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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: ehm on February 22, 2003, 02:49:00 AM

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Post by: ehm on February 22, 2003, 02:49:00 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2003, 01:49:00 PM
Hi "M"! Welcome to the board! I got the impression that no one has responded to you yet, so I thought I would! My name is Leigh Bright, I was in Florida and Virginia Straight in 1982. I've been working on a book for several years and have been compiling stories of survivors. We are not few - but many. We all heal at our own rates, but I think that most of us are overcoming the brainwashing they subjected us to. I don't think too many people on the board are pro-Straight, although no doubt a few are. Unfortunately, they don't speak up much because many share your opinion of not wanting to hear from them. Quite personally, I DO want to hear from them, but then - I also have a desire to present both sides. 'Course, I completely understand what you are saying. It can be frustrating to converse with someone who thinks the abuse you suffered was somehow "your own fault." SIGH. Oh well. We don't have to agree with what they say, just that they have a right to say it. Anyway, "M" - if you are interested in telling me your story, you can email me at: [email protected]    
I promise, I'm definitely NOT Pro-Straight!!!!!!
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Post by: Carmel on February 28, 2003, 02:46:00 PM
I was in Dallas in 90.  However, I probably know a lot of the people you were in with.  If you like, send me the name list you have via e-mail and I will try to fill it in a bit for you.

[email protected]
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Post by: Carmel on February 28, 2003, 02:49:00 PM
We get very few people from Dallas around here.  I would say maybe 6-7 people that I know of post every now and again. As compared to the number of people from the other programs.
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Post by: Jay on February 28, 2003, 03:17:00 PM
Anybody know why this is? Why are there so few people from Dallas around? Especially from Richardson.

It's disturbing....
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Post by: Carmel on February 28, 2003, 03:37:00 PM
Possibly because it was one of the shorter-lived programs (again, compared to the other branches).  I dont know.  Our group was pretty big 150-200 people at any given time during my program.  We got half of the Southern California clients too towards the end of my time there.  I have never seen one person here from Southern California post.  Not one.

Doesnt mean they arent out there, or even reading this board and chosing to not be involved.
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Post by: jason999 on February 28, 2003, 06:09:00 PM
Hey- what's up.  I'm around.

Talked to Delaney Clark & Heath Duncan recently as well...

-j
[email protected]
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Post by: Carmel on February 28, 2003, 09:45:00 PM
To Heath?  Really? I remember him....he dated my hateful host sister for some time after I left. How is he?  He probably wouldnt remember me.
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Post by: glider on March 01, 2003, 09:50:00 PM
I was in both the Richardson and Irving Dallas Straights and then transferred to LA. Jason, its good to see your post, say Hi to Heath for me if you see him.
I haven't been at this forum in awhile so its good to see a few more posts from Dallas people, I got a feeling that more and more will eventually find their way to this forum.
~John
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Post by: 85 Day Jerk on March 01, 2003, 10:49:00 PM
Having gone through Straight at it's peak, I for one know damn well there are over 600 survivors in the Tampa Bay area alone.  I went through from June '78 til August '79 and remained an active 7 stepper until Oct '82.  It has been around 22 years and so much has changed in this country that it makes it real easy to bury it away in the past.
I can compare the level of the frustration to a guy I met in a sportsbar once who was at the Baseball Stadium that had the ill fated "Disco Demolition" that resulted in wholesale rioting.
Out of all these people in the place, I was the only one that remembered the event and when I asked him what it was like, he lit up like a Christmas Tree and told me all about it.  The point is, that up until that point he felt as if all the other folks that had witnessed that event had left the planet or something.  I myself, was at Tampa Stadium in 1977 when Led Zeppelin left the stage due to lightning and rain and the crowd tore the place to shreds, but I seldom meet anyone else that was there.  Now these are normal everyday experiences I am talking about, but when you tackle an experience as heavy as Straight, few people are willing to talk about it.  In the '60's the war was fought in the sweltering jungles of Vietnam.  In the 70's and 80's the war was brought home and fought in sweltering warehouses and we were the fodder that served the needs of the government.  I have returned to the warehouse that still houses a piece of my soul and the floor still bears hundreds of imprints of hundreds of chair legs that held hundreds of teens timeless while their lives were put on hold for the "convienience" of their gullible parents.
And then there is denial plain and simple.  What we went through is so unbelievable to most people and so hard to get across, most folks just bury it and move on.  After all that is the American Way.  I have been seeing a therapist for 14 damn years, and it was not until 2002, when Mike Sherman had the first conference in St. Pete, that I had something tangible to bring in to my therapist and discuss.  Up until that point, I figured that my therapist would wind up needing a therapist if I ever tried to bring up Straight.  The shit we went through is too heavy duty for even licensed professionals to deal with.  We are just as messed up in the head and heart as any Viet Nam Veteran ever was, only nobody knows and nobody cares.  Hopefully that all will change.
take care, and know that you are not alone.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 14, 2003, 12:54:00 AM
I was one of the brainwashed that helped open the Dallas SYNANON IN 1986.  I came from St. Petersburg on 4th phase. 6 months on 1st phase. Damn Bastards. Oh, I mean WIZARDS. I remember them torturing those victims (misbehavers). I saw the suicide attempts. I saw the carvings, the restraints. Told to turn the "f--around and look straight" as another one runs for the door. Now he's feeling the pain. Got to keep motivating like they are not insane. Lets have a song like zippidy-doo-da-day, want some pain today if you don't obey. Or BINGO i THINK WAS HIS NAME-O.  Two more head for the door. DESTROYED THEY ARE TAKEN AWAY. Only distant screams now. But its time to play their GAME. Don't get called on, you're blown away. The pack is hungry. Lets get in his face. Lets break him today. They attack. Lining them up its no mistake.  Lets break him today.  He won't obey. NOT THE PROGRAM (7 OR 12 STEPS) but their "GAME". So your brothers and sisters begin to show you how to play.  Lead by the leaders who have spun their spells.   One by One they come yelling with all their game.  I tell you no lies.  How could I?  Weren?t you there that day?  They have done well with their prey. They broke him today.  He is under their spell.  Hope you can take it its just been one day.  (I am guilty of their ways).  Have a seat we have more to feed upon today. OH, And by the way ?does the group have something to say?.


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I know the people you are asking about but have not kept in touch with anybody. I went on trainee for three months. They said i broke my 6 months. I felt something was up. I said i have to use the restroom and I never returned to the building.  The few that began Dallas hung out for awhile. We all began to fall. Some had during their program.
I will try to find out more. If anyone is
interested.
 
They lied i'm still alive.
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Post by: ehm on March 14, 2003, 12:54:00 PM
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Post by: mithygato on May 23, 2003, 08:13:00 PM
I was in Richardson Straight in 88/89.
I ran off after witnessing and enduring alot of mental and physical abuse.
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Post by: aboutagirl on May 24, 2003, 11:18:00 AM
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"I was in Richardson Straight in 88/89.

I ran off after witnessing and enduring alot of mental and physical abuse."



Yeah. I was 15 when I went into Straight. I had already been in another 18 month boot camp. I remember it being pretty horrible when I was there. I stuck around AA a year and a half after I graduated. I didn't do "After Care" though.

I was shooting heroin by 19. I went from normal teen-age rebel to shooting meth and junk and living on the streets before the age of 20. I had years of self destructive drug use and bad choices after Straight.

It's been a long hard road but I'm me again, after a long wait, and lots of time to heal from a lot more than just Straight, but that's another story... another time.

Nice to have a new name on the list -
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Post by: mithygato on May 31, 2003, 10:27:00 AM
To: Mo
or Princess Leah

Hey,

It sounds like Straight made you do even harder drugs to escape all the madness.
I remember 13 year olds in there hearing about how you shoot up drugs - I thought at the time wow I don't even know how to do that and I'm 17.
It was like prisoners teaching the youngins how to pick a lock or rob a bank.

That's horrible that it just got worse for you when you left - it was the same for me in some aspects.
It was the same for a lot of people I'm sure.
I hate those people so much it makes me want to scream.

You mentioned that you are you again and that's awesome.
Be strong and don't let anyone tell you what to do.
Since I found this site last week I have talked to a lot of people that express the same feelings as we do.

From the picture you posted of yourself and your daughter it looks like you've got a great life (Richardson string).
Take care and know that there are other survivors like us who honestly do care.  Hopefully programs like Straight will be killed off by people like us who know what it still feels like. . . even 14 years later.

Live for the day!
Peace and best wishes.
David
M.I.A
Straight Richardson Tx.  88/89 ::bwahaha2::
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Post by: ehm on May 31, 2003, 10:56:00 AM
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Post by: jason999 on June 09, 2003, 12:33:00 AM
All of us around still in Dallas should get together sometime for dinner... it'd be awesome to see some of you and fill in the last 10 or so years of blanks.
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Post by: ehm on June 09, 2003, 01:52:00 AM
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Post by: mithygato on June 09, 2003, 02:04:00 AM
Jason,

Glad to see another survivor from the Richardson prison.

Welcome to the board that lives to shut down such places, and keep future generations from being tormented. ::bwahaha2::
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Post by: Don Smith on June 09, 2003, 06:39:00 AM
I went on trainee for three months. They said i broke my 6 months. I felt something was up. I said i have to use the restroom and I never returned to the building.

I wish I had left off Staff like that.  I remember the day I completly lost the support of my Junior.  He told a Senior that he was going to bust his ass to help another Trainee make Junior. I was so stupid to think I could make Junior without his support, but I did.  What I should've done was write my resignation right then and there and left the building never to return.  If I had only known then what I know now. (((LOL)))

Don
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Post by: ehm on June 09, 2003, 09:02:00 AM
Don,
You were on staff in Dallas? I went in '86.
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Post by: jason999 on June 11, 2003, 03:37:00 PM
Thanks!

Good to see you too, although I'm not sure who ya are. :wink:


Mo: I forgot Angie, Anita & Bill's last names, but I know where they go to church..
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Post by: ehm on June 11, 2003, 05:09:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on June 12, 2003, 11:46:00 AM
Cool.

I need to locate the newest one of me with a mohawk to put up!

-j
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Post by: ehm on June 12, 2003, 12:01:00 PM
:wink:
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Post by: ehm on June 12, 2003, 12:04:00 PM
btw Jas - What church? Like address or even number would be awesome. I wanna locate some of my old friends...
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Post by: Don Smith on June 12, 2003, 03:28:00 PM
Mo,
   No I was on Staff in Cincinnati.

Don
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Post by: richardbradbury on June 13, 2003, 09:26:00 PM
I noticed your post.  Were you a client in the Texas Straight fraud organization?

If so, what time period?

Thank you, Rich
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Post by: ehm on June 13, 2003, 10:25:00 PM
Who are you asking?
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Post by: richardbradbury on June 13, 2003, 10:32:00 PM
I have a great deal of data regarding the crimes that took place in Texas.  I thought that the original poster would be interested.  However, I would be happy to speak with anyone who was there, Rich
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Post by: ehm on June 13, 2003, 10:47:00 PM
I am the original poster.
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Post by: ehm on June 13, 2003, 10:50:00 PM
I'm very interested in speaking with you regarding Texas. Richardson...Irving... I have not found much info on this and would like more.

I was in Richardson.
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Post by: mithygato on June 14, 2003, 04:03:00 AM
Rich,

Yea, there aren't many of us here on this post from Richardson or Irvin Texas.
Only a few that I've noticed - it's kind of wierd considering the other cities have so many . . .

No matter what city in which we were inprisoned, we all talk here and stuff.

Welcome to the board, it would be great to get together with any fellow misbehavor and shoot the sH*t!

Drink a few beers and go piss on that old building that used to scare so many.

Peace on Earth.

David
M.I.A.
Richardson 88/89 ::hehehmm::
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Post by: KIDSofEP on June 14, 2003, 11:13:00 AM
Does anyone know the addresses of both the Richardson and the Irving Straights?  I'd like to drive by and shoot some current pics sometime.  I snapped a few pics of my old program building (most at kidsofelpaso.com) once, it was a rather haunting experience.  I think all building pics should be archived somewhere of each of the synop facilities, past and present.  If wood and sheetrock could talk, those buildings would have stories to tell even beyond our scope of knowledge of events.  What happened before us, after us, behind closed doors, etc.  Within the walls of each of the former straights echoes confrontation, restraint, denial of fundamental human rights and priviledge, not to mention the memories that we share.

If anyone knows the addresses, please post them and I'll post links to the pics soon.  
Thanks in advance.

[ This Message was edited by: KIDSofEP on 2003-06-14 08:14 ]
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Post by: ehm on June 14, 2003, 02:06:00 PM
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Post by: ehm on June 14, 2003, 05:50:00 PM
The name of the street Richardson Straight was on is Executive Drive.
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Post by: mithygato on June 14, 2003, 10:21:00 PM
Hey Morli, :smile:

No offense taken at all.
We both know what went on in Richardson, for me it became a violent experience within 10 minutes entering The Group.

I too, would like to know more info. about those in charge, and more about staff names, admittance policies, crisis control and management, hiring req's., . . . those sorts of things.  If these people are still "practicing" they need to be watched.
From what I've learned, these replacement facilities seriously network with one another and have some of these "rehab's" former employees on payroll.

On a different note, sometimes I like to blame it on the SADD disorder, but Christmas and Thanksgiving simply don't represent the special meaning before Straight Inc.  Before yesterday, I hadn't seen my Dad since X-mas 2000, and even longer with my mom.  It's hard to get enthused around family and put your fake on, when you know they were laughing and having a great time - while I despatate, lonely, angry as Hell, and was considering hurting and/or killing my oldcomer with a toilet top and escaping that strange, filthy home.  Thanks to a few choice host families, X-mas songs make me sick to my stomach - almost physically.

One host family would actually take our food away if we didn't eat it in within 2-3 minutes.
Who am I, Homer Simpson?  When they took it from the newbies the parents actually laughed about it - it was a daily kick for them. They would also let everyone wrestle in the bedroom all the time. I remember one time I got so mad cause I had no desire to partake in that shit, that I shoved a guys head through the fucking window.
Parents weren't too happy.  I smiled all day.

To this day, while I do forgive my folks to some degree, I still find it impossible to believe that as grown adults (40+) in 1988, that they heard and witnessed all the violence and neglect and thought all was peachy keen.  I told them everything I had seen that I had buried deep down - even though I had been threatened by 5th phaseres and other 4th phasers not to say anything.
When I decided to plan my escape I told my parents everything a few days before I ran.  They were livid with me and didn't do anything but threaten to send me back to my probation officer IOW(jail).  Lucky for me they didn't know I was leaving in a few days when I got paid at work!

They were pissed even though they had seen the bruises appearing on my newbies, seen the dried blood on clothing, the unexplained swelling, CARVINGS on flesh.

So I was homeless until a former co-worker took me in. That person slipped me a mickey and I was abused me even more - but that's a much longer and different story.

Eventually, the folks did come to somewhat of a realization (not quite self-actualization, but we're all working on that one), that all those MI's they read at night, where my new comers were describing physical and emotional abuse in that building just might hold some truth.

Voila!  My folks let me come home.  Amazing, since we had yet to address the fact that I had run from a court order to be there.  They were now protecting me?  Hiding me? Telling me not to answer the door.  Stay inside where it's safe.

Today, if I bring up the subject they don't say anything.  I can't get but a word or two if that, more like a grunt.
This site though, has helped me look more to the future now, and letting some of the past go along with other survivors has helped.

Gotta agree with you about Texas.
With people like Dubya, Tom Delay, Rylander and the like, we have some of the biggest boneheaded politicians around.  Tom Delay probably scares his own Mom.

It would be awesome,however, to meet you and Rich (and anyone else from Richardson/Irving) who has found this forum, and who agrees that Straight was pure mind control.

Having a cookout at the lake and burning a few Straight Exec's at the stake maybe?  
That would be fun.


Peace to all.

David
Richardson 88/89

    It grieved me then and now grieves me again when I direct my mind to what I saw; and more than usual, I curb my talent, that it not run where virtue does not guide; so that, if my kind star or something better has given me that Gift, I not abuse it.
The Inferno - Dante Alighieri
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Post by: mithygato on July 20, 2003, 03:14:00 AM
Hey everybody,

I'm still damn curious why it seems that every other Straight has all these people describing their ordeal on this forum, yet so few responses from the Texas locations.

