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Co-Owner of Private School Charged With Child Abuse
Jun. 13, 2005
A Utah private school for troubled teens is facing troubles of its own. After a 7 month investigation, its co-owner has been charged with child abuse.
Samantha Hayes reporting
A Utah private school for troubled teens is facing troubles of its own. After a 7 month investigation, its co-owner has been charged with child abuse. The school itself is at odds with the state over licensing as well.
The Whitmore Academy is a private boarding school run by Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks. Police began taking a closer look at their operation last year when one of the students claimed he was physically and verbally abused.
Nephi police had been investigating the Whitmore Academy for six months when we made an unannounced visit in April. Co-owner Cheryl Sudweeks invited Eyewitness News to choir practice.
Cheryl Sudweeks, Co-owner, Whitmore Academy: ?You'd think after six months we'd hear something. We've never heard anything valid, and we do have an attorney who works for us."
Sudweeks is now facing seven misdemeanor counts of chid abuse and hazing. She is accused of "causing physical injury...and permitting others to inflict physical injury on a child?. The alleged incidents happened between April 2003 and November 2004.
Leah Schacherer was enrolled at Whitmore Academy during that time.
Leah Schacherer, former Whitmore Student: ?Cheryl pulled my hair, pushed me over a chair, and spit in my face and called me a bunch of names and it happened to other kids."
At the same time, investigators say the Whitmore violates a new state licensing law, a requirement for schools providing therapy.
Ken Stettler, Director of Licensing: ?I don't know where its going to lead at this point..whether they are going to recognize the fact the new law does encompass what they are doing..or if they are going to claim they are a boarding school or change their practices or what.."
Cheryl Sudweeks, Co-owner, Whitmore Academy: ?We don't have therapy, we have counseling..just like a high school counselor would do."
Sudweeks says the Whitmore Academy is strictly a Boarding School , exempt from state regulators..
Cheryl Sudweeks, Co-owner, Whitmore Academy: ?We have students graduation in May, we're really proud of that."
But in the midst of abuse and licensing allegations, there are other questions from parents and their children, about the value of a 40-thousand dollar a year Whitmore education.
Leah Schacherer, former Whitmore Student: ?Now I'm trying to go to college and its hard because I didn't learn things I should have learned in high school."
We were unable to reach Cheryl or Mark Sudweeks on Monday for comment on the charges. They have told me before that many parents support what they do, and feel their program is successful for many teenagers.
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Deseret Morning News, Tuesday, June 14, 2005
Juab accuses school owner of child abuse
By Amy Joi Bryson
Deseret Morning News
Already expelled from Mexico and accused of animal cruelty in Canada, the operator of a private youth boarding school in Nephi now faces criminal charges related to alleged abuse and neglect of students in the program.
Child welfare investigators said they substantiated eight instances of physical abuse, educational neglect, medical neglect and environmental neglect last fall against the Whitmore Academy in Nephi, which typically has about 30 students.
Last week, Juab County Attorney Jared Eldridge has filed seven misdemeanor counts of child abuse and hazing against co-owner Cheryl Sudweeks, 50.
The alleged incidents happened from April 2003 through November 2004 and involve four victims.
Eldridge, while declining to go into much detail, said his evidence suggests Sudweeks either directly caused harm to the victims or allowed others to commit the abuse. His office is continuing to conduct additional investigations that may result in more charges against her.
At this time, Eldridge said, co-owner Mark Sudweeks has not been charged.
"Cheryl Sudweeks was the primary actor. Mr. Sudweeks has been in the background, coming in afterward, on the fringes and on the peripheral," Eldridge said. "We are still looking at some other things."
Parents critical of Whitmore say some of the charges stem from an incident in November when a male teenager ran away after an assault reportedly involving Cheryl Sudweeks. In an earlier incident, several other students allegedly assaulted the boy at her urging.
Sudweeks faces a June 23 arraignment in 4th District Court, where Eldridge says he plans to ask the judge to issue an order prohibiting her from having any contact with minor children.
Matt Hilton, the Sudweekses' attorney, has said he doesn't dispute that the state Division of Child and Family Services had enough information to conduct an investigation, but he added that the majority of the parents continue to support the program.
Hilton could not be reached Monday to comment specifically on the recent charges. Phone calls to the Whitmore Academy went unanswered.
Earlier this year, Whitmore was cited for several fire-code violations by the state Fire Marshal's Office, including lack of a second exit. The Sudweekses had until mid-May to come into compliance with the fire codes, and authorities said they have made those corrections.
The latest trouble stems from a months-long investigation by the Nephi Police Department and the Juab County Attorney's Office that was a fallout from the DCFS probe.
Because of licensing violations discovered around the same time, the state Office of Licensing sent a notice of revocation to the Sudweekses for the operation of their residential treatment center.
The revocation was the last in a flurry of licensing problems dating back to 2001, including state concerns that the Sudsweekses operated a youth center under the guise of a bed and breakfast.
So why, with that background, are they still running youth programs?
"It is a valid question," said Ken Stettler, the director of state licensing who came on in May 2002 and believes licenses granted earlier were inappropriate.
The Sudweekses, however, continue to operate what they say is a boarding school offering academics only ? an assertion licensing officials reject.
"We have reason to believe they are holding themselves out as a therapeutic boarding school," which would bring them under state purview, Stettler said.
The difference of opinion has resulted in a standoff between the operators and the state ? a standoff Stettler believes could result in a court injunction to prevent the continued operation of what's commonly called the Whitmore Mansion.
"We will have to see what they stipulate to and what they agree to. We may have to end up taking them to court," Stettler said. "Frankly, I think we have enough evidence already."
Last month, the Sudweekses applied for and received a conditional use permit to expand their operations to unincorporated Juab County. Plans for the property, about four miles south of Nephi, include a facility for equine therapy, said a county zoning administrator.
The Sudweekses landed in trouble in 2002 after Canadian authorities discovered a herd of starving horses on their property in British Columbia, where they had operated a youth program.
Although the Sudweekses asserted the animals' welfare was left to a caretaker, a judge eventually found Mark Sudweeks guilty of two charges under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act, imposing a lifetime prohibition of owning or caring for animals. He was fined $4,000 and ordered to pay more than $100,000 in restitution to the animal cruelty organization tasked with caring for the horses.
In 2001, the pair was ordered to pack up their program in Mexico ? along with 14 teen clients ? because of what authorities said was the illegal operation of the business, a violation of their tourist visas.
The order came from the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana involving a program in Santa Rosalia on the Baja California Peninsula.
Eldridge said he is unaware of how the criminal charges and pending investigation will play out with the Sudweekses' plans for the property south of Nephi, but he does believe it would be good for the operation to come under some oversight.
"Of course it concerns me," he said. "I have concerns about their program and the way they operate their program. . . . They have a pattern of just disregarding procedures."
While the state is in the process of drafting rules governing oversight of therapeutic schools, the Sudweekses' contention their operation is merely a boarding school ? if correct ? would leave them outside regulatory control, despite any criminal charges against an operator.
"There ought to be some oversight on any type of boarding school, regardless of any type of kid in there," Stettler said, "but that is not how the law reads."
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Parents frantic after three students go AWOL from boarding school
Whitmore Academy: One of the three, from North Carolina, is still missing
By Kirsten Stewart
The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake Tribune
On May 31, when Peggy Rodebush last saw her 17-year-old son, he was safely enrolled at a Utah boarding school and, for the first time in years, enthusiastic about learning.
A week later, school officials informed Rodebush that Michael was missing.
"I thought, 'Oh my God, what happened to my son? Where is he?' You can't imagine the sheer panic," said Rodebush from her home in Tampa, Fla. After four sleepless nights and countless hours on the phone, Rodebush tracked down Michael and two other missing Whitmore students at an outdoor rock music concert in Manchester, Tenn.
Since then, the parents of the three runaways have worked feverishly to retrieve their children and piece together how and why they disappeared. One North Carolina boy remains missing.
Rodebush's husband will retrieve Michael today from a juvenile detention facility, where he is being held as a runaway. The third boy arrived home in Maryland over the weekend.
Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks, the owners of Whitmore, did not immediately respond Monday to attempts to reach them for comment, nor did Nephi police.
Whitmore is not currently licensed by state officials. Inspectors want to bring it under state regulations, arguing it qualifies as a therapeutic facility, but the school is fighting that designation.
Rodebush believes the boys were assisted by school critic Joyce Harris of San Antonio, whose daughter allegedly suffered abuse at Whitmore in 2004. Harris denies Rodebush's claim, and says a Whitmore employee facilitated their exodus. She declined further comment.
Rodebush bases her account on a brief phone call with her son and numerous discussions with Nephi police.
She says the three boys left Whitmore on June 6 and hid out in Nephi overnight, where Harris allegedly wired them money and provided for transportation to Salt Lake City International Airport. The following day, they boarded a flight to Chicago, again allegedly paid for by Harris, and spent the evening at an apartment in the city.
"If this woman was really worried about my son, why didn't she call me?" said Rodebush. "She has never even met Michael. Who is she to decide she has a better solution for my son?"
Juab County Attorney Jared Eldridge says there is some evidence that Harris was involved, but it appears the boys contacted her after running away.
"I don't know if Joyce [Harris] purchased the tickets, but doing so isn't a criminal offense," said Eldridge.
Later that week, Rodebush says, the boys took three separate buses to Bonaroo, a jam band concert on a 700-acre farm in Manchester that draws hundreds of thousands of fans.
"They couldn't get on the same bus, so they agreed to meet at the festival," said Rodebush.
Tired and running out of money, the 16-year-old Maryland boy on Saturday phoned his parents, who convinced him and Michael Rodebush to go to the police. They never met up with Kyle McEvoy, who is still missing.
Tom McEvoy, the North Carolina father of the 17-year-old, is "sick with worry," and working with Manchester police to find his son. He says he has had limited contact with the school.
"I just want my son back," said McEvoy, noting, "I was there for parents' weekend a week before all this went down and none of the boys indicated they were unhappy or planning on running away."
Rodebush also attended parents' weekend, and says her son Michael gave rave reviews of the school.
Unsatisfied with the county attorney's response to Harris' possible involvement, Rodebush has contacted the FBI and plans to file a complaint with the Utah Attorney General's office.
Meanwhile, Whitmore owner Cheryl Sudweeks is facing five misdemeanor counts of child abuse and two counts of hazing, filed last week for allegedly humiliating and harming four Whitmore students in 2003 and 2004.
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On 2005-06-14 06:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Co-Owner of Private School Charged With Child Abuse
Jun. 13, 2005
A Utah private school for troubled teens is facing troubles of its own. After a 7 month investigation, its co-owner has been charged with child abuse.
Samantha Hayes reporting
A Utah private school for troubled teens is facing troubles of its own. After a 7 month investigation, its co-owner has been charged with child abuse. The school itself is at odds with the state over licensing as well.
The Whitmore Academy is a private boarding school run by Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks. Police began taking a closer look at their operation last year when one of the students claimed he was physically and verbally abused.
Nephi police had been investigating the Whitmore Academy for six months when we made an unannounced visit in April. Co-owner Cheryl Sudweeks invited Eyewitness News to choir practice.
