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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Who's making it and how?
« on: November 16, 2002, 09:15:00 PM »
As a matter of fact a number of my my neighbours are refugees from the States.  But don't worry It's clear that KIDS and The Straights did a better job of indoctrinating you than you realise.  The Bushes, the Semblers, the Straights  -- all part of the same repressive regime, right?, land of the free, home of the brave, right?  With an incarceration rate higher than anything under the Soviet regime?
Are you guys fans of Pat Buchanan or what? Is that what the Straights teach you?
I just love needling right wing Americans, they are such idiots.  Read Chomsky (the most highly respected American outside of the US) and you'll understand.

As for the people moving south of the border,  that's actually a myth.  As my son said after spending a couple of months working down there "It's a hell-hole, we have a much better quality of life."   Again, go see "Bowling for Columbine"  You guys are self-destructing.  You may not see it yet but consider what Jeb Bush's daughter is trying to tell you?  Ask why, and look in the mirror.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Who's making it and how?
« on: November 16, 2002, 11:27:00 AM »
You've obviously been misinformed about the Canadian system, which may be in crisis but nevertheless does not see a substantial portion of the population without ANY medical care at all as is the case with our hysterical friends to the south. But then, you should see the movie  "Bowling for Columbine" where your own Michael Moore asks questions about why so many people are being killed in the US.  Again you lock up poorer people, especially in Jeb Bush's Florida .  Something approaching 7 times the incarceration rate of Canada where we are more inclined to care for each other, (and our neighbours by the hundreds when they got stranded on Sept 11th, 2001) And you Yanks wonder why the rest of the world hates you! I would have thought it was bloody obvious.  Straight inc. is just one of the reasons.         So go ahead with your war against everything.  Many Canadians and a growing number of informed Americans don't want to be a part of it.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / AARC
« on: November 11, 2002, 11:30:00 AM »
A little bird told me that there are a couple of people in Fort McMurray who were sent AT GOVERNMENT EXPENSE to North Jersey  ..  then "something happened" and they were transferred to  a facility at Utah.   I don't know anything more but understand that something like $30,000.00 each was spent.. Any info?

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Hamilton...
« on: November 11, 2002, 11:18:00 AM »
there was nothing there

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News Items / Who knows Dean Vause - lets have some facts here too
« on: November 10, 2002, 09:58:00 PM »
Well that's kind of the same as saying "I'm not sure what I think about using heroin until I've tried it", isn't it?  I think the problem is that one would almost have to have a graduate degree in epistemology to sort out the myths and propaganda from valid facts, logic and rationality when dealing with what you get through the established media.
 I recently visited an habitual criminal who believes that marijuana should be available for medical purposes.  However, he didn't agree with legalization either.  In fact, he thought prohibition was a good thing and, as a consequence of what he'd been told at Adaac, he felt that alcohol should once more be prohibited because of all the harm it does.  When I pointed out that the vast majority of people who might drink recreationally do not become alcoholics, and that rates are no higher in countries like France and Italy, hr found it hard to comprehend.  
Despite what you have said, I suspect that the indoctrination you have received stands in the way of the sort of rational approach that  would allow for the informed use of drugs.  If that were to happen, I would argue there would be far less tragedy arising from the abuse of drugs.  

By the way, you mention the 72 hr. legislation.  Have you studied the impact of this/talked to any "survivors"?  If so, I would certainly be interested in the outcomesfrom their perspective, since all I've been getting is from the perspective of the "authorities"
I remember a criminologist who was very strong on developing "self-report" analyses  which came up with very different conclusions than others -- but that was back in the seventies.

I'm appalled at several things in our education system, police in classrooms, DARE, teachers who are afraid to teach critical thinking.  things like "bowling classes",  sometimes so-called "life skills". , etc.
There I go ranting again.  
Actually, I'm still very interested in getting together a sytematic critique of AARC.
When are you going to contact me?

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News Items / Who knows Dean Vause - lets have some facts here too
« on: November 10, 2002, 04:14:00 PM »
No, I don't think you rambled on.  And I can understand you being more concerned about the war on drug users than the war on producers.
But it seems to me that you have only gone half-way in your reasoning.  As you know, the US  in its war against everything equates drug users with sponsoring terrorism.  That's because the high price of drugs caused by prohibition moves marketing into the hands of organised crime, because the profits are so tempting. The other side of that picture is that if the drugs were legal they could be prescribed, you could obtain them from licensed outlets, the profits would not be going to criminals.    
Mo Mowlam, who was the UK drug czar came out in favour of legalising drugs as a means of countering organised crime.  
What has happened in Portugal (virtual legalization) demonstrates that the sky will not fall, children will not become overnight heroin addicts.  While there may be some minor increase in narco tourism, that would not be a problem if the policy were to be adopted world-wide.  
The United Nations drug control authority is rife with corruption.  If newsweek says our police forces have been corrupted on this issue, how much more has that happened in the US.  eg, at least 2 Federal Judges have declared the LAPD to be a racketeering organisation -- & the drug war is central to that.  And hence we come back to AARC -- borne out of Straight, Inc and the Sembler family, with links going back to Nancy Reagan, the Bushes and the Fundamentalist Christian   right (I have a "christian" relative on the  Edmonton Police Force who worked on narcotics and once opined that the death penalty would be too good for traffickers of marijuana -- you can imagine the interesting discussions we can get into).
What I am trying to tell you is that there are more people who can have a positive influence  in positions of influence than you probably realise.
For example a former prosecutor in Grande Prairie who stated to the press that Legalization of marijuana would be a more logical than mere decriminalization.  This point of view has recently been expressed in the Montreal Gazette.  Do I ramble, or is this just a rant?
AsI said before, I really would like to talk to you, but I can see how you would need to check me out

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News Items / Who knows Dean Vause - lets have some facts here too
« on: November 09, 2002, 08:40:00 AM »
I like most of your comments.  And what you say about DV is what I expected.  I suppose that what harm reduction proponents recognize is that people will experiment with drugs no matter what. It's a realistic, pragmatic approach at the street level.  
But you talk about "cracking down" on the major suppliers.  Well, isn't that what the DEA have been trying for the last 30 years with, for example, Plan Colombia?  been there, done that, it doesn't work.
It seems to me that the war on drugs does more harm than the drugs themselves, and "crack-downs" merely exacerbate the situation.
A psychologist friend of mine suggested that the war on drugs is really a turf war between the hell's angels and the pharmaceutical companies.  
My question is, where does AARC fit into the grand scheme of things?

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News Items / Who knows Dean Vause - lets have some facts here too
« on: November 09, 2002, 12:34:00 AM »
So...
Velvet,  what do you know of "harm reduction"? And what can you, or others on this site tell us about what Dean Vause's reaction would be to people like "dancesafe" or "ravesafe" who say that they neither condone nor condemn the use of drugs but that people who are fully and truthfully informed about drugs will make wiser choices on not only what to use, but also how to use?  In other words they will take care of themselves.
For example..  Is there a "safe" way to use ecstacy?  meth?   cocaine?  
What is the lethality of these substances?
What is the addictive potential of them?
What does AARC say about them?

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