Is there anybody out there? ? ?
(besides myself, Morli, and Rich)

Also, why does such an especially violent and cruel Straight (I'm sure there were worse ones) have so many former "clients," and yet only a few have posted on this board. :question:

It troubles me.  It makes me wonder.

By the way, anyone with info. on the Tx. programs, I would love to read any documentation.
 

Peace you all.
David
Mithy
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Post by: Antigen on July 20, 2003, 12:43:00 PM
It's sort of the same with Sarasota. I only know of about half a dozen ppl who were in Sarasota and who have contacted any of us through these sites. But Sarasota branch was only open for around 3 years. Some other branches were open for over a decade. Texas and California branches were only around for, what, a year and a half or so?

He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion.
James Burgh 1774

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Post by: ehm on July 20, 2003, 12:56:00 PM
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Post by: glider on July 24, 2003, 03:25:00 AM
I still come here from time to time...
Executive Staff names I remember:
Amy Cameron
Mrs. Reiley
another women who was pregnant at one time, can't remember her name (help me?)
Ann Petito
Some guy that would come about once a month or so, he was a up there in Straight hierarchy(anybody know this dudes name?)

other staff
Craig McGinnis
Brad Miezel
Garrett Coy
Steve (short spikey blonde hair)
David Spitz (liked to torture animals)
Shelley (a good person)
Some girl from Florida who I hated, I think her name was Stephanie, short with black hair
Bob Burdman (who I know personally)
Ed Frimer (who I know personally)
Jennifer? ( a little bit heavy, very much a bitch)
Mike Whelhem
A brother and sister who were on for just a short time, very Texan

Hope this helps..
~John
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Post by: Anonymous on July 24, 2003, 03:35:00 AM
My name is Shannon, email me if you like.  [email protected]
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Post by: Anonymous on July 24, 2003, 03:39:00 AM
Oh my god!  I know all of those people!  Total Blast from the past.  My brother and I were there,  Me first and then him Shannon and Barry Adelman.  I know where to find Angie and Anita Nations, Brett Stocklman.  Marni and Mitzi Smith.
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Post by: glider on July 24, 2003, 03:47:00 AM
I almost forgot Warren Kenedy.
I actually liked Warren for what reason I'm not quite sure.  He was a true believer if there ever was one.
~John
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Post by: Anonymous on July 24, 2003, 03:48:00 AM
This is Shannon Adelman.  Lezlie!  I lived in your host home!  How are you?  Email me.  [email protected]
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Post by: BellaSatya on July 24, 2003, 01:02:00 PM
Angie, Anita and Bill Nations.  I heard that Angie is in Dallas and Anita is in Austin.  I think Bill is here Dallas too.
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Post by: Powerful Attitude on July 25, 2003, 02:23:00 AM
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"Oh my god!  I know all of those people!  Total Blast from the past.  My brother and I were there,  Me first and then him Shannon and Barry Adelman.  I know where to find Angie and Anita Nations, Brett Stocklman.  Marni and Mitzi Smith.



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I'D LIKE TO FIND BILL IF YOU COULD HOOK THAT UP. HIS 2 SISTERS WILL REMEMBER ME SO WILL THEIR MOTHER. TELL THEM VOELKER IS LOOKING FOR HIM. FOR THAT MATTER I WOULD BE GLAD TO SEE ALL OF THEM. I'LL BE WATCHIN FOR THIS ONE.

I'M TALKING THE NATIONS' I COULD ALSO STAND TO SEE MITZI I KNOW HER WHOLE STORY. SHE'S FROM ST. PETE, SHE HOLDS THE SAME TIME I DO. SHE KNOWS ALL THE STORIES I DO.


PA
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Post by: BellaSatya on July 25, 2003, 11:33:00 PM
Your last name sounds familiar to me.  What is your first name?
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Post by: ehm on July 29, 2003, 12:09:00 AM
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Post by: nicoleesther on August 07, 2003, 04:01:00 AM
HI John,

I am from So CAl Straight...I was there in 1990...Read my profile...I was responsible or shutting them down!!!! I would like to hear more about your So CAl experience....

Nicole
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Post by: jackie on August 07, 2003, 04:45:00 AM
hi nicole i dont know you , but theres someplace id like to see shut down if not held accountable.....if you could email me and we could talk and you could tell me how you did it i would appreciate it....hopefully talk to you soon....jackie
[email protected]

no s on the waterfall :silly:
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Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2003, 12:06:00 AM
Richardson  ::armed::  87-89
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Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2003, 12:42:00 AM
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whoever this is, i should know you. lesli eberstein was my name.  :wave: hi.
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Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2003, 06:02:00 PM
Lesli,

    I remember you.  I was one of the Midlanders.  Do you remember the Midland people.  We have some dead, some in prison, some here and others who moved off or never came back.  to name a few, did you know Steve Chriswell, Spencer Cell, Hunter&Allison Isabell, Clayton Williams Jr.(his dad ran for governor against Ann Richards), Mary Evis, Brad Lentz, Phil Courtney, Jeff&Christy Dodd, Keith&Shane Mansell, Dawn Beverage, Stacy Moore, Vallery Holt or Brad Brashiers?
We had a family services center here.
GEORGE BUSH JR. & COCAINE???  It was mostly B-12, he got ripped off. :lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2003, 12:41:00 AM
Here are some names of people that are still around from Dallas:

Garrett Caughey
Lisa Speers (Woods)
Dawn Beverage (Elliott)
Jeff Turner
James Tennyson
Andy Bomberger
Cameron Riley
David Tompkins
Will Woods
The Nations
Craig McGinnis
Bobby Gilbert(last I heard was in CA)
Mark Gould (CA also last I heard)
Steve Brooks (lost touch)
Bret Stockelman (in CO, married with baby)

Probably know more, that is off top of my head.  I talk to a lot of these people at once a year.  Others I speak to almost weekly.

Let me know if you need info on any of them.  I will not disclose contact info without checking with them first.  Some people have decided to put Straight behind forever and I respect that.
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Post by: Carmel on September 09, 2003, 11:21:00 AM
Hey Anon,

Dont kow who you might be, but I recognize many of the names you have listed.

The only one I speak to still is Marque Gould, he is indeed living in California now.  Most of the names I recognize were staff members when I was in.  1990 or so, most of that year anyhow.  Welcome to the board.  Its great to see more people from Dallas coming around, there arent very many who are frequent.  I would love to chat and hear about how some of these people are doing now.  [email protected] is my address, I will send you a private e-mail as well.

Carmel
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Post by: BellaSatya on September 09, 2003, 01:32:00 PM
I know almost all of those people from Midland and I really am curious them.  You say some went to jail, some are dead?  Who, tell me more.  I was very close to a few of them and would like to know where they are.  Tell us what you know about the people on your list.

Also...  I know all of the people on ANON's Dallas list.  We were all together for the bulk of our programs minus a few that were staff when I got there.  I would be very interested to know who you are ANONYMOUS.  I have a sneaking suspicion I know but email me please.

My name is Shannon Adelman.  I was in Dallas Straight somewhere between 85-88 (not good with dates).  I was in Straight for two years.  My brother was there too.  His name is Barry.

[email protected]
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Post by: Lixor on September 09, 2003, 03:45:00 PM
Sorry the anonymous post earlier.  I was not signed up.  I am Will Woods.  

Just let me know who you would like to know more about from the list and I will tell you what I can.

BTW..good to see your still around Shannon.  How is Barry?

Carmel..I will look for your email.

Will
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Post by: BellaSatya on September 09, 2003, 06:35:00 PM
Will!  How are you?  Its good to see your still around as well.   I will go ahead and email you instead of posting my message.

Shannon
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Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2003, 03:02:00 AM
Lost touch with Steve Brooks?  He was/is in El Paso state jail with Brad Brashiers.  Brad recently got out.  Shane Mansell and Jimmy Haggard have been in prison since they were 18 and I doubt they'll ever get out.  Will Ferrin killed himself shortly after his discharge and two other kids who's name I can't remember died from dope.  Phil Courtney lives in Colorado and Jeff Dodd in Houston.  Vallery Holt and Todd Townley are married and live here now.  Last time I saw Steve Chriswell was drunk down in Lower Greenville.
Hey, What happened to no talking behind backs?
Your all started over!
WILL WOODS,  I bet I can beat you at tic tac toe now. ::trophy::
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Post by: Lixor on September 10, 2003, 09:41:00 AM
LOL..I am the tic-tac-toe champion!!!

That is so funny, I forgot all about doing that.

It is awful to see so many of those guys having a rough go at it.  However it is refreshing to see the ones that are doing well.

We need to play tic-tac-toe online sometime.

Will
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Post by: BellaSatya on September 10, 2003, 01:28:00 PM
So what about Stacy Moore?  I went to her wedding years and years ago but have lost her since then.  My mom and her dad dated for a long time during my lengthy stay at Straight.  Gosh, Valerie Holt, she was my newcomer.  I have some really cute first phase pics of her.  Tell her hello if you see her.


Peace,
Shannon
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Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2003, 08:55:00 PM
I am not sure about Stacy Moore, but Stacy Jordon is still sexy as ever.  Do you remember Stacys dad's first name.  We have a judge Moore that looks alot like her dad.  I think about asking him if his daughter is Stacy every time I see him at court or at the bar.  I got my last two charges dropped so I distance the personnal.  But when I see him and the DAs at the bar I buy em drinks,  ::drummer::
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Post by: BellaSatya on September 12, 2003, 12:06:00 AM
Reagon Youth...  I just saw your email and remembered who you are.  Tall, slim fellow with brown hair and it seems like you got confronted quite a bit???  If I have the right guy, hello and, I apologize for yelling at you in our previous life.

Also, I think Stacy's dads name is Ken Moore.

Peace,
Shannon
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Post by: wesfager on September 12, 2003, 12:30:00 AM
Please write me about Will Ferrin's suicide.

Thanks,
[email protected]
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Post by: glider on September 12, 2003, 04:46:00 AM
Regan Youth/Tim,
I remember you well, you were a 5th phase Trainee when I was in Dallas.  I'm glad to see you on the boards. Do you know what happened to Brad Mizel? Last time I saw Bob B. and Ed F. they seemed to be doing alright. I'm John W. from Seattle (living in Portland now..)
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Post by: animals all of us on September 13, 2003, 03:41:00 PM
I did my time in the Pinellas program but I was raised in Texas.  So, when I returned to Tyler I found that an acquaintance I knew of had been in the Dallas program.  She was in there under a year but she said it was pretty traumatic.
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Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2003, 09:17:00 AM
Shannon, ya got me pegged.  I graduated a week before Barry in Richardson.  Barry was the last commencee before the move to Irving.  Yes I got yelled at a lot, some times were warrented, like when I started a fight at school and when I skipped school on 4th phase to shop at the mall,  I would have got confronted any where for that.  But a review for playing Ozzy on my guitar?? come on.....I don't hold any grudges though,  despite the no TV & Radio, set backs and censorship I went on to record 3 albums, tour the US, receive music schloarships which got me an AA degree from Midland College, and I worked as a sound engineer for the University of North Texas Music Dept :smokin:

WES:  will you add spellcheck to this thing?
Jimmy Haggard, Clayton Williams Jr. and Will Ferrin had big media profiles here after Straight.  Jimmy Haggard and Keith Mansell had a pending law suit against Straight Dallas when they closed their doors.  Plus there's still people and things I havn't brought up yet.  I've been planning to get with you on it.  I say fuck the book, lets call Hollywood and make a movie starring Will Woods.........Will, where are ya?  Will you ask Andy Bomburger to write me, remind him about the old man threaten to ruin our weekend with an ass woopin at Panchos' after staff training one Saturday afternoon.

Mike: Portland huh?  Have you been to the skate park there?  Have you heard Zeke From Seattle?  They freakin rock.  I went to Brads Bachlor party and haven't seen much of him since.  Do you remember the black kid in our group named Emmit.  his brother shot the cop in downtown Dallas and then got shot by a bunch of cops in downtown Dallas.  Brad blasted him for not sharing his emotions about the whole thing.  Brad is drinking those memories away.
And yes, I was on staff for 6 months in Irving till Craig Mcginnis fired me, but it was Ed Frimers fault. (another long story)  I've ran into a lot of pissed off people from those upper phases and staff days.

everyone else...... :wave:
 :wave:  :wave:                 :wave:

P.S.  Shannon,  What email :???:


Timothy Vaughn Kemp
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Post by: Lixor on September 15, 2003, 12:36:00 PM
Wow...Tim (Timmy) Kemp, good to see you doing well.

I am still in the Dallas area.  I will get in touch with Andy for you.  He is also still in Dallas and doing well.

A movie...lol!

Take care,

Will
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Post by: KIDSofEP on September 15, 2003, 02:02:00 PM
Does anyone know of the girl that lived in Colleyville,TX. that was in the Irving STRAIGHT that hung herself??
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Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2003, 07:47:00 PM
Will Ferrin is actually Will Farrin.  (mispelling)  His suicide was not shortly after straight, it was apx 5 years afterward.  According to my research it was NOT Straight related.  
Shane Mansell was also a plantiff in the suit against Straight Dallas.
Jimmy Haggard is schduled to parole within the next month.

P.S.  Lesli aka morli,  Are you forwarding my emails :razz:
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Post by: BellaSatya on September 15, 2003, 10:17:00 PM
I meant your email address...  Not your email. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Shannon
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Post by: BellaSatya on September 16, 2003, 07:05:00 PM
Okay, I know I have asked this before but no one has replied.  Does anyone remember Denny Debourbon :question: :question:   I was told that he was murdered and I cant find anyone to confirm or deny...  He was in Straight with most of us around 85 to 88. I miss him.  

Peace,
Shannon

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Post by: abomberger on September 16, 2003, 07:32:00 PM
I completely remember Denny. He got out early .
Jason Moyer and Paul Fox were good friends of his. As far as is he alive or dead I have no clue.

Oh I sent you an e-mail today also.

This is Andy Bomberger. I was in Straight in 88-89 .
It is really good to see all of these names, and to see people reaching out to one another its really cool.
I am still in contact with quite a few people, namely Garrett. He and I talk at least once a week if not more .I still see James Tennison , Jeff Turner, Paul Fox , Angie & Anita , Shelly Beavers, Ellen Savage , Will Woods and so on,I found out about this site via Will talking to Garrett.I think it is awesome , and I have added it to my favorites list so I can keep an eye on it .
I will make some calls and see what I can find out and Denny .

Thanks ,
Andy
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Post by: BellaSatya on September 16, 2003, 08:41:00 PM
Andy,

I emailed you back a little while ago.  I saw Ellen a few years ago but never really kept in touch.  I would love to see Angie and Anita though.  The twins might know about Denny. What ever happened to Tim Savelle?  Good to hear from you.  Write me again.  Tell everyone you are still in touch with that I said hello and feel free to give out my email.  Oh, and if you see Shelly give her a huge hug for me!

Peace,
Shannon

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Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2003, 04:13:00 AM
Andy B.

Today being Saturday, that makes tommarrow Sunday and the next day ?????????????

tim
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Post by: abomberger on September 17, 2003, 01:10:00 PM
Today being Saturday? where are you ? where I am sitting it is Wensday!
How are you. How have you been.
I am new to these boards So I look forward to touching base with you guys.

Thanks,
 Andy
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Hi Andy!!!
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Post by: abomberger on September 17, 2003, 02:36:00 PM
Oh My God,
That is why that name ws so familar,
Trip out. How are you , where are you?
It has been years since I have seen you , last time I think was at a coffee shop or a bar ?
Wow I look forward to hearing from you .
I was just talking to Shannon about Melodie last night.


Trip out,I look forward to hearring from you
                Andy

P.S.
What happened to Pat ?
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Post by: BellaSatya on September 17, 2003, 11:24:00 PM
Morli,

Didnt Tim say that Steve Brooks was still in a jail in El Paso??  Maybe we can find him that way.  If we find the place, and he is actually there, would you be interested in mailing him a letter?  If so then I would be happy to help you find him.  It would be fun.  I love to track people down.

Peace,
Shannon
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Post by: abomberger on September 17, 2003, 11:58:00 PM
Hey All,
Congrats on getting married, thats awesome .
You sound as if you are doing well.
As far as steve I heard that he got out and is in san antonio isnt that where his mom was ?
I heard from Angie an Anita that he was working in a kitchen or somthing there , like a chef ?
I will have to ask them the next time I see them.

