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The Troubled Teen Industry / Many Parents Reluctant to Place Daughters?

« on: September 17, 2003, 03:05:00 AM »

I think parents are right to be reluctant and suspicious since the industry is so unregulated and the consequences for making the wrong choice are so devastating and irreversible.

This is not exactly the place to do market research anyways. Most people here are not going to recieve you well as they have already had aformentioned bad experience with programs.

My advice, hire only college educated, qualified and licensed staff. Post their documented credentials as well as a breakdown of all costs involved in the program and what those monies go towards. Screen and background check all potential hires in all 50 states and give them personality exams designed to weed out potential abusers. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

In addition make clear as to what kinds of problems you can and can't handle. You can't mix serious drug addicts with kids who have trouble in school and girls who have a history of abuse. That is one of the fatal flaws in almost all of these programs. If you claim to treat drug addiction, then you better have certified and licensed drug counselors or your just a fraud like the rest of the industry.

If programs had to follow strict, enforced, regulations, groups like WWASP and CEDU(Brown Schools) would no longer be torturing teens for fun and profit.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Midwest Academy!!?!?!?

« on: September 12, 2003, 08:35:00 PM »

Right in time to steal summer from a few hundred teens.

The Troubled Teen Industry / Recent WWASP death

« on: September 12, 2003, 05:16:00 AM »

There are many ways to kill a person. There are fast ways and there are slow ways. They killed him the slow way and they get to call it a suicide.

Its murder... They killed him. If you manipulate and torture a person, particularly a "minor" to the point where they see death as the only option then that is murder. Essentially they pursued a course of manipulation and abuse that destabilized him to the point where "suicide" or other self-destructive acts were inevitable. They held him prisoner and they pushed him to self-distruct.

Its murder.

The Troubled Teen Industry / Against Their Will?

« on: September 12, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

I suggest you read this http://www.isaccorp.com/tbj/tranquilityreport.doc

This is why we are fighting to protect the rights of teens and why the current situation is vastly inadaquate.

The Troubled Teen Industry / How Do Survivors Feel About Their Parents?

« on: September 07, 2003, 04:37:00 PM »

I think that when parents are honest with their kids and respect their privacy and their decisions and be open about what they have done and the mistakes they have made the kids will usually follow their parent's example.

Using myself as an example, neither of my parents smoke and from a very early age they expressed their disgust with it and how they had tried it and not liked it. They did not police me or give me dirty looks when I hung out with smokers and whoopee even though probably all my friends were smokers at some point (more than half have quit) I don't smoke. Its the parents who suspect their kids all the time and moralize and yell instead of discuss that send their kids off without any good reason not to get high.

If you treat your kids like criminals they will behave that way.

Personally my goal in this cause is not to close down WWASP and the other torture centers but to ban the entire industry and secure legislation that would make it illegal to commit anyone to any form of psychological treatment against their will without due process and the opportunity to present witnesses in their favor as well as a very high bar of accountability in any mental health or treatment facility that houses people against their will.

The industry as a whole is the problem, not just WWASP or CEDU. I feel that inevitably there is gonna be a crisis within the next 2 or 3 years, with this industry. Particularly with WWASP which is already beginning to crumble. At the rate things are going it is only a matter of time before a large overcrowded brutal facility causes an immense disaster with many deaths. A large riot where the staff is executed (because they fucking deserve to die) or more likely an outbreak of disease or food poisoning that kills several inmates.

It is gonna happen, do you want your kid there when it does?

The Troubled Teen Industry / Straight

« on: August 25, 2003, 04:57:00 PM »

I don't refer parents to programs. Plain and simple, when asked I refer them to look at checklists on how to determine whether a program is safe, professional, and as non-invasive as possible. I occasionally when pressed give a few names of programs that have been around for a long time without incident, but mostly just outpatient stuff and respected licensed therapists and psychologists. I also tell them about some books they might want to pick up, like the teenage liberation handbook and some John Holt books so they can better understand what it is like to be a teen. Teenagers, especially older ones are caught in an endless legal limbo. The law says they have virtually the same rights as an infant or a dog, but the same laws also hold them to a higher standard of behavior than their own parents. Its legal in most states for an adult to have sex with a 16 year old but that same 16 year old can't even see an R movie without a parent.

The Troubled Teen Industry / photos look familiar to anyone?

« on: August 25, 2003, 04:45:00 PM »

Now they are trying to pass themselves off as military schools? What are they thinking?

Traditional military schools are really just regular boarding schools that put emphasis on military style discipline and getting into a military academy for college. They are not bootcamps they are just a bit more strict and rigid than a regular boarding school. Some of them have been around for centuries and are regarded very highly in academics.

WWASP gulags are no more military schools than a regular prep boarding school. They are prison camps where the best your kid can do is just survive it. If they 'graduate' and don't completely self-destruct at home, wwasp will gladly provide an authentic looking transcript so mommy and daddy can send their kid off to a decent college and pat themselves on the back for doing the right thing.

The Troubled Teen Industry / Mid American Turns Kids Over to Mormons

« on: August 24, 2003, 05:18:00 PM »

Mormons certainly have a lot of strange beliefs. I greatly suspect any religion whose living leaders are revered as prophets and members as saints.

More disturbing though is that the founders of Mormonism considered the mark of their status to be life and death power over others and of course having sex with as many 14 year old girls they could get their hands on.

The Troubled Teen Industry / ISAC's REPORT ON TRANQUILITY BAY

« on: August 24, 2003, 12:56:00 AM »

Those people are so lucky I am not in charge.

There is no torture, no punishment, nothing that can possibly be imagined that could even come close to giving them what they deserve. I suppose it fitting symetry since there is nothing that can give back what they have raped away from those they have hurt.

