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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: jraypdxxx on December 07, 2005, 03:44:00 PM

Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on December 07, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
Ok... I have this crazy idea. Let's start a guest book. Simply copy and paste the peoples name that come before you and add your to the bottom of the list. That way we can see who's actually around. Maybe some of you are too private and don't want to have your name in print...that's ok too. It's just an experiment..let's see where it goes if anywhere?

Jim Horn
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Carmel on December 07, 2005, 03:54:00 PM
Carmel Woods (Fales)

Mar '90-Nov '90
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on December 07, 2005, 04:29:00 PM
Jim Horn 89
Carmel Woods (Fales) Mar '90-Nov '90
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: groovy1634 on December 07, 2005, 05:12:00 PM
Jim Horn 89
Carmel Woods (Fales) Mar '90-Nov '90..
..
Lisa Hartman mar 1991- june 1991
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: PerfectStraightling on December 07, 2005, 05:40:00 PM
Jim Horn 89
Carmel Woods (Fales) Mar '90-Nov '90.
Lisa Hartman mar 1991- june 1991
Jane A. 1989

What's up Jim?
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on December 07, 2005, 06:48:00 PM
good Jane...it was 89 right?
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Gah on December 08, 2005, 11:03:00 PM
Jim Horn 89
Carmel Woods (Fales) Mar '90-Nov '90.
Lisa Hartman mar 1991- june 1991
Jane A. 1989
Shanna Reynolds Dec 1987- ?
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: PerfectStraightling on December 09, 2005, 03:24:00 AM
Yes. And I know because I have eaten a lot of turkey lately and it's really good for memory. Otherwise I would for sure have forgotten.

Besides all of that nonsense, I am really getting tired of feeling this feeling about straight that I still have trouble putting my finger on. It's a combination of abandonment and powerlessness (ha! a feeling though, not a death sentence). More being abandoned and forgotten. Or betrayed. I was completely betrayed by my MOTHER. How can your mother abandon you?

Outside
Gets inside
Through her skin.
I've been out before
But this time it's much safer in.

Last night in the sky,
Such a bright light.
My radar send me danger
But my instincts tell me to keep

Breathing,
("Out, in, out, in, out, in...")
Breathing,
Breathing my mother in,
Breathing my beloved in,
Breathing,
Breathing her nicotine,
Breathing,
Breathing the fall-out in,
Out in, out in, out in, out in.

We've lost our chance.
We're the first and the last, ooh,
After the blast.
Chips of Plutonium
Are twinkling in every lung.

I love my
Beloved, ooh,
All and everywhere,
Only the fools blew it.
You and me
Knew life itself is

Breathing,
("Out, in, out, in, out...")
Breathing,
Breathing my mother in,
Breathing my beloved in,
Breathing,
Breathing her nicotine,
Breathing,
Breathing the fall-out in,
Out in, out in, out in, out in,
Out in, out in, out in, out...
("Out!")

"In point of fact it is possible to tell the
("Out!")
difference between a small nuclear explosion and
a large one by a very simple method. The calling
card of a nuclear bomb is the blinding flash that
is far more dazzling than any light on earth--brighter
even than the sun itself--and it is by the duration
of this flash that we are able to determine the size
("What are we going to do without?")
of the weapon. After the flash a fireball can be
seen to rise, sucking up under it the debris, dust
and living things around the area of the explosion,
and as this ascends, it soon becomes recognisable
as the familiar "mushroom cloud". As a demonstration
of the flash duration test let's try and count the
number of seconds for the flash emitted by a very
small bomb; then a more substantial, medium-sized
bomb; and finally, one of our very powerful,
"high-yield" bombs

"What are we going to do without?"
Ooh please!
"What are we going to do without?"
Let me breathe!
"What are we going to do without?"
Ooh, Quick!
"We are all going to die without!"
Breathe in deep!
"What are we going to die without?"
Leave me something to breathe!
"We are all going to die without!"
Oh, leave me something to breathe!
"What are we going to do without?"
Oh, God, please leave us something to breathe!"
"We are all going to die without
Oh, life is--Breathing.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on December 12, 2005, 08:29:00 PM
so I guess there are 5 of us?
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Gah on December 12, 2005, 08:55:00 PM
I know some more that have been here.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on December 13, 2005, 08:12:00 PM
Shanna....did you have curly hair?
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Gah on December 13, 2005, 09:00:00 PM
No! I didnt have curly hair well I guess it was kinda wavy, I came in with long, dirty blonde hair, I left with short, extra dirty blonde hair. The only girls I remember having curly hair was Michelle K. and Leslie E.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on December 13, 2005, 09:02:00 PM
Awww...you girls sound so cute. :smile:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2005, 11:18:00 PM
Watch it ladies, this guy already has his 'finger' in a few pies...meaning a few ladies from THIS board. :grin: Proceed with caution, & USE PROTECTION. :eek: :lol:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2005, 09:15:00 AM
Leslie Porter
Irving, Tx.
Aug. 1989 - Jan. 1991
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2005, 09:38:00 AM
Jim Horn 89
Carmel Woods (Fales) Mar '90~Nov '90.
Lisa Hartman mar 1991~june 1991
Jane A. 1989
Shanna Reynolds Dec 1987~?
Lesle Porter Aug 1989~Jan 1991
Timmy Kemp   April 6,1987~Jan 20,1989
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on December 14, 2005, 12:20:00 PM
Thanks for keeping this organized.

Jim Horn 89
Carmel Woods (Fales) Mar '90~Nov '90.
Lisa Hartman mar 1991~june 1991
Jane A. 1989
Shanna Reynolds Dec 1987~?
Lesle Porter Aug 1989~Jan 1991
Timmy Kemp April 6,1987~Jan 20,1989
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2005, 03:09:00 PM
Jim Horn 89
Carmel Woods (Fales) Mar '90~Nov '90.
Lisa Hartman mar 1991~june 1991
Jane A. 1989
Shanna Reynolds Dec 1987~?
Lesle Porter Aug 1989~Jan 1991
Timmy Kemp April 6,1987~Jan 20,1989
delaney clark 3-87 - 11-88
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: linchpin on December 15, 2005, 08:10:00 AM
im Horn 89
Carmel Woods (Fales) Mar '90~Nov '90.
Lisa Hartman mar 1991~june 1991
Jane A. 1989
Shanna Reynolds Dec 1987~?
Lesle Porter Aug 1989~Jan 1991
Timmy Kemp April 6,1987~Jan 20,1989
delaney clark 3-87 - 11-88
Brad Beshears 4-2-1988 ~ 12-25-1988

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Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on December 15, 2005, 12:31:00 PM
Jim Horn 89
Carmel Woods (Fales) Mar '90~Nov '90.
Lisa Hartman mar 1991~june 1991
Jane A. 1989
Shanna Reynolds Dec 1987~?
Lesle Porter Aug 1989~Jan 1991
Timmy Kemp April 6,1987~Jan 20,1989
delaney clark 3-87 - 11-88
Brad Beshears 4-2-1988 ~ 12-25-1988
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: PerfectStraightling on December 15, 2005, 12:47:00 PM
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On 2005-12-15 09:31:00, jraypdxxx wrote:

"Jim Horn 89

Carmel Woods (Fales) Mar '90~Nov '90.