I am courious you said I look like Mr. Pitt?
I hate that grrrrrr!!!!!!!! I guess it could be worse.

Look forward to hearing from you agin,
       Andy
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Post by: BellaSatya on September 19, 2003, 03:01:00 AM
Yeah Andy, as far as the Brad Pitt thing...  It really could be a ton worse. :roll: <---sarcasm  

But now we have to see a picture!
No really we just wanna see if ya grew'd up nice -n- all.

Morli, I wish we could all come to your wedding too!  I will be thinking of you, you really deserve this happy day. Do you remember Steve's middle name and his age?

Peace,
Shannon
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Post by: abomberger on September 19, 2003, 10:06:00 AM
OK OK OK , I will see what I can do.
More later,

See You Soon,
Andy
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Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2003, 12:01:00 PM
I have some I can post of Andy...would never do that though. :smile:

Good to see you on here.  Also I am the one that told Morli you look like Brad Pitt.  Sorry for stirring it up.

Will
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Post by: abomberger on September 19, 2003, 04:51:00 PM
I had a feeling , all in good fun .
Good to see you on here as well.
We should hook up for coffee somtime and catch up on old times , Fond memories and lots of laughs .
With all the history between us it saddens me at this point we havent kept in better touch .
Time does heal alot ,

Take Care,
Andy
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Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2003, 10:06:00 AM
The first post straight deaths I heard were of Cassey Aldridge and Eddie Sanchez, both drug related.  I heard the same about Denny D being murdered.  I have heard alot in the last 13 years.  

Tyler Dirgan, it's Saturday, that makes tommarrow Sunday and maybe you'll remember this whole thing by Monday.  Still got that mustang?
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Post by: ehm on September 20, 2003, 10:57:00 AM
Speaking of Chuck Palahniuk, I have a good friend whose mother and her (mother's) boyfriend (Chuck's dad) were murdered together by her psycho ex-boyfriend. Really sad... :razz:
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Post by: abomberger on September 20, 2003, 02:26:00 PM
I am looking I promise, The guy I was talking about was Tim Nixon, who killed his mom. I think you guys would remember him?
I only heard stories.

More Later,
Andy
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Post by: BellaSatya on September 20, 2003, 03:56:00 PM
Marni Smith (Marni and her sister Mitzi were in Straight too, Im sure some of you remember them) and I were just talking just last night about the 'dead mom in the trunk' thing and she even said it was Tim Savelle that did that.  We need some facts here.  I want to know for sure, dont you guys?? How do we find out?  I bet the Nations would know because Bill and Tim Savelle were roommates for a long time.  Andy, I dont remember Tim Nixon, should I?


 :wave:
Shannon
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Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2003, 08:16:00 PM
Pretty sure it was Tim Nixon...almost positive actually.

No way to know for sure.  Could probably check Dallas Morning New archives or obits.

Cya,

Will
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Post by: BellaSatya on September 20, 2003, 09:10:00 PM
I don't remember Tim Nixon and I wouldnt wish that horrible situation on anyone. I really hope it isn't Tim Savelle though.  He was a nice guy from what I remember.

Shannon
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Post by: BellaSatya on September 20, 2003, 10:17:00 PM
Okay, my apologies everyone...  Marni just came over and when I reminded her about Tim Nixon, she felt really silly and said that it wasnt Tim Savelle, it was Tim Nixon.  Just needed to clear that up.

Shannon
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Post by: Anonymous on September 22, 2003, 06:13:00 AM
Tim Nixon was from Plano, but spent a lot of his program in Orlando because he kept jettin(copping out).  Moving repeat escapees across the crountry was a common practice.  Same move was done to cop out king, Garrett Caughey.
Tim Nixon was brought back to Dallas once he reached 4th phase, left again, than brought back, started over and started misbehaving.
After the murder Phil Courtney received a letter from Tims attorney asking Phil to testify on Tims behafe claiming that Tim Nixons drug problem was responible for the murder.  I am sure others got simular letters.
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Post by: Antigen on September 29, 2003, 08:43:00 PM
Any of you Tehans remember a guy named Tom Coleman?

The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.
-- John Adams, (1772)

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Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2003, 07:41:00 AM
Yo, Phil Courtney here. Just get over this shit motherfuckers. Seriously, the more you dwell on this shit, the longer you're putting off living your life. None of us can change anything that has happened back then. That is a fact. Life goes on no matter what we have been through. Make your life full, live life the best you can everyday. If you live in the past you can never realise the true meaning of life. Be freakin happy, love someone like you want to be loved. Let the pain go and have a full and productive life. Of course we all have a lot in common in respect to what we have been through, I'm not denying anyone that. What we all owe each other is to not perpetuate this BS. WE all know what happened, at least we are now free to choose our own destiny. Yeah I got the shit kicked out of me, I was psycologicaly abused like eveyone else. I understand all the resentment, but you have to move on to have some semblence of a normal life. Anger will beat you down and make you miserable, trust me I've lived it. It's an ugly and hurtfull road to be on. I really hope I can help someone from going through the shit I've been through the past ten freakin years. Lets all get together and have a beer and remember what it means to be human and alive. Any responses can be sent to my agent Tim Kemp. Take care lost ones.  PHIL
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Post by: Carmel on November 09, 2003, 12:47:00 PM
Hmmm...last time I checked my life was pretty full.....I wouldnt say that dwelling on Straight was my thing either.  In fact, I dont really blame my experience there for any of the problems I have these days....except that maybe being there changed my path a bit and led me the long way around to fulfillment.  Things would have been different had I been able to go to school, to be in contact with my mother....matter of fact, I worked my program like a champ until the day I left.....never thought about Straight a day since until I came across this board.

I do believe that fulfillment is a choice....we all have it in us to get past everything we have been through.....but there isnt anything wrong with being a little afraid to make that choice.

And also Phil, keep in mind that this is STILL happening to kids.  It would be easier to focus on ourselves as you recommend if it werent.  If indeed we owe it to each other not to perpetuate this "BS", we owe it even more so to the kids still out there bleeding on the floor.

I am free, I am in control of my destiny, I do love life and everything in it....but now I have the power to possibly help some kids away from that long way around life, you know?  I view that as helping others with what I have learned as well.
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Post by: Antigen on November 09, 2003, 01:25:00 PM
Greetings Phil,
 
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On 2003-11-09 04:41:00, Anonymous wrote:

 WE all know what happened, at least we are now free to choose our own destiny.


That's what I thought for about 18 years after making my break. After 10 years of Program life for my family, two years in Straight for me, the whole thing culminated in a 2 hr intake at LIFE. That ended w/ the ultimatum; sign in or walk out of here and never darken our door again. I took option #2 without a second thought and have never regretted it.

So here I am, just ambling along, raising kids and stuff and really happy with most of my choices. But little things kept bugging me. When my oldest kid was in grade school, I learned all about DARE. Well, I didn't learn all about DARE back then. Just the stuff the parents are allowed to know. Years later, I found out that creepy feeling I'd written off to leftover Program paranoia at the time was justified. Betty Sembler, founder of Straight, is closely affiliated with DARE. In fact, there's a long list of spooky drug war programs and agencies w/ which the Semblers are closely affiliated.

At the bottom of it, we don't have the choice our parents did to just reject the Program. We pay for their advertising, we subsidize piss testing in workplaces and schools. We pay for DARE cops to indoctrinate as many school kids as they can and to cultivate snitches. Our Atty Gen. is among the devout, too. I'm not talking about his fundamental Christian beliefs. I'm talking about the Institute of Basic Life Principles, which runs thought reform 'schools' for naughty fundie children who listen to devil music or let Satan in in the form of a hit off a joint.

Just look at what these whack jobs have been able to accomplish in South Carolina
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/ ... 2492.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/07/national/main582492.shtml)

Nice, huh? Did they do raps in Dallas about taking over the world? I remember a few of those at Sarasota and a lot of that kind of talk at The Seed in Ft. Lauderdale. They weren't joking and they weren't delusional about it, friend. They meant it and they have the means.

If it were really over, I wouldn't be talking about it all these years later.

I am married, not Buried !
-- Steve Webb

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Post by: Antigen on November 09, 2003, 01:46:00 PM
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1737/a08.html (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1737/a08.html)

Isn't the logic a little familiar here? The kids are doing OK. The parents aren't too worried. Everyone's getting along just fine, but the drug nazis see that as a problem to be solved. "We must get these kids and parents involved in snitching on eachother and convince them that drugs are the root of all evil!"

If you care to watch this story unfold, I predict they'll address the 'problem' of parents lack of involvement in the new Stazi by cultivating a snitch or two among the kids and then snatching up some of the parents in a sting operation.

"Now, I'm a walking dead man," ... "And what bothers me is that I'm dead because I tried to help the kids. And it's all the fault of all those people over there at the DEA." [Dead Man Talking]


--Ben Guillory

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Post by: Antigen on November 09, 2003, 02:56:00 PM
Back in the `80's, President George Büsh declared Straight, Inc. to be one of the "Thousand Points of Light". At least I wasn't allowed to watch tv at the time. Thank God for small favors, eh?


But there's good news, too. Here's an inspiring story out of Ashland, Ky:

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1737/a09.html (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1737/a09.html)

And here's my response:

Dear neighbors,
  I think Bob Jessie owes Councilman Berry and the public a better answer than what he gave you. When asked how Grayson has benefited from the FADE program, all he has to show are high numbers of arrests and investigations. The question was not "How much effort have we invested so far?" but "What did we get for it?"

  I'm not from Ashville, but I've seen this song and dance before. These carpet baggers come to town and tell us that drugs are the root cause of all the crime, vice and misery in our lives. We're told that we MUST mortgage the farm, if we have to, to fight the scourge of drugs. So we give over our tax money, our officers and even accept as necessary things like paid anonymous informants and out of area officers investigating local people. After all, it's all in the name of fighting crime, vice and misery, right?

  But, when we ask to see the results, instead of showing us a reduction in crime, vice and misery, they show us impressive looking arrest numbers. Meanwhile, the officers on the street struggle to keep up with increasing crime, vice and misery; much of it related to the upset in the community caused by all taskforce activities and investigations. Same thing's happening here in Monessen, PA. Are your local jails way over budget too? Are your councilmen asking for a tax hike of some sort to cover it? Same here.

  Kudos to Chief Hill for not falling for the bait and switch. I think it's Councilman Berry who needs to be replaced. There is only one proven way to shut down a black market. We had all these same problems during alcohol prohibition and we solved most of them by repealing prohibition.

Respectfully submitted for publication,
Ginger Warbis
--------->8 snip!
[contact info for verification]

I hope they print it. It's 299 words, but sometimes a small town paper will be a little more flexible with their column inch alottment.


I think we should reclaim the slogan and declare Chief Hill a point of light!


It will be generally found that those who sneer habitually at human nature and affect to despise it, are among its worst and least pleasant examples

--Charles Dickens



_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
   10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
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Post by: jnloar on November 19, 2003, 04:44:00 AM
I am not the original poster but I was in Dallas Straight for almost two years and would be interested in communicating with you - especially if you happen to know what happened to all the client files.
Thanks,
Jennifer
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Post by: jnloar on November 19, 2003, 11:34:00 PM
Les,
It made me so happy to read many of your posts and know you are such a survivor.  I actually sent you a few emails privately through this site.  Did you recieve them?  Let me know as I had a few answers to some of your questions and a few of my own as well.  So many congrats on your recent wedding - you are more than deserving.
Jennifer
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Jennifer,
     I received your request to join Straight Inc. Alumni but the e-mail got kicked back.  Which branch of Straight were you in?

Don
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Post by: jnloar on November 21, 2003, 06:08:00 AM
Don,
I was in Straight Dallas 5-87 through 12-88.  Anything else you need just let me know.
Jennifer
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Post by: Anonymous on November 22, 2003, 01:38:00 PM
I was placed in the Dallas program for 13 months, I am interested in speaking with you.  I can be reached at [email protected]
PDR
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Post by: Anonymous on November 22, 2003, 01:55:00 PM
I'm sitting hear laughing at your post in reguards to drinking a few beers and pissing on that building because I've actually done that. Serveral times, come to think of it. I'd like to hear your input on Dallas people and how they are doing. Many that I would like to speak with before my time on this planet is over. I can be reached at [email protected]
PDR
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Post by: groovy1634 on December 02, 2003, 01:22:00 AM
was there in 91'....i was lucky and walked  :grin:
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On 2003-08-25 15:02:00, Reagon Youth wrote:

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    I remember you.  I was one of the Midlanders.  Do you remember the Midland people.  We have some dead, some in prison, some here and others who moved off or never came back.  to name a few, did you know Steve Chriswell, Spencer Cell, Hunter&Allison Isabell, Clayton Williams Jr.(his dad ran for governor against Ann Richards), Mary Evis, Brad Lentz, Phil Courtney, Jeff&Christy Dodd, Keith&Shane Mansell, Dawn Beverage, Stacy Moore, Vallery Holt or Brad Brashier

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Hey Brad, how are you?  I remember you.  My name is Shannon Adelman, my brother Barry and I were in Straight with you.  Sorry to hear you had some troubles after Straight, I think most of us did. So, how long has it been since you saw Steve Brooks?  Some of us were wondering if he was still in prison. Let me know how you are doing.  Feel free to email.

Peace,
Shannon
[email protected]
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Post by: taureana on January 12, 2004, 10:28:00 PM
I was in Dallas for 10 months, both in Richardson and in Irving.  My intake date, get this:  08/08/88.  I copped out at the end of May 1989 when I turned 18.



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Post by: taureana on January 12, 2004, 10:59:00 PM
I was Kelly Clark, now Kelly Grzyb.

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Post by: BellaSatya on January 12, 2004, 11:16:00 PM
Kelly,

My name is Shannon Adelman.  Was I one of your oldcomers?  Your name is really familiar.  Do you have any old or new pictures of yourself?  Feel free to email me.

[email protected]

Peace,
Shannon
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Post by: Therion on January 13, 2004, 12:43:00 AM
Hi Kelly, I remember you. Think you had a hard time when you arrived..well who didn't?

 I guess if you were raised in a Korean PoW camp you might could just meld right in to straight...

 Some other names you may remember. Heather Hill..and her brother Ben? (I lived in their house but his name is foggy although I can picture them) Valerie Holt...and her friend...she had like a dark haired girl that was her close friend in the program and she sticks out in my mind because she had a scorpion removed from her hand (tattoo) I have photographic memory and names and numbers behoove me..but I can see things in my mind to a T. ( I even remember the 5th step sign had a food stain on it)
 Anyway my name is Brad Beshears..and I more than likely started school just a month or so into your program...ao dont know how well you remember me if at all...I was pulled the day after X mas or new years..(actually I think Xmas in the building was my last day)  :wave:  :wave:
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Post by: jason999 on January 13, 2004, 01:24:00 AM
And you too, Kelly!

Any people in Dallas interested in meeting up, another party at my house in Dallas is upcoming.

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for more information.

---jason
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Post by: Therion on January 13, 2004, 02:00:00 AM
Haha you look the same man..I remember when you copped out and came back with shirt all fucked up
and a mohawk...baaahaha they ripped your ass so bad man..of course I didint..I never got into that shit..which is why my program was so long..

 I suppose me and Timmy can drive down there..but fundage may be tight...and dont know if we could get hotel..and dont wanna drive back to Midland all fucked up. We can look into it though...e mail me..Ill pm the e mail infos
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Post by: taureana on January 13, 2004, 07:34:00 AM
Yeah, I had a hard time when I first got there.  One Friday night we were leaving and I saw my mom in the parking lot.  I didn't know that after open meeting the parents had there own shit to go through too.  So when we left and I saw my mom in the parking lot I was really confused as to why she was still there.  I was like, Hey, that's my mom.  And Jen Loar was my oldcomer and she said all spitefull and crap "Well don't look at her."  So I wigged out and was trying to open the door and stuff and I think I just basically had a nervous breakdown right there.  I hadn't seen my mom for 2 months before she put me in Straight, and then to have some bitch tell me not to not even look at her, well, that was more than I could stand.  So I got slammed by a bunch a 5th phaser guys in the parking lot.  I screamed so loud and hard that I broke all the blood vessels in my neck.  The next day it looked like I had a bunch of hickeys all over my neck.  I think I blew out a vocal chord that night too.

