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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Antigen on March 28, 2005, 07:57:00 PM
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Alana, please take a look at the following post. It's just one exmaple of many, many posts that came from the same account as others stating that they were at the Mansion when they posted.
Unless you think someone hacked that account and made dozens of similar posts (not at all likely), can you explain to me how you can defend this kind of behavior?
Anonymous
Unregistered User Posted: 2005-03-10 16:03:00
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Did you forget leah? You told us all about your family secrets, and if you dont stop i will tell them all, if you are going to tell lies about us, its going to backfire on you. and what do you want us to do, rescue you like you have been your whole life? so you can turn into your grandpa?
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Folks, I have a request. Please don't pile on here. I'm asking you not to throw a million other questions into this thread. I'd like to see how Alana responds to just this one question. He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
--Albert Einstein
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Can I take your logging off just now to mean that you can't defend it?
The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force.
--Thomas Jefferson
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I hold it to be the inalienable right of anybody to go to hell in his own way.
--Robert Frost, American poet
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Hello - I'm happy to answer your question. I haven't logged off. I have just been trying to do other things as well.
What is your question, Antigen?
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All I can do is give my opinion. This is a forum for those. Nobody is on trial here. I don't know who posted this, but more importantly, I don't understand the question. Can you clarify your question? Are you asking whether I can defend the poster's opinion, the poster's right to post it, or what.
I'm not sure what you are asking. In any case, as I've stated, I am giving you my opinion. I don't know who is hacking what. I can tell you that I have received messages from people on this site who then said they never sent them. I don't know who sent them. It really doesn't matter, though.
If this is to be a true exchange of opinion, let's allow everyone to have theirs. I don't need to defend whoever posted that message. I'm not sure I even understand it.
Have I answered your question?
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Alana,
"Did you forget leah? You told us all about your family secrets, and if you dont stop i will tell them all, "
That's pretty clear. What part of it do you not understand?
That post (the one I quoted and linked to) was just one of many posts threatening to use private information against Whitmore critics (kids, in other words, who had trusted them or who's parents had trusted them w/ that info)
I can verify that I am 99% sure, as sure as anyone can be, barring some extremely sophisticated and bizarre kind of hoax, that that post and many other similar threats were, indeed, sent from the Whitmore.
Does it occure to you that you should (must!) be very careful not to piss those people off? I mean, if they'll do it to Leah and Erica and Jason and Joey and anyone else who crosses Cheryl, don't you think they might do it to you and your daughter too?
One day, you may well see (or hear over the phone)
"Did you forget Tori? You told us all about your family secrets, and if you dont stop i will tell them all,"
I don't know about you, but that alone, if that were even the half of it, is enough to make me not trust these people around vulnerable, naively trusting children!
Instead of giving money to fund colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth.
--Will Rogers
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Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
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Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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The way I read it, it appears to be a posting from a teenager. If the Sudweeks were to monitor the kids' e-mail, they'd be chastised here (see previous postings); if they don't monitor, and the kids speak freely, is that a problem, too?
I'm not worried about making anyone there angry, and if parents don't trust them, so be it. I think we've established beyond a shadow of a doubt that some parents don't trust them. Does this forum exist as a bully pulpit to try to convince everyone to attack the Sudweeks? If so, there's no point in anyone who has a contrary opinion posting it. If that's the purpose of this Whitmore discussion, please be decent enough to let me know and I'll be happy to cease posting. It looks to me like anyone who likes the Whitmore comes under attack. I'd rather get involved in a fair dialogue. If this is the "attack the Whitmore" clan, please tell me and I'll check out. . .
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Alana,
I thing the problem is this. These kinds of postings, the threatening ones to Leah, are with the approval of Cheryl, if not written by Cheryl herself. Leah was quite privy to a lot of what Cheryl does. I would think that that should be something for you to think about regardless of what you think the Sudweeks did for Tori. You know, the end doesn't always justify the means. And therein lies the problem.
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It seems very difficult for a Sudweeks follower to put themself in the "position of the Sudweeks turning against them" and threatening THEM. Alana just does not seem capable of putting herself in that position, and answering the question.
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Apparently you haven't read what I've written. I've posted numerous messages answering this. Let me just say it one more time. I am NOT in that position. I'm not asking you to put yourself in mine because it's impossible. I'll say it again - if a parent doesn't trust what's going on at The Whitmore, they should do what they think is right, just as I'm doing.