Lisa Hartman mar 1991~june 1991

Jane A. 1989

Shanna Reynolds Dec 1987~?

Lesle Porter Aug 1989~Jan 1991

Timmy Kemp April 6,1987~Jan 20,1989

delaney clark 3-87 - 11-88

Brad Beshears 4-2-1988 ~ 12-25-1988 "


I can think of lots of other names that were there with me, I just wouldn't know exactly how long they were there. Should we just make a list (without their last names?)
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2005, 01:36:00 PM
sup people?
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on December 21, 2005, 08:39:00 PM
is that it??
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: linchpin on December 24, 2005, 08:40:00 AM
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On 2005-12-13 20:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Watch it ladies, this guy already has his 'finger' in a few pies...meaning a few ladies from THIS board. :grin: Proceed with caution, & USE PROTECTION. :eek: :lol:"


I think starry eyed is a chick...
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2005, 02:18:00 PM
anyone else?
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: taureana on December 29, 2005, 10:38:00 AM
Jim Horn 89
Carmel Woods (Fales) Mar '90~Nov '90.
Lisa Hartman mar 1991~june 1991
Jane A. 1989
Shanna Reynolds Dec 1987~?
Lesle Porter Aug 1989~Jan 1991
Timmy Kemp April 6,1987~Jan 20,1989
delaney clark 3-87 - 11-88
Brad Beshears 4-2-1988 ~ 12-25-1988
Kelly Clark (now Grzyb) 08/08/88-05/??/89
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2006, 01:25:00 AM
Jim Horn 89
Carmel Woods (Fales) Mar '90~Nov '90.
Lisa Hartman mar 1991~june 1991
Jane A. 1989
Shanna Reynolds Dec 1987~?
Lesle Porter Aug 1989~Jan 1991
Timmy Kemp April 6,1987~Jan 20,1989
delaney clark 3-87 - 11-88
Brad Beshears 4-2-1988 ~ 12-25-1988
Kelly Clark (now Grzyb) 08/08/88-05/??/89
Mike Sherman 11-89 - 12-90 and then sum
my email is [email protected]
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on January 10, 2006, 11:26:00 PM
and so on and so on!
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on January 11, 2006, 12:26:00 AM
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On 2005-12-24 05:40:00, linchpin wrote:

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On 2005-12-13 20:18:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Watch it ladies, this guy already has his 'finger' in a few pies...meaning a few ladies from THIS board. ::bandit::  

What ??  No flirtin' allowed huh ??  No checkin' out the girls side ??  or what ??  Next thing ya know I'll be smokin' the ganj 'n' drinkin' the harder stuff... :wink:

No linchpin, I'm a man.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Gah on January 16, 2006, 11:48:00 PM
Anyone remember a girl named Misty? I would love to know her last name. She was my first oldcommer and she was a sweetheart.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2006, 09:32:00 AM
i remember a girl named misty ogle and she had another sister that i forgot the name of.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2006, 10:41:00 AM
So... I take it you all don't mind the vile slander Ginger lets on fornits about people using their real names?
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2006, 10:45:00 AM
What? Could you rephrase that? :???:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Carmel on January 19, 2006, 11:19:00 AM
I dont.  Sticks and stones, brother.....

As it turns out, my life has become a place where it is un-necessary to hide my past.  And anyone reading this forum that matters to me would likely already be properly informed.  I dont post anonymously, and I use my real name.  In doing so I am responsible for what I post, unlike the majority here.

This whole slander thing is becoming so LAME.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2006, 11:26:00 AM
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On 2006-01-19 07:41:00, Anonymous wrote:

"So... I take it you all don't mind the vile slander Ginger lets on fornits about people using their real names?"


You've posted your *call to arms* all over the place.  You're not getting the response you want so now you're gonna go poking at people to provoke them.....again.   :roll:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2006, 01:30:00 PM
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On 2006-01-19 08:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-19 07:41:00, Anonymous wrote:


"So... I take it you all don't mind the vile slander Ginger lets on fornits about people using their real names?"




You've posted your *call to arms* all over the place.  You're not getting the response you want so now you're gonna go poking at people to provoke them.....again.   :roll:



"


Just say whether or not you mind slander being written up on YOU. You think you're safe? You think you really don't care? Guess how easy it is to get passwords, I don't even need passwords, people yak so much all over the place about their names (just about every sorry sucker who ever came here put their real name up at one time or another) and their locations, etc. Dear old Carmie, she's just a housewife, unlike some people who will need background checks to get work and stuff. Or, just survivors of a child abuse institution that already took their privacy and dignity.

So Carmel is a whore who could never stand up to Ginger for letting that vile shit on her stand, etc. so on, because we were all taught in Straight that it didn't matter. They could tell us to our faces in front of hundreds of our peers that we were whores or any fucking we did was just masturbating because we were such sick druggies, they could say whatever they wanted, make people believe it and stand up again any time you talked to tell you again what they told you the last time to remind you what a piece of shit druggie you were, always needing a drug or an image or something to feel better about yourself. When that ISN'T the truth whatsoever, you are a child of god, no one has the right to say that, and we should all be taking up for each other on this issue because it is central to being a survivor. And I, as a survivor, am going to sue Ginger's ass off for this website.

Unless you stand up for other survivors around here whom for their own personal reasons really do not want their names and personal slander up on the internet, get ready get set go YOUR name is going to go up here. And guess who is going to take it down? Oh come on, you think i'd really do that? No, of course not. go back to your beer and your footbALL and ignore that people get personally affected by fornits. Just let it all slide by, just like Straight and all those criminal child abusers slide by to this day and the whole thing just propagated and perpetuated and spreads across the country like bad case of scabies at one of these institutions. Go on and scratch your balls and belch you sorry pig. Drink your beer while children get hog tied and marathoned and brainwashed, and who gives a shit if fifteen or twenty-five 1/2 years later they get abused some more when they are in the middle of the most traumatic memory gathering. That's all Okay and Good, Fine with all of us.

Only it isn't, is it? Or y'all wouldn't be talking about football and shit and making plans to go to protests you are never going to go to and letters you are never going to write because none of it matters at all. Eat me. Let the world rot. It is actually pretty funny, people turning their own children over to these experimenters. But what the hell, why not. Nobody and nothing sacred and respected anymore. You can say whatever you want and do whatever you want, including get your own child kidnapped & thought reformed with all the attendant inevitable physical mental emotional and spiritual abuse, you can slander, you can lie, you can make up all kinds of shit and put it here on fornits, and nobody can say anything anymore because it is a culture of fear tactics and you are brainwashed to think it is A-Okay. Who cares about anything anymore? I'll tell you who, nobody, and that's you, because where are you? What are you saying?