Cheryl Sudweeks, Co-owner, Whitmore Academy: ?You'd think after six months we'd hear something. We've never heard anything valid, and we do have an attorney who works for us."
Sudweeks is now facing seven misdemeanor counts of chid abuse and hazing. She is accused of "causing physical injury...and permitting others to inflict physical injury on a child?. The alleged incidents happened between April 2003 and November 2004.
Leah Schacherer was enrolled at Whitmore Academy during that time.
Leah Schacherer, former Whitmore Student: ?Cheryl pulled my hair, pushed me over a chair, and spit in my face and called me a bunch of names and it happened to other kids."
At the same time, investigators say the Whitmore violates a new state licensing law, a requirement for schools providing therapy.
Ken Stettler, Director of Licensing: ?I don't know where its going to lead at this point..whether they are going to recognize the fact the new law does encompass what they are doing..or if they are going to claim they are a boarding school or change their practices or what.."
Cheryl Sudweeks, Co-owner, Whitmore Academy: ?We don't have therapy, we have counseling..just like a high school counselor would do."
Sudweeks says the Whitmore Academy is strictly a Boarding School , exempt from state regulators..
Cheryl Sudweeks, Co-owner, Whitmore Academy: ?We have students graduation in May, we're really proud of that."
But in the midst of abuse and licensing allegations, there are other questions from parents and their children, about the value of a 40-thousand dollar a year Whitmore education.
Leah Schacherer, former Whitmore Student: ?Now I'm trying to go to college and its hard because I didn't learn things I should have learned in high school."
We were unable to reach Cheryl or Mark Sudweeks on Monday for comment on the charges. They have told me before that many parents support what they do, and feel their program is successful for many teenagers.
http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=211898&nid=5 (http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=211898&nid=5)
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Whitmore is JUST a boarding school????? Give me a break. A kid could get the same classes at a trade school or night school almost any place. Sure would save parents thousands of dollars. If anyone believes what the Sudweeks are really only running a boarding school, contact me, I have a bridge I'd be glad to sell you.
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On 2005-06-14 06:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Deseret Morning News, Tuesday, June 14, 2005
Juab accuses school owner of child abuse
By Amy Joi Bryson
Deseret Morning News
Already expelled from Mexico and accused of animal cruelty in Canada, the operator of a private youth boarding school in Nephi now faces criminal charges related to alleged abuse and neglect of students in the program.
Child welfare investigators said they substantiated eight instances of physical abuse, educational neglect, medical neglect and environmental neglect last fall against the Whitmore Academy in Nephi, which typically has about 30 students.
Last week, Juab County Attorney Jared Eldridge has filed seven misdemeanor counts of child abuse and hazing against co-owner Cheryl Sudweeks, 50.
The alleged incidents happened from April 2003 through November 2004 and involve four victims.
Eldridge, while declining to go into much detail, said his evidence suggests Sudweeks either directly caused harm to the victims or allowed others to commit the abuse. His office is continuing to conduct additional investigations that may result in more charges against her.
At this time, Eldridge said, co-owner Mark Sudweeks has not been charged.
"Cheryl Sudweeks was the primary actor. Mr. Sudweeks has been in the background, coming in afterward, on the fringes and on the peripheral," Eldridge said. "We are still looking at some other things."
Parents critical of Whitmore say some of the charges stem from an incident in November when a male teenager ran away after an assault reportedly involving Cheryl Sudweeks. In an earlier incident, several other students allegedly assaulted the boy at her urging.
Sudweeks faces a June 23 arraignment in 4th District Court, where Eldridge says he plans to ask the judge to issue an order prohibiting her from having any contact with minor children.
Matt Hilton, the Sudweekses' attorney, has said he doesn't dispute that the state Division of Child and Family Services had enough information to conduct an investigation, but he added that the majority of the parents continue to support the program.
Hilton could not be reached Monday to comment specifically on the recent charges. Phone calls to the Whitmore Academy went unanswered.
Earlier this year, Whitmore was cited for several fire-code violations by the state Fire Marshal's Office, including lack of a second exit. The Sudweekses had until mid-May to come into compliance with the fire codes, and authorities said they have made those corrections.
The latest trouble stems from a months-long investigation by the Nephi Police Department and the Juab County Attorney's Office that was a fallout from the DCFS probe.
Because of licensing violations discovered around the same time, the state Office of Licensing sent a notice of revocation to the Sudweekses for the operation of their residential treatment center.
The revocation was the last in a flurry of licensing problems dating back to 2001, including state concerns that the Sudsweekses operated a youth center under the guise of a bed and breakfast.
So why, with that background, are they still running youth programs?
"It is a valid question," said Ken Stettler, the director of state licensing who came on in May 2002 and believes licenses granted earlier were inappropriate.
The Sudweekses, however, continue to operate what they say is a boarding school offering academics only ? an assertion licensing officials reject.
"We have reason to believe they are holding themselves out as a therapeutic boarding school," which would bring them under state purview, Stettler said.
The difference of opinion has resulted in a standoff between the operators and the state ? a standoff Stettler believes could result in a court injunction to prevent the continued operation of what's commonly called the Whitmore Mansion.
"We will have to see what they stipulate to and what they agree to. We may have to end up taking them to court," Stettler said. "Frankly, I think we have enough evidence already."
Last month, the Sudweekses applied for and received a conditional use permit to expand their operations to unincorporated Juab County. Plans for the property, about four miles south of Nephi, include a facility for equine therapy, said a county zoning administrator.
The Sudweekses landed in trouble in 2002 after Canadian authorities discovered a herd of starving horses on their property in British Columbia, where they had operated a youth program.
Although the Sudweekses asserted the animals' welfare was left to a caretaker, a judge eventually found Mark Sudweeks guilty of two charges under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act, imposing a lifetime prohibition of owning or caring for animals. He was fined $4,000 and ordered to pay more than $100,000 in restitution to the animal cruelty organization tasked with caring for the horses.
In 2001, the pair was ordered to pack up their program in Mexico ? along with 14 teen clients ? because of what authorities said was the illegal operation of the business, a violation of their tourist visas.
The order came from the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana involving a program in Santa Rosalia on the Baja California Peninsula.
Eldridge said he is unaware of how the criminal charges and pending investigation will play out with the Sudweekses' plans for the property south of Nephi, but he does believe it would be good for the operation to come under some oversight.
"Of course it concerns me," he said. "I have concerns about their program and the way they operate their program. . . . They have a pattern of just disregarding procedures."
While the state is in the process of drafting rules governing oversight of therapeutic schools, the Sudweekses' contention their operation is merely a boarding school ? if correct ? would leave them outside regulatory control, despite any criminal charges against an operator.
"There ought to be some oversight on any type of boarding school, regardless of any type of kid in there," Stettler said, "but that is not how the law reads."
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E-mail: [email protected]
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© 2005 Deseret News Publishing Company
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Just curious ... were parents aware of the Sudweeks "history" before they placed their kids in their care?
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On 2005-06-14 07:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Parents frantic after three students go AWOL from boarding school
Whitmore Academy: One of the three, from North Carolina, is still missing
By Kirsten Stewart
The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake Tribune
On May 31, when Peggy Rodebush last saw her 17-year-old son, he was safely enrolled at a Utah boarding school and, for the first time in years, enthusiastic about learning.
A week later, school officials informed Rodebush that Michael was missing.
"I thought, 'Oh my God, what happened to my son? Where is he?' You can't imagine the sheer panic," said Rodebush from her home in Tampa, Fla. After four sleepless nights and countless hours on the phone, Rodebush tracked down Michael and two other missing Whitmore students at an outdoor rock music concert in Manchester, Tenn.
Since then, the parents of the three runaways have worked feverishly to retrieve their children and piece together how and why they disappeared. One North Carolina boy remains missing.
Rodebush's husband will retrieve Michael today from a juvenile detention facility, where he is being held as a runaway. The third boy arrived home in Maryland over the weekend.
Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks, the owners of Whitmore, did not immediately respond Monday to attempts to reach them for comment, nor did Nephi police.
Whitmore is not currently licensed by state officials. Inspectors want to bring it under state regulations, arguing it qualifies as a therapeutic facility, but the school is fighting that designation.
Rodebush believes the boys were assisted by school critic Joyce Harris of San Antonio, whose daughter allegedly suffered abuse at Whitmore in 2004. Harris denies Rodebush's claim, and says a Whitmore employee facilitated their exodus. She declined further comment.
Rodebush bases her account on a brief phone call with her son and numerous discussions with Nephi police.
She says the three boys left Whitmore on June 6 and hid out in Nephi overnight, where Harris allegedly wired them money and provided for transportation to Salt Lake City International Airport. The following day, they boarded a flight to Chicago, again allegedly paid for by Harris, and spent the evening at an apartment in the city.
"If this woman was really worried about my son, why didn't she call me?" said Rodebush. "She has never even met Michael. Who is she to decide she has a better solution for my son?"
Juab County Attorney Jared Eldridge says there is some evidence that Harris was involved, but it appears the boys contacted her after running away.
"I don't know if Joyce [Harris] purchased the tickets, but doing so isn't a criminal offense," said Eldridge.
Later that week, Rodebush says, the boys took three separate buses to Bonaroo, a jam band concert on a 700-acre farm in Manchester that draws hundreds of thousands of fans.
"They couldn't get on the same bus, so they agreed to meet at the festival," said Rodebush.
Tired and running out of money, the 16-year-old Maryland boy on Saturday phoned his parents, who convinced him and Michael Rodebush to go to the police. They never met up with Kyle McEvoy, who is still missing.
Tom McEvoy, the North Carolina father of the 17-year-old, is "sick with worry," and working with Manchester police to find his son. He says he has had limited contact with the school.
"I just want my son back," said McEvoy, noting, "I was there for parents' weekend a week before all this went down and none of the boys indicated they were unhappy or planning on running away."
Rodebush also attended parents' weekend, and says her son Michael gave rave reviews of the school.
Unsatisfied with the county attorney's response to Harris' possible involvement, Rodebush has contacted the FBI and plans to file a complaint with the Utah Attorney General's office.
Meanwhile, Whitmore owner Cheryl Sudweeks is facing five misdemeanor counts of child abuse and two counts of hazing, filed last week for allegedly humiliating and harming four Whitmore students in 2003 and 2004.
[email protected]
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Juab County Attorney Jared Eldridge says there is some evidence that Harris was involved, but it appears the boys contacted her after running away.
"I don't know if Joyce [Harris] purchased the tickets, but doing so isn't a criminal offense," said Eldridge.
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On 2005-06-14 07:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-14 06:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Deseret Morning News, Tuesday, June 14, 2005
Juab accuses school owner of child abuse
By Amy Joi Bryson
Deseret Morning News
Already expelled from Mexico and accused of animal cruelty in Canada, the operator of a private youth boarding school in Nephi now faces criminal charges related to alleged abuse and neglect of students in the program.
Child welfare investigators said they substantiated eight instances of physical abuse, educational neglect, medical neglect and environmental neglect last fall against the Whitmore Academy in Nephi, which typically has about 30 students.
