on where you decide to live you need to save enough for about months rent and deposit, your first few utility bills and about $1000 for groceries and supplies. But that's just to start out you need to be sure you will have stable income BEFORE you contract an apartment or even rent a room in a house, don't leave it up to finding a job in this economy.
Best of luck hun...
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my parents thnk the apocolypse is coming there radical catholics.
Regnum Christi members, perhaps? Opus Dei?
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don't forget.
a good christian is a healthy christian
chicken shwarma - agedeon
a delicious and envigorating snack everyone should enjoy whilst we succumb to hordes of locust
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Being one some would call a radical protestant , naturally I can't see the family's Christianity, in and of itself, as a negative thing. It could be helpful. Do they realize how Humanistic and New Age the ideas taught in the seminars are? Are they aware of the Mormon proselytizing and indoctrination that takes place? But of course you need to be cautious bringing any such thing up. Many of the so called Christian programs are more brutal and destructive than what WWASP is so notorious for. You wouldn't want to jump from the frying pan into the fire.
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I love frying pans.
I love metaphors
However, you need to work on your grammar.
Unless of course you're in a profitable methlaboratory.
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oh.. ok. they're jesus freaks.
well, maybe rent them a cave and unleash a swarm of locusts in their bedroom? then hide. Theyll take to their hovel whether they have you with them or not, and then you'll be set!
goyim sure are funny. the Armageddon is such a cocktease. people keep thinking its coming, then when they wall themselves in to their "god bomb shelter" it decides to flake and not show up.
proof that god has a wicked sense of humor.