Are you going to talk to the media, or show up at a protest and get seen or anything? Don't think your name won't go up here, and it won't be me that puts it up, it will be anyone who had any chance to get to know it, who might be another party at that protest pretending to be Ginger Warbis from Michigan Straight or anything, don't think  you can speak freely to any survivor, whatsoever and that you won't get screwed with this information somewhere down the line because the very very LAST thing any survivor knows how to do is stick up for another survivor.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2006, 01:36:00 PM
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On 2006-01-19 10:30:00, Anonymous wrote:


Just say whether or not you mind slander being written up on YOU.

What makes you think it hasn't?


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And I, as a survivor, am going to sue Ginger's ass off for this website.
:lol:
 

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Unless you stand up for other survivors around here whom for their own personal reasons really do not want their names and personal slander up on the internet, get ready get set go YOUR name is going to go up here. And guess who is going to take it down? Oh come on, you think i'd really do that? No, of course not. go back to your beer and your footbALL and ignore that people get personally affected by fornits. Just let it all slide by, just like Straight and all those criminal child abusers slide by to this day and the whole thing just propagated and perpetuated and spreads across the country like bad case of scabies at one of these institutions. Go on and scratch your balls and belch you sorry pig. Drink your beer while children get hog tied and marathoned and brainwashed, and who gives a shit if fifteen or twenty-five 1/2 years later they get abused some more when they are in the middle of the most traumatic memory gathering. That's all Okay and Good, Fine with all of us.



Only it isn't, is it? Or y'all wouldn't be talking about football and shit and making plans to go to protests you are never going to go to and letters you are never going to write because none of it matters at all. Eat me. Let the world rot. It is actually pretty funny, people turning their own children over to these experimenters. But what the hell, why not. Nobody and nothing sacred and respected anymore. You can say whatever you want and do whatever you want, including get your own child kidnapped & thought reformed with all the attendant inevitable physical mental emotional and spiritual abuse, you can slander, you can lie, you can make up all kinds of shit and put it here on fornits, and nobody can say anything anymore because it is a culture of fear tactics and you are brainwashed to think it is A-Okay. Who cares about anything anymore? I'll tell you who, nobody, and that's you, because where are you? What are you saying?



Are you going to talk to the media, or show up at a protest and get seen or anything? Don't think your name won't go up here, and it won't be me that puts it up, it will be anyone who had any chance to get to know it, who might be another party at that protest pretending to be Ginger Warbis from Michigan Straight or anything, don't think  you can speak freely to any survivor, whatsoever and that you won't get screwed with this information somewhere down the line because the very very LAST thing any survivor knows how to do is stick up for another survivor.

"


For God's sake!  Take a deep breath and get a grip child!
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2006, 01:50:00 PM
Look, man...it's pretty simple really...if someone puts your name up & it bothers you, email Ginger and ask her to take it down.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Carmel on January 19, 2006, 02:45:00 PM
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Just say whether or not you mind slander being written up on YOU. You think you're safe? You think you really don't care? Guess how easy it is to get passwords, I don't even need passwords, people yak so much all over the place about their names (just about every sorry sucker who ever came here put their real name up at one time or another) and their locations, etc. Dear old Carmie, she's just a housewife, unlike some people who will need background checks to get work and stuff. Or, just survivors of a child abuse institution that already took their privacy and dignity.



So Carmel is a whore who could never stand up to Ginger for letting that vile shit on her stand, etc. so on, because we were all taught in Straight that it didn't matter. They could tell us to our faces in front of hundreds of our peers that we were whores or any fucking we did was just masturbating because we were such sick druggies, they could say whatever they wanted, make people believe it and stand up again any time you talked to tell you again what they told you the last time to remind you what a piece of shit druggie you were, always needing a drug or an image or something to feel better about yourself. When that ISN'T the truth whatsoever, you are a child of god, no one has the right to say that, and we should all be taking up for each other on this issue because it is central to being a survivor. And I, as a survivor, am going to sue Ginger's ass off for this website.



Unless you stand up for other survivors around here whom for their own personal reasons really do not want their names and personal slander up on the internet, get ready get set go YOUR name is going to go up here. And guess who is going to take it down? Oh come on, you think i'd really do that? No, of course not. go back to your beer and your footbALL and ignore that people get personally affected by fornits. Just let it all slide by, just like Straight and all those criminal child abusers slide by to this day and the whole thing just propagated and perpetuated and spreads across the country like bad case of scabies at one of these institutions. Go on and scratch your balls and belch you sorry pig. Drink your beer while children get hog tied and marathoned and brainwashed, and who gives a shit if fifteen or twenty-five 1/2 years later they get abused some more when they are in the middle of the most traumatic memory gathering. That's all Okay and Good, Fine with all of us.



Only it isn't, is it? Or y'all wouldn't be talking about football and shit and making plans to go to protests you are never going to go to and letters you are never going to write because none of it matters at all. Eat me. Let the world rot. It is actually pretty funny, people turning their own children over to these experimenters. But what the hell, why not. Nobody and nothing sacred and respected anymore. You can say whatever you want and do whatever you want, including get your own child kidnapped & thought reformed with all the attendant inevitable physical mental emotional and spiritual abuse, you can slander, you can lie, you can make up all kinds of shit and put it here on fornits, and nobody can say anything anymore because it is a culture of fear tactics and you are brainwashed to think it is A-Okay. Who cares about anything anymore? I'll tell you who, nobody, and that's you, because where are you? What are you saying?



Are you going to talk to the media, or show up at a protest and get seen or anything? Don't think your name won't go up here, and it won't be me that puts it up, it will be anyone who had any chance to get to know it, who might be another party at that protest pretending to be Ginger Warbis from Michigan Straight or anything, don't think  you can speak freely to any survivor, whatsoever and that you won't get screwed with this information somewhere down the line because the very very LAST thing any survivor knows how to do is stick up for another survivor.

"


Do I think I am really safe? Let me check, that would be a definate yes.  I dont have anything to hide.  I have been posting to this forum for going on 5 years or so now under my real name and my real e-mail. Ive seen people like you Anon, who come and go; the flame that burns the brightest always burns out first you know? People show up on this forum ranting and raving about making something happen, and all of a sudden they are *poof*, and along comes another jackass.  You know who sticks around and makes things happen? Ginger, Wes, Sammie, Richard......all those that are the focus of this so-called slander.  You dont see them huffing and puffing and blowing out a gasket because someone like you calls them whore or pedophile or whatever other such garbage.

I have always wanted to be a whore AND a housewife.  Maybe I can set up an outcall service, Anon....yeah....(insert dreamsequence here).....

