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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 20, 2005, 03:08:00 AM
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i have been hearing a lot of crap thats being talked on the sight and ive been on it once or 2 before but not recently at all. anyways im just gonna type a quick note to a few people who have nothing better to do than waste their pathetic lives on the internet,in hopes that i can give them a quick idea on what they can do to make better use of their pathetic selves.
Mrs. Harris- Try harder on raising a daughter that looks like a female.
Erica- Scrub your face with proactive. If this doesnt take up enough time, try cooking your family some food, but make sure you dont get off in it.
Leah- Stop looking like a white charlie baltimore on crack.
Leah's grandma- have a heart attack already.
hope this helps you with your meaningless lives.
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See what your friends are capable of?
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Why is it when fact are brought up on this site about Mark Sudweeks' fortright lies being pointed out under the topic THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL, and references are made to the Harris's Statement to ISAC---
That you choose to attack past studentsk, who you claim to "love unconditionally" with remarks about their physical characteristics; and even have "death wishes" towards on of their grandparents.
Then you actually expect any readers to engage in a meaningful diaglog with you people?
You relate on a hateful, mind-controlled basis that does not know how to talk with any intelligence.
How does it feel to be filled with such hatred, and to be so close minded and predjudice?
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oh i see, the harris' shady past doesn't count here on fornuts? just the sudweeks bashing does?
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When you go into the business of fixing other people's lives, you lose a little of your privacy rights.
For example, as a truck driver or file clerk or something, it's perfectly OK to go spend a weekend at the Hedonism club in Jamaica and do as the locals do. If you happen to be a teacher or a news anchor, you can't do things like that and keep your job and standing in the community.
There is a double standard and it's valid.A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question
about it.
--GW Büsh, Business Week, July 30, 2001
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Hmm, even more credible infromation in defense of The Whitmore's wonderful influence on it's boarders. Keep it up, it only makes the case stronger against you. Remember you never know WHO might be reading this site. You and those trying to defend The Whitmore are losing ground each and every day. Ironically, you are doing it to yourselves and making those in opposition look more and more credible with each posting you make!I really think at this point, as a parent, I don't need to say anymore. You and the others have accomplished exacly what I knew you would.
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I stated on my first post on fornits Dec 2004 that I can stand up for myself, and that lies told about me would be exposed.
The topic on this site The Truth Will Prevail has verifed who lies.
We do not have a "shady" past or present.
Insinuating that we do does nothing to deflect the fact that the Sudweeks are the people being investigated for allegations of child abuse, fraud, etc.
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I might add:
That you speaking for the Sudweeks' cause, and making fun of a litttle 12 year old girl's physical characteristics, probably does not do a whole lot to help them.
We voiced our strong displeasure with this little girl being made up like a "Jezabel" at Whitmore.
Now just why do you think this was going on?
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my comment was not to defend anyone or any facility.
nor did i mention a minor child's features or dress code. i've never seen either and don't disgrace children.
all i said; was that to date we are only hearing the "harris" version of this story.
it would be interesting to hear the sudweeks saga? i haven't heard it yet, other than hearsay and excerts on this board. apparently, they don't frequent this site OR don't want their story told on a public forum.
the comment i made directed at your past could be; sunny, shady, rainy or any other for that matter. i mentioned "shady" just to get a response. everyone has something they don't particulary like to get out, but it happens. fact of life...
if whitmore IS guilty then bring them down by all means. file a law suit against them now, don't just file reports with the locals. close their doors for good. BUT if this all happened 3 months ago and they are still operating; the authorities MUST not have found any incriminating evidence to close them? or they could be untouchable like wwasps , OJ and MJ?
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the authorities MUST not have found any incriminating evidence to close them?
They lost there license, didn't they? As I understand it, that takes some doing. But of corse, their in Utah, so a license is not needed for business as usual to continue. However, they are still under investigation, aren't they? Who knows what all may take place as a result?
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Yes, the Sudweeks are still under investigation for child abuse, sexual abuse, and fraud...and there may be other charges as well.