I know Valarie Holt.  She married Todd Townley.  They had two kids and I think they're now separated.  My mom and his mom were best friends for years and they still keep in touch.  Last I heard, she said that Todd was moving in with her (Smithville, TX), but didn't say anything about Val and the kids.  I asked her about it and she never replied.  



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Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2004, 07:50:00 AM
I dont doubt that you may have needed treatment...but I think a center other than Straight could have saved your life and not left you emotionally scarred.

 Because that shit was just not right.

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You know, after giving it a lot of thought, I wonder if I am still programmed to believe that Straight saved my life.  My main reason for doing drugs is because my dad did drugs and druggies were the only people that accepted me for who I was.  They didn't care about the brand of clothes that I wore and they didn't make fun of me.  I just didn't know how to say no.  To anything.  I had been sexually abused for years by my father and my grandfather, and I wasn't allowed to say no.  And honestly, Straight didn't teach me how to say no either.  My life has just been one great big growth process after another.  And every so often I look back and think about how out of control I was at different periods of my life.  

I never knew that people still used acid until I went into straight.  And then I got stood up because I wasn't motivating to confront Patrick because he didn't look like an acid dealer.  Well, he was one.  But at that time I thought that LSD was only something that hippies did in the 60's.  I had no clue that it was still around.  So I got out of straight and ended up changing my drug of choice of beer to acid and xtc.  So at 20 yrs old I'm eating 7 hits of acid in one night.  Then at 26 I'm smoking blunts alone every night before I go to bed.  Then at 28 I attempt suicide and end up in lock down at a psych ward.  (Then God for health insurance.)

Right now my life is more sane than it has ever been and I owe most of that to my husband.  I met him two months after I got out of the hospital.  He is the one person who has truly empowered me and helped me to see that I don't have to do anything I don't want and fuck the rest.  He calls me his supermodel on a daily basis and has helped me to see that the bottom line isn't love, it's respect.  And I haven't needed anti-depressents since we met.  So maybe he's the one that saved my life and not straight.  Thanks Brad for your insight.
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Post by: jason999 on January 13, 2004, 11:59:00 AM
I just chopped off my last mohawk about a month ago. :smile:

You and Timmy should come to mi casa!  You guys can crash on the futons/sleeper sofas!

-jason
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Post by: Therion on January 13, 2004, 06:18:00 PM
NONONO!! That "druggie friend" thing is part of their program its bullshit!!!!

OK say for instance...Is some dude that I buy heroin from..and only know as my heroin dealer gonna really care about me? fuck no...But do I care about him? no...But we arent friends ..thats business...Just like the checker at the grocery store doesnt care about you..buy your shit and go..and thats that..

Now lets say..my best friend...who according to straight is a d5ruggie friend...we have done all kinds of drugs and got drunk thousands of times..do I care what happens to him? yes and vice versa...we have done fucktons of dope together...but hes also the first person thatll put me up if Im homeless (and yes..I was homeless for 4 years) And during those days...my druggie friends helped me when my own family wouldnt...

I usually dont even use that term "druggie friend" ...that was a brainwashing trick to get you to seperate them in your mind from the oh so caring Straight friends. And Im sorry but most of you straight people treated me way fucking worse than any druggie ever did. Im not gonna say names to diferentiate...but theres straight people that I like and theres straight people that I would hit in the head with a fucking lead pipe..

 You must understand...everything that was done in Straight was done for a single purpose..3 or 4 central figures came up with alll that shit.Miller Newton and whoever the other few were..

 Dont you get it? you werent gonna die..everything you have done since then you owe to you...not them...
 Did you Graduate? If not...you should be dead!! according to them..so they themselves took their own credit away for that..

 The only thing positive I got from straight is that nothing shocks me...and I am stronger person for having endured all that shit...

 I could go on about negatives....for those 2 positives I just listed I have pages of problems that came from it....and my lists look about the same as the graduates...

 One of the worst things that came from it that I cant shake are that...I can become uncontrollably mean and snap on people....and I hate myself...
  Thanks Straight
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Post by: taureana on January 13, 2004, 11:27:00 PM
Brad:  Were you like 13 or 14 when you got put into straight?  I think about that and kids like Greg Peay who was 12.  My oldest daughter is going to be 13 in May.  I can't imagine subjecting her to that kind of torment.  Hell, I was 17 when I got put in.  I'd been living on my own and working to support myself and putting my mother through so much crap.  For a long time, I felt like I deserved Straight.  But I just can't imagine how a little 13 year old kid could deserve a place like that.
Maybe that's why I got into counseling after I left Straight.  I wanted to save kids.

I worked at a place called Sundown Ranch in Canton, TX that was absolutely beautiful!  They had an oldfashioned school house and horses and cows.  A pond they could fish out of that had a pair of black swans and turtles popping their heads out.  They had a vegetable garden.  Every Friday we would have this huge barbeque cranked up cooking brisket.  And we'd play volleyball in between raps.  They even had a couple of llamas.  Sometimes I would take the kids on this long hike to this hill that made you feel like you were on top of the world.  And they hated it.  The kids complained about how hard the program was and how bad it sucked being there.  And I just wanted to ring their freaking little necks, because they had a paradise compared to where we were.  Once in a great while, I would tell them about Straight and remind them to thank God every night when they went to bed that there was no more Straight in Dallas!
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Post by: Therion on January 14, 2004, 12:19:00 AM
Yes I was the youngest kid in straight until Greg Peay came in thus making me 2nd youngest.
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Post by: Therion on January 14, 2004, 12:27:00 AM
I wasnt put into straight...I checked myself in.
 Lets just say I had family problems and was miserable and wanted to get away from them..this lady named Nancy Anderson cme to talk to me and lied her ass off to get me to go...(she worked as straight recruiter)
 I was told and I quote " You will get to go stay in Dallas with a nice family...and be with other kids who understand what you are going through....you can go to Six Flags on the weekend.." And me having no reason not to trust her I went...after my intake I asked to use the phone..but it was too late...

 I was 12...a virgin..had smoked pot a few times mabey...what small amount of alcohol I had drank came from my parents Liquor. After the head job they did to me I turned into a heroin addict shortly after I got out when I was 16..am 30 now and still on methadone....
 ..and any hopes of me having a normal life are fucked..And I want answers.

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Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2004, 03:42:00 AM
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NONONO!! That "druggie friend" thing is part of their program its bullshit!!!!



OK say for instance...Is some dude that I buy heroin from..and only know as my heroin dealer gonna really care about me? fuck no...But do I care about him? no...But we arent friends ..thats business...Just like the checker at the grocery store doesnt care about you..buy your shit and go..and thats that..



Now lets say..my best friend...who according to straight is a d5ruggie friend...we have done all kinds of drugs and got drunk thousands of times..do I care what happens to him? yes and vice versa...we have done fucktons of dope together...but hes also the first person thatll put me up if Im homeless (and yes..I was homeless for 4 years) And during those days...my druggie friends helped me when my own family wouldnt...



I usually dont even use that term "druggie friend" ...that was a brainwashing trick to get you to seperate them in your mind from the oh so caring Straight friends. And Im sorry but most of you straight people treated me way fucking worse than any druggie ever did. Im not gonna say names to diferentiate...but theres straight people that I like and theres straight people that I would hit in the head with a fucking lead pipe..



 You must understand...everything that was done in Straight was done for a single purpose..3 or 4 central figures came up with alll that shit.Miller Newton and whoever the other few were..



 Dont you get it? you werent gonna die..everything you have done since then you owe to you...not them...

 Did you Graduate? If not...you should be dead!! according to them..so they themselves took their own credit away for that..



 The only thing positive I got from straight is that nothing shocks me...and I am stronger person for having endured all that shit...



 I could go on about negatives....for those 2 positives I just listed I have pages of problems that came from it....and my lists look about the same as the graduates...



 One of the worst things that came from it that I cant shake are that...I can become uncontrollably mean and snap on people....and I hate myself...

  Thanks Straight"
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Post by: Therion on January 14, 2004, 06:19:00 AM
No way dude...I havent spoken to Mike in a year or more...damn 2 years now..Alex the same deal..

I was prolly thinking Rob...but Im antisocial man and have few friends.........

But drugs = business
and friends are friends..

 Are you considering some wierdo biker guy that sells you speed a friend? then you are right..
 I know you from...Straight...you were one of our counsellors...but I have done lots of drugs with you....want me to start listing drugs we have done together? So does that make you a druggie friend? The whole area is grey and fucking stupid...and I feel safe rejecting the idea solely on the grounds that Miller Newton made it up..

And yes...Alex will get fucked in jail...I didnt but I wasnt on a farm with Lifers..and it was pretty chill...I mean I saw some people get severely beaten...and some dude from Midland actually got beat to death (his name I forget I didint actually see it) Oh and I did see a dude get stabbed and his lung punctured over a lighter....but other than that it was chill..
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Post by: Froderik on January 14, 2004, 11:03:00 AM
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I worked at a place called Sundown Ranch in Canton, TX that was absolutely beautiful! They had an oldfashioned school house and horses and cows. A pond they could fish out of that had a pair of black swans and turtles popping their heads out. They had a vegetable garden. Every Friday we would have this huge barbeque cranked up cooking brisket. And we'd play volleyball in between raps. They even had a couple of llamas. Sometimes I would take the kids on this long hike to this hill that made you feel like you were on top of the world.
I imagined this sort of scenario when my parents told me that they were going to "take me to VA where I would stay with some people who could talk to me..." or something like that. At that point, I wasn't doing much in the way of drugs. I had left home sometime in September because I was tired of the school I was in, but mainly because my parents were interfering with me getting laid in one way or another. I came back a month later. I ended up in straight in early Nov of 82.

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Post by: taureana on January 14, 2004, 12:18:00 PM
I had dropped out of school when I was 16.  Didn't need a parent to sign for me.  So when I was 17 I decided to go back to school.  I couldn't re-enroll unless I had a parent sign for me.  So I called my mother.  Big mistake.  She showed up to "enroll me back into school".  I should have known something was up when she didn't want me to wear my Def Leppard t-shirt and short shorts.  Too bad, that would have gone over great at Straight.  Instead I wore black wranglers and white cowboy boots.  I can just hear it now, "What do you mean you only smoke pot and drank.  People who listen to Def Leppard don't just smoke pot."  So I was full of shit when coke showed up in my urine.  I didn't know that Primos had cocaine in them.  I just thought it was Supreme Weed.!  And yes, being from Athens, I had just fallen off of the turnip truck yesterday . . . .
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Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2004, 04:04:00 AM
Therion, Valerie Holts friend you were describing a few squares back is Becca Parum.  I can't get the quote feature down.  I want to quote a few words but end up quoting everything.  So you mis-took my quote about the druggie friends.  I was really wanting to dog alex burns.  I'll tell you more of why tomarrow or something. :tup:
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Post by: Therion on January 15, 2004, 04:23:00 AM
Damn man I can picture about 50 peoples faces very vividly like a photo...but names just dont ring a bell..Becca yah she was a hardcore chick..she just had that thugness to her that alot of kids didint have in there..not to sound rude..I mean Im sure I have that look now...but in Straight so many of the kids were just...I mean you could tell they werent really bad kids from the gutter..I mean Greg Peay??! Cmon! He had that overprotective mother...gad no wonder he was acting up..the parents in there were crazier than the fucking kids...I can see that now as an adult...and how the parents went along with and bought that shit...and how the hostparents that actually had an inkling of what was going down and still didint stop it just blows my fucking mind.

 If I had 15 year old and put them in a place...and opened host home and saw that shit that was gong on I would have pulled my child and blown the whistle fast..I mean what the fuck?
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Post by: Therion on January 15, 2004, 04:26:00 AM
I really Fear bad things have happened to alot of those kids..I mean now that these sights are up...and almost everyone has access to Puters..I guess its just a matter of time till people find it..
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Post by: taureana on January 15, 2004, 08:54:00 AM
A couple of names have come to my mind and just wondering if anyone knows what they're up to:

Michelle Carr
(I had visited Allison Boggs after I left and she said she had been in contact with Michelle but that was in 1989)

Tyler Owen
(He was in a terrible car accident in 1991, he had to learn how to walk again.  The driver was killed.  Tripped with him a few times after he got out of the hospital)

Caeser

Stacey Elliff

Jana Turner (wasn't she a midland kid?  She was the girl that got knocked into a wall by a misbehavor and started peeing herself all the time.  I felt sorry for her and then a commencee told me after I left she cracked and had been FOS the whole time)

Gina (can't remember her last name.  She was a big time misbehavor)
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Post by: Carmel on January 15, 2004, 02:32:00 PM
Lets see...

Tyler Owen....saw him some time after the accident....then not too long ago (bout a year) at a strip club...then low and behold, he delivered a Dominos pizza to my doorstep, twice, this last September.  Havent seen him since.  He does seem to have full recovered BTW.

Caeser....my nemesis....havent seen him since the program and it would probably be in his best interests that I never do again.  Heard he became a cop though, and still is I am sure...can you imagine?

Stacy Eliff......saw her many many years ago at a poor excuse for a Straight reunion some of the parents put together right after the building closed down.  Aftercares STILL couldnt talk to cop-outs....even though the whole fuckin place was already deep sixed.  Havent seen her since.

PS...welcome to the board...I havent been around for a while...house remodeling (yuck!).  I was in Dallas in 90-91 give or take.  I know a whole slew of the same people.

Good luck!

Carmel
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Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2004, 03:31:00 PM
that sux to hear about Tylers wreck.  I stayed at his house in Houston for a week when he finally got out.  Try to get in touch with him.

Stacy Eliff, another Midlander, was working at an office depot in Fort Worth last time I saw her in 1994.  She came and stayed with me for about a week here in Midland.

More unmentioned midlanders

Amy Woodard
Jessica McClaine
Scott Patilo
Mike Patterson
Chad Green
Morris Connor
Shana Reynolds
? Reynolds (tall guy with blonde hair)
(Hispanic guy)  His moms name was Josy
Darrel Grimes
Neil Burlison
Jessica wade
fuck, their were a bunch
Stacy Jordan, I might have mentioned her already, but she is worth mentioning twice.
I still have all my MI's.  I might read them to jog my memory.  And I also have journals from after straight.  I caught a lot of rides from parents traveling Dallas to Midland.
Someday I will read all those MIs and journals.  But not today.  

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Post by: taureana on January 15, 2004, 05:11:00 PM
I couldn't imagine if I still had all my MI's.  I have nothing from straight except for memories.  

I was writing a book of a 4th step.  Carried it around for a year or two after straight and finally read it to my best friend that already knew everything about me anyway.  Then went out and got shitfaced.