IF the Sudweeks were abusive, I would be the first to pull my child out. I have not experienced that though. What more do you want?? If you think I'm going to join your hostile, vigilante group, you're wasting your time. At least be a big enough person to allow others their opinion.
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If I believed that, my opinion would change. I don't believe for one minute that it's Cheryl.
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Have you asked her,Cheryl that is? Or your daughter? You might be surprised at the answer.
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I believe you believe what you say. And I agree w/ you to some extent. Some of the ppl who are no longer very happy w/ the Whitmore have gone far afield of the original complaints and been quite ugly about it at times. (in the Southern sense of the word) People do sometimes lose their temper. That's life.
Gmom is right. When you put it all together, the idea that all these kids have posted all this foul and threatening stuff w/o the Suds knowing it just doesn't pass the giggle test. If they have that little idea how those kids are spending their time, well that sort of flies in the face of everyone's claims that they very strictly control the kids' schedules and activities, doesn't it?
Here's the funny part. When I first heard about threats against the kids who made statements to the Nephi PD that Cheryl didn't like, I took it w/ a grain of salt. Of course, I understand that kids (and adults) often exagerate or misrepresent things; especially whenever they're talking about a matter of contention.
But then I saw these same threats coming from the same location as all the Whitmore 'support' as well as a few from other parts of the country. Along with that, information that should have been kept in confidence and protected by pt/therapis confidentiality used as amunition in this little war.
This isn't just rumor or second hand info. We all saw those posts and I can attest to the fact that many of them came from the same location as people who stated things like "I'm looking Cheryl right in the face now" or "I'm living home, but just visiting the Whitmore right now" or "I'm sitting on the second floor of the Mansion right now" or "We're all packing up, getting ready for our trip to Mexico".
If I hadn't seen that reaction, I'd still be wondering about those allegations. But the Whitmore people have confirmed them. It seems to me that you're already pretty solidly alligned w/ a vigilante group.
Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys
--P.J. O'Rourke
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That last few replies were from Alana. I forgot to sign in. I'm not afraid to use my name like some others are. I was distracted - my poor, brainwashed, miserable daughter who never tells me anything called me. Oops? Could that be? They "let" her call???
In case anyone cares, the kids are having a blast on their trip. Note to vigilantes: Just ignore this message. You won't believe it anyway.
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So Tori has re-joined the traveling school? Hope since she is "staff" that she won't be required to sleep under the bus. Understand some of the kids are very upset about that. Do you think having underage kids hanging out at Circus Circus in Las Vegas is appropriate, too for travel studies?
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Tori's not a student, of course they "let" her call.
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What did Sudweeks tell you parents about "DR" Bernie Farrow and his job at Whitmore? Were you aware he was fired from Cedar Mountain Academy for lying about his credentials? Maybe he should be called MR Bernie Farrow????
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Alana aren't you a volunteer for Sue Scheff's organization, P.U.R.E.? Do you recruit students for Whitmore Academy and receive a fee if a student is enrolled there? Is that one big reason for you supporting the Sudweeeks? $$$$$
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Alana,
Then how is it that the postings are coming from the Whitmore, some in the middle of the night, when one would assume the kids would be sleeping, if not from Cheryl??????
Has Tori told you about some of methods used on these kids? Leah seems to have lived through it all, too. She developed some pretty good survival skills early on, but there were times when the wrath of Cheryl didn't escape her. and those times were very brutal. If parents used the same methods, they would be arrested and their children taken away.
I would suggest you take the rose-colored glasses off because they are giving you tunnel vision.
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Perhaps they aren't "rose colored glasses." It may be the $$$$ that keeps here around. Is she or is she not getting referral fees through PURE?
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If that is, in fact, the case, then I guess we do have a one-sided conversation going on with Alana. Can't argue with COLD, HARD CASH with reason and proof!!!!
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come on....easy on good ol ALANA.....truth is difficult.......she can't respond straight up with yes or no answers...look TORI's a success story..need Alana say more...........no as for money, hey.....no principle need apply.....WHORE you say...no...no...easy, Alana's a good person.....honest.....you just don't know her.......lawyer and all I hear..........what do you expect.....scum down to the bottom..............oh Whitmore......great place, let me direct you to the SUDS........I get a finder fee.........I'm basically a good person.....for a lawyer.............no complainers need apply.............
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Alana, think you were asked simple questions:
Do you approve of the Sudweeks taking minor kids to Las Vegas, and having these kids fighting because they are not happy about sleeping under the big bus?