The Sudweeks "surrendered their license for a treatment facility," and are currently trying to secure "full accreditation" with the Utah Office of Education for Whitmore Academy.
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my point exactly. if the evidence was so strong and supportive, one would think they could close them immediately? on the other hand, accusations against them by one or more people without representation will not prevail. i've seen it happen before. case in point; look at wwasp now.
Utah must have some strange laws, as well as the birds appointed to up hold them?
no one is for "sure" about anything. did they lose their credentials with the state over this incident, before or after?
i'm just inquiring, looking for facts. I would love for any of these so called "behavioral modification programs" to be closed down.
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The Sudweeks "surrendered their license for a treatment facility" as a direct result of the allegations of child abuse brought against them in November 2004.
Call the Attorney Generals office to verify if you wish.
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Does anyone know who the sexual abuse charges are against? Is it against an adult or child with another child unsupervised within the facility?
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The sexual abuse charges have been files against Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks.
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Just to let all of you know the Attorney General in Utah dismissed the child abuse case today. No evidence. Ex students and present sudents...do not waste your time on these people on this website. They really don't have much of a life than to say these things about good people. There is good at Whitmore and those of you who are there and have been there know this. No one can really control what these people think. Just pray for the Sudweeks and this will all end soon.
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Yeah, they routinely do the same for WWASP programs. Doesn't mean much, especially in light of the clear demonstrations of abusive behavior that we've seen here in these forums. Criminal? Probably not. At least I wouldn't want to see these kids prosecuted. But certainly worth knowing and understanding.
Is uniformity [of opinion] attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.
Thomas Jefferson
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No, they surrendered their license before the abuse allegations to obtain a boarding school license instead. The other license prevented them from travelling with the kids.
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ATTENTION:
The Attorney General's OFFICE HAS NOT
DROPPED ABUSE CHARGES AGAINST THE SUDWEEKS!!!!
The ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE ONLY HANDLES CIVIL
MATTERS and is STILL investigating the Sudweeks
For FRAUD etc.
The Attorney General's Office can be reached at801 812-5206 to verify that the posting saying the abuse charges have been dropped is an absolute LIE.
Whoever posted this is a LIAR!!!!!!!!!
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The sexual charges are aginst the Sudweeks.?
I dont mean to pry but this feels so familair from our program experience.
The Sudweeks were sexually abusing the kids?
Why have they not been put into jail/prison.
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I have no idea what so ever what might or might not have happened in this case - but I do want to remind folks that sexual abuse can be any number of things; some of which would not result in jail.
In some states (I don't know about Utah) just talking about sexual matters with a child in a way that equates to an attempt to humiliate or degrade a child is sexual abuse - but its a misdemeanor, not a felony.
Felony child abuse can result in prison, and will involved some degree of touching - tho not necessarily rape.
However, apparently there are also cases that do in fact include rape, that don't result in prison, as I know of a man who confessed to raping/molesting both his young step daughters, and his only consequence was forced family therapy and being court ordered out of the house until the girls were 18.
How such things can be in this day and age, I don't know, but I personally know these people and this is what was.
One of the girls now has a young daughter and her Mom (and so her step dad) baby sit. There is no count order protecting this child. As the pedophile gran pa was never convicted in criminal court there is no sex crime registry that names him and no agency watching him.
And so, we see that Justice is indeed blind.
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On 2005-02-21 08:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"my comment was not to defend anyone or any facility.
What WAS the purpose then??
nor did i mention a minor child's features or dress code. i've never seen either and don't disgrace children.
Really? What was this all about then?
Mrs. Harris- Try harder on raising a daughter that looks like a female.
Erica- Scrub your face with proactive. If this doesnt take up enough time, try cooking your family some food, but make sure you dont get off in it.
Leah- Stop looking like a white charlie baltimore on crack.
A free people ought...to be armed...
George Washington, 1790
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the purpose was to remind everyone that there are two sides to every story. then there is the truth.
i'll still stand behind not making fun of children. that response you quoted was not from my post. it was from another anon prior to my response. sorry!