I would prefer that people like you NOT stand up for the cause, Anon.  Because I dont see resolution in it, just another typical crash and burn.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Gah on January 19, 2006, 03:32:00 PM
So many deeper and stonger issues need attention, like the protests, getting abusive treatment centers closed. Who cares about slander when a child is sitting in a Straight like rehab as we speak. Maybe some people need to look at the bigger picture and stop being so selfish who cares if someone calls you a few names. Stop sitting in self pity and get up and go on, do what you have to do to find yourself so you will stop being so selfish.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2006, 03:43:00 PM
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On 2006-01-19 12:32:00, Gah wrote:

"So many deeper and stonger issues need attention, like the protests, getting abusive treatment centers closed. Who cares about slander when a child is sitting in a Straight like rehab as we speak. Maybe some people need to look at the bigger picture and stop being so selfish who cares if someone calls you a few names. Stop sitting in self pity and get up and go on, do what you have to do to find yourself so you will stop being so selfish.

 :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2006, 03:47:00 PM
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sitting in self pity

Watch the str8 lingo, they will be quick to harp on that, no offense.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: 001010 on January 19, 2006, 10:52:00 PM
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On 2006-01-19 11:45:00, Carmel wrote:

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I have always wanted to be a whore AND a housewife.  Maybe I can set up an outcall service, Anon....yeah....(insert dreamsequence here).....



I would prefer that people like you NOT stand up for the cause, Anon.  Because I dont see resolution in it, just another typical crash and burn."


 :nworthy: One more time...  :nworthy:  

That's righ     tahhh!

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Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 03:55:00 AM
riiiiite, Morli. You LOVED it when Bradpin put Leslie _BLaank_ is a Child Molester on his sig line. Sure, the moderator can edit that right out after you respond teling us all that the slander is okay with you or not okay with you.

Think before you speak.You want a whole thread title devoted to your real name and slander and then have to call the FBI to figure out who it is when there is no proof one way or another that it is coming from a mental institution in KY or Seattle or wherever or do you want to say that you agree that we can have just a little bit of moderation in that at the very least, we can all just say that the vilest slander & personal names can easily be taken down.

A most reasonable suggestion for us all is to take a moment to think to ourselves whether we might want to stand up now to the Moderator when some people are getting together to stand up to the Moderator to have a modicum of moderation and immediately take down the vile slander that still stands on this forum here before the upcoming protests as a sign of our unity in standing up for our fellow survivors, or what.

By disagreeing with me you are saying that it is okay for any kind of lying slander to go up here on any survivor, none of you mind. If you mind if I or anyone else puts up slander on you or anyone else, say so here, or, if you do mind if someone puts up slander on you but you don't mind if they put it up on anyone else who won't say for themselves whether or not they actually, once they give it some thought, want and condone the very idea that it is okay for personal slander to go up on them, say that. Otherwise I or anyone else take you responding here but not saying one way or the other as your tacit agreement for us to put up slander on you.

Sign below.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: CITIBANK on January 20, 2006, 10:16:00 AM
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On 2006-01-19 19:52:00, 001010 wrote:

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On 2006-01-19 11:45:00, Carmel wrote:



"

I have always wanted to be a whore AND a housewife.  Maybe I can set up an outcall service, Anon....yeah....(insert dreamsequence here).....







I would prefer that people like you NOT stand up for the cause, Anon.  Because I dont see resolution in it, just another typical crash and burn."





 :question:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Antigen on January 20, 2006, 02:02:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 00:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

By disagreeing with me you are saying that it is okay for any kind of lying slander to go up here on any survivor, none of you mind.


No, I'm just saying that I'm not your mama. It's not my day to watch you. It's not my job to decide for you what you may read or what you may write or what you must think about it. That's just not my gig.

Just because you do not take an interest in politics, doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.
PERICLES (430 BC)

Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 02:27:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 00:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

A most reasonable suggestion for us all is to take a moment to think to ourselves whether we might want to stand up now to the Moderator when some people are getting together to stand up to the Moderator to have a modicum of moderation and immediately take down the vile slander that still stands on this forum here before the upcoming protests as a sign of our unity in standing up for our fellow survivors, or what.

 ::bangin::  :silly:  Huh what?


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By disagreeing with me you are saying that it is okay for any kind of lying slander to go up here on any survivor, none of you mind. If you mind if I or anyone else puts up slander on you or anyone else, say so here, or, if you do mind if someone puts up slander on you but you don't mind if they put it up on anyone else who won't say for themselves whether or not they actually, once they give it some thought, want and condone the very idea that it is okay for personal slander to go up on them, say that. Otherwise I or anyone else take you responding here but not saying one way or the other as your tacit agreement for us to put up slander on you.



Sign below.


Let me get this straight.  You don't like the nasty shit that's posted about survivors here, you want it taken down, if you don't get what you want you're going to post even more slanderous and vile shit than you already have?

Genius, true genius.  :roll:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on January 20, 2006, 05:49:00 PM
This is supposed to be a guest book for those who were in Dallas Straight. Go argue your petty remarks in another arena!
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: PerfectStraightling on January 20, 2006, 08:18:00 PM
I was just about to say that. This is the fucking dallas thread, go someplace else! I'm  sick of reading these stupid posts. Go take a class on media law or something, I don't care. Ginger doesn't have to do shit except to state what she is or istn' doing here. If you don't like it, leave.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 08:57:00 PM
Although it would be nice if she'd block the IP address of Citibank.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: PerfectStraightling on January 20, 2006, 10:49:00 PM
yeah a lot of things would be nice.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: CITIBANK on January 21, 2006, 12:06:00 AM
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On 2006-01-20 17:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Although it would be nice if she'd block the IP address of Citibank.   "


 :lol: If she blocks me I'll cancel her credit cards. :lol:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 11:47:00 AM
Haha, this is a great thread! I haven't been to this board in a while as franly it disgusts me what goes on here and I think you all know what I am talking aboutl... LOL come on! So Jane Ayers and Jim Horn don't give a shit if Sammie and others are slandered, they won't bother to tell Antigen where to stick it when she keeps saying "I'm not your mommy." Duh! Like anyone said Antigen was like a mother.

Sammie doesn't really have a mother, like a lot of us who are in effect if not in fact orphans since Straight and you all KNOW what I mean, unless you are some of the lucky few or whatever, you KNOW and nobody will bother with taking a hard line stance on Sammie and other Straight survivors getting trashed because they can't imagine stepping past their stupid "Dallas Straight Guest Book", reconnecting with old Straightling friends to better remember the Straight way and reincorporate some of that into their lives again. Like "oh thank god I found you I remember that I remember it too remembered when you got taken down oh I guess I took you down, I guess that girl was a bitch back then, I guess I feel guilty, I guess I wasn't all that bad" but now, here and now, what REALLY counts is how you treat people now, and Jane Ayers and Jim Horn think it really doesn't matter, they didn't even ask "what slander?" so we can presume they know??? what they are talking about when they say to get off the thread, it's a tiresome topic... eetc. Excuse my run on sentences, I took a bunch of drugs last night, so you can safely ignore what I say when I say that if you don't stand up for Sammie who's name is still trashed AND all other Straight survivors whose names are permanently trashed on this message board, then obviously you are still a pathetic Straightling who can't stand up for anyone else. Don't agree with me or anything, trash me and what I am saying, don't think about any of this.