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Post by: Therion on January 15, 2004, 10:52:00 PM
Me and Chris Garza took off upto dallas in 1989 ish and stayed with Darryl Grimes he got us some kick ass acid...jesus Ill never forget that...tripping balls in some huge Cadillac speeding thru Dallas tiny ass side streets......
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Post by: jnloar on January 16, 2004, 12:27:00 AM
Ceaser is a cop in Celina, Tx.  I don't know if he is the chief but he is still there.  Celina is about 30 miles north of Dallas off Preston Road.  I think Doug told me he had two kids and a wife.  Sadly Gena Golden killed herself in 1992.  I spent some time with her after she got pulled but she started using again and her parents kicked her out.  When I moved to Atlanta she was living with her boyfriend and about three months later my mom called and told me.  Does anyone know what happened to Shea Garrett and did Shawn really get thrown in jail for having sex with a client?
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Post by: Therion on January 16, 2004, 12:36:00 AM
Which one was Gena Golden? I dont remember the name
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Post by: jnloar on January 16, 2004, 12:52:00 AM
She was from Dallas and was a misbehavior most of the time she was there.  She was about 5'3, dark black hair, dark olive skin.  She was a beautiful girl.  Her parents were older and I think she was adopted but that may have been another one of my newcomers.  She was strong as hell for such a small girl and she also was one of the biters on the girls side.  I just remember her having so much pain in her eyes and she never seemed to acquire that lifeless look that most of us had.  She got restrained quite a bit because she was a carver but she would do serious damage - not just some scratches - but bad cuts into herself.  Did you get my email last week?
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Post by: Therion on January 16, 2004, 12:52:00 AM
Ceaser Vennigoni his dad Kindnapped alot of kids to take them to straight..Dad Vennigoni ..They had that Faily Center here and were just raking in kids..whose parents were rolling in the oil boom of the 80s...was a good market in west Tx for Mel and Co
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Post by: jnloar on January 16, 2004, 12:55:00 AM
I think it all started with Clayton Williams.  Then they got some of the wealthy families here in The Park Cities addicted to that place.  Casy Aldridge was one, David Tompkins, Lacy Carlson.  I cannot remember them all but for a while HP kids were getting put into Straight like mad.
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Post by: jnloar on January 16, 2004, 01:00:00 AM
Timmy,
Do you have any of your old stuff you would be willing to let go of?  COC's, those stupid fucking amend and friendship letters we used to have to write.  I am working on a book about Straight and would love any stuff like that.  Also, the producers of the documentary Straight Kids, Inc are very interested in old MI's and the like.  I can get you in touch with them if you are interested.  I will buy stuff from you if you are willing to let go of it.
Jennifer
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Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2004, 03:11:00 AM
I have a bag full of coc's, amends letters, 5000 word consequences (Keith Mansell, this doesn't look like 5000 words, it's a little short) support notes(got one from you jason periot). Plus a box with straight employee policies manual, rules and guidelines, straight song book, straight advertisment propaganda, client address book, the plastic heart straight badge, RSA's, Plus all the legal docs from Lee High, probation, and my attorney from when I got put in there.
And I have all my parents stuff, financial, insurance, letters etc. regarding straight.
I also have all the papers from school while in straight and probation release papers when I finished the program and the court statement of sealing my Juvi record.  Plus more shit I am probaly forgeting, like sharing the gift, ticket stubs from group permissions and aftercare.
I saved this stuff because I have always thought that a movie producer would want it to help make a movie showing an renactment of how it really was it there.  The documentary their making would make a great bonus feature on the DVD.
Your not the first to ask for this stuff, but your the first to mention$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
We can talk.   [email protected]
So your in Atlanta?  Ever go to Dotties or Somber Reptile, their the only Atlanta clubs that would book my band.  Fuck the Atlanta Music Fest.  They turned me down and then tried to sell me tickets to go watch the other bands.
I let a druggie friend borrow my staff training folder.  He wanted to learn how to brain wash people.  Last I heard his commune got burnt down in Waco. just kidding, I'll call him.
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Post by: Therion on January 16, 2004, 03:21:00 AM
Yah dude but that propaganda wont work on adults in the free world...
 If you sell that shit at least make copies please? I want them too..

 Actually you already promised me copies
    Dont pull an Alex on me haha..just kidding.../ducks under the desk
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Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2004, 03:32:00 AM
thats funny, everytime I e-mail Jeff Lane in Colorado about band stuff I title the subject line "Don't Be An Alex."
That straight propaganda worked on our Parents.
I would have done 6 months at Vernon if they didn't intervein.  I was in straight 1yr and 10 months.  Safepete is a theriputic community here in Texas and is for court ordered adults.  They report each other every day tring to get out.
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Post by: Therion on January 16, 2004, 05:43:00 AM
Yah I went to LCCF in Lubbok and it was safe P basically...but they kept you on probation..
I got booted out..which was no real feat as It was a this or serve time deal..
 I wrote a letter to my PO basically telling him that he was unprofessional and to eat shit..a week later I was back in regular Jail..I was offered to restart a 5 year probation or serve another 19 months so i took 19 months and walked free or "CLeaner than skeeters peter" as Curtis from up in smoke would say....

 You guys remember Curtis right? he was the black dude that played Bass for Cheech and chong in the movie
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Post by: taureana on January 16, 2004, 08:17:00 AM
Hey Jen.

I know you remember me.  If you don't, then scroll back a bit.

In 1992 I worked at a place called FirStep in Carrolton, TX.  It was a Straight spinoff.  There were boxes of Straight stuff there, and I cam across your intake tape.  There were others too.  Some names I recognized, some I didn't.  Yours is the only one I remember.  Probably because you were my first oldcomer.  Most likely because of the little incident in the parking lot Friday night when I wigged out and tried to run.

It was a micro tape, and I looked all over the place for a player, so that I could listen to it.  I asked someone about it and I was told that it was only the agreement to be signed into Straight.  So I threw it back in the box and forgot about it.

I wish I had taken all of that stuff.  Especially if I knew you would pay for it. :silly:

Anyway, I know someone still has that stuff.  I just don't know who.  Hell, I mean, if your intake tape was around in 92, it's still around.  If I had seen my name on one of those tapes, you can bet your ass I would have kept it.

At the time I still had resentments against you.  But I don't anymore.

Peace.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2004, 09:37:00 AM
Back off, she's my customer.  ::deal::  But I'll pay for my intake picture if you can find it.  They brought it out everytime I said I missed my past.  I was tring to be honest.    
spinoff of straight in Carrolton?  That's strange.
I heard our records were destroyed.  Maybe there still out there.  You had to be on like Sr.Staff before you were allowed to see your file. Maybe that's why some people joined staff.

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Post by: Froderik on January 16, 2004, 10:30:00 AM
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my intake picture if you can find it. They brought it out everytime I said I missed my past.

This stuff is news to me. I wonder when this whole 'multi-media' thing began with intakes. Back in old Virginny, (and the others) it was papers and papers only..
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Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2004, 11:56:00 AM
What years were you in?  I went in 4/6/87.  They did pictures, but not tapes.  That's news to me too.  I thought the picture was to help identify us in case we escaped, but not really sure.
In Dallas I often heard that the other straights were more hardcore and we had it plush.  I heard the worst stories about Cincinnati. But I also heard 5th phasers could smoke in other programs and in the Virginia photo guys have long hair.
In Dallas we were forced to get haircuts, no smoking, no Ozzy or other druggie music and a bunch of other stupid little rules.
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Post by: taureana on January 16, 2004, 12:19:00 PM
Like I said, that was in 1992.  I ran into one of the staffers from Carrolton in 1995 at a place in Canton.  I never asked about what happened to all the straight stuff from the building in carrolton.
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Post by: Froderik on January 16, 2004, 02:54:00 PM
I went into VA straight in November of 1982. Got out in January of 85. No pictures.
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Post by: ehm on January 16, 2004, 03:21:00 PM
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On 2004-01-15 21:55:00, jnloar wrote:



"I think it all started with Clayton Williams.  Then they got some of the wealthy families here in The Park Cities addicted to that place.  Casy Aldridge was one, David Tompkins, Lacy Carlson.  I cannot remember them all but for a while HP kids were getting put into Straight like mad."





*Bites tongue about Lacy*
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Post by: taureana on January 16, 2004, 03:26:00 PM
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Post by: ehm on January 16, 2004, 03:29:00 PM
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On 2004-01-16 06:37:00, Reagon Youth wrote:

"Back off, she's my customer.  ::deal::  But I'll pay for my intake picture if you can find it.  They brought it out everytime I said I missed my past.  I was tring to be honest.  LSD was fun.  A past incident that I felt bad about on it?  I laughed my ass off every time I took it.  

spinoff of straight in Carrolton?  That's strange.

I heard our records were destroyed.  Maybe there still out there.  You had to be on like Sr.Staff before you were allowed to see your file. Maybe that's why some people joined staff."


I'd love to have my intake picture...

All penalties for drug users should be dropped...Making drug abuse a crime is useless and even dangerous...Every year we seize more and more drugs but the quantity available still increases...Police are losing the drug battle worldwide.


--Raymond Kendall ~ Secretary General of Interpol 1994

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Post by: jason999 on January 18, 2004, 06:27:00 PM
hey timmy...!

the new flier is up reflecting DESTROY EVERYTHING playing.

http://www.hexcore.com/partynew.jpg (http://www.hexcore.com/partynew.jpg)

You and Brad are coming out to Dallas, still, I take it?

-j
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Post by: Therion on January 19, 2004, 12:15:00 AM
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Post by: Carmel on January 19, 2004, 01:50:00 PM
That was Linda Aragon...she commenced right after I went in.  She was actually pretty cool...I hng out with her some later on...last I heard she was in Hawaii.
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Post by: taureana on January 19, 2004, 02:15:00 PM
She was still on 1st when I left.
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Post by: valorie on February 05, 2004, 01:52:00 PM
Just for clarification purposes. The dark haired girl I was very!!! close to was not BECCA Parum, it was Kimberly Dawn Gent. She was from Bryan, and she was court ordered.
Hey, Jennifer!! Been talking to Timmy about you. I will attempt to drive his crazy butt to dallas this weekend. Are you planning on being there? Hope to see a bunch of you there.
Oh, and Kelly, if you are reading along. How the hell are you!!! You copped?? how do you spell that... ran away from me when I was at the YORK host home. Todd and I are still married and he is fighting like hell to keep me. He is very handsome and a little to confident, but I know of one certainty in my life and that is that he loves me dearly!!!
Some people I would like to catch up with.... hmmmmmmmm,,, BOB SHREVE!!! Please ladies tell me I wasn't the only one drooling over him. He was tall dark and something. I knew that Gina Golden was dead. Also that Sheila Condon was dead. I spoke w/ Michelle Karr after straight. She said that she had no desire to keep in touch w/ anyone from there.
Kim was my bestest good friend in straight and afterwards she went right back to the drugs. She was in an awful car accident that confined her to a wheel chair for a good many years. She got out of the chair and went back to prison w/ her mom and dad. She will always hold a large part of my heart and I will love her always!!! Thanks to straight...
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Post by: ehm on February 05, 2004, 03:09:00 PM
Valorie, how did those two girls die?

We are a one party country. Half of them call themselves Democrats and the other half call themselves Republicans. All the good ideas come from the Libertarians.
--Hugh Downs

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Post by: Therion on February 05, 2004, 04:46:00 PM
Hey Val I didnt mean like close close close...I just remember you two went on 4th or 5 th phase trip together
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Post by: Anonymous on February 05, 2004, 04:47:00 PM
Glad to see you got your post up Valorie.  I do not know how to cut and past e-mails to boards.
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Post by: valorie on February 05, 2004, 05:49:00 PM
Gina and Sheila both commited suicide, I tried to contact their parents but was never able to. I have gotten in touch w/ a lot of people from straight and felt privilaged to call them my friend. (not you mr. kemp)
Anyway, I went on my 4th phase w/ Shannon A. and she flirted w/ my cute brother the whole time.
I went w/ Kim on her 4th phase vacation and will never forget it. I love her dearly!!
Hey, Shannon, do you remember reporting me for hugging my counselor at PDAP when I came home? He was so hot, still is.
Just so you all know, I was in the program for 19 months and I was never confronted in Fri. OMR and never confronted by anyone like most of you all did. Guess I was very lucky.
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Post by: Therion on February 06, 2004, 12:52:00 AM
Oh fuck thats just..sad. Uuuugh that bums me out..
 So many gone....

Damn, Val how did you never get confronted in OMR? Thats...amazing. Think you were on 4th when I came in and then were non compliant....and you got pulled before me? or right after? All of the Midland kids got pulled after you and I.. I guess after the main Parents group began to dwindle it lost its strength...Glad you are Ok...havent seen you since AA back in 1989 or so.
 :wave:  :wave:


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Disentigrating as it grows, testing our communication

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Post by: Therion on February 06, 2004, 02:29:00 AM
Release and run to me you can never look back to the visions from the
past they fade and wilt in time,
You've got to just trust me to hold your hand through,
Then I turn and walk away,
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Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2004, 11:13:00 AM
I forgot about Bob.  His cheeks were always rosy.  Not my type.  Didn't know Valorie that you were at the York host home when I copped out.  Didn't remember that.  I'm doing really good.  It's been one week since my surgery.  I ran out of percocets and so they got me on hydrocodone, so I'm still a little buzzing some.  I'm glad you are doing good.  Had heard through the grapevine several years ago that you didn't want to hear about me . . .  But it makes me really happy that you and Todd are trying to work things out.  Been through too many divorces and it sucks like a bitch.  Feel free to email me.
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Post by: taureana on February 06, 2004, 11:16:00 AM
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Post by: valorie on February 06, 2004, 12:45:00 PM
No ill will here kelly!! I don't have your e-mail I will get it from Timmy. I will get a hold of you real soon. Take Care and tell your mom I said HELLO!!
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Post by: jason999 on March 03, 2004, 12:06:00 PM
Val!

Good seeing you again. :smile:
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Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2004, 12:17:00 AM
Valorie,

This is Amy Ebersole - i was in straight Dallas with you.  i, too, loved Kim, and I was so angry when they sent her out back to her family on 4th phase because her court order was up.  I didn't know until tonight what had happened to her, but i knew it probably wasn't good, and I've thought of her so much over the years.  when i read about the accident and the wheechair and jail - i literally just broke down and cried.  it's weird; i don't remember a whole hell of lot about straight, and i only recently started lokking at this site.  i'm glad you wrote about Kim - i needed to know, but i wish it were different.

i'm giving her my love.

amy
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Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2004, 11:50:00 PM
Hi Amy, what was thatsong you always used to do?I remember you would get up in front of the group and do it, and it involved you doing a beat on your lap.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2004, 02:21:00 AM
Somehow i got stuck with doing Vista from the girls side.  Not quite sure how it happened, other than that i've always had a big mouth - and, having dreamed of being an actress my whole life, i learned how to project at an early age.  what a gift in straight...don't know who you are, but i can tell you that i hate that song to this day.
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Post by: Antigen on March 07, 2004, 01:06:00 PM
I've often wondered why some programs, like Dallas Straight and Kids of El Paso, never lasted very long. And I've noticed something that might explain it. You people are some of the most intense and creative folks I've run into. Same w/ some of the KoEP ppl. Maybe ya'll and your families were just a little more resistant or rezilliant than most :question:

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.
Tacitus, Roman senator and historian (A.D. c.56- c.115)

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Post by: kalideskoper on March 07, 2004, 06:48:00 PM
OH MY GOD!!!!
Hey girl. How you been. I have thought of you so much since straight. You were one of my favorites. You used to make me laugh so much when it was really hard to find things to laugh about. I would love to get caught up.
Anyways, about Kim... I searched for her for about a year. I called the post office, the news paper and her juvenile probation office. I finally made contact w/ her grandmother who told me about the accident. I spoke w/ Kim a couple of times, she was so dear to me. Shortly after out last conversation she was imprisoned. She really had no business going back to her folks. Foster care would have been much better. Anyways, she will always have a special place in my heart as will Ellen Savage... and yourself.
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Post by: kalideskoper on March 07, 2004, 06:55:00 PM
I have spoken w/ several people since straight and heard of others who don't want to be known because of grudges others may have against them. I can honestly say that I have NO grudges against anyone from straight. I made friends, aquaintences, and one life long lover and husband in straight. I take the good, blow the bad off and go on w/ my life. The people who were so awful to so many did what they had to in some cases and some abused the privilage and power to dominate. NO ONE IS PERFECT, 'cept JESUS!!
I welcome anyone to speak their mind, just don't be so quick to judge. We have all fallen short of the glory of god, we are all SINNERS!!!
I sincerely hope that everyone from my group (that is still living) has a long and fruitful life not letting those days ruin or shadow their life today.
LOOOOOOOVE YA GROUP!!!

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Post by: Therion on March 09, 2004, 03:15:00 AM
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On 2004-03-06 20:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hi Amy, what was thatsong you always used to do?I remember you would get up in front of the group and do it, and it involved you doing a beat on your lap."



Was me hi Amy!
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Post by: Therion on March 09, 2004, 03:17:00 AM
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On 2004-03-07 15:48:00, kalideskoper wrote:

"OH MY GOD!!!!

Hey girl. How you been. I have thought of you so much since straight. You were one of my favorites. You used to make me laugh so much when it was really hard to find things to laugh about. I would love to get caught up.

Anyways, about Kim... I searched for her for about a year. I called the post office, the news paper and her juvenile probation office. I finally made contact w/ her grandmother who told me about the accident. I spoke w/ Kim a couple of times, she was so dear to me. Shortly after out last conversation she was imprisoned. She really had no business going back to her folks. Foster care would have been much better. Anyways, she will always have a special place in my heart as will Ellen Savage... and yourself. "



Hmm I remember you and KIm well..and I wondered what happened to her..
 I remeber Val went with her to...Seattle? Or..
someplace for their 4th or 5th phase vacation..

 And like alot of Kids one day she was just gone..
 I remember her talking about her parents alot..

 She is in jail right now? She had an car accident?