Last week, Juab County Attorney Jared Eldridge has filed seven misdemeanor counts of child abuse and hazing against co-owner Cheryl Sudweeks, 50.
The alleged incidents happened from April 2003 through November 2004 and involve four victims.
Eldridge, while declining to go into much detail, said his evidence suggests Sudweeks either directly caused harm to the victims or allowed others to commit the abuse. His office is continuing to conduct additional investigations that may result in more charges against her.
At this time, Eldridge said, co-owner Mark Sudweeks has not been charged.
"Cheryl Sudweeks was the primary actor. Mr. Sudweeks has been in the background, coming in afterward, on the fringes and on the peripheral," Eldridge said. "We are still looking at some other things."
Parents critical of Whitmore say some of the charges stem from an incident in November when a male teenager ran away after an assault reportedly involving Cheryl Sudweeks. In an earlier incident, several other students allegedly assaulted the boy at her urging.
Sudweeks faces a June 23 arraignment in 4th District Court, where Eldridge says he plans to ask the judge to issue an order prohibiting her from having any contact with minor children.
Matt Hilton, the Sudweekses' attorney, has said he doesn't dispute that the state Division of Child and Family Services had enough information to conduct an investigation, but he added that the majority of the parents continue to support the program.
Hilton could not be reached Monday to comment specifically on the recent charges. Phone calls to the Whitmore Academy went unanswered.
Earlier this year, Whitmore was cited for several fire-code violations by the state Fire Marshal's Office, including lack of a second exit. The Sudweekses had until mid-May to come into compliance with the fire codes, and authorities said they have made those corrections.
The latest trouble stems from a months-long investigation by the Nephi Police Department and the Juab County Attorney's Office that was a fallout from the DCFS probe.
Because of licensing violations discovered around the same time, the state Office of Licensing sent a notice of revocation to the Sudweekses for the operation of their residential treatment center.
The revocation was the last in a flurry of licensing problems dating back to 2001, including state concerns that the Sudsweekses operated a youth center under the guise of a bed and breakfast.
So why, with that background, are they still running youth programs?
"It is a valid question," said Ken Stettler, the director of state licensing who came on in May 2002 and believes licenses granted earlier were inappropriate.
The Sudweekses, however, continue to operate what they say is a boarding school offering academics only ? an assertion licensing officials reject.
"We have reason to believe they are holding themselves out as a therapeutic boarding school," which would bring them under state purview, Stettler said.
The difference of opinion has resulted in a standoff between the operators and the state ? a standoff Stettler believes could result in a court injunction to prevent the continued operation of what's commonly called the Whitmore Mansion.
"We will have to see what they stipulate to and what they agree to. We may have to end up taking them to court," Stettler said. "Frankly, I think we have enough evidence already."
Last month, the Sudweekses applied for and received a conditional use permit to expand their operations to unincorporated Juab County. Plans for the property, about four miles south of Nephi, include a facility for equine therapy, said a county zoning administrator.
The Sudweekses landed in trouble in 2002 after Canadian authorities discovered a herd of starving horses on their property in British Columbia, where they had operated a youth program.
Although the Sudweekses asserted the animals' welfare was left to a caretaker, a judge eventually found Mark Sudweeks guilty of two charges under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act, imposing a lifetime prohibition of owning or caring for animals. He was fined $4,000 and ordered to pay more than $100,000 in restitution to the animal cruelty organization tasked with caring for the horses.
In 2001, the pair was ordered to pack up their program in Mexico ? along with 14 teen clients ? because of what authorities said was the illegal operation of the business, a violation of their tourist visas.
The order came from the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana involving a program in Santa Rosalia on the Baja California Peninsula.
Eldridge said he is unaware of how the criminal charges and pending investigation will play out with the Sudweekses' plans for the property south of Nephi, but he does believe it would be good for the operation to come under some oversight.
"Of course it concerns me," he said. "I have concerns about their program and the way they operate their program. . . . They have a pattern of just disregarding procedures."
While the state is in the process of drafting rules governing oversight of therapeutic schools, the Sudweekses' contention their operation is merely a boarding school ? if correct ? would leave them outside regulatory control, despite any criminal charges against an operator.
"There ought to be some oversight on any type of boarding school, regardless of any type of kid in there," Stettler said, "but that is not how the law reads."
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E-mail: [email protected]
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© 2005 Deseret News Publishing Company
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Just curious ... were parents aware of the Sudweeks "history" before they placed their kids in their care?"
At the time we researched, we didn't find anything about the Sudweeks except the Who Am I Discovery site. And we believed what was told to us by Sue Scheff. We also were pretty naive about the troubled teen business and really didn't know too much what to look for. We made an unannounced trip to Whitmore and were sucked in by Cheryl. It was only towards the end that we started to become suspecious that things weren't as they seemed. Cheryl didn't answer e-mails or phone calls, was never available. And on my visits I started observing things that didn't set too well with me, and started asking questions.
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On 2005-06-14 08:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"At the time we researched, we didn't find anything about the Sudweeks except the Who Am I Discovery site. And we believed what was told to us by Sue Scheff. We also were pretty naive about the troubled teen business and really didn't know too much what to look for. We made an unannounced trip to Whitmore and were sucked in by Cheryl. It was only towards the end that we started to become suspecious that things weren't as they seemed. Cheryl didn't answer e-mails or phone calls, was never available. And on my visits I started observing things that didn't set too well with me, and started asking questions."
Let me ask you a couple things. What did Sue tell you, exactly? How did Cheryl "suck you in"? And did you ever suspect we were on a trip at the time you tried to reach her, or maybe in town? If you tell when you tried to contact her, I could most likely let you know the reasons why your attempts went unanswered. What things did you observe that "didn't set too well" with you? Thank you for taking a moment to answer my questions.
Oh, and just so everyone knows, I'm looking for valid answers from the individual who originally stated things about these subjects. So no, I'm not seeking a pointless blurb from a random anon. Thank you.[ This Message was edited by: mouse on 2005-06-14 08:47 ]
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Hi Again Mouse.
I feel you'll get a reply to your question shortly- but if you don't mind - I have one for you -
Who are you?
I got the impression somewhere that you wewre a student - but I am thinking that was a mistake. You just do not sound like a student - and so I am thinking I misread something.
That being the case - what is your relation to the Whitmore / Susan situation?
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I'm a former student from Whitmore, posting on here because I feel the need to stand up for what I know is true.
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On 2005-06-14 08:46:00, mouse wrote:
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On 2005-06-14 08:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"At the time we researched, we didn't find anything about the Sudweeks except the Who Am I Discovery site. And we believed what was told to us by Sue Scheff. We also were pretty naive about the troubled teen business and really didn't know too much what to look for. We made an unannounced trip to Whitmore and were sucked in by Cheryl. It was only towards the end that we started to become suspecious that things weren't as they seemed. Cheryl didn't answer e-mails or phone calls, was never available. And on my visits I started observing things that didn't set too well with me, and started asking questions."
Let me ask you a couple things. What did Sue tell you, exactly? How did Cheryl "suck you in"? And did you ever suspect we were on a trip at the time you tried to reach her, or maybe in town? If you tell when you tried to contact her, I could most likely let you know the reasons why your attempts went unanswered. What things did you observe that "didn't set too well" with you? Thank you for taking a moment to answer my questions.
Oh, and just so everyone knows, I'm looking for valid answers from the individual who originally stated things about these subjects. So no, I'm not seeking a pointless blurb from a random anon. Thank you.[ This Message was edited by: mouse on 2005-06-14 08:47 ]"
LOL ... you don't really expect anybody to take you on your word, do you? A Whitmore Advocate named "Mouse"? Perhaps if you tell us who you really are .. people might take you more seriously.
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Buzzkill--her name is Caitlyn Loggins
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There's another article in the Salt Lake Tribune:
"Parents frantic after three students go AWOL from boarding school"
Seems this is a hot topic right now!
BUT NO ONE HAS PRINTED:
Why did these parents leave those boys at this school KNOWING the Sudweeks were under investigation for child abuse?
Stupid parents if you ask me!
Why did/does Sue Scheff keep sending kids there when she was damn well aware these people were under investigation for child abuse?
THINK Sue has called this PARENTS and said---HEY LETS GET THOSE KIDS MOVED SOMEWHERE ELSE--Cheryl Sudweeks has been CHARGED!!!
Bet not!
This whole deal sucks....
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I'm a former student from Whitmore, posting on here because I feel the need to stand up for what I know is true.//
OK, but You sure don't write like the rest of the kids. So, as a student - how is it you know so much about what Sue tells the parents, with regard to the programs she refers to?
As in:
mouse
Familiar Face
Joined: 2005-06-12
Posts: 44
From: Richmond, VA
Posted: 2005-06-12 12:52:00
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Sue talks with the parent and finds out what they're looking for. If they're looking for something rough, she gives them a list of somethings that are rough, but with warnings if they've been investigated for child abuse or any other form of misconduct.
She gives parents what they're looking for, along with her two cents. She's doing her job.
Give the lady a break.
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You two talk about this; or are you parrotting what you over heard at Whitmore?
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http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=211898&nid=5 (http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=211898&nid=5)
Co-Owner of Private School Charged With Child Abuse
Jun. 13, 2005
A Utah private school for troubled teens is facing troubles of its own. After a 7 month investigation, its co-owner has been charged with child abuse.
Samantha Hayes reporting
A Utah private school for troubled teens is facing troubles of its own. After a 7 month investigation, its co-owner has been charged with child abuse. The school itself is at odds with the state over licensing as well.
The Whitmore Academy is a private boarding school run by Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks. Police began taking a closer look at their operation last year when one of the students claimed he was physically and verbally abused.
Nephi police had been investigating the Whitmore Academy for six months when we made an unannounced visit in April. Co-owner Cheryl Sudweeks invited Eyewitness News to choir practice.
Cheryl Sudweeks, Co-owner, Whitmore Academy: ?You'd think after six months we'd hear something. We've never heard anything valid, and we do have an attorney who works for us."
Sudweeks is now facing seven misdemeanor counts of chid abuse and hazing. She is accused of "causing physical injury...and permitting others to inflict physical injury on a child?. The alleged incidents happened between April 2003 and November 2004.
Leah Schacherer was enrolled at Whitmore Academy during that time.
Leah Schacherer, former Whitmore Student: ?Cheryl pulled my hair, pushed me over a chair, and spit in my face and called me a bunch of names and it happened to other kids."
At the same time, investigators say the Whitmore violates a new state licensing law, a requirement for schools providing therapy.
Ken Stettler, Director of Licensing: ?I don't know where its going to lead at this point..whether they are going to recognize the fact the new law does encompass what they are doing..or if they are going to claim they are a boarding school or change their practices or what.."
Cheryl Sudweeks, Co-owner, Whitmore Academy: ?We don't have therapy, we have counseling..just like a high school counselor would do."
Sudweeks says the Whitmore Academy is strictly a Boarding School , exempt from state regulators..
Cheryl Sudweeks, Co-owner, Whitmore Academy: ?We have students graduation in May, we're really proud of that."
But in the midst of abuse and licensing allegations, there are other questions from parents and their children, about the value of a 40-thousand dollar a year Whitmore education.