Don't think about the fact that Sammie, like you, was abandoned to Straight by her parent(s) a long time ago, has never had real family to back her up.

Why the hell should you care? Carry on, Carmel Fales Woods in your housewife kingdom there. Enjoy it, really, don't think about the fact that it might affect someone else very differently, the trash that goes up here and the complete lack of human decency and dignity and privacy of personal life and so on.

Really, please do carry on, reminding me that what I always thought about Straightlings is actually and in fact accurate and true. You will ignore all abuse against others, and you will learn to participate in it, because that is what you were trained to do in Straight.

Jane Ayers, the perfect Straightling, with her sidekicks Jim Horn and Carmel Fales Woods. I think you are cruel and I am GLAD that you let us all know on this public internet how cruel and inconsiderate you are, how willing to gang up on someone and not care what someone's point is who actually has a really nice point that seems really to be like this: everyone tell the moderator to take off the personal names and slander that people don't want up on fornits.

Sure, the moderator can edit your names right out of there after you tell us all how much you really actually do care if your name goes up connected to whatever anyone wants to say about you.

Are you a pedophile? A child molester? Who knows? I could say that about you here, too, and no one could take it down but Antigen. What if you really needed it off the internet? What are you going to do? You can't do nothin unless you take a trip to Monessen PA and do to Ginger and Bill Warbis what really ought to have been done to Ginger and Bill Warbis a long time ago, and that is a good old fashioned fist fight. Tire slashing. Warnings like that. Myself I don't have the funds or the time, I don't really care that much except to pay attention to what is happening on this message board because it goes well with my theories on what the experiment of Straight that they practiced on us was really all about.

YOU are a product of that experiment, and if you can't think or love your way out of it, if you have to trash other people or not pay attention to people getting trashed then there you are, a successful product, having achieved one of the possible outcomes of the experiment you were dropped off into by your parents.

Why should I care to post? I happen to think and feel that it is natural and normal to care what happens to other people, to pay attention to my own righteous indignation on the subject and speak about it. Antigen has deleted plenty on this website, and I think I will stick around for a little while and pay attention to the people who are calling, FINALLY, for a change in the way this message board gets run/done, if ONLY for the TINY victory of getting that slander that is up on Sammie off the public internet.

I am so livid and incensed at the thought that you could even think about going to a protest in person with Sammie and look her in the eyes and know that you did nothing but get mad at some anonymous poster who wanted the slander on Sammie and other Straight survivors taken off the internet. Go ahead and tell Sammie the whole subject just really irritated you, you couldn't figure out how to join in any kind of getting together and making the moderator moderate even just a little tiny bit. Too busy, too mean, too rude, too dumb. Sorry, Sammie, people will tell you they care about child abuse and they want it to end, but they really, really don't.

I will in fact enjoy all of the responses to this subject, they are very fascinating wrt your status as products of a government experiment. You stand behind and for abuse and psychological injury. Just because Ginger Warbis can get away with it because of the internet rules doesn't mean Straight was ever good for any of us even though our parents signed us over and cops and judges and school officials all agreed to us being child abused. Our only real hope was each other, back then.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 08:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Haha, this is a great thread! I haven't been to this board in a while
:rofl:

 
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as franly it disgusts me what goes on here and I think you all know what I am talking aboutl...

Nope, we don't.

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they didn't even ask "what slander?"

and that's what's pissing you off so much.  You're trying to drag others to your party, but no one wants to come.

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. Don't agree with me or anything, trash me and what I am saying, don't think about any of this.

OK.


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Really, please do carry on,
OK.


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Are you a pedophile? A child molester? Who knows? I could say that about you here

We know after all the times you done it.

 
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You can't do nothin

Yep, that's right.

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unless you take a trip to Monessen PA and do to Ginger and Bill Warbis what really ought to have been done to Ginger and Bill Warbis a long time ago, and that is a good old fashioned fist fight. Tire slashing. Warnings like that.

Careful now, you might just bite off more than you can chew!

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and I think I will stick around for a little while

Like you ever left.  :roll:

 
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and pay attention to the people who are calling, FINALLY, for a change in the way this message board gets run/done, if ONLY for the TINY victory of getting that slander that is up on Sammie off the public internet.

Have the *cough* YOU *cough* author contact Ginger and ask that it be removed.


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Just because Ginger Warbis can get away with it because of the internet rules doesn't mean Straight was ever good for any of us


No one ever made that inference.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 12:52:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 09:33:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-21 08:47:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Haha, this is a great thread! I haven't been to this board in a while
:nworthy:  :nworthy:  :scared:  :flame:  :tup:  :tup:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: PerfectStraightling on January 21, 2006, 01:19:00 PM
Here's the law:

If Ginger started monitoring this site, and said as much, SHE would then be held legally responsible for every single thing that gets posted on here. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want that responsibility. There have been pages upon pages upon pages going on and on about how Ginger is failing us all, and I am sick of reading about it. That's all.

Besides, being pro-free speech does not equal being pro-abuse. If someone is posting threats, or things that can mess with your life in some way, there are legal recourses. They just don't involve putting Ginger in jail.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Antigen on January 21, 2006, 01:52:00 PM
Ok, sorry to crash the Dallas party. I thought of moving the trolls off to a new thread in the other forum. But, of course, that would just start another whole line of bullshit. Evidently, I'm not allowed to moderate, even in the rare instances when I think I ought to.

Anyway, this caught my eye:
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On 2006-01-20 17:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Although it would be nice if she'd block the IP address of Citibank.   "


Really? Citibank? Why him? And that made me wonder who else I should, according to some, ban and censor from my servers. So, have at it. Please tell me, anyone who cares to comment, who all else I should censor.

Personally, I think I did a far better job of coming to Sammies defense by simply stating (before the obliviating flood of reactionary bullshit) that I was there in Sarasota w/ Sammie. I do believe her. I saw with my own eyes, heard w/ my own ears and smelled with my own nose much of what she says. And the rest, well as outlandish as some people think Sammie's stories are, nothing of it is really outside the realm of possibility for that place and time nor even very unlikely.

I think that's really the nut of our dissagreement. You think I'm just what the Program aspired to turn out? Fuck off, you're the one. See, I'm not afraid of ideas. You are. I have no need to control you or anyone else. You seem quite obsessed w/ controling me, though.