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I'm numb and unfeeling
So I just burn and stare at the ceiling
I'm here, but so far away
I see your mouth movin' but can't hear what you say
And I don't think I give a fuck anyway

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Post by: kalideskoper on March 11, 2004, 01:16:00 PM
Last I heard she was in jail. She may or may not have gotten out by now. She had a very bad accident that put her in a wheel chair. She had 3 kids and all of them were taken away from her.

This is a very hard subject for me to share. I don't want anyone passing judgement on her. There are not very many people who have really touched my heart, and like no others and they will forever be dear to me. Kim is a wonderful person and she was possessed by the evils of drugs. SHE IS A WONDERFUL PERSON!!! She unfortunatly lives what she learned growing up and doesn't know any different. I pray for her often and wish I could hug her neck just one more time.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2004, 11:19:00 PM
I'm right there with you, sister - this is Amy.  i feel so bad for Kim; knowing about the kids makes it even worse.  i hope for better things for her, god knows she deserves it, and never even got a chance.  thanks so much to Straight for kicking her out when her court order ran out - what else could she do but go back to her family and all that shit was just there, waiting for her.  damn.  i would love to hug her too.

take care of yourself.
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Post by: Antigen on March 12, 2004, 01:32:00 PM
You ppl actually think this woman's problems and misfortune are due to her having not spent enough time in the program?! I have news for you! That conclusion is not consistent w/ the (30 years of) evidence.

We are a one party country. Half of them call themselves Democrats and the other half call themselves Republicans. All the good ideas come from the Libertarians.
--Hugh Downs

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Post by: kalideskoper on March 12, 2004, 05:52:00 PM
No that is not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that the basis for straight(what I took from it) was the creation of new contacts and life skills to prevent us from repeating the old mistakes that led us to do drugs in the first place. When all you have known or done in your life is drugs and all your family does the same what hope have you to return to that and stay sober. No matter how bad your life was no one can resist that great a temptation. Not to mention the fact that she was not allowed to continue any relationships she  had developed in straight. They sent her home knowing that she would fall. That is straight and the judicial systems fault. She was only 16 years old. Where else could she have gone????

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Post by: kalideskoper on March 12, 2004, 05:57:00 PM
Not that anyone is to blame here. As I stated before, she lived what she had been taught, what she lived. She came in very young and had allready been shooting up. What in the hell chance did anyone looking at her situation think was going to happen. Not that I think that was even considered when they kicked her to the curb. They talked about how they cared sooooooo much, but the minute that the funds weren't there, neither was the client. and fuck'em when there gone. I bet you millions that no one ever picked up the phone in the first few days much less the next few years to check on her. "THEY" sent her back to her doooom!!!
That is what I am saying.
Thank you, and that will be all about that!
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Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2004, 02:13:00 AM
Antigen,

I am no fan of Straight.  That place did far more harm than good to thousands of kidnapped kids (POW's in the American drug war with no wall to mourn them) - no doubt about it.  What we're saying is that Straight's hypocricy is exposed in the case of Kim.  If you don't graduate, what will happen: jail, insanity, or death.  Straight itself proivded the insanity; Kim went off to find near-death, ending up in a wheelchair, losing her kids, and then jail.  Her entire family shot up; Straight knew that and sent her back to the supposed "slaughter" that would be waiting for her.  Ex-druggie friends aren't ok for paying clients, but ex-druggie families simply get problem, poor clients off their backs.  they didn't give a shit; she wasn't bringing in any money, her family wasn't providing a host home.  IF - and this is a big if - IF Straight believed any of the dogma it spouted, it would have done something for Kim other than sending her back to her family of heroin addicts.  You don't have to be brainwashed by Straight to see that that's no way to raise a kid.  That's all.  They fucked her completely - feeding her a line of bullshit and then feeding her to the lions.  I know this is dramatic speech, but it pisses me off.  Now for her to stay in Straight, go on staff, all that route - that, too, would have been a road of nasty and terrible choices.  but in Kim's case, I would have to say that she just might have been better off had she been able to stay in contact with that brief window of the world that the friends she had made in Straight offered her.  She was from "small town" Texas and had never been  given a chance to see a broader view.  When you think about Straight being the vehicle for  providing that broader view, you begin to see how sad this is, all in all.

i don't really care if you think i'm protecting Straight or advocating for its policies.  I'm not.  I'm saying that Kim was completely and utterly fucked by them, that her case in and of itself shows how much they themselves didn't buy into their own propoganda, and i, for one, am sorry about it all.  I've spent a lot of time lately thinking about Kim, and I'm just frankly damn sorry that she went through what she did - and sorrier still that she still is.  

Amy
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Post by: kalideskoper on March 13, 2004, 10:17:00 PM
Well said Amy!!
I think the total point once completely broken down is very simple. You don't drag someone up out of the gutter, show them a better life and then throw them back to the crap they came from. I think it just shoves them farther down into the dispair of their misfortune. The tourture of straight was and could never be what she had to endure once she left the safety of those four walls and friendships.
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Post by: Therion on March 14, 2004, 11:44:00 PM
Like Murder
Stoned I awoke in your temple
To blackness above you
And death beside me
Where kitchen knives conspire
Razor blades make bloodless love
Like Murder
The ghost of a pale girl is solemnly following me
Pale will she follow me
Into the sea
I feel the flowers screaming
To consume you
Like Murder
Earth and sky your cradle
Earth and sky entomb you
And death beside me
I burrow through the dust
In your skull
But I cannot seem to find your soul
Bloodless and numb
We orbit the sun
Hungry will this pale thing
Follow me into the sea
On the cold side of her face
The reptiles awake
Locust swarm from open mouths
That sing thy kingdom come
While blackness hums
Nothing is true
and I'm tired of your sad today
You're screaming because
There's nothing left for you to say
Bloodless and numb
We orbit the sun
Hungry will this pale thing
Follow me into the sea
Stoned I awoke in your temple
To blackness above you
And death beside me
Where kitchen knives conspire
Razor blades make bloodless love
Like Murder
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Post by: Anonymous on March 15, 2004, 09:29:00 AM
You have really awful taste in music, Therion.
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"You have really awful taste in music, Therion."



Thanks Ill take that as a compliment..
Actually my taste in music is so varied you are in fact multi genre labelling with your comment..
 :wstupid:
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Post by: Therion on March 16, 2004, 03:39:00 AM
Besides thats Acid Bath and they are in fact one of the best bands....ever..
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Post by: Therion on March 16, 2004, 03:44:00 AM
Thought Kaliedescoper was Amy E...
 
 Must have misread..
Amy E posts anon.. wonder if shes one of the therion haters?
 How unfortunate...
 I think she liked to confront me alot..Mabey not..I do remember Vista..
 Actually I probably remember her and Val more than almost anyone at straight...barring staff..and Chris C..and Donny H
 But whatever glad you are alive and well regardless of your sentiments..
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Post by: Antigen on March 16, 2004, 10:46:00 AM
Well, there are a lot of aspects to the Program that I just never bought into.

I got dumped out on my own too. I suppose it makes a difference that I initiated that seperation. My mom and dad stayed thoroughly involved and actively tried to rope me back in for awhile. My older brothers and sisters just didn't want to have anything to do with me or to get dragged into the fight. So I had NO support, none, for awhile.

I crashed at a bachelor pad for a couple of months while earning some cash working at local restaurants. Sure I fucked the guy. Why not? He was good looking, friendly and never made any demands. The weekend fundraiser parties didn't bother me in the least, except that the strain of pot they were selling was a variety that just gave me a headache and a lot of paranoia. So I just passed on that and went about scraping up enough dough to start thinking about what I wanted to do with all my hard earned freedom.

Naturally enough, I wanted family. So I latched onto some loser and had his baby. He turned out to be a crackhead and is now serving two 15 year sentences in Florida State prison. Out of that, I got some considerable comeupance and a devistatingly beautiful, charming and loving daughter. Even some of his extended family have turned out to be good friends. I'm sure I got the better end of the deal.

If I'd set out to avoid drugs and all people who use them, I would have been completely alone. Fortunately, I was not very phobic about drugs. If I'd bought into the bullshit that Program philosophy was the only alternative to death and dispair, I would have been thoroughly screwed. I didn't buy into that either.

So why didn't you folks get in touch with this girl as soon after the Program as possible? Has anyone dropped her a line lately?

A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another; shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement
Thomas Jefferson  

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Post by: Antigen on March 16, 2004, 12:11:00 PM
That was a little harsh. Sorry. It didn't come out the way I meant it.

I suppose I'm just thrown by the idea that anyone seriously bought into the false imperative, Straight or death and missery, in the long term. That's just sad as hell.

Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful.
--Friedrich Nietzsche

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Post by: Dr. Miller Newton on March 16, 2004, 12:17:00 PM
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I suppose I'm just thrown by the idea that anyone seriously bought into the false imperative, Straight or death and misery, in the long term. That's just sad as hell.

It's not a fallacy. It's a reality that people who abandon the 7 Steps wind up DEAD, INSANE or IN JAIL. Now, you could argue that this wasn't true in EVERY case, sure, but it certainly proved to be the case often enough...  

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Post by: RTP2003 on March 16, 2004, 12:22:00 PM
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I suppose I'm just thrown by the idea that anyone seriously bought into the false imperative, Straight or death and missery, in the long term. That's just sad as hell.


That false imperative is part and parcel of the Recovery Group Movement as a whole.  Stepcults spend a lot of time and effort drilling that idea into the heads of their new recruits, and Straight, Inc. was no exception.  I remember Steve Meade pulling me out of group for a one -on-one and he asked what I would do if I had a time machine and go go into my future--would I push the button that was marked "Death and Drugs" or the one marked "7 Stepped Straight and Happy".  That was and is the mindset of the Stepsters--there is only one alternative (well, three..) to the Stepcult-'jailsinstitutionsanddeath'.

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Post by: Dr Fucktard on March 16, 2004, 12:25:00 PM
I feel disappointed about your lack of faith in the steps because they could save your life!

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Post by: CesareV on March 16, 2004, 05:07:00 PM
Hi everyone.  I have been talking to some people and reading this site.  I've decided to registar. :wave:
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Post by: ehm on March 16, 2004, 05:17:00 PM
Who are you?
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Post by: Dr Fucktard on March 16, 2004, 06:41:00 PM
Obviously he/she's a druggie or they wouldn't be here... :idea:

No talking out in group!  :lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2004, 07:38:00 PM
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On 2004-03-16 15:41:00, Dr Fucktard wrote:

"Obviously he/she's a druggie or they wouldn't be here... :wave:
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Post by: ehm on March 16, 2004, 07:40:00 PM
oops, the above was me.
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Post by: Therion on March 16, 2004, 11:28:00 PM
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On 2004-03-16 14:07:00, CesareV wrote:

"Hi everyone.  I have been talking to some people and reading this site.  I've decided to registar. :wave:  "

 
 Well, well, well...
Finally registered eh>? Cool....
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Post by: kalideskoper on March 17, 2004, 04:03:00 PM
To reply to antigen's question as to if anyone has dropped a line or not. I have tried to stay in touch w/ no luck. I have left a name and number many times w/ no luck. I am sure her grandmother is not sure who I am for sure. I don't know why for sure she is in jail or when she will be getting out. I would love to hear from her. I don't blame straight for her situation as I have stated before. What I am saying is that just because the court order expired they didn't have to disown her. There should have been something in the way of a support system for those in that position. I would love to save her, I am not that strong, but I hate the thought that she doesn't know how I feel about her.
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Post by: Antigen on March 17, 2004, 05:19:00 PM
I get that now. Sorry, I took it the wrong way. Still, I think it's sadder than sad that anyone in this time and place could view their options as limited to A) the Program or B) a fucked up family. There's a whole wide world out there. Granted, it's not all safe and wonderful. But you take your chances, try something. If it doesn't work out, you adjust your plan and try something else.

The law in its majestic equality, forbids all men to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread - the rich as well as the poor

--Anatole France

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Post by: Cherry forever on March 17, 2004, 11:40:00 PM
Hey
C.Cherry here.Caught on to this site recently.
Finally registerd.I'd like to here from anyone that I was in with. Catch me at [email protected]. Brad and Kelly sorry I've been extremly busy, will write you back soon.

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Post by: Therion on March 18, 2004, 03:34:00 AM
No problem man busy is good..

But do try to get in touch I need to talk to you..
  Opiod_Morphina is my yahoo IM name..Or better yet call...I think I put my number in that e mail..
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Post by: groovy1634 on March 18, 2004, 06:36:00 AM
well, well.....im not suprised.....welcome anyways to the board from hell, btw, whaenever i think of straight, i cannot help but think of you and how intimidating you were...thanks..thanks for helping me become the person i am today....i am not afraid to speak my mind, because eveyone (especially people like you were then) will condem people in one form or another....thanks...you rule!!!!! oh, another way you inspired me was to walk out on straight...best move i ever made...thanks

lisa dallas 91' :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
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Post by: kalideskoper on March 18, 2004, 09:58:00 AM
Would that be Chris Cherry???
Who is lisa 91????
This is Valorie Holt.....
As for your final comment Antigen... I don't think it is as simple as A. or B. I think it is more of what you know of don't know. Good, bad or indifferent, Straight showed some of us that our lives were spiraling out of control. When you are surrounded by drug addicts and you like drugs the consequences of your actions don't seem so real. EVERYONE is doing it. No one is around to show you the alternative. I just feel that in Kims situation she was miles away from any rational living creatures. All she had was crowds of drug addicts that made her feel a part of something, anything. As humans we are not created to exist alone, it is against nature for us to be alone and unfortunately for her she was left to be a part of the drug addicts because Straight did not provide a haven of support or friends for her to turn to or depend on. Her ONLY choice was given to her when they booted her out. I realize that we all have a knowledge of right and wrong, but if no one is there to push you in the right direction than you usually go in the one you know best. Does any of that make sense? It's like the path we are used to has such high walls on either side that to get off that path there must be someone on top to help or offer assistance of some kind. Does anyone pick up what I am puttin' down????
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Post by: Therion on March 18, 2004, 10:18:00 AM
I totally understand, K...

Gentry's situation was way diffrent than everyone elses..
 her family was Meth junkies from what I recall..
and she waqs almost to 5th phase and had a new life ahead and straight basically said "fuck you...no $$ no life"
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Post by: Abra1971 on March 18, 2004, 11:24:00 PM
Ok - this is Amy Ebersole, registered as Abra 1971.  Long story.

Therion - I'm no hater of you.  Gotta say, can't remember if I confronted you a lot or not.  Doubtful, as I hated that.

Does anyone remember Chris Meade?  Or Kathy David?  And know of their wherabouts these days?  These are two folks i'd really like to know about.

A lot of postings about Kim after Valorie and I started talking about her.  I don't have much to add, other than Antigen has a good point: I didn't try to contact her.  Much as I loved her, I figured the news was bad, and frankly - I closed the door on Straight as soon as I graduated.  This board is the first time I've re-connected in any way with Straight, the people i was there with, and what went on there.  And it's not easy, so I'm taking it slow.

amy
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Post by: Therion on March 19, 2004, 12:28:00 AM
Thats cool...
Do you even remember me?
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And I guess my one a day, became ten or twelve or more, and more
But I've got a gift, it's something called my friends or love
With them and I combined, I'll beat an early end

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Post by: taureana on March 19, 2004, 08:53:00 AM
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On 2004-03-18 07:18:00, Therion wrote:

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I totally understand, K...



Gentry's situation was way diffrent than everyone elses..

 her family was Meth junkies from what I recall..

and she waqs almost to 5th phase and had a new life ahead and straight basically said "fuck you...no $$ no life"
"

That's true.  She was my oldcomer when they commenced her.  She was court ordered.  And the probation officer felt like she had been there long enough, and pulled the funding.  Her family were junkies.  And I don't buy the whole thing about her being ostracized from people in aftercare.  Straight allowed her to go to aftercare.  She stayed in the Kossack host home a few days after she was commenced, and Tom Landry took her out and spent a lot of money on her.  But I do know from Allison Boggs that they were using together after Straight.  And I think that Michelle Carr and her had hooked up as well too.
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Post by: ehm on March 19, 2004, 11:24:00 AM
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On 2004-03-18 20:24:00, Abra1971 wrote:

"Ok - this is Amy Ebersole, registered as Abra 1971.  Long story.



Therion - I'm no hater of you.  Gotta say, can't remember if I confronted you a lot or not.  Doubtful, as I hated that.