Leah Schacherer, former Whitmore Student: ?Now I'm trying to go to college and its hard because I didn't learn things I should have learned in high school."
We were unable to reach Cheryl or Mark Sudweeks on Monday for comment on the charges. They have told me before that many parents support what they do, and feel their program is successful for many teenagers.
Republican n. A liberty despising, money worshiping, control freak. Democrat n. A liberty despising, social engineering, control freak.
-- Anonymous
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On 2005-06-14 10:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"There's another article in the Salt Lake Tribune:
"Parents frantic after three students go AWOL from boarding school"
Seems this is a hot topic right now!
BUT NO ONE HAS PRINTED:
Why did these parents leave those boys at this school KNOWING the Sudweeks were under investigation for child abuse?
Stupid parents if you ask me!
Why did/does Sue Scheff keep sending kids there when she was damn well aware these people were under investigation for child abuse?
THINK Sue has called this PARENTS and said---HEY LETS GET THOSE KIDS MOVED SOMEWHERE ELSE--Cheryl Sudweeks has been CHARGED!!!
Bet not!
This whole deal sucks...."
Any lawsuits being filed against the Sudweeks and Scheff by parents or teens?
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On 2005-06-14 11:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
Any lawsuits being filed against the Sudweeks and Scheff by parents or teens?"
I hear tell there's one in the works. But ya' never really know less/till it's actually filed.
"The Program" and two years will get you a vastly improved kid in *EXACTLY* the same way that "The Program" and four bucks will get you a cup of espresso at Starbucks.
Timoclea
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Sudweeks faces a June 23 arraignment in 4th District Court, where Eldridge says he plans to ask the judge to issue an order prohibiting her from having any contact with minor children.
FORSHADOWED OR WHAT???.......THIS IS THE MAIN STING....WACK...CAGED...TWEAK FOREVER.......SHE'LL GET LOOSE DURING PROBATION TIME.....MARK MY WORDS.........EARLY COMPOST IN LINE WITH HER "MIND" set.........to be found in a closet, on the "ledge".........judge ROY one more time..........my job to set sting and drop dimes.........soul for sale dear???....AMF
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I've talked to Sue before. Not regularly, but I have talked to her and do know what she does.
And whoever said my name is Caitlyn, it's not; it's Angelina, thank you. I don't know who you are, so I don't know if I knew you or not. Sorry for any confusion.
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// but I have talked to her and do know what she does. //
I've talked to her too. Quite a lot, at times. She has told me many things about how PURE operates - but I don't *know* anything about it.
Neither do you, if you are what you say.
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Most have talked to Sue. What does that prove?
Not DO=DO
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I talked to her about the way it operates, as well. Since she helps run the thing, I trust she knows what she's talking about. Maybe that's naive, but why would she lie about it to some kid, anyway? There'd be no point, so assuming she has at least a fraction of a brain, I trust her word on the operations of PURE.
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On 2005-06-14 18:02:00, mouse wrote:
"I talked to her about the way it operates, as well. Since she helps run the thing, I trust she knows what she's talking about. Maybe that's naive, but why would she lie about it to some kid, anyway? There'd be no point, so assuming she has at least a fraction of a brain, I trust her word on the operations of PURE."
She'd lie because kids talk. And I think you hit the nail on the head ........that fraction of a brain, I think you assume too much.
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As I stated earlier, I've spoken with Sue and I consider her a fairly intelligent woman. An honest one, as well. Maybe I assume too much, and need to do a background check or something. :roll: But I suppose I have a right to my opinion, as you do to yours.
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Does this MOUSE person ever ever ever get tired of hearing her stupid self talking. DAMN!
SHE IS WORSE THAN THAT DUMB MARY GENTILE WOMAN!
Maybe if she's ignored ....she will go away TOO.
Let's try that!
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Mouse (Angelina?)
When were you at the whitmore? umm...i have a couple comments in response to what you said about Sue Scheff. it's obvious why she'd lie to a kid, especially one in a program. you should never just take someone's word at face value like that, especially when they're paid for it. she's definitely a manipulator. you speak in a very cynical and sarcastic way towards people who have a much better understanding of this. sue scheff certainly does have half a brain and she's using all of it to find ways to cover her ass. think about it.
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I have not gone away and while you are calling me dumb i have clarified and proven my educational background, how about you do the same. I just dont want to post about the kids until they are all returned safe because I respect their parents. mary
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Mary,
I could care less about your education.What mother gets her son fired from a job and cuts him off financially?Your son sounds like a great kid.I find it pathetic that you choose the program over your son.How do you justify backing the program when they are being charged with abuse?
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my education was brought up because you called me dumb, so that was my response and i have never talked to anyone my son has ever worked with gotta get those lies straight because that is a out right lie. mary
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Who cares about your education back in the dark ages lady?
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//Mary,
I could care less about your education.What mother gets her son fired from a job and cuts him off financially?Your son sounds like a great kid.I find it pathetic that you choose the program over your son.How do you justify backing the program when they are being charged with abuse?//
Ditto.
What is the matter with you woman?
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WORSE YET, what kind of parents leave their kids in a program when the owner is charged with abuse? And Sheff yells BIG BAD WWASP!!!
Kids are at Whitmore STILL that SHE referred there. EXPLAIN that one!
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On 2005-06-15 09:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"WORSE YET, what kind of parents leave their kids in a program when the owner is charged with abuse? And Sheff yells BIG BAD WWASP!!!
Kids are at Whitmore STILL that SHE referred there. EXPLAIN that one!"
Now that IS ironic!
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IRONIC is hardly the word!
Sounds down-right unethical---and that's putting it mildly!
And: "we're just parents helping parents"
Give me a ____________ break!
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You people are nuts. I can't believe you stand up for these people, (the Sudwecks). The Sudwecks are corrupt and evil people. They are taking advantage of desperate parents, who appear incapable of getting control of their children. Instead of taking responsibility for your children and being a parent, you turn your children over to complete strangers. Shame on you!
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More News Reported on Cherly Sudweeks Abuse Charges By The Sudweeks own town Newspaper the Nephi Times. http://www.nephitimes.com (http://www.nephitimes.com)
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Correction http://www.nephitimesnews.com (http://www.nephitimesnews.com)
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http://www.nephitimesnews.com/0605/061505/1.htm (http://www.nephitimesnews.com/0605/061505/1.htm)
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buzz kill your facts are wrong i ask that you quite lying about me mary gentile
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I am sure they aren't lies, but the truth. Get off your Heroine trip and come back to reality.
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The Whitmore Academy, located on Nephi's Main Street, is facing court charges in Juab County.
Last week, Juab County Attorney Jared Eldridge filed seven misdemeanor counts of child abuse and hazing against co-owner Cheryl Sudweeks, 50.
"Cheryl Sudweeks was the primary actor. Mr. (Mark) Sudweeks has been in the background, coming in afterward, on the fringes and on the peripheral," Eldridge said.
Eldridge said, co-owner Mark Sudweeks has not been charged.
"We are still looking at some other things," said Eldridge.
The charges stem from alleged incidents which occurred during a period from April 2003 through November 2004 and involve four victims.
The evidence, said Eldridge, suggests Cheryl Sudweeks either directly caused harm to the victims or allowed others to commit the abuse.
"We are conducting additional investigations that may result in more charges," said Eldridge.
A June 23 arraignment in 4th District Court has been set for Cheryl Sudweeks.
Eldridge said he plans to ask the judge to issue an order prohibiting her from having any contact with minor children.
Child welfare investigators said they substantiated eight instances of physical abuse, educational neglect, medical neglect and environmental neglect last fall.
The usual census for the school has been approximately 30 students.
Whitmore was cited for several fire-code violations by the state Fire Marshal's Office earlier this year. One of the citations was for failing to have a second exit.
The Sudweekses were given until mid-May to come into compliance and state authorities report the Whitmore owners have made those corrections.
Recently the Sudweekses remodeled another building on Main Street. That building, known locally as the Robinson Furniture building, was made into a school to be used as a classroom. At the time of licensing, city council members would not allow the upstairs to be used by students. At the time, Mark Sudweeks indicated, in the business license application, that he would use that area for offices.
Some of the charges stem from an incident in November when a male teenager ran away after an assault reportedly involving Cheryl Sudweeks. In an earlier incident, several students allegedly assaulted the boy at her urging.
Matt Hilton, the Sudweekses' attorney, has said he doesn't dispute the state Division of Child and Family Services had the necessary information to conduct an investigation. However, he said, the majority of parents continue to support the program.
The latest charges stem from a several months-long investigation by the Nephi Police Department and the Juab County Attorney's Office.
The probe in Juab County came as a result of DCFS involvement.
Last month, the Sudweekses applied for and received a conditional use permit to expand their operations to unincorporated Juab County. Plans for the property, about four miles south of Nephi, include a facility for equine therapy.
Eldridge said he is unaware of how the criminal charges and pending investigation will play out with the Sudweekses' plans for the property south of Nephi, but he does believe it would be good for the operation to come under some oversight.
The state Office of Licensing sent a notice of revocation to the Sudweekses for the operation of their residential treatment center earlier.
Licensing problems date back to 2001, and include state concerns that a youth center was being operated under the guise of a bed and breakfast.
The Sudweekses landed in trouble in 2002 after Canadian authorities discovered a herd of starving horses on their property in British Columbia, where they had operated a youth program.
Although the Sudweekses asserted the animals' welfare was left to a caretaker, a judge eventually found Mark Sudweeks guilty of two charges under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act, imposing a lifetime prohibition of owning or caring for animals. He was fined $4,000 and ordered to pay more than $100,000 in restitution to the animal cruelty organization tasked with caring for the horses.
In 2001, the pair was ordered to pack up their program in Mexico&emdash;along with 14 teen clients&emdash;because of what authorities said was the illegal operation of the business, a violation of their tourist visas.
The order came from the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana involving a program in Santa Rosalia on the Baja California Peninsula.
"Of course all of this concerns me," Eldridge said. "There is a pattern of disregarding procedures."
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again they are lies ask my son, i have never called his emplyer or turned my back on him. mary
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Mary
You are nuts. I can't believe you stand up for these people, (the Sudweeks). The Sudweeks are corrupt and evil people. They are taking advantage of desperate parents, who appear incapable of getting control of their children. Instead of taking responsibility for your children and being a parent, you turn your children over to complete strangers. Shame on you!
Lady you need to wake up and get in the real world and not rely on other people to raise your child. Are you that horrible of a parent, that you can't even raise your child right. What is your problem, why are you such a failure as a parent? Parents, like yourself should stop reproducing. Society can't handle any more of your children. Yourself and your children with all your reckless and irresponsible behavior are the ones who are destroying our communities
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again burd you have no idea what you are talking about, i replied to you on the title ginger. By the way i have never done one reckless thing in my life. Everyone who knows me will tell you i am over cautious. You however should probably in therapy for those anger issues and need to lie issues. mary
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Have you not had children in this program? If so, why did they need to be in this program? It is amazing to me that you stand up for the Sudweeks. I have read up on these people quite a bit and it appears to me that there is definately some serious problems at Whitmore Academy and the law has been broken. You appear to be very naive if you feel that this is wrong.