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On 2005-02-23 07:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
that response you quoted was not from my post. it was from another anon prior to my response. sorry!
It does get difficult to tell the anons apart. Might help if you chose a username.Redemption: Deliverance of sinners from the penalty of their sins through the murder of their deity against whom they sinned.
--Ambrose Bierce
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Does anyone know specifically what the charges were? Were they child abuse in general or specifically sexual abuse or both??
God is inconceivable, immortality is unbelievable, but duty is peremptory and absolute.
--George Eliot, author
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Anon: You are absolutely wrong!!
The Sudweeks "surrendered their license" in a meeting with the Attorney General, the County Attorney, the Case Worker/Investigator, the Sudweeks and their Attorney as a DIRECT result of the criminal investigation against the boy that begam in November 2004.
Get your facts straight!!!!!!
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Cayo: a parent will not usaully say specifically what the allegations of sexually abuse are until the authorities make the formal charges.
And there is a minor child involved here too, remember.
These are issues that are not discussed on a public forum.
Charges have been filed against both Sudweeks on behalf of this minor girl.
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I was just asking if these charges consisted of physical abuse, sexual or both. I would never expect a parent to post the specifics of the sexual abuse charges. I just didn't know if there were multiple charges for multiple types of abuses or what.
The more BORING a child is, the more the parents,
when showing off the child, receive adulation for
being GOOD PARENTS -- because they have a TAME
CHILD-CREATURE in their house.
--Frank Zappa
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cayo,
i was as interested as you in all of this and was attempting to seperate the hearsay and second hand news from the truth and or facts.
everyone was bashing the whitmore and supporting joyce/ richard harris. my enquiring was to obtain facts from this episode in the child for profit industry.
if the whitmore is guilty they deserve the bashing. and the truth will eventually be told. but i am wondering if all of the investigating has stopped. if it has and they are guilty why isn't whitmore closed?
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From what I understand there have been charges filed on behalf of a boy and a girl. Physical abuse in the boys case and sexual in the girls. If anyone has further info that would clear up what charges have or have not been "dismissed" or what charges are or are not still being investigated, that would be very helpful.
If I've missed it in the thread somewhere, sorry. Been gone for a week or so. I'll look around more today but thought if anyone had the info at hand it would be easier.When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence.
-- Gary Lloyd
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A very mis-informed parent posted on this site yesterday that the Attorney General had dropped charges against the Sudweeks.
This is NOT TRUE.
The Attorney Generals office is handling the civil matters in this case and is still investigating the Sudweeks for fraud, etc.
The Sudweeks are still being criminally investigated for child abuse against the boy and for sexual abuse against the girl.
People who wish to be informed for themselves, can call the authorites---the Nephi Police, the County Attorney, the Attorney Generals office.
These authorities will talk to concerned parents and citizens.
The investigations are still active and on-going.
And the Whitmore Academy has not been "closed down," because we do live in the United States of America; and people are considered innocent until charged, and tried in a court of law and proven otherwise. That is just how it works.
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Thanks for the updates!
IF the charges are true, let's hope the victim's voices will be heard and the perps are given a sentence that is appropriate to punishing them for abusing defenseless children.
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isn't mrs. harris a teach of some sort?
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[ This Message was edited by: Joyce Harris on 2006-04-01 12:03 ]
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Hear the Sudweeks are taking the kiddos down to Mexico for "travel study." RIGHT!
Also hear some of the Whitmore parents are concerned about the legalities of the Sudweeks taking their kids out of the country while the investigation is going on.
If these parents are concerned:
Why don't they #1 call their attorney and ask if it is OK for people who are under investigation for FRAUD, ABUSE, etc to take their kids out of the United States?
or #2 call the Attorney General or Nephi Police and ask if this is OK?
or #3 call the Sudweeks and say: "Hey, this doesn't sound like a really good idea...don't take my kid out of the country until this matter is cleared up."