What do you know about "DR??" Bernie Farrow and him being fired from Cedar Mountain Academy because of his "credential problems?" Same school that PURE referred to while he was there.
How could you not believe Cheryl was present during the threatning posts from Whitmore location, and since the posts were made during the middle of the night--how can you be sure Cheryl didn't make the posts herself?
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On 2005-03-29 15:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Alana, think you were asked simple questions:
Do you approve of the Sudweeks taking minor kids to Las Vegas, and having these kids fighting because they are not happy about sleeping under the big bus?
Has anyone been able to confirm this?
What do you know about "DR??" Bernie Farrow and him being fired from Cedar Mountain Academy because of his "credential problems?" Same school that PURE referred to while he was there.
Excellent question.
How could you not believe Cheryl was present during the threatning posts from Whitmore location, and since the posts were made during the middle of the night--how can you be sure Cheryl didn't make the posts herself?"
Another good question.He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
--Albert Einstein
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Information re: being in Las Vegas on the "Bulletin Board" reported by Lori..information about sleeping under the bus: reported in "Group Summary" by Krissy...in the weekly report published to us Whitmore parents.
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This weekly report is dated 3-20-05
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Alana, no reply to the questions?
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As a matter of fact, I have. I also received satisfactory answers - none of which I'll share with you. I'm not obligated to answer your questions. You're the one making accusations - you step up to the plate and identify yourself and your sources. Until you do that, don't waste your time questioning me.
Were you there when this alleged incident took place? I have spoken to a number of people who give completely opposite recollections.
Look - give it up - you're wasting your time. Take your accusations to the authorities. They are wasted on me.
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Anonymous - no reply to the question?
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This is a classic example of people posting totally untrue allegations. I have never received a penny; nor would I ask for any money to simply tell the truth.
You are unbelievably jaded. This entire conversation is based on speculation and lies. You don't know jack. You have just given me all the proof I need that most of the people on this site are all worked up over lies. They never end. I'm tired of this.
You can all just keep feeding your misery and hysteria. I have better things to do.
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Alana,
I haven't seen a reply to anything I have posted in replies to what you have stated. Check the postings. My name is no secret, nor does it need to be. But, just to put the record straight, I do not lie, and I do not make false allegations. I was there and personally told LIES by Cheryl. One of those lies being that my granddaughter would be college-ready after her stay at Whitmore, that they, Whitmore, were accredited through the Nebo school district. ALL LIES!!!!
These same lies were told to my granddaughter's mother by Sue Scheff. ALL LIES!!! And there are more.
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Alana--no allegations were made. You were asked a question. There is a difference. Aren't you in the legal field in some way? You should know the difference between a question and an allegation. You sure jump to conclusions quickly, don't you?
You were simply asked if you received referral fees thru PURE? If not, a simple "no" is all that is required. Many do, you know?
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What accusations? No one accused YOU of anything.
The accusations against the Sudweeks are in the authorites' hands. Talk to Detective Justin Kimball at the Nephi Police Department. He is working on this case now.
What are you all worked up about? You put yourself out there as the spokesperson for Whitmore and the Sudweeks. We were merely asking questions, not accusing you of anything.
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On 2005-03-30 10:37:00, Alana wrote:
This is a classic example of people posting totally untrue allegations. I have never received a penny; nor would I ask for any money to simply tell the truth.
No, I don't think anyone mady any allegations about you making money from your referalls. Maybe I missed it if they did, but all I've seen on the topic was a question "do you get referal fees".
Personally, I believe you when you say you do it for free. But I wouldn't go bragging about that. Personally, I'd rather be thought to be greedy than easy.
Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
--Winston Churchill
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LIAR
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LIAR??? No one made any allegations. A questions was asked. Sounds like some one just may be a bit too upset about a mere question here. What's the problem?
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Alana, about the 3 questions:
Did you get any type of "compensation" like reduced tuition, or free tuition for referring students to Whitmore as a volunteer for Sue Scheff at Pure?
What do you know about "DR" Bernie Farrow at Whitmore? about him being fired at Cedar Mountain Academy when Sue Scheff was referring kids there and Farrow having some problems with his credentials? Is he a PhD? or not?
Do you think it is appropriate for the Suds to take the kids to Las Vegas on a "travel study" to hang out at the Circus Circus, and do you think the kids have the right to be upset because some of them have to sleep UNDER the Big Bus?