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Yes miss mary had a son in the whitmore program. had him at ivy ridge too. she just can't seem to quit placing her son in programs....poor thing.
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mary doesn't consider it reckless to place her son in 2 different programs and then post here supporting the sudweeks after cheryl sudweeks has been charged with child abuse?
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MARY GENTILE--
Please listen to everything I say (not just what you want to hear) because it's very important. NO ONE CAN VERIFY ANYTHING WITH YOUR SON WHEN HE'S NOT AT LIBERTY TO ANSWER FREELY!!! (i.e, he's still in Utah) I'm sure you love your son very much and you want to believe that everything coming out of his mouth is the God-honest truth. Unfortunately, at this point it's probably not. If he's still in Utah, under the influence of Cheryl then he is still defending her. I did the same thing so I'm not just trying to point the finger at Chris, ok? I still defended the Whitmore for a while after being home as well. You keep saying to ask Chris about the abuse. Well, he's obviously not admitting anything! Why is his word the final word when there's 15 other GRADUATED students saying the abuse happened. I'm sorry Ms. Gentile but I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES. To read a more complete account read the thread "RANT & RAVE" Trust me, laws were broken and kids were severely mistreated there.
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Mary is just living in denial, incapable of accepting or acknowledging the truth. She has some serious issues and it appears is trying to live a life through children. An example of this is placing her child in two seperate programs.
Mary what part of the country are you in?
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Hi There,
To clear a few things up my mom did not cause any trouble for me work-related. That was only a rumor. She can choose to support whomever she wants, regardless some things are being said that aren't true.
~chris
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I dont have to live through my kids i lived my life to the fullest and chris is not in utah, he is in college. Out for summer. mary
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I dont have to live through my kids i lived my life to the fullest and chris is not in utah, he is in college. Out for summer. mary
Mary if this is true then why are you so wrapped up in this whole thing?
I hope you are not in Utah and hopefully your son is far away from you.
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Why Chris, how come you started that rumor YOURSELF then???? You said your mom called your work and told them you kidnapped three 14 year old boys from some nice boarding school in Utah and got you fired. Shame on you!
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burd because my son was brought into it by an adult and because i was worried sick about those 3 kids. Alot of kids act out as teenagers and grow out of it and lead productive lives but if they are on the run they can get killed and never have the chance to live that life. My problem with joyce is that she didnt give them a ticket home she got them to a concert and what do you think went on there. mary
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burd you are welcome to call or come and meet me any time i live in the midwest. mary
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Chris Gentile: needs to tell his mother the TRUTH....He really really does. She should hear it from him.
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if you know the truth why dont you call me as long as you are not joyce, i would love to hear from you. mary
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Chris was keeping them safe. He knows how to protect run aways. THAT's his specialty. He kept Alex safe too.
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Mary
You are too crazy for me. Was your son a junkie? Were you in denial about that?
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NAH...she just sent him to IVY RIDGE and to Cheryl at Whitmore because he smoked a little pot. DIDN'T you read her previous post?
IMAGINE if he had been a really bad boy!!!!
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chris doesnt have the time or money to be in the run away business.
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Sure he does....He broke Alex out of Whitmore and YOU KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dont' think Chris is a Junkie...Mary posted he just smoked a little pot, so she sent him off to IVY RIDGE and then to Cheryl at Whitmore.
And Cheryl has been charged with child abuse.
And Mary still supports her.
Imagine if this boy had done something really bad??? What would Mary have done to him then???
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i thought i would nip it in the bud before it got serious but ivey ridge was a mistake and he got hurt there very badly. Thank god a sweet boy saw what happened to him told me when he got out and told me and i had him out the same day. He will never be the same from that place and I wanted him to have a environment of love after that to heal emotionaly. Unfortunately because of ivy ridge he gets very emotional if he thinks there is even a chance something is wrong. mary
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Mary
So your so smokes some pot and you ship him off to people who abused him, is that not negligence on your part? Was your son an embarassment to you? Is that why you sent him away? Why would you not handle the situation on your own?
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If that environment of LOVE was so great...why did Chris run away from the Whitmore?????
Wasn't he on the run about a month? Out on the streets...running from all that LOVE at the Whitmore?
Chris talks talks talks.....things weren't all that loving at the Whitmore. Chris has told lots of people what went on at the Whitmore. He has talked to parents and authorities.
He probably tried to talk to this MOTHER, who didn't want to hear it.
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YOU SEND A KID TO A PLACE LIKE IVY RIDGE AND WHITMORE because he smoked pot?
To nip it in the bud?
Get a grip lady!
Isn't your husband a medical doctor?
Give me a fucking break!
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Mary is in denial. She is having a hard time accepting that she was and still is a horrible mother and her decision to send her son to Whitmore was a huge mistake.
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On 2005-06-15 15:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i thought i would nip it in the bud before it got serious but ivey ridge was a mistake and he got hurt there very badly. Thank god a sweet boy saw what happened to him told me when he got out and told me and i had him out the same day. He will never be the same from that place and I wanted him to have a environment of love after that to heal emotionaly. Unfortunately because of ivy ridge he gets very emotional if he thinks there is even a chance something is wrong. mary"
Mary .. with all due respect, I do not believe you are seeing things straight.
How can you be so concerned about your own son being abused at Ivy Ridge but not care one whit for the kids who say they were abused at Whitmore?
What is the matter with you? Cheryl is not GOD, she's a grown woman who has been accused of abusing children in her care.
What happens if she is convicted? Are you going to still be in denial?
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i thought ivey ridge was totally different of course i would have never sent him ther if i had know what it was and i got him out right away. They had excellent marketing tools and i talked to lots of former students. however who knows if those were really even former students.
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Mary you are a crazy, selfish bitch. I hope you burn in hell for all you have done.
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The Suds' marketing strategy is a bit more like Art Barker's.
Check out this vintage human interest piece on The Seed (cir. `74)
http://fornits.com/anonanon/theseed/SentinelStar.doc (http://fornits.com/anonanon/theseed/SentinelStar.doc)
Wow! 1,500 kids in one facility! Looks like he was a little better at it than The Suds. But, of course, that was in this industry's infancy. The field was wiiiide open and primed to bursting after Woodstock, Manson and the h loving returning Vietnam vets.
When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases.
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
return undef() if /coercion/i;
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It is painfully obvious who posts anonymously on this message board. It is quite simple to research the patterns - even easier, see what IP address a message comes from.
It's also quite clear to see who is involved with the 3 runaway boys. While 2 have been found, one is still missing. Any way you look at it, he's a minor and someone will face criminal charges. The surprise? It probably won't be Whitmore Academy. Quite frankly, one could look back on the postings and find a motive. Premeditation?
It's quite difficult to find any individual posting frantically on these message boards "credible".
Especially if that person has a long history of questionable recreational activities - and with pictures as proof. It's amazing what you can find on the internet.
What, are you a bunch of middle-aged women chatting with troubled teenagers? Get a life!
What goes around, comes around.
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I suggest you get your facts straight before you start posting what you THINK you know.
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Who are you speaking to? What facts?
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On 2005-06-15 12:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
" again burd you have no idea what you are talking about, i replied to you on the title ginger. By the way i have never done one reckless thing in my life. Everyone who knows me will tell you i am over cautious. You however should probably in therapy for those anger issues and need to lie issues. mary"
Overcautious? You sent your son to two (2) remarkably abusive programs. Do tell: how is that being "overcautious?"
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Dysfunction, her son also aided a girl Alex in escaping from Whitmore over Memorial Day Weekend, and helped these 3 boys being discussed to escaped...and all this MOTHER can seem to do is threaten Mrs. Harris who if involved AT ALL only paid for air line tickets at mary's SON's urging. SO WHAT IS IS WOMAN'S problem.
She should be proud of his son, and leave this Harris woman the HELL ALONE!
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On 2005-06-16 11:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dysfunction, her son also aided a girl Alex in escaping from Whitmore over Memorial Day Weekend, and helped these 3 boys being discussed to escaped...and all this MOTHER can seem to do is threaten Mrs. Harris who if involved AT ALL only paid for air line tickets at mary's SON's urging. SO WHAT IS IS WOMAN'S problem.
She should be proud of his son, and leave this Harris woman the HELL ALONE!"
1. Good for Chris if he helped some kids get away form their awful treatment at the Whitmore.
2. If these children were aided by an unrelated adult, I would have to say that particular adult, however well-intended, made a serious error in judgement.
It's bad ju-ju to get involved with other people's children. Contact the authoriteis, by all means. Plead your (the kid's) case to the KID'S PARENT(S). Yes.
Provide material assistance to other people's children to run away and perhaps be in harm's way (it's a viscious world out there, folks)? Not good.
Is it a criminal or morally wrong? No, I don't think so. Bad judgement? Yes, definitely.
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Read the other posts Dysfuntion: Child Protective Services was notified. Waiting for these kids to call their parents FIRST. If parents did not believe them about the abuse, the run away kids were to turn themselves into protective custody.
Kid did what kids do---never called ANYBODY. Well-meaning adult was used for free plane tickets.
Good intentions, bad judgement...nothing illegal.
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Alrighty then, to the anonymous poster about 5 posts up talking about "pathetic anonymous posters". Whoever helped these boys cannot be charged with anything, "premeditation" as you so intelligently put it, is not a motive! You can premeditate your motive, that's how it works. Premeditation of what? Yeah, that would really CONDEMN whoever in court. Also, about all these anonymous posters that you made such a condescending reference to...YOU ARE ONE OF THEM!! Where's your name? Sorry, not everyone one has time to track IP numbers all day just to figure out who they're talking to. Good Lord. - Anneliese
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Good point Anna. The person quoting tracking the IP addresses, continued in that same posting to make a THREAT. Ironic, huh?
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Anneliese you have been honest in your postings. What does happen to runaways at Whitmore when they are brought back? MOUSE says they are talked to about it and realize their mistakes and usually just don't do that again.
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On 2005-06-16 12:09:00, Tha Truth wrote:
Sorry, not everyone one has time to track IP numbers all day just to figure out who they're talking to. Good Lord. - Anneliese
Not only that but, unless you've hacked my server (which would be an international crime... I get to pick venue) nobody but me and my hosting service has access to anybody else's ip address through this server.
When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in a society, they create for themselves in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.
--Fredric Bastiat
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Thank you for posting that Antigen. Most readers probably believed that. Know I did, since I don't know much about computers. I was taken back by it, thinking that posting anonymously was really very unsafe, if just anyone could know who I was and where I was posting from.
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On 2005-06-15 19:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is painfully obvious who posts anonymously on this message board. It is quite simple to research the patterns - even easier, see what IP address a message comes from.
It's also quite clear to see who is involved with the 3 runaway boys. While 2 have been found, one is still missing. Any way you look at it, he's a minor and someone will face criminal charges. The surprise? It probably won't be Whitmore Academy. Quite frankly, one could look back on the postings and find a motive. Premeditation?
It's quite difficult to find any individual posting frantically on these message boards "credible".
Especially if that person has a long history of questionable recreational activities - and with pictures as proof. It's amazing what you can find on the internet.