We're not going to ever win this by trying to beat them at their own game, by trying to control others. The only way to win at this game is to resist being controled. That's all. RAMPANT talking out in Group, folks!

...it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..

--Samuel Adams



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Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Antigen on January 21, 2006, 02:10:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 10:19:00, Perfect Straightling wrote:

If someone is posting threats, or things that can mess with your life in some way, there are legal recourses. They just don't involve putting Ginger in jail.


Exactly that. Here's what you do. Go down to your local cop shop, DA or civil division and inquire about the procedure for starting a John Doe complaint. I would imagine that most places already have some sort of standard form for that by now.



...the coercive collectivist State is distinctly uninterested in the cultivation of intelligence and wisdom. This is understandable...for the State has no uses to which persons of intelligence and wisdom can be put.
--Albert Jay Nock.

Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Carmel on January 21, 2006, 03:11:00 PM
Why dont you let Sammie judge me then? Sammie, thoughts?

The bottom line is this....if you or anyone else is opposed to having slanderous or cruel remarks made about them on an internet forum, you or anyone else...should not become members or post to an internet forum.  The rules are spelled out for all who make the choice to post here in the outset.  If those rules do not live up to anyones standards, they are free to refrain from posting or becoming members of this forum.  

The people being slandered here seem to be handling it based on their choice to accept the rules of the forum.  YOU seem to be the only one stuck on digesting the reality of this.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 05:35:00 PM
It's so obvious that the same person who originally started threads like "Let's Do it on sammie" etc is the one who now complains about it ever happening in the first place. Am I stating the obvious? Has this probability occurred to anyone else here?
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: PerfectStraightling on January 21, 2006, 07:01:00 PM
Yes. It was the same person that used to always attack sammie and carmel, then he started calling for ginger to stop his own attacks, while calling everyone pedophiles. This is a bunch of BS.

I know of some other attacks that went on, but probably 90% of this shit has been created and promoted by one person, now maybe two.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: CesareV on January 21, 2006, 07:15:00 PM
:wave:  

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Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 07:16:00 PM
I'd say you've got a pretty good grasp of the situation.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: CesareV on January 21, 2006, 07:17:00 PM
The rest of ya, get back to chopping rock. :smokin:   Clayton Williams is coming for a visit... :skull:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: CesareV on January 21, 2006, 07:26:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 16:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I'd say you've got a pretty good grasp of the situation."


That's cause I'm the FUCKING cheif :exclaim:  :exclaim: Now get back to chopping rock druggy or else :flame:  :flame:  had better stop flirting with the future Mrs. Cheif or I'm gonna BUST YOUR ASS :flame:  :flame:  :flame:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 07:48:00 PM
:roll: we need another dream sequence for the piggy.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 11:25:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 16:01:00, Perfect Straightling wrote:
Yes. It was the same person that used to always attack sammie and carmel, then he started calling for ginger to stop his own attacks, while calling everyone pedophiles. This is a bunch of BS.

I know of some other attacks that went on, but probably 90% of this shit has been created and promoted by one person, now maybe two.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 11:26:00 PM
good band...
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 12:09:00 AM
Thanks, I'll check 'em out.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: linchpin on January 22, 2006, 12:22:00 AM
hmm what ?
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: linchpin on January 22, 2006, 12:26:00 AM
Oh but Kathy David really was a child molestor..and the girl that she helped cop out..Yes Kathy david while on staff..helped a girl cop out..and then had sex with the underage girl back at her apt.
 Said underage girl later ..and a very short time later ...blew her own brains out with a shiny pistol.
 Thats what message was in my sig, its factual and true and isnt slander..
 So your point there is really moot. I think you are too worried about a stupid message board, noone gives a fuck but the same old people about whats posted here, and none of them matter as far as your life is concerned..
 Try to cut your fornits time down to like twice a month....its eating you up.  :scared:

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Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: groovy1634 on January 22, 2006, 10:50:00 AM
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On 2006-01-21 16:26:00, CesareV wrote:

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On 2006-01-21 16:16:00, Anonymous wrote:


"I'd say you've got a pretty good grasp of the situation."




That's cause I'm the FUCKING cheif :exclaim:  :exclaim: Now get back to chopping rock druggy or else :flame:  :flame:  had better stop flirting with the future Mrs. Cheif or I'm gonna BUST YOUR ASS :flame:  :flame:  :flame:
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is it just me or does this police officer seem a little pissed off and wound too tight???it's going to be O.K., dude....

 :rofl:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Antigen on January 22, 2006, 09:04:00 PM
What do ya'll think about Kinky Friedman?

And suffering is not a badge of honor. Experiencing tyranny does not deserve a bow or a kiss. The honor is in removing the stumbling stone. The honor is in the impolite destruction of tyranny through honest, powerful dialogue - not etiquette. Not political correctness.

Maximus

Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: 4Reagan2Youth0 on January 22, 2006, 11:39:00 PM
Who's Kinky Friedman :question:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on January 24, 2006, 03:41:00 PM
Jim Horn 89
Carmel Woods (Fales) Mar '90~Nov '90.
Lisa Hartman mar 1991~june 1991
Jane A. 1989
Shanna Reynolds Dec 1987~?
Lesle Porter Aug 1989~Jan 1991
Timmy Kemp April 6,1987~Jan 20,1989
delaney clark 3-87 - 11-88
Brad Beshears 4-2-1988 ~ 12-25-1988
Kelly Clark (now Grzyb) 08/08/88-05/??/89
Mike Sherman 11-89 - 12-90 and then sum
my email is [email protected]

You people are weird, why don't you start your own posting so you can hear yourself talk, and whoever wrote the one page letter to me and Jane - sounds like you have way to much time on your hands. You are the reason peolple stop using the site. This site if for discussions related to the posting topic not to ramble, troll or whatever it is you do. This posting was to see who from Dallas Staight is out there....that's it! Sounds like you need some sort of ADD meds. Stop your bullshit!!
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: CesareV on January 24, 2006, 04:04:00 PM
This site is ran by the CIA and is for me to find druggys to BUST. ::fuckoff::
What's that xxx at the end of your name anyway.  Are you some sort of Porn Junky or something? :lol:  :lol:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Dr Fucktard on January 24, 2006, 04:18:00 PM
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And your one of them Jraypdxxx. What's that xxx at the end of your name anyway. Are you some sort of Porn Junky or something?

Looks that way.. ::hehehmm::
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2006, 09:30:00 PM
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On 2006-01-24 12:41:00, jraypdxxx wrote:

"Jim Horn 89

Carmel Woods (Fales) Mar '90~Nov '90.

Lisa Hartman mar 1991~june 1991

Jane A. 1989

Shanna Reynolds Dec 1987~?