Does anyone remember Chris Meade?  Or Kathy David?  And know of their wherabouts these days?  These are two folks i'd really like to know about.



A lot of postings about Kim after Valorie and I started talking about her.  I don't have much to add, other than Antigen has a good point: I didn't try to contact her.  Much as I loved her, I figured the news was bad, and frankly - I closed the door on Straight as soon as I graduated.  This board is the first time I've re-connected in any way with Straight, the people i was there with, and what went on there.  And it's not easy, so I'm taking it slow.



amy "


My memory is pretty bad with last names, but wasn't Chris Meade the really skinny guy? I always liked him, and we remained friends after straight.

Kathy David was a friend of mine too. I was her newcomer, her parents were really sweet. I'll always remember watching Nightmare on Elm Street at their house too.

I IMed you, answer me back soon!  :smile:
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Post by: Antigen on March 19, 2004, 11:55:00 AM
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On 2004-03-18 06:58:00, kalideskoper wrote:

 No one is around to show you the alternative.


The alternative? Asif the Program lifestyle is the only other choice besides a life focused on catching a buzz? In my view, the Program life was at least as out of control as anything I ever saw. And most people, I think, figured out sooner or later that it was totally unsustainable. Some of those believed the false imperative to such a great degree that they did just as they were told; if you leave the Program, you must set about becoming a dedicated, full time junkie.

It's just so senseless. There are 6 billion people in this world. No chance, let alone need, to be alone.

Our Constitution is in actual operation; everything appears to promise that it will last; but in this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.
Ben Franklin Letter to M. Leroy, 1789.

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Post by: taureana on March 19, 2004, 06:54:00 PM
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On 2004-03-18 03:36:00, groovy1634 wrote:

", btw, whaenever i think of straight, i cannot help but think of you and how intimidating you were... "


That is soooo funny.  I was on first phase with Chris and I just cannot picture him as intimidating....

Ha ha ha ha :smile:
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Post by: Therion on March 19, 2004, 08:59:00 PM
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On 2004-03-18 03:36:00, groovy1634 wrote:

"well, well.....im not suprised.....welcome anyways to the board from hell, btw, whaenever i think of straight, i cannot help but think of you and how intimidating you were...thanks..thanks for helping me become the person i am today....i am not afraid to speak my mind, because eveyone (especially people like you were then) will condem people in one form or another....thanks...you rule!!!!! oh, another way you inspired me was to walk out on straight...best move i ever made...thanks




She was talking about ceasar

lisa dallas 91' :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil: "
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Post by: Therion on March 19, 2004, 09:00:00 PM
She was talking about Ceasar not Chris
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Post by: Abra1971 on March 20, 2004, 06:20:00 AM
I don't remember Ceasar - Chris was really sweet, intense eyes.

Therion: I'm not sure if I remember you or not, frankly.  I think you said a while back you were Brad B. - the name rings more than the face.  Are you tall, kind of lanky, brown hair?  

Don't take it personally - it's very scary to me how much I don't remember about Straight.  Memories are coming, sometimes slowly and sometimes with a crushing force.  The reason why i got on this board at all to begin with is I pulled out that damn video with Nancy Reagon and Princess Diana about Straight - had my husband watch it - found myself just sobbing and then all of a sudden doing research on the internet about it.  How unlike me not to have done that earlier.  

Help me remember you.

amy
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Post by: Abra1971 on March 20, 2004, 06:22:00 AM
Just reread that and have to point out that I can spell.  Nancy Reagan.  

amy
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Post by: toddbrown on March 20, 2004, 07:16:00 AM
Cesar...your host home was the first host home that I stayed in.
It was Me and Jason Skybell and I cant remember the other poor sucker, hmmmmm who were your host brothers?
well anyway I am glad that you found this website, I know that it must take a lot of courage for a sorry son of a bitch like you to post on this sight, so even though i count you as the single most sorry sack of shit to have ever had the privelage to be my oldcomer and tormentor as a staff member, I commend you for having the balls to start talking on this board, I only hope that you take this chance to tell all of the ppl whose lives you made unneccasarily miserable how fucking weak and lame you were.
If I remember correctly your dad was a big greasy disgusting fuck, and you werent to easy on the eyes yourself, and what I am wandering is this....did you ever even do drugs??? I cant honestly remember anything coming out of your mouth except that whiney nasal arrogant rant that you did so often and so well, to the glee of all of the fat cat executives and the rest of your pathetic staff...staff, what a crock of shit ceasar, I went through the training for that shit "Paraprofessional Counseler" that is what they called us but you were particularly ignorant if I remembered correctly. Well enough about Me, lets hear how your life is "busting Druggies"and I sure hope that is just one of your ignorant jokes that you thought might help you fucking slide by all of the people who you abused
What the fuck man did you think that ppl would not remember? you personaly degraded me not only on the hardest day, my first day but many times after that, I was a fifth phase trainee a nd you were a junior staff member and you once asked my " what the fuck are you waiting for" as you sneered down at me, dude you must have hated yourself. I remember one time you wanted to rip this kid a new asshole beacause he was new and having a hard time letting go and wouldnt cut his hair, I was on fifth phase at the time you called on me(suspecting that I would rip this poor guy" and I calmy spoke to him as the group was turning into a seething mob ready to tear this poor schlubs head off for your enjoyment, and I startied calmy explaing to him that it was going to get easier and that we all had to do it when we were new and not to worry everthing  was gonna be ok if he would just go with the"WHO HERE'S GOT SOMETHING TO SAY TO THIS SORRY DRUGGIE" is how you cut me off, how fucked up man, anyway if he could have this kid probably would have kicked your lily white ass all over the parking lot.
O.K. I sure do feel beter, so anyway hows your life man? I heare your a cop, so hows that going man are you keeping the streets safe from druggies and stuff? please let me(us) know what your all about.
Sincerely.  Todd Brown
P.S. we all change, you may have too and if you have realized the messed up way you treatedppl and how much pain you caused ppl I'm sure I am not the only person who would like to hear your side of the story

"The Libertarian Party is a coalition of those who hold dear the economic freedoms championed by conservatives, yet abandoned by Republicans, and the civil freedoms championed by liberals, yet abandoned by Democrats."


--Rick Root



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 He Dallas ppl Remeber me? I was Todd Brown Dallas(Irving) Straight 89-90 I commenced and was on staff for a short time, then fell off the face of the earth please email me if you remember me I really want to get in touch with other dallas  straight ppl![ This Message was edited by: toddbrown on 2004-03-20 04:41 ]
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Post by: taureana on March 20, 2004, 10:03:00 AM
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On 2004-03-19 18:00:00, Therion wrote:

"She was talking about Ceasar not Chris
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Oops!  I new that didn't sound right.
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Post by: taureana on March 20, 2004, 10:08:00 AM
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On 2004-03-20 04:16:00, toddbrown wrote:

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 He Dallas ppl Remeber me? I was Todd Brown Dallas(Irving) Straight 89-90 I commenced and was on staff for a short time, then fell off the face of the earth please email me if you remember me I really want to get in touch with other dallas  straight ppl![ This Message was edited by: toddbrown on 2004-03-20 04:41 ]"


Todd:  Were you short guy with blond hair and brown eyes?  I know there were two Todds while I was there, Todd Townley and another one, thinking it was you that I remember?  If so, then you, me and a red-headed guy went to some nursery to work one day.

I don't remember Jason Skybell, but I remember Patrick Carlow talking a lot about him after Straight.

-Kelly
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Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2004, 11:15:00 AM
::bigsmilebounce::

Did I misspell my user name?  I'll check.  

We are the sons/daughters of Reagan,
We are Reagan Youth :exclaim:
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Post by: Antigen on March 20, 2004, 11:27:00 AM
Yup. Should be Reagan. You can change it in your profile.

Freedom has a thousand charms to show, That slaves, howe'er contented, never know.
William Cowper, a British Christian poet & hymn writer (18th century)

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Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2004, 03:07:00 PM
Todd: Were you short guy with blond hair and brown eyes? I know there were two Todds while I was there, Todd Townley and another one, thinking it was you that I remember? If so, then you, me and a red-headed guy went to some nursery to work one day.

I don't remember Jason Skybell, but I remember Patrick Carlow talking a lot about him after Straight.

-Kelly
Hi Kelly, and no I was not short with brown hair I was about 5'11 and had brownish red hair and hazel eyes, I hung out with ty fellars, jeff and chris upshaw mike sherman, chris cox and the like...I dated a girl named andrea holder from the program, remeber me? i was on staff for a minute , then I commenced and never looked back.
p.s. jason Skybell was this cool ass little jewish kid and he was a total punk I loved that guy , anyway he entered a law suit agianst straight because the venegini(as in Cesar the prick) host home called itself aushwitz as in the holacaust... and get this Skybell is JEWISH, and this kid had the balls to stand up in group and rip Cesar a new a-hole in front of everyone for it..score one for the little guy!!!
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Post by: toddbrown on March 20, 2004, 03:13:00 PM
oops, that last anonymous post was me!
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Post by: Opiod_Morphina on March 20, 2004, 06:28:00 PM
Yah Im Brad...I have blond hair but am tall and skinny..
 You wouldnt remember me..I would have been all of 12 or 13...
 Todd ...the way you talked about Ceasar is the way I feel about Steve Brooks..
 Of Course Ceasar was on 1st phase when I left..

  When I got to TDC lo and behold I ran into Steve Brooks.. But he wasnt the Terror I remember..I had grown and he was just this pathetic scared little fat man..
 And he acted like he didnt remember me... :idea:  :idea:

 And Jeff Spearman was the other one...
 But hes dead  :lol: so I guess that took care of itself..I would go shit on his grave but that would just make the grass greener..
 2 Down...9 to go..
  /passes the popcorn..

 Love ya group...

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Post by: Opiod_Morphina on March 20, 2004, 06:28:00 PM
oops
   I meant Love ya group, Therion
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Post by: Opiod_Morphina on March 20, 2004, 06:39:00 PM
Amy I know you would remember me...PM me a hotmail e mail adress or something and Ill e mail some pics to you..
 You were there my whole program
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Post by: taureana on March 20, 2004, 06:42:00 PM
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On 2004-03-20 12:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Hi Kelly, and no I was not short with brown hair I was about 5'11 and had brownish red hair and hazel eyes, I hung out with ty fellars, jeff and chris upshaw mike sherman, chris cox and the like...I dated a girl named andrea holder from the program, remeber me? i was on staff for a minute , then I commenced and never looked back.

p.s. jason Skybell was this cool ass little jewish kid and he was a total punk I loved that guy , anyway he entered a law suit agianst straight because the venegini(as in Cesar the prick) host home called itself aushwitz as in the holacaust... and get this Skybell is JEWISH, and this kid had the balls to stand up in group and rip Cesar a new a-hole in front of everyone for it..score one for the little guy!!!"


You must have come in after I left.. don't remember you.  I walked about a week after my 18th b-day, May 1989.  Do you remember Patrick Carlow?
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Post by: Opiod_Morphina on March 20, 2004, 06:46:00 PM
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On 2004-03-20 04:16:00, toddbrown wrote:

"Cesar...your host home was the first host home that I stayed in.

It was Me and Jason Skybell and I cant remember the other poor sucker, hmmmmm who were your host brothers?

well anyway I am glad that you found this website, I know that it must take a lot of courage for a sorry son of a bitch like you to post on this sight, so even though i count you as the single most sorry sack of shit to have ever had the privelage to be my oldcomer and tormentor as a staff member, I commend you for having the balls to start talking on this board, I only hope that you take this chance to tell all of the ppl whose lives you made unneccasarily miserable how fucking weak and lame you were.

If I remember correctly your dad was a big greasy disgusting fuck, and you werent to easy on the eyes yourself, and what I am wandering is this....did you ever even do drugs??? I cant honestly remember anything coming out of your mouth except that whiney nasal arrogant rant that you did so often and so well, to the glee of all of the fat cat executives and the rest of your pathetic staff...staff, what a crock of shit ceasar, I went through the training for that shit "Paraprofessional Counseler" that is what they called us but you were particularly ignorant if I remembered correctly. Well enough about Me, lets hear how your life is "busting Druggies"and I sure hope that is just one of your ignorant jokes that you thought might help you fucking slide by all of the people who you abused

What the fuck man did you think that ppl would not remember? you personaly degraded me not only on the hardest day, my first day but many times after that, I was a fifth phase trainee a nd you were a junior staff member and you once asked my " what the fuck are you waiting for" as you sneered down at me, dude you must have hated yourself. I remember one time you wanted to rip this kid a new asshole beacause he was new and having a hard time letting go and wouldnt cut his hair, I was on fifth phase at the time you called on me(suspecting that I would rip this poor guy" and I calmy spoke to him as the group was turning into a seething mob ready to tear this poor schlubs head off for your enjoyment, and I startied calmy explaing to him that it was going to get easier and that we all had to do it when we were new and not to worry everthing  was gonna be ok if he would just go with the"WHO HERE'S GOT SOMETHING TO SAY TO THIS SORRY DRUGGIE" is how you cut me off, how fucked up man, anyway if he could have this kid probably would have kicked your lily white ass all over the parking lot.

O.K. I sure do feel beter, so anyway hows your life man? I heare your a cop, so hows that going man are you keeping the streets safe from druggies and stuff? please let me(us) know what your all about.

Sincerely.  Todd Brown

P.S. we all change, you may have too and if you have realized the messed up way you treatedppl and how much pain you caused ppl I'm sure I am not the only person who would like to hear your side of the story

"The Libertarian Party is a coalition of those who hold dear the economic freedoms championed by conservatives, yet abandoned by Republicans, and the civil freedoms championed by liberals, yet abandoned by Democrats."





--Rick Root





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  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
That was golden man!!!!!!




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Post by: Antigen on March 20, 2004, 07:36:00 PM
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On 2004-03-20 03:20:00, Abra1971 wrote:

The reason why i got on this board at all to begin with is I pulled out that damn video with Nancy Reagon and Princess Diana about Straight - "


I'm not 100% sure, but I think maybe Wes Fager is looking for that tape. Any chance you could knock off a copy to send along to him?

Tough Love: Abuse of a type particularly enjoyable to the abuser, in that it combines the pleasures of sadism with those of self-righteousness. Commonly employed and widely admired in 12-step groups.
--Chaz Bufe

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Post by: Antigen on March 20, 2004, 07:39:00 PM
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On 2004-03-16 14:07:00, CesareV wrote:

"Hi everyone.  I have been talking to some people and reading this site.  I've decided to registar. :wave:  "


Ever go by the name Tom Coleman?

Don't sweat the
Petty Things

Don't pet the
Sweaty Things

Water what you want to grow.
--Curiosity

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Post by: Opiod_Morphina on March 21, 2004, 01:12:00 AM
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On 2004-03-20 16:39:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2004-03-16 14:07:00, CesareV wrote:


"Hi everyone.  I have been talking to some people and reading this site.  I've decided to registar. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
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Post by: toddbrown on March 21, 2004, 04:09:00 AM
this is a guy named Cesar Venagoni, he was a staff member(and client ) of straight dallas around 88-89-ish he was a total duchebag.
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Post by: toddbrown on March 21, 2004, 04:10:00 AM
but, I dont want to scare the guy off either, even though I had seriuos distain for this guy, he has every right to be on this board as well.
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Post by: Antigen on March 21, 2004, 09:25:00 AM
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On 2004-03-21 01:09:00, toddbrown wrote:

"this is a guy named Cesar Venagoni, he was a staff member(and client ) of straight dallas around 88-89-ish he was a total duchebag."


Yeah, I was sort of kidding. Here's Tom Coleman

The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad.
-- Salvador Dali

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Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2004, 11:32:00 PM
2 down, 9 to go?  who are they.  do you ever wonder if the anger you harbor causes you more shit than it does them
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Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2004, 12:19:00 PM
I must say, I am not sure why someone edited the topic title of this post.  It upsets me somewhat, because I had been searching for a long time for Straight contacts from the DFW area, and finally found them because of the title of this thread.  It was very interesting reading all of the posts when I did finally locate it.  I think that whoever edited the topic should change it back.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2004, 12:29:00 PM
:smile:
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Post by: CesareV on December 12, 2004, 07:02:00 AM
anyone have a donut??
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Post by: Carmel on December 12, 2004, 12:35:00 PM
Hey there...long time, no post.

How goes it?  I just ate a donut actually.