What, are you a bunch of middle-aged women chatting with troubled teenagers? Get a life!
What goes around, comes around.
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:lol:
I was waiting for someone to say something along those lines. Thank you, whoever you are.
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On 2005-06-16 13:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thank you for posting that Antigen. Most readers probably believed that. Know I did, since I don't know much about computers. I was taken back by it, thinking that posting anonymously was really very unsafe, if just anyone could know who I was and where I was posting from."
The whole internet is "unsafe". Just about anything having to do with it. If you're paranoid about people finding out who you are and where you are, don't use it.
Maybe this is news to you or something?
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Not paranoid. Just thought anonymous meant anonymous.
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//What, are you a bunch of middle-aged women chatting with troubled teenagers? Get a life! //
And so, is one to take this to mean, chatting with teens isn't a worth while thing to do with ones time?
Seems to be what your suggesting.
If so, I would have to strongly disagree.
I Like talking to the kids - and some of the parents. And, I do have a life. It just happens to include chatting with people - on line and off.
Whats the matter with your life, that you are looking to find fault with mine?
Huummm,Miss mousy? Whats up with that?
BTW - what are you, a troubled teen, doing "talking" with a bunch of middle aged folk who have no life?
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On 2005-06-16 18:47:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"//What, are you a bunch of middle-aged women chatting with troubled teenagers? Get a life! //
And so, is one to take this to mean, chatting with teens isn't a worth while thing to do with ones time?
Seems to be what your suggesting.
If so, I would have to strongly disagree.
I Like talking to the kids - and some of the parents. And, I do have a life. It just happens to include chatting with people - on line and off.
Whats the matter with your life, that you are looking to find fault with mine?
Huummm,Miss mousy? Whats up with that?
BTW - what are you, a troubled teen, doing "talking" with a bunch of middle aged folk who have no life?"
Is THE MOUSE a teen? Sheesh, sounds more to me like an adult posing as a teen.
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Mouse is Caitlyn Loggins a Whitmore student, but you can probably be sure Cheryl Sudweeks is right by her side!!!! That's just how it works!
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Read the posting by MOUSE. What TEEN knows all the inside workings of PURE, or would even care to know? That's no teen talking. And anyway, why all the PURE agenda anyway? Sure makes you wonder who's really running that show at Whitmore, doesn't it? Lots of SUE SUE SUE....and everybody knows the double, triple meanings of the word SUE.
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it's a teen.
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I'm talking with "a bunch of middle-aged folk who have no life" because I feel like it. I'm a kid. I can do things I feel like doing. And when I'm an adult, you can bet I won't be sitting around on a forum, because there will be way more important things for me to do. I'm bored, got it? Drama is exciting and there is a ton right here.
Cheryl doesn't even go to this site. And I don't know why you think I'm that kid, because I'm not... I knew her for a while, and I might've known you too if you tell me who you are. But my name is Angelina, as I've previously stated.
Yes, I'm a teen. Seventeen, actually, and maybe I sound older because the majority of my postings are conversation and proving points intelligently, and not just throwing insults (although I admit I do that in a few). I believe this place is for conversation and debate, not an elementary playground fight.
Also, one last thing. I care to know briefly about the workings of PURE because they're the ones who referred my mom to the Whitmore, and I like to know how that worked. I learn about things going on around me because not to seek that knowledge would be, in my opinion, naive and ignorant.[ This Message was edited by: mouse on 2005-06-17 14:03 ]
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What did Sue Scheff tell you about Whitmore before you came there?
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On 2005-06-16 12:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Anneliese you have been honest in your postings. What does happen to runaways at Whitmore when they are brought back? MOUSE says they are talked to about it and realize their mistakes and usually just don't do that again."
I can tell you right now that that is absolutely untrue. Kids were screamed at, hit, and humiliated in horrible ways. They were also made to do hard labor in extreme weather. One girl had to shovel snow from the sidewalks in a tank-top, shorts, and no shoes. Others did digging, hauling, lifting etc in 90 + degree weather. I remember one time three of the boys got ahold of a cell phone and called one their friends in Texas to try and arrange to be picked up. Mark and Cheryl found out somehow so we had a big group during which two boys were slapped, and one was choked and thrown. No one can post saying this didn't happen, I was responsible for it so I KNOW. The group took place at night so the next morning they were given "the clothes". The clothes were basically the tackiest clothes you could find at the Goodwill. The outfits that were chosen were a leopard-print tank top and silk pants, pink turtle-neck and sweats (keep in mind this is late spring), and something with kittens or flowers on it I think. They weren't allowed to wear shoes and for the next couple weeks they were toted around by two of the staff doing odd-jobs and maitenance outside. They weren't allowed to change and they only got to shower a couple times during the two-week or so period. Their heads were also buzzed during the group. Cheryl said that one of the boy's long hair was keeping him stuck in the "stoner mentality" so she had all their heads buzzed. OK, so all that for an ATTEMPTED runaway. I could tell you quite a few other stories about people who actually ran away, but for the sake of making my point I've decided to show you all the crap that was done even when running away was still just a thought in their minds. Mouse, I don't know what kind of cock-and-bull you're trying to feed these people, but that's really pathetic. That's all I have to say, it's pathetic.
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"Tha truth will find you out"
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One boy who had to wear "the clothes" was at the mall with the group, and Cheryl would yell at complete strangers to "look at him! Ask him why he's dressed that way!" Humiliated this boy to no end. He had run away, and after being beat up really bad, this was additional punishment.
Nope, he didn't just get talked to, and be made to promise to mend his ways. He was beat badly!
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I was visiting at Whitmore in the early summer of 2004, and I observed two boys with girls -- what looked like pink girl's pajamas over their own clothes. I saw them first at the mansion, then at the boy's house. They were being made to work
outside in extremely hot weather, in the 100's. I saw them on, at least, two different days. Leah wanted me to get them a slurpy at 7-11, which I did. I asked Leah about it at the time and she sor of sluffed it off. About a month later, after her departure from the Whitmore, I asked her about it again. It was at that time she told me the boys had tried to run away.
It was really a hard image for me to get out of my head. The humulitaion of teenagers is something that I find very cruel and hurtful. It is a form of bullying.
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On 2005-06-17 14:21:00, Tha Truth wrote:
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On 2005-06-16 12:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Anneliese you have been honest in your postings. What does happen to runaways at Whitmore when they are brought back? MOUSE says they are talked to about it and realize their mistakes and usually just don't do that again."
I can tell you right now that that is absolutely untrue. Kids were screamed at, hit, and humiliated in horrible ways. They were also made to do hard labor in extreme weather. One girl had to shovel the sidewalks in a tank-top, shorts, and no shoes. Others did digging, hauling, lifting etc in 90 + degree weather. I remember one time three of the boys got ahold of a cell phone and called one their friends in Texas to try and arrange to be picked up. Mark and Cheryl found out somehow so we had a big group during which two boys were slapped and one was choked and thrown. No one can post saying this didn't happen, I was responsible for it so I KNOW. The group took place at night so the next morning they were given "the clothes". The clothes were basically the tackiest clothes you could find at the Goodwill. The outfits that were leopard-print tank top and silk pants, pink turtle-neck and sweats (keep in mind this is late spring), and something with kittens or flowers on it I think. They weren't allowed to wear shoes and for the next couple weeks they toted around by two of the staff doing odd-jobs and maitenance outside. They weren't allowed to change and they only got to shower a couple times the whole time. Their heads were also buzzed during the group. Cheryl said that one of the boy's long hair was keeping him stuck in the "stoner mentality" so she had all their heads buzzed. OK, so all that for an ATTEMPTED runaway. I could tell you quite a few other stories about people who actually ran away, but for the sake of making I decided to show you all the crap that was done even when running away was still just a thought in your mind. Mouse I don't know what kind of cock-and-bull you're trying to feed these people, but that's really pathetic. That's all I have to say, it's pathetic.
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And parents pay HOW MUCH to treat their kids like crap? Sheesh .. they could just keep em at home and do the same thing for a whole lot less money.
Stupid is as stupid does. I feel sorry for these kids whose parents are stuck on stupid.
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please sign this bill
bill to end institutionalized child abuse
http://www.petitiononline.com/hr1738/petition.html (http://www.petitiononline.com/hr1738/petition.html)
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Slapped...choked...thrown...hair buzzed: all in a Group session with Mark and Cheryl present.
ALL this just because they may have been THINKING ABOUT RUNNING AWAY????
And no one wants to think about what MAY HAVE HAPPENED to these 3 boys who actually did RUN?
What about the KIDS who filed these charges, and have described the abuses they DID suffer for running? These victims, who have witnesess who collaborate the abuse? Some of the witnesses even admit that they participated in the abuse because Cheryl INSTRUCTED and FORCED them to abuse the run-away victims!!!!!
THEN people like Mary Gentile post on here, and accuse these children of lying, and accuse the parents of these children of being evil liars...and hold the Sudweeks up as loving, caring friends of hers.
Something is terribly WRONG when the victims of child abuse are attacked like this by a woman, who then spends hours on a forum proclaiming her love for GOD and and depicting her own Christainity, and writing pages of her own self-serving descriptions of her motherhood: leaving dinner parties to tuck in her children, never going out of town unless she takes her children, etc etc....
YET she places her own son in NOT ONE, but TWO treatment facilities that have been PROVEN to be abusive. THEN DARES to criticize parents and call them liars when they remove their chilren and file charges against the owners/abusers.
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you are lying not once have i ever called any child a liar or referred to a parent as evil. there are no post from me and that is slander so remember everything that is posted is watched by an attorney and he has copies of every post and i have never said anything like that. You better review old post and check your facts my statement has always been the same that i can only speak fpr my child. mary
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OH, the big bad attorney thing.
Guess you HAVE been chatting with Sue.
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Well, you just have a nice day Mary. It is Father's Day you know. Do something nice today for Chris's dad...assume that's where all the money comes from that you use to contol this boy with.
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no i think i mentioned my family are all attorneys and why should someone be able to print lies go back over every entry posted by me and this is slander.
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then you assume wrong.
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Yep, you did. We all have THOSE in our families. Gotta keep those law schools in business, and kids have to major in SOMETHING, right?
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Mary. Can you comment on the abused victims, and the witnesses; especially the witnesses who also were forced to participate in the abuse themeselves?
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no i try to be a responsible person and dont comment on what i dont see. Because i dont want to lie about things i have no idea about i get lied about as in the earlier post. I wish all those kids well in fact when iwas there i was shocked at how polite and nice all of the kids were. We were in the pit by the fire and some of them showed such compassion and kindness. It touched me and then someone goes and prints that i called there parents evil on this site. Never i think all of the parents love their child as i do mine. Can you tell me why it is right that people type lies about someone they dont know and fabricate post that dont exist.
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I need to step in here and add my two cents to the conversation. I think a lot of people are getting hostile towards my mother for no reason. I also think that a lot of people are falsely quoting me here. My mother and I fight all the time, yes, thats true, but she is always there to help me. Right now, for instance, I just moved into a new apartment and as a courtesy she purchased me new furniture. Sure, money isnt everything... but please dont accuse her of not supporting me.