Lesle Porter Aug 1989~Jan 1991

Timmy Kemp April 6,1987~Jan 20,1989

delaney clark 3-87 - 11-88

Brad Beshears 4-2-1988 ~ 12-25-1988

Kelly Clark (now Grzyb) 08/08/88-05/??/89

Mike Sherman 11-89 - 12-90 and then sum

my email is [email protected]



You people are weird, why don't you start your own posting so you can hear yourself talk, and whoever wrote the one page letter to me and Jane - sounds like you have way to much time on your hands. You are the reason peolple stop using the site. This site if for discussions related to the posting topic not to ramble, troll or whatever it is you do. This posting was to see who from Dallas Staight is out there....that's it! Sounds like you need some sort of ADD meds. Stop your bullshit!!"


I should stop my posting against your trolling and against Sammie and other survivors's personal lives and names being trashed here for no good reason other than Ginger likes it there whereas she doesn't like banana jokes but she does like threads devoted to killing niggers?
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2006, 09:52:00 PM
nit-picker.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2006, 10:02:00 PM
Did you play a lot of headgames in the program?
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on January 25, 2006, 04:20:00 PM
If that's really you Caesar V. then you would remember me. You and your hosthome hog-tied my hands to gether, my feet together and then connected all four together. Do you remember that? All beacause I wouldn't reply to your stupid command!
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on January 25, 2006, 04:21:00 PM
If that's really you Caesar V. then you would remember me. You and your hosthome hog-tied my hands to gether, my feet together and then connected all four together. Do you remember that? All beacause I wouldn't reply to your stupid command!
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: 001010 on January 25, 2006, 04:28:00 PM
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On 2006-01-25 13:20:00, jraypdxxx wrote:

"If that's really you Caesar V. then you would remember me. You and your hosthome hog-tied my hands to gether, my feet together and then connected all four together. Do you remember that? All beacause I wouldn't reply to your stupid command! "


Caesar V. hog-tied you? Who else was involved in that? That's horrible! Did you know he's the chief of police somewhere now? Where is he the chief of police?

Anyone?

Also, I don't think that is the real guy, I think he's a troll.

Everybody's lost just waiting to be found. Everyone's a thought just waiting to fade.
-- Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins

Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2006, 04:33:00 PM
Ceasar Venegoni (sp?) last time I did a google search I found he was a police officer in some town in Texas. You will need the correct spelling of his name.

I am also curious about the hog tie incident.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
i think it is in Saline, tx.

he is more than likely guilty of hog tying or worse...that's ok he got punched square in the face in group by a 12 year old kid when he was on staff...
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on January 25, 2006, 08:33:00 PM
The hog-tie happened with Caesar, Brian Mcmillan and Burke Jackson. Fuckers.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: 001010 on January 25, 2006, 08:36:00 PM
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On 2006-01-25 17:33:00, jraypdxxx wrote:

"The hog-tie happened with Caesar, Brian Mcmillan and Burke Jackson. Fuckers. "


Was it suggested by staff? Who's idea was it?

This I believe: That the free, exploring mind of the individual human is the most valuable thing in the world. And this I would fight for: The freedom of the mind to take any direction it wishes, undirected. And this I must fight against: Any idea, religion, or government which limits or destroys the individual.
--John Steinbeck, American novelist

Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Carmel on January 26, 2006, 09:01:00 AM
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On 2006-01-25 17:36:00, 001010 wrote:

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On 2006-01-25 17:33:00, jraypdxxx wrote:


"The hog-tie happened with Caesar, Brian Mcmillan and Burke Jackson. Fuckers. "




Was it suggested by staff? Who's idea was it?

This I believe: That the free, exploring mind of the individual human is the most valuable thing in the world. And this I would fight for: The freedom of the mind to take any direction it wishes, undirected. And this I must fight against: Any idea, religion, or government which limits or destroys the individual.
--John Steinbeck, American novelist


"


You know, its questions like this that really freak my mind sometimes.  Im not being negative to you 0010, just trying to find out if any one understands.....

When I stop to think about things like, who did what and why or when or whose idea it was.....its like my mind rejects those questions.  They dont belong.  They dont belong, because in the program we didnt ask, we didnt even entertain the idea of such questions.  It was just accepted.  So and so just got bodyslammed for looking at the guys side, period.  There was no why or who.  It just was.  Of course, now I know better, however when I read stuff like this and I try to process a response....I can hear the cogs jamming in my brain about it.  Like, how could anyone KNOW whos idea it was?  It seemed there were no "ideas", only absolutes...no matter how sinister or wrong they were.  Anyway, just something I thought Id throw out...anyone get this too?

PS, Brian McMillan....I always remember his face in my mind but not his name, thanks for the jog.  He was on Jr staff when I went in.  He seemed pretty okay for staff, but I think he had a duality that came out when he was leading raps with people like CV and such.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Carmel on January 26, 2006, 09:04:00 AM
Oh, and while I think its great that we keep this thread as a Guest book, i am not opposed to using as a thread to just discuss Dallas in general.  There are really not that many people here comparitively, to the other programs....so I vote we use it to discuss Dallas issues as well as people.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 11:30:00 AM
You'd like to take a vote? I thought you already voted that it is okay for anyone to say whatever they want?
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: 001010 on January 26, 2006, 12:40:00 PM
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On 2006-01-26 06:01:00, Carmel wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 17:36:00, 001010 wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 17:33:00, jraypdxxx wrote:
"The hog-tie happened with Caesar, Brian Mcmillan and Burke Jackson. Fuckers. "
Was it suggested by staff? Who's idea was it?

This I believe: That the free, exploring mind of the individual human is the most valuable thing in the world. And this I would fight for: The freedom of the mind to take any direction it wishes, undirected. And this I must fight against: Any idea, religion, or government which limits or destroys the individual.
--John Steinbeck, American novelist


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You know, its questions like this that really freak my mind sometimes.  Im not being negative to you 0010, just trying to find out if any one understands.....

When I stop to think about things like, who did what and why or when or whose idea it was.....its like my mind rejects those questions.  They dont belong.  They dont belong, because in the program we didnt ask, we didnt even entertain the idea of such questions.  It was just accepted.  So and so just got bodyslammed for looking at the guys side, period.  There was no why or who.  It just was.  Of course, now I know better, however when I read stuff like this and I try to process a response....I can hear the cogs jamming in my brain about it.  Like, how could anyone KNOW whos idea it was?  It seemed there were no "ideas", only absolutes...no matter how sinister or wrong they were.  Anyway, just something I thought Id throw out...anyone get this too?



PS, Brian McMillan....I always remember his face in my mind but not his name, thanks for the jog.  He was on Jr staff when I went in.  He seemed pretty okay for staff, but I think he had a duality that came out when he was leading raps with people like CV and such."