A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

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Post by: Scarstruck on December 12, 2004, 03:53:00 PM
No I harbor anger in passing and it doesnt really ever enter my mind unless Im on here...
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Post by: groovy1634 on December 12, 2004, 03:58:00 PM
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On 2004-12-12 04:02:00, CesareV wrote:

"anyone have a donut??"


i hate mean people....you know, not much makes my blood boil, bbut you still do....i hope you dream of all those little kids you "helped" there every night...i really do, and i hope it haunts you
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Post by: CesareV on December 12, 2004, 05:36:00 PM
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On 2004-12-12 09:35:00, Carmel wrote:

"Hey there...long time, no post.



How goes it?  I just ate a donut actually.

A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

"


Hey tootse,  It goes good.  I made another bust last night.  I left with an extra pair of silver braclets that will look nice on your pretty little wrists.  We should get together sometime so I can make up for all the mean things I said to you in Straight.  Plus, I want to give you these braclets. ::kiss::
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Post by: CesareV on December 12, 2004, 05:45:00 PM
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On 2004-12-12 12:58:00, groovy1634 wrote:

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On 2004-12-12 04:02:00, CesareV wrote:


"anyone have a donut??"




i hate mean people....you know, not much makes my blood boil, bbut you still do....i hope you dream of all those little kids you "helped" there every night...i really do, and i hope it haunts you
"

Since I put most of those little criminals in prison it's safe to sleep at night and I dream of busting more.
Take a chill pill before I confiscate it.
You just remember,  If I find a seed, that's all that I'll need to bust your ass.
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Post by: CesareV on December 12, 2004, 05:48:00 PM
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On 2004-12-12 12:53:00, Scarstruck wrote:

"No I harbor anger in passing and it doesnt really ever enter my mind unless Im on here...

 

 
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When I kick down your door you better have your methadone prescription updated and in hand or I'm gonna bust your ass ::armed::
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Post by: Carmel on December 12, 2004, 07:46:00 PM
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On 2004-12-12 14:36:00, CesareV wrote:

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On 2004-12-12 09:35:00, Carmel wrote:


"Hey there...long time, no post.





How goes it?  I just ate a donut actually.

A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

"




Hey tootse,  It goes good.  I made another bust last night.  I left with an extra pair of silver braclets that will look nice on your pretty little wrists.  We should get together sometime so I can make up for all the mean things I said to you in Straight.  Plus, I want to give you these braclets. ::kiss:: "


Ok, I am officially weirded out.  I said I didnt hold your shitty behaviour against you anymore, but maybe you should slow down some there, darlin'!

 :silly:

The time appears to me to have come when it is the duty of all to make their dissent from religion known.
--John Stuart Mill

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Post by: CesareV on December 12, 2004, 08:18:00 PM
OK honey cakes, we'll take it slow.  Don't be weirded out.  Havn't you seen NYPD Blue.  I'm like one of the good guys on that flick.
Next time your in Dallas we'll meet up at Duncan Donuts. :wave:
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Post by: PerfectStraightling on December 13, 2004, 01:06:00 PM
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On 2004-01-19 10:50:00, Carmel wrote:

"That was Linda Aragon...she commenced right after I went in.  She was actually pretty cool...I hng out with her some later on...last I heard she was in Hawaii."


I think I remember her, she had dyed red hair and was shorter and skinny? I remember she must have come in probably April or May of 89 and I remember everyone yelled at her all the time. I guess she was full of shit or something,  :roll:
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Post by: groovy1634 on December 13, 2004, 01:09:00 PM
just say no to carbs..... :skull:
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Post by: Scarstruck on December 13, 2004, 01:14:00 PM
1st of all if you bust me itll be for under 2 oz and a misdemeanor .....Ive got $500 to pay the fine ..

2 we arent in your little podunk ass town so you cant bust shit

3 Better hurry Ive been on a taper and will be off methadone in 2 months

4 keep fucking with me and Ill post your adress, phone number, e mail , etc... so all of your old "Clients" can tell ya how much they miss you

Wanna try me, bitch?
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Post by: Scarstruck on December 13, 2004, 01:27:00 PM
How dare you make light of my medical treatments...
  How would your county like to know that you are a "Drug addict" and about straight?
 How about I take an ad out in your local paper with your name and links to documented evidence you were in a drug rehab?

 Dont play games with me, officer. You want to ruin my name ...fine...my names been ruined and Im making it just fine in the world...
  Your career depends on your name and reputation. What would the good citizens of your county think of their chief of police being a drug addicted child abuser?
   Now kindly shut the fuck up about my name and my medication I take and Dr I see etc...
  Lets not play the expose dirty laundry game , Ceasar.
 We arent friends...we arent on a "cool" level to joke.
 And do you realize that PTSD is a legit medical cause for marijuana?
 Do you realize what you...and your mentor Steve Brooks did to peoples minds?
  People 30 plus years old having nightmares about you humiliating them in front of hundreds of people..
  And all you can do is come on the internet with hollow threats "Im a cop now, neener neener Ill bust you neener" that aint funny you sick fuck.
   Remember when you told me how you made a traffic stop and it was an old Host Parent and you sat in your car and had a panic attack about it?
 And then you still dont want to admit what you were a part of? So what you are a cop in podunk wherever...dont come trying to throw your weight around here ...the only weight you have is in your fucking belly.
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Post by: groovy1634 on December 13, 2004, 01:29:00 PM
Scar, you are my hero....i feel vindicated and my soul is rested thanks to you....rock on

 :nworthy:
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Post by: RTP2003 on December 13, 2004, 03:15:00 PM
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On 2004-12-13 10:27:00, Scarstruck wrote:

"How dare you make light of my medical treatments...

  How would your county like to know that you are a "Drug addict" and about straight?

 How about I take an ad out in your local paper with your name and links to documented evidence you were in a drug rehab?



 Dont play games with me, officer. You want to ruin my name ...fine...my names been ruined and Im making it just fine in the world...

  Your career depends on your name and reputation. What would the good citizens of your county think of their chief of police being a drug addicted child abuser?

   Now kindly shut the fuck up about my name and my medication I take and Dr I see etc...

  Lets not play the expose dirty laundry game , Ceasar.

 We arent friends...we arent on a "cool" level to joke.

 And do you realize that PTSD is a legit medical cause for marijuana?

 Do you realize what you...and your mentor Steve Brooks did to peoples minds?

  People 30 plus years old having nightmares about you humiliating them in front of hundreds of people..

  And all you can do is come on the internet with hollow threats "Im a cop now, neener neener Ill bust you neener" that aint funny you sick fuck.

   Remember when you told me how you made a traffic stop and it was an old Host Parent and you sat in your car and had a panic attack about it?

 And then you still dont want to admit what you were a part of? So what you are a cop in podunk wherever...dont come trying to throw your weight around here ...the only weight you have is in your fucking belly.
"



Yeah, buddy!  Smoked pork, anyone?
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Post by: CesareV on December 13, 2004, 05:28:00 PM
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On 2004-12-13 12:15:00, RTP2003 wrote:

"
Quote

On 2004-12-13 10:27:00, Scarstruck wrote:


"How dare you make light of my medical treatments...


  How would your county like to know that you are a "Drug addict" and about straight?


 How about I take an ad out in your local paper with your name and links to documented evidence you were in a drug rehab?





 Dont play games with me, officer. You want to ruin my name ...fine...my names been ruined and Im making it just fine in the world...


  Your career depends on your name and reputation. What would the good citizens of your county think of their chief of police being a drug addicted child abuser?


   Now kindly shut the fuck up about my name and my medication I take and Dr I see etc...


  Lets not play the expose dirty laundry game , Ceasar.


 We arent friends...we arent on a "cool" level to joke.


 And do you realize that PTSD is a legit medical cause for marijuana?


 Do you realize what you...and your mentor Steve Brooks did to peoples minds?


  People 30 plus years old having nightmares about you humiliating them in front of hundreds of people..


  And all you can do is come on the internet with hollow threats "Im a cop now, neener neener Ill bust you neener" that aint funny you sick fuck.


   Remember when you told me how you made a traffic stop and it was an old Host Parent and you sat in your car and had a panic attack about it?


 And then you still dont want to admit what you were a part of? So what you are a cop in podunk wherever...dont come trying to throw your weight around here ...the only weight you have is in your fucking belly.

"






Yeah, buddy!  Smoked pork, anyone?
"

Gonna bust your ass RTP2003
My cousin Gaylord left Canada and now lives in Flordia.  He is going to show up at your house with so many pigs that you'll think your at a bacon factory.  Than we're gonna bust your ass.
But if you tell us where you get TBPITW we'll make things easy for ya.
See ya in the Gainsville interrigation room. :wave:
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Post by: Carmel on December 13, 2004, 05:36:00 PM
I think its just plain ugly for you to come here and ruffle your feathers at people that you were abusive to C.

I think its sad that you found a way to continue your power hungry behaviour beyond what you were allowed in the program.

Part of me is still wondering if you are just screwing around, because the very idea that there is a police officer out there with your background....STILL threateneing to put people on refreshers makes me want to leave the country...or at the very least quit paying my taxes.

Of all the messed up shit posted on this site....reading yours gets me the most.  Please cease and desist.

It's our goddamn duty to get these people back on drugs so they can think for themselves again!!!
RTP2003

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Post by: CesareV on December 13, 2004, 06:24:00 PM
All I did was ask for a donut.  When I found out you and I have a common love for donuts, I thought we were meant to be.
Don't worry about paying your taxes.  I give so many tickets that the county is loaded with cash.
In fact, Tell the IRS the cheif said you don't have pay taxes anymore.  If they have a problem with it I'll bust their ass.

 :grin:  :grin:
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Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2005, 12:37:00 PM
hey,

is this lesli, more or lessly? morley? is this the lesli whose girl is miss X?
if this is you, i'd like to be in touch with you again. you did me a good turn once years ago when i was in the US, getting mileage out of my thumb.
email me: [email protected]
sean
ciao4now
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Post by: Troll Control on March 26, 2005, 09:41:00 AM
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On 2004-12-13 15:24:00, CesareV wrote:

"All I did was ask for a donut.  When I found out you and I have a common love for donuts, I thought we were meant to be.

Don't worry about paying your taxes.  I give so many tickets that the county is loaded with cash.

In fact, Tell the IRS the cheif said you don't have pay taxes anymore.  If they have a problem with it I'll bust their ass.



 :grin:  :grin: "


This has got to be a troll.  Antigen has access to the IP address of the writer, so you should query her as to where it came from.

If this is a cop, let me caution you, Mr. Ham Sandwich.  Your IP address and header information will lead to your machine.  If you are using the internet to threaten or harass (which you are), you are subject to misdemeanor charges of Aggravated Harassment.  That's a fact.

Maybe Carmel should follow up and if you are a police officer, let your supervisor know about your behavior and your past.  Did you know that lying on your application is grounds for immediate dismissal?  Do you know how hard it is for a fired cop to get work?  Keep it up and you'll find out.

You think you're playing with weak-minded people who can be trifled with.  You're wrong.  Try me on for size, tough guy.  You'll be on the unemployment line so fast you'll drop your doughnuts.  FUCK WITH THE BULL AND YOU GET THE HORNS.
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Post by: ` on March 26, 2005, 09:55:00 AM
Wow, Cesare V is such a good troll, no one can tell! Props, whoever you are!  :nworthy:
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Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2005, 11:48:00 AM
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... orum=11&55 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8790&forum=11&55)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 1&start=10 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=&topic=8786&forum=11&start=10)
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Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2006, 04:42:00 PM
Yes, he killed his mom then put her in the trunk and drove out to Stephen F Austin or wherever his friends were going to college at the time.  He cut out pieces of bloody carpet and replaced them with pieces of good carpet from less conspicuous places.  He bludgeoned her to death.  I believe it was with a baseball bat.  I don't know what happened to him, but he must have gone down a really bad road, obviously.  I used to work with him and he was just a really really nice guy.  I remember a friend calling me at college to ask me if I knew him.  We were not close, but we did share a few laughs.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 26, 2006, 04:19:00 PM
Is it true that this cesear guy is a friggn butt plug pirate?   That is what I read earlier I think.  Also, I hear he is into playing with his and others poo as well.
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Post by: BridgetC on December 17, 2007, 07:02:33 PM
Quote from: Guest
I was one of the brainwashed that helped open the Dallas SYNANON IN 1986.  I came from St. Petersburg on 4th phase. 6 months on 1st phase. Damn Bastards. Oh, I mean WIZARDS. I remember them torturing those victims (misbehavers). I saw the suicide attempts. I saw the carvings, the restraints. Told to turn the "f--around and look straight" as another one runs for the door. Now he's feeling the pain. Got to keep motivating like they are not insane. Lets have a song like zippidy-doo-da-day, want some pain today if you don't obey. Or BINGO i THINK WAS HIS NAME-O.  Two more head for the door. DESTROYED THEY ARE TAKEN AWAY. Only distant screams now. But its time to play their GAME. Don't get called on, you're blown away. The pack is hungry. Lets get in his face. Lets break him today. They attack. Lining them up its no mistake.  Lets break him today.  He won't obey. NOT THE PROGRAM (7 OR 12 STEPS) but their "GAME". So your brothers and sisters begin to show you how to play.  Lead by the leaders who have spun their spells.   One by One they come yelling with all their game.  I tell you no lies.  How could I?  Weren?t you there that day?  They have done well with their prey. They broke him today.  He is under their spell.  Hope you can take it its just been one day.  (I am guilty of their ways).  Have a seat we have more to feed upon today. OH, And by the way ?does the group have something to say?.





      ?WE LOVE YOU?   



I don't know whether to laugh hysterically, cry or vomit after reading this.  Wow...it's powerful...and hits a little too close to home.
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Post by: Deprogrammed on December 17, 2007, 10:03:57 PM
Well, althoughI was in Kids Helping Kids, what ye wrote pretty much sums it up for me as well. Thank you for writing this and sharing this with all of us, I really appreciate it.
warm regards,
-DP



Quote from: ""Guest""
I was one of the brainwashed that helped open the Dallas SYNANON IN 1986.  I came from St. Petersburg on 4th phase. 6 months on 1st phase. Damn Bastards. Oh, I mean WIZARDS. I remember them torturing those victims (misbehavers). I saw the suicide attempts. I saw the carvings, the restraints. Told to turn the "f--around and look straight" as another one runs for the door. Now he's feeling the pain. Got to keep motivating like they are not insane. Lets have a song like zippidy-doo-da-day, want some pain today if you don't obey. Or BINGO i THINK WAS HIS NAME-O.  Two more head for the door. DESTROYED THEY ARE TAKEN AWAY. Only distant screams now. But its time to play their GAME. Don't get called on, you're blown away. The pack is hungry. Lets get in his face. Lets break him today. They attack. Lining them up its no mistake.  Lets break him today.  He won't obey. NOT THE PROGRAM (7 OR 12 STEPS) but their "GAME". So your brothers and sisters begin to show you how to play.  Lead by the leaders who have spun their spells.   One by One they come yelling with all their game.  I tell you no lies.  How could I?  Weren?t you there that day?  They have done well with their prey. They broke him today.  He is under their spell.  Hope you can take it its just been one day.  (I am guilty of their ways).  Have a seat we have more to feed upon today. OH, And by the way ?does the group have something to say?.





      ?WE LOVE YOU?   









I know the people you are asking about but have not kept in touch with anybody. I went on trainee for three months. They said i broke my 6 months. I felt something was up. I said i have to use the restroom and I never returned to the building.  The few that began Dallas hung out for awhile. We all began to fall. Some had during their program.

I will try to find out more. If anyone is

interested.

 

They lied i'm still alive.

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Post by: BridgetC on January 02, 2008, 07:23:56 PM
Wow...this has gotten creepy.  I'm not the timid easily manipulated little girl I was in Straight.  I've had a stroke, gotten out of brain surgery three times, and I have epilepsy now....I am a damn strong person living with the day to day trials.  But I swear, when I start reading some of the things Cesar is saying, my asshole quivers.  Yuck. Some people are just twisted.  It just goes to show that Straight messed up some peole more than others.  Or maybe he was just a bad seed.  That whole thing about calling his host home Aushewitz (sp?) is so messed up.  I am German, and I lived in Germany for a while.  I couldn't even bring myself to visit a place where people had no concept of the preciousness of life.  It's easy to get mad about it, but why waste my time?  I feel pity.  I'll pray for you, C.