She feels that the Sudweeks are God's gift to children. She has that right to feel that way. No one has the right to tell her what not to believe in. I can tell you now that no matter what you say she will continue to fully support the Sudweeks. No facts or opinions will persuade her to feel otherwise. The reason I am posting this is because I see posts such as this one....
On 2005-06-15 16:22:00, 007burd wrote:
"Mary you are a crazy, selfish bitch. I hope you burn in hell for all you have done."
OO7BURD, whoever you are, you are out of line and you are no friend of mine. You are making personal attacks to someone YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. Your only communication with my mother has been on an internet forum. You need to stop, you only make yourself sound like an ignorant asshole.
Well, thats all I have to say. Hopefully this post will not be the cause more name-calling. Either way, I most likely will not contribute to this forum any further.
~chris
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well my attorney who is monitoring this site said that i mispspoke it is not slander it is libel because it reaches a larger audience. It is a tort and while it is sometimes said that the person making the libelous statement must have been intentional and malicious, actually it need only be obvious that the statement would do harm or is untrue and since he has all of my post it is very easy to prove untrue. I am asking for a retraction as instructed by my attorney and if you choose not to correct the lie then we have that in print too. Thanks to my dear one for protecting me and monitoring this site so closely. I understand libel is much easier to prove so i hope everyone learns from this. mary
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chris no foul language it is beneath you, never stoop to that level.
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Chris, you are correct. No one has the right to call your mother a bitch, or to doom her to hell in their words for voicing her opinion.
Since your mother has repeatedly talked about all the attorneys in your family: it is obvious that you were abused badly at Ivy Ridge. Did your mother use these attorneys, and the medical evidence she talks about to file charges about Ivy Ridge? Did she do anything to try and close this facility? From her postings, it is a wonder that she even believed this student who let her know you were being abused at Ivy Ridge. It seems like once she makes a decision, like placing you at Ivy Ridge; that she becomes a believer in what she had done, and is not open to any opinions to the contrary. Thank goodness she believed this student and got you out of there. And thank goodness the Sudweeks did not target you for abuse at Whitmore.
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actually chris i would always consider proven facts as you know had i not gotten married i would have been a lawyer myself. The problem is i cant believe people who will lie abiut me. Not to lump everyone into that category there have many many people on here that ifind credable, i just dont know who they are. As for ivy ridge they werent going to release him when i called but they got a call from the press and were told they would be there with the fbi in 30 minutes if he was not released. Needless to say they threw him out the front door with a trash bag and ive never heard from them again.
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I wanted chris to move on and forget about ivy ridge he wasnt there long at all and i had kids saying it was the best thing that ever happened to them so no i didnt go after them. The reason i am involved in this is because my son was threatened by an adult who had no right to be talking to him. I have a message on my voicemail before he turned 18 so she can say whatever she wants and then when i wanted to resolve the situation and try to get all of the kids home safe she refused my call. I can only suumize that she feels she is god and knows best. So when you threaten my son i act although i will say never in my wildest dreams did i think my peoole would of dug up what they did. It will come out and its kinda sad really because had she not threatened my son it could have all remained skeletons.
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Mary, first of all, I don't think you can speak to what someone else feels.
Second, to dig up or try to find something, in retaliation, seems like a form of blackmail to me.
Or threat. Do two wrongs make a right? I'm sure, in all your Christian learning, you would most certainly been taught that. Does it not put you on the same level as those whose behavior you are condeming? And if information comes to you via someone else, why would you stoop so low as to give it any credence at all? You just posted a message to your son not to use foul language, not to stoop to that level. Are you just preaching and not practicing what you preach? Such double-standards don't make you very credible
From the way you post, you seem very self-righteous, skirting around anything you don't want to answer or consider. You really don't seem to want to validate the experiences of the kids abused at Whitmore. You know that saying "Don't confuse me with the facts, I've already made up my mind," well, that seems to describe your attitude perfectly.
By the way, ask all those attorneys in your family
about what it takes to prove slander. I think, you only have half of the information you need concerning the law in this area. For some reason, that doesn't surprise me.
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Mary, you probably need to stop issuing threats on an open forum. And people do record calls, and do keep telphone records, and records of other mediums too, you know. You have posted before about "skeltons," and threats, and all this TELEPHONING that you keep talking about is always generated from your end and your son's end.
Perhaps I, Joyce Harris did not want to talk to you on the telephone, and considered a MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT CALL to be inappropriate, threatening, and was honoring your son's request not to speak to you.
Chris Gentile called me, Joyce Harris at Cheryl Sudweeks request in January 2005. Chris was purposely told I had to dial him back, in order to activate my recorder. So telephone records will reflect a call from Chris Gentile- and a return call from Joyce Harris.
So do whatever you wish Mrs. Gentile, from your little "digging" expedition; but you may want to be sure that it is not information from any computer hacking that was investigated by the FBI Forensic Unit in the San Antonio Office--perhaps one of your many many attorneys can chat with you about that.
No threats have every been made by me towards Chris Gentile, of any kind. Until he called me when he was helping Alex Nichols to run away--I had not spoken to him since January 2005.
I did not speak to him again, until he called me on June 7, 2005 about the three Whitmore boys who he reported were being abused and were in hiding at Anna's. I do not know who your are referring to when you say "MY PEOPLE" dug up information,but you may be playing a dangerous, and illegal game Mrs. Gentile.
Joyce Harris
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Mrs. Gentile
I do not bother my attorney on Sundays.
But he will be reading your post tomorrow morning.
I consider your posting to be a form of blackmail. But, I don't know about legal things.
But you accused me of "threatning" your son.
I don't know what you mean by that--
Chris Gentile is 18 years old. He should be able to confront me himself, if he feels I have done any such thing to him. I feel that I most certainly have not.
Your also stated that your intend to expose some "sad skeltons" that "YOUR PEOPLE have dug up on me." That in itself is a threat to me, my well-being and could seemingly cause damage to my family, my reputation and to my minor daughter.
I do believe you have gone way to far.
YOU though called my home last weekend at 11:18 PM and spoke to my husband. This call was made at an inappropriate time, I had no reason to speak to you, and Chris had asked me to NOT speak to you if you called my home--and I honored is request.
Joyce Harris
And I do not know of anything that I have ever done to you on any level.
The only contact I have ever had with you was to return a disconnected phone call to your house, to your son who I do believe at the time was 18 years old, and probably had the right to talk on the telephone. He had posted on fornits that he had turned 18 while still at the Whitmore in December 2004.
Joyce Harris
Joyc
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On 2005-06-19 08:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"well my attorney who is monitoring this site said that i mispspoke it is not slander it is libel because it reaches a larger audience. It is a tort and while it is sometimes said that the person making the libelous statement must have been intentional and malicious, actually it need only be obvious that the statement would do harm or is untrue and since he has all of my post it is very easy to prove untrue. I am asking for a retraction as instructed by my attorney and if you choose not to correct the lie then we have that in print too. Thanks to my dear one for protecting me and monitoring this site so closely. I understand libel is much easier to prove so i hope everyone learns from this. mary"
Damn, lady. Shut the fuck up already. You sound like a complete fucking MORON.
You're not going to sue anybody over anything, so shut your blowhole.
No wonder your son got so fucked up. If I was forced to interact with you, I'd probably be mainlining smack to take the edge off.
You are ONE TEDIOUS FUCKING DRIBBLER.
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check with your attorney joyce the truth is never illegal. By the way no my son was not 18 in dec. Sorry you feel 11 was to late to call but some of us weren't sleeping with children missing and in danger. Perhaps had you taken the call you could have done something to help the situation after all isnt the safety of children first and foremost.
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joyce by the way chris wasnt even at whitmore in january and stop telling lies about the fbi and hacking because i dont even know how to hack but you wouldnt possibly have been doing anything on a computer that would break privacy laws would you??? just curious?
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Co-Owner of Private School Charged With Child Abuse
Jun. 13, 2005
A Utah private school for troubled teens is facing troubles of its own. After a 7 month investigation, its co-owner has been charged with child abuse.
Read Article Here:
http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=211898 (http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=211898)
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That is NOT what Joyce Harris SAID:
She said Chris posted on fornits and said on the fornits posting that he turned 18.
Chris WAS POSTING ON FORNITS from the Whitmore before he left there....
SHE plainly said he called her in January AFTER he left the Whitmore and that he called from your house and that she returned the call.
Bye the way Mary....you said you would always sign all your postings.
HOW COME YOU DIDN't sign that last posting where you were talking about all this stuff you and MY PEOPLE have dug up on Joyce Harris.
Want to go back and SIGN THAT ONE?
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NO one said you hacked any computer MARY!!!!!!
But information stolen from my computer and given to you is stolen property.
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Mary Gentile,
I did not tell lies about the FBI and my computer. And you dare say you don't call people liars?
Joyce
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reread your post you referenced me to a hacking investigation.
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Mary, my computer was also hacked around the same time Joyce's was. There have been reports made of all such activity, as well as the many threats that have come from the Whitmore. Any information you have from someone's private computer, regardless of how you came into possession of it, if you choose to make that information public, without the consent of the owner, you are opening yourself up for all kinds of trouble.
My question to you is: What would be the purpose of doing such a thing, especially from a God-fearing person such as yourself? Is that what you learn in church how to live your life? You seem to me to use your belief in God only when it suits your purpose or when you don't want to deal with the real issue.
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I have no knowledge of any hacking and dont agree with that. I have also never received any hacked information from anyone. As for the other part of your question i agree with part of it, normally any situation should be dealt with in prayer and as you see i did not involve myself with ivy ridge however i believe that lines have been crossed here with no accountability and because of that i fear a never ending amount of situations like this one where an adult thinks that it is ok to decide for other peoples kids. I dont want anything to happen to these kids, joyce said herself she didnt want to talk to me because of chris, well I feel if the adults would have talked maybe all three kids would be home safe. I do look at peoples moral character when deciding things and although i am no judge, god is, you have to at some point say its not my place to override parents. To me it has become a moral issue and when i felt a threatening type statement issued towards me and my son then i felt prudent to check on who i was dealing with but you dont have to find out about people through illegal means investigators and lawyers can find anything so i dont know why people stoop to illegal measures and i am not part of that and had no knowledge of that until you mentioned it on this forum. information should always be obtained legally and kids should be left out even ones that are barely 18 they are not making mature decisions and I would never in a million years want to see any of them hurt and not joyces daughter either. In fact she is younger than the other kids and i hope she knows nothing of any of this. What i would like to see happen is no one ever get involved with making decisions for other peoples kids and if they think there is a problem call the adults. I have ask for advice from spiritual leaders and they have instructed me to leave it in Gods hands but its hard to do that 100 percent when you feel attacked and lied about. I wish i was placing complete faith in our lord but i am human.