Or better yet: Why are these parents allowing people who are under investigation for child abuse to be in charge of their kids PERIOD?
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After the travel study trip, Next comes Whitmore Graduation. What a Joke that is!
What until these parents figure out the DIPLOMA means absolutely NOTHING. And their poor kid will have to take the GED, and at best will MAYBE get accepted on "probation" into their neighborhood Community College....this is IF they can pass the GED with the knowlege they had prior to their year at the fine Whitmore Academy.
You do know that most colleges and universities only accept high school transcripts from "fully accredited" schools, don't you?
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Sure hope the new Principal/Administrator Mr. Tom Hudson doesn't take it upon himself to stamp those diplomas or transcripts with a great big
FULLY ACCREDITED Stamp!!
The Superintendent, Dr. Patti Harrington of Utah Office of Education is having Whitmore Academy's "candidacy status" of accreditation audited for "fraud, abuse and waste."
Understand Mr. Hudson formerly worked at the Utah Office of Education himself--he'd know better than THAT, now wouldn't he?
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The trip to Mexico. Lots of bad things happen to kids on some of these trips. It's not always just fun and games. Remember that.
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In my child's own words,"Tt was bad Mom, really bad." There was sex, drugs, alcohol and physical abuse. Several kids were physically punished by other kids for misbehaving. My child witnesses another child get his nose smashed by another kid. Others were punched, kicked and hit for "smoking pot" or "having sex" or "getting drunk." What in the world would you expect with 40 kids/teens turned lose that are heavily monitored at all times while at The Whitmore.
I have also heard that several kids were "smuggled on board the ship" in order to save money. One was actually deported for not having the proper papers. Apparently our $40K wasn't enough for the trip even after buying low grade food, open feast time at Cosco and once a day meals. I was shocked my child witnessed the blatant act of stealing from the cruise line as well as involving several children to participate.
Yes, parents, beware of the trips. I know I personally would have removed my child long ago if I had read a fraction of these postings. If you chose to leave your child there during the investigation, please beware of the trips! My child had no reason to lie or make up the events witnessed, especially being home safe. Sadly several of the other kids have shared the same horror stories with me-not knowing what the others had shared!
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So many of the kids' stories match up. Some of these kids were not even at the Whitmore at the same time.
Cheryl Sudweeks doesn't change her tactics, but they do get a more and more scary as time passes.
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Understand the authorities finally did something and the kids have been moved out of the BOYS HOUSE and the "living quarters" in the SCHOOL HOUSE.
Seems the Sudweeks finally 'realized' they don't have a license to be housing thise kids in these locations, and DO have to obey a law now and then.
So all of these "students" are now being housed at the so-called MANSION.
If the count is correct, that is 36 students, the Sudweeks and their 2 kids, and two former students who are called Proctors.
That is 42 people packed in that place.
If I were a parent paying for "Private School" accomodations, I'd sure be calling the Sudweeks to see if my kid had a bed, or if they were one of the unforturnate one sleeping on the floor!
Must be a real problme now with the toilets that can't have toilet paper flushed down the toilets.
Lots of unlined trash cans full of NASTY toliet paper. UGH!
Sure hope the timed 2 minute showers prior to 5AM haven't been cut back, TOO!
I'd be worried about fire and health codes if my kid was there.
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Well if parents aren't concerned about thier kids being packed in that house like sardines, they should be worrried about their kids being taken to Mexico. Don't they read travel alerts, or warnings from the State Department? These kids don't seem to be supervised in that small town. Sure wouldn't want my kid down in Mexico on the loose right now.
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This is where some type of parental responsibility must come in. Parents need to check these travel alerts, and if it is not safe to have those kids in Mexico, then they need to tell the Sudweeks to be traveling within the U.S. for Spring Break, period. And is there no City Codes for the occupancy rate/limit for how many people can be safely housed in one public building in that town? If the Sudweeks can not be responsible, then someone needs to be!
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[ This Message was edited by: Joyce Harris on 2006-04-01 12:05 ]