Read the Report, it is among the most terrible truths of our time.

The Troubled Teen Industry / The US Department of State and Off-Shore Programs

« on: August 22, 2003, 03:05:00 AM »

It has occured to me often that a lot of wwasp parents really only care about themselves and actually deep down want their kid to be abused for all the pain they feel they were put through.

Of course when their kid self-destructs after a few months or years because of the abuse in that place they will deny it has anything to do with the abuse except to say they are relapsing. Then about 30 years down the road the parent will wonder why they don't see their grandkids and why their own grown child does not visit or even call. The poor poor parents. I weep for you...really.

they need more cyanide in the coolaid just like they need more cancer in the cigarrettes.

But don't worry I am just venting, what people do when they are angry, I don't really mean all of it, just the part where the world would be a better place if parents who tried to send their kids to these hellholes were shot along with the ones who run them. I think Republicans call that a detterant effect.

The Troubled Teen Industry / check it out

« on: August 18, 2003, 01:17:00 PM »

Good for him. So he sells his story for a movie and a book and good for him for doing it. I hope he makes a lot of money from it and enjoy himself. Any victory is a good thing.

The Troubled Teen Industry / Utah Human Services Site Links

« on: August 17, 2003, 01:53:00 AM »

I found the link related to profiting from failure interesting

here is a snippet of recomendations:

Combined with the lists of red flags that may indicate a program is abusive or dangerous this is good food for thought.

The practice of profiting from failure seems to be growing so much that consumers, referring professionals and some industry leaders are commenting that youth programs are becoming a "rip-off industry." In many cases a program will profit if they fail your child or your child has problems beyond the resources of a program.

Consumers and professionals should avoid programs that have contracts and policies that create leverage in favor of a program profiting from their own failure. Here are some warning sign and steps you can take to protect yourself.

Be cautious and seek qualified consultation if you intend to enroll your child in a program that is likely to recommend one of their programs next. Most programs refer to their "family" of programs exclusively and make minimal effort to refer students to other programs that would be more appropriate.

Ask the program if they pay incentives to their staff when they make a successful referral to a programs in their "family" of services.

Read the contract and give it to a qualified attorney for review. Sign no contract that allows a program to keep your tuition or charge you the balance of your tuition if your child becomes ill, is expelled or runs away.

Do not enroll your child in a program that has runaways and is not required to take students back if they keep your child's tuition and deposits. Ask the program how many runaways they have a month or per year (verify this by calling local law enforcement).

Put all verbally expressed exceptions to the contract in writing. Write a letter of understanding if necessary or write the exceptions directly on the original contract.

Do not sign a contract, make payment or agree to pay for services not rendered in advance if the program does not offer external appeal or binding arbitration regarding requested exceptions. The program should state in writing that the remaining tuition and deposits will be refunded if a qualified professional determines that your child is not or was not benefiting from that program.

Never sign a contract unless the contract states that the well-being of the child is paramount and that no contractual obligation supercedes that child's health and emotional well-being.

Never sign a contract that potentially allows the program to withhold your child's school credits or degree until you pay for services that were not rendered.

Do not enroll a child in a program that does not explicitly outline the basis of the exceptions to the contract that would require a refund or would void your contractual obligation.

Do not use your credit card to make payments beyond the initial payment. If you use your credit card, inform your credit card company that you do not authorize further charges to the school without your permission.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / KarenZ / PURE

« on: August 16, 2003, 07:49:00 PM »

I assume that you moved him out of wwasp to a non-confrontational program that has capable staff and appropriate licenses?

The Troubled Teen Industry / Runaway Teen

« on: August 16, 2003, 07:46:00 PM »

here is the thread so far for those of us who don't visit Lon's little cacoon of self-delusion.

psychoma
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posted August 16, 2003 01:59 PM
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I don't know if this will mean anything to anyone on this website... but...
I just spoke on the phone to my 17 year old son. He's a runaway living on the streets of NYC. Anyway...he was telling me about a new friend he made, Alex, who is a 17 year old boy who has run away from a boarding school in upstate NY near the Canadian border. He's originally from Washington State. When I asked questions about Alex contacting his parents, Corey said that Alex sent them a letter that he had someone mail from California so he could hide his whereabouts.
I just know the torture I went through when Corey didn't contact us for 4 months, so I thought I'd post this just on the off chance that Alex's parents visit this site.
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Mrs.D.VA
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posted August 16, 2003 02:20 PM
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Thank you for the post. Have you contacted the "missing children" phone line to let them know this information? Just a thought. I don't know the number but someone else on this site probably does or it's in the phone book.

Glad you at least got to talk with your son. Deb

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17 y/o son (1/2003) successful graduate TBS 1/2003

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A runaway from Ivy Ridge perhaps? It is near the Canadian border. Run kid run, you are better off free.

The Troubled Teen Industry / ANOTHER LIST OF DEAD INSTITUTIONALIZED AMERICAN TEENS

« on: August 08, 2003, 02:11:00 PM »

Pure is an educational consultant group, mainly consisting of one mother (Sue Scheff) whose daughter was hurt by wwasp.

She only refers to programs that give her fees per referral.

She still believes that much of the industry has something positive to offer but she has no better criteria for selecting her preferred programs than any other consultant. She also refers to escort agencies.

Now my thoughts:

Sue just never connected the dots that these programs are bad in general and WWASP is just among the worst, but probably not the worst of all.

As to escort agencies, several mental health organizations have come out strongly opposed to escorts, because even if all things are done professionally, the reality is that it is kidnapping and in a very grey area legally in many states, and in some illegal. If that were not enough all evidence shows that even children who are kidnapped by their own parents (like during custody battles) or tricked by their parents into being dropped off at these programs the feelings of betrayal are profound and seldom fade.