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On 2005-06-19 13:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I have no knowledge of any hacking and dont agree with that. I have also never received any hacked information from anyone. As for the other part of your question i agree with part of it, normally any situation should be dealt with in prayer and as you see i did not involve myself with ivy ridge however i believe that lines have been crossed here with no accountability and because of that i fear a never ending amount of situations like this one where an adult thinks that it is ok to decide for other peoples kids. I dont want anything to happen to these kids, joyce said herself she didnt want to talk to me because of chris, well I feel if the adults would have talked maybe all three kids would be home safe. I do look at peoples moral character when deciding things and although i am no judge, god is, you have to at some point say its not my place to override parents. To me it has become a moral issue and when i felt a threatening type statement issued towards me and my son then i felt prudent to check on who i was dealing with but you dont have to find out about people through illegal means investigators and lawyers can find anything so i dont know why people stoop to illegal measures and i am not part of that and had no knowledge of that until you mentioned it on this forum. information should always be obtained legally and kids should be left out even ones that are barely 18 they are not making mature decisions and I would never in a million years want to see any of them hurt and not joyces daughter either. In fact she is younger than the other kids and i hope she knows nothing of any of this. What i would like to see happen is no one ever get involved with making decisions for other peoples kids and if they think there is a problem call the adults. I have ask for advice from spiritual leaders and they have instructed me to leave it in Gods hands but its hard to do that 100 percent when you feel attacked and lied about. I wish i was placing complete faith in our lord but i am human. "
Did it ever occur to you that maybe God is on the side of the children, not their alleged abusers, these "adults", as you call them, who reportedly spit in children's faces?
I guess not since you appear to have an excuse for everything.
Well guess what Mary?
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR ABUSE.
None. Nada. Zippo.
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Mrs. Gentile:
Having a problem understanding what anything of a personal nature that involves Mrs. Harris has to do with you, Whitmore and these boys that ran away.
You appear to be very angry with Mrs. Harris, know something about her that you JUDGE to be immoral, not NICE, or something, and have definetly threaten right her to expose it.
DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTIVES, or reasoning.
You son most certainly speaks up for you, most certainly knows how to contact Mrs. Harris. You have stated over and over how many attorneys you have at your demand.
You should do the RIGHT thing, and let the attorneys handle any legal issues you have with this woman.
What you are threatened to do, will, probably come right back in your face, and will probably be something you will regret--if you are really a Christian. I can't imagine in spirtual leader advising you to do this.
IF you have one giving this advice, then you need any and everyone on this forum who believe in the real God to be praying for you right now--because you are worshipping a "GOD" that is very very scary.
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Wow: Using words like GOD, prudent, morals, spiritual leaders and taking it upon herself to do somthing for the welfare of this Mrs. Harris's daughter. This is a frightening soul, who if even given the benefit of the doubt, gives a whole new meaning to the moral majority. Wow is all I can say.
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YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE'S MORAL CHARACTER?
YOU POSTED BEFORE that you do not judge people, that you leave it in GOD's hands.
WHICH is it?????????
The Sudweeks have been accused of CHILD MOLESTATION. HOW DO YOU JUDGE THAT?
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Perhaps this would be a good time to remind people what the law is in Utah:
UTAH ABUSE AND NEGLECT REPORTING LAW
U.C.A. Section 62A-4-503,62A-3-302
1. Any person, including, but not limited to, any social worker, physician, psychologist, nurse, teacher, or employee, who has a reason to believe that any person has been subject to abuse, neglect, or exploitation, shall immediately notify
the nearest peace officer, law enforcement agency, or protective services agency.
2. Anyone who, in good faith, makes such a report shall be immune from civil liability in connection with the report.
3. When the initial report is made to the peace officer or law enforcement agency, such officer or agency shall immediately notify the nearest protective services agency and the agency shall initiate protective service procedures as
provided in this chapter. When the initial report is made to the protective services agency, and it appears that the abuse, neglect, or exploitation has caused serious injury or a serious imposition on the rights of the person, the agency shall immediately notify the local law enforcement agency, which shall initiate an investigation, and in cooperation with the protective services agency, initiate appropriate protective service procedures.
4. Any person required to report a suspected case of abuse, neglect, or exploitation, who willfully fails to do so, is guilty of a class B misdemeanor.
5. Any person who abuses, neglects, or exploits, is guilty of a third degree felony.
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On 2005-06-19 13:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I have no knowledge of any hacking and dont agree with that. I have also never received any hacked information from anyone. As for the other part of your question i agree with part of it, normally any situation should be dealt with in prayer and as you see i did not involve myself with ivy ridge however i believe that lines have been crossed here with no accountability and because of that i fear a never ending amount of situations like this one where an adult thinks that it is ok to decide for other peoples kids. I dont want anything to happen to these kids, joyce said herself she didnt want to talk to me because of chris, well I feel if the adults would have talked maybe all three kids would be home safe. I do look at peoples moral character when deciding things and although i am no judge, god is, you have to at some point say its not my place to override parents. To me it has become a moral issue and when i felt a threatening type statement issued towards me and my son then i felt prudent to check on who i was dealing with but you dont have to find out about people through illegal means investigators and lawyers can find anything so i dont know why people stoop to illegal measures and i am not part of that and had no knowledge of that until you mentioned it on this forum. information should always be obtained legally and kids should be left out even ones that are barely 18 they are not making mature decisions and I would never in a million years want to see any of them hurt and not joyces daughter either. In fact she is younger than the other kids and i hope she knows nothing of any of this. What i would like to see happen is no one ever get involved with making decisions for other peoples kids and if they think there is a problem call the adults. I have ask for advice from spiritual leaders and they have instructed me to leave it in Gods hands but its hard to do that 100 percent when you feel attacked and lied about. I wish i was placing complete faith in our lord but i am human. "
As I stated before, you have a brain, and while you are on this earth we are all held to the law of man. Joyce Harris broke no law. She simply gave kids money they were asking for to get them to a safe place. There is not law against giving kids money. End of story.
I don't know what you think you know about Joyce Harris, and I really don't care. That has nothing to do with the fact that Cheryl Sudweeks has been accused of child abuse.
It seems to me that Cheryl overstepped her bounds with OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN, when she decided to deprive them of their education, proper food and humilitated and abused them. If you really are concerned about kids, have your investigators look into the abusive programs, most of which are in Utah. Do something useful for all of these kids that get abused under the guise of helping them, scamming thousands of dollars from unsuspecting and desparate parents.
It seems to me your time would be better served trying to get some sort of justice for these parents and kids, rather than going after a parent of one of the abused.
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since when are concerts with drugs a safe place?
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FYI ... there are kids in teen help programs who have access to both OTC and prescribed drugs and are even exposed to other kids who have been in contact with the juvenile justice system because of drug addiction/abuse.
:roll:
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On 2005-06-19 15:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"since when are concerts with drugs a safe place?"
If you think that kids are not exposed to drugs while they are at Whitmore, you are crazy. Most of the kids there have alcohol and drug problems.
Do you think just because they were there they were away from drugs? They had no supervision, sometimes being left, for instance, at the mall in Provo, all day. I know of kids who snuck out at night. Cheryl drugs were not kept in a locked cabinet.
You know what, there are lots of kids exposed to drugs that never use them. Just because there are drugs at a concert doesn't mean everyone there is doing drugs.
Pot has been at concerts since the '60's. Kids have to make choices. You just hope they make the right one. To think that most kids don't do some experimenting is not being realistic. It's up to parents to educate their children, and then hope for the best. Can't keep them in a bubble.
Besides, the choice to go to a concert was that of the boys from Whitmore. They are the ones who are responsible for their actions. They were trusted to do what they said they would do. They chose to do something else.
16, 17 and 18 year old boys
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On 2005-06-19 14:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-19 13:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I have no knowledge of any hacking and dont agree with that. I have also never received any hacked information from anyone. As for the other part of your question i agree with part of it, normally any situation should be dealt with in prayer and as you see i did not involve myself with ivy ridge however i believe that lines have been crossed here with no accountability and because of that i fear a never ending amount of situations like this one where an adult thinks that it is ok to decide for other peoples kids. I dont want anything to happen to these kids, joyce said herself she didnt want to talk to me because of chris, well I feel if the adults would have talked maybe all three kids would be home safe. I do look at peoples moral character when deciding things and although i am no judge, god is, you have to at some point say its not my place to override parents. To me it has become a moral issue and when i felt a threatening type statement issued towards me and my son then i felt prudent to check on who i was dealing with but you dont have to find out about people through illegal means investigators and lawyers can find anything so i dont know why people stoop to illegal measures and i am not part of that and had no knowledge of that until you mentioned it on this forum. information should always be obtained legally and kids should be left out even ones that are barely 18 they are not making mature decisions and I would never in a million years want to see any of them hurt and not joyces daughter either. In fact she is younger than the other kids and i hope she knows nothing of any of this. What i would like to see happen is no one ever get involved with making decisions for other peoples kids and if they think there is a problem call the adults. I have ask for advice from spiritual leaders and they have instructed me to leave it in Gods hands but its hard to do that 100 percent when you feel attacked and lied about. I wish i was placing complete faith in our lord but i am human. "
As I stated before, you have a brain, and while you are on this earth we are all held to the law of man. Joyce Harris broke no law. She simply gave kids money they were asking for to get them to a safe place. There is not law against giving kids money. End of story.
I don't know what you think you know about Joyce Harris, and I really don't care. That has nothing to do with the fact that Cheryl Sudweeks has been accused of child abuse.
It seems to me that Cheryl overstepped her bounds with OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN, when she decided to deprive them of their education, proper food and humilitated and abused them. If you really are concerned about kids, have your investigators look into the abusive programs, most of which are in Utah. Do something useful for all of these kids that get abused under the guise of helping them, scamming thousands of dollars from unsuspecting and desparate parents.
It seems to me your time would be better served trying to get some sort of justice for these parents and kids, rather than going after a parent of one of the abused."
Again, you have not addressed the issues brought up in my post. Again, you are trying to hide from the issues presented to you.
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On 2005-06-19 15:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"since when are concerts with drugs a safe place?"
Since the troubled parent industry began brainwashing kids for fun and profit, concerts have been a safe place by comparison.
Funny story. First time I ran from Straight, I landed up at the Jesus `81 Festival. A staff member's brother, who evidently didn't feel any strong fidelity to the Program, had picked me up hitchhiking in the wee hours, and that's where they were headed, so that's where I went.
Perfect! There were over 10k pentacostals, holly rollers and traveling show people, all squatting or camping or milling around Orlando Fairgrounds. No way they were going to find me there! I even called home and told my mom where I was. What could she do?
This staffer's brother and about 3 of his friends all knew I was a runaway from Straight. They hid me out, fed me, gave me advice, introduced me to people they thought might be able to help me out and, finally, after the weekend, brought me to a friend who was a former Jesuit priest. This former priest put me up for the night in his spare room and insisted that I call my mom and try to work things out. So I did. But she lied, saying I could go home and not go back to the program. When I told him I knew she was lying, this good Jesuit gave me his phone number and promised to come get me any time of day or night if the deal went sideways. Next day, he made good on that promise. Picked me up from a house where I'd hidden till nightfall and brought me out to the highway on the edge of town so I could hitchhike the hell out of Florida.
I will always be grateful to this guy, his wife and Pete's brother and friends. Never let morality get in the way of doing what's right. (or Never let your dogma run out in front of your karma)
A free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper. He must free himself from the habit, just as soon as something does not please him, of calling for the police.
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
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