I totally get you. But the first thing that comes to my mind when I hear the words "hog-tied" is Randall Hinton. If this Caesar Venegoni (chief of police?) character is anything like Randall, he's a good 'old boy with the attitude of, "Any means of force necessary." He thinks he doing his part and his job, and that if that kid didn't get away he succeeded. I was mainly asking that question for journalistic purposes. You know like, where did that idea originate from? Or was it, as you suggested Carmel, an instinct that places like Straight, Inc. bring out in people? You know, like in the book, ?Lord of the Flies.? There have been studies showing the results of Positive Peer Culture (PPC) bringing this instinct out in kids who are given authority and control over their peers in an isolated setting. The chain of command unfolds and usually the most sadistic rise to the top first.

I really agree that this should remain an open discussion thread on The Dallas Straights. I had already left Dallas by this time, but that doesn't make any of it less important to me.

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Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: CesareV on January 26, 2006, 12:42:00 PM
[email protected]  feel free to write me jraypdxxx. :flame:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Carmel on January 26, 2006, 01:05:00 PM
It is, Anon.

But unlike you, some of us around here havent FULLY dispensed with common courtesy.  Id like to think with all of your prolific ranting that you are a bit smarter than that, Anon.  Someone like you should understand my meaning and intent behind the comment.  Unless of course, you find it more appealing to just say some shit like that in order to aggravate or get a rise out of someone.  Ninny ninny boo boo works too, Anon....give it a try.  At least people will take YOUR posts for what they are intended if you said it like that.

Let me guess. Im a pedophile, a straightling, a whore, a smelly snatch, I enjoy slander and the abuse of children, I am on Semblers payroll and suck his junk regulary, I support other smelly snatches who lie and cheat and steal and bring the loot all back to the smelly snatch club where we dance around the pile and give sacrifice to the gods of the blue chair......did I leave anything out?  Hopefully not, because if I did you might have more to post on this thread.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: dragonfly on January 26, 2006, 01:58:00 PM
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 02:22:00 PM
Exactly. We can either give Ginger this false power to let abuse and slander keep on happening on fornits, or we can all say we are through with it. We decide.

Carmel, if for a moment you could please consider the possibility that the person you think is making these posts is not actually the person making these points, we might have a better chance at getting somewhere in this discussion.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 02:27:00 PM
RIght, precisely. Even if senior or exec staff didn't order or approve of hog-tying, there was no restriction on it. It happened because there were no restrictions on it, it was an institution governed only by "anything goes".
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: 001010 on January 26, 2006, 03:01:00 PM
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On 2006-01-26 10:05:00, Carmel wrote:

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Let me guess. Im a pedophile, a straightling, a whore, a smelly snatch, I enjoy slander and the abuse of children, I am on Semblers payroll and suck his junk regulary, I support other smelly snatches who lie and cheat and steal and bring the loot all back to the smelly snatch club where we dance around the pile and give sacrifice to the gods of the blue chair......did I leave anything out?  Hopefully not, because if I did you might have more to post on this thread."


lol... :grin:
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Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: taureana on January 26, 2006, 04:40:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 21:26:00, linchpin wrote:

"Oh but Kathy David really was a child molestor..and the girl that she helped cop out..Yes Kathy david while on staff..helped a girl cop out..and then had sex with the underage girl back at her apt.

 Said underage girl later ..and a very short time later ...blew her own brains out with a shiny pistol.

 Thats what message was in my sig, its factual and true and isnt slander..

 So your point there is really moot. I think you are too worried about a stupid message board, noone gives a fuck but the same old people about whats posted here, and none of them matter as far as your life is concerned..

 Try to cut your fornits time down to like twice a month....its eating you up.  :scared:



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I can vouch for the whole cop out thing.  I visited Allison shortly after my copout and she had Kathy David's class ring.  I also talked to Kathy a short time after that and she stated that Allison had stolen her class ring.  There was also a guy involved, a commencee still in aftercare, he helped Allison change her identity after she copped out and his sister helped.  Apparently they had dyed her hair black and gotten her a fake I.D. and everything.

As to whether there was a sexual relationship between the two, I cannot say.  I kept in contact with Kathy for awhile after Straight.  She never mentioned anything about that.  And even though she tormented poor linchpin while he was there, she was always very cool to me and I considered her to be one of the better people there.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: jraypdxxx on January 26, 2006, 09:02:00 PM
Thanks for all the support with me bringing out the hog-tie thing. It's funny how anger can just bubbble to the surface so fast that you sometimes don't realize what your sharing with others .....the fingers just go crazy and type really fast. Anyway............I don't eally care to talk with you Caesar - I don't believe that's really you anyway. You we're a dick in Straight, but it was a much more passive-aggresive dick, than what your posing here. I question you. If it is you , e-mail me with and attach a picture of that starange looking mug of yours. my e-mail is in the profile. Fucker!
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Carmel on January 27, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
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On 2006-01-26 11:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Exactly. We can either give Ginger this false power to let abuse and slander keep on happening on fornits, or we can all say we are through with it. We decide.



Carmel, if for a moment you could please consider the possibility that the person you think is making these posts is not actually the person making these points, we might have a better chance at getting somewhere in this discussion."


I dont THINK that the person making THESE posts, whatever posts you are talking about, is anyone.  Anon is Anon is Anon in my eyes.  If you want to take responsibility for what you say, which I would think would be a priority to you, given your rabid denunciation of others who dont....then get a username and stick to it.  Otherwise you or they, just fall into the ANON category, like all the others.  

And PS, if I am giving Ginger "false power" over anything...then I am not really giving her anything at all, am I.  Not to mention "we decide" includes all of us, Anon.  Even those of us who DO NOT agree with you, thats all part of WE.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Fire Swamp on January 27, 2006, 09:32:00 AM
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I dont THINK that the person making THESE posts, whatever posts you are talking about, is anyone. Anon is Anon is Anon in my eyes. If you want to take responsibility for what you say, which I would think would be a priority to you, given your rabid denunciation of others who dont....then get a username and stick to it. Otherwise you or they, just fall into the ANON category, like all the others.

Indeed! Get a bloody username!!!  :flame:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2006, 10:31:00 AM
Your opinion is interesting to me, Carmel. As is yours, Lord Obnoxio.
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Carmel on January 27, 2006, 01:09:00 PM
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On 2006-01-27 07:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Your opinion is interesting to me, Carmel. As is yours, Lord Obnoxio."


Well I feel better already.  :roll:
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Anonymous on January 30, 2006, 07:32:00 PM
Just to clear one thing up that is said repeatedly here, Slander is verbal, when it is a statement in print it is called Libel. For those of you who are tired of the preaching, consider this. People who preach are in a constant need of emotional validation. Why can't we come together on this, we all went through this together.................
Title: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: NAILBOMB on April 21, 2007, 01:38:27 AM
Bumpppp
Title: Re: Dallas Straight Guest Book
Post by: Tampa survivor on July 16, 2013, 12:23:57 AM
Quote from: "Carmel"
Oh, and while I think its great that we keep this thread as a Guest book, i am not opposed to using as a thread to just discuss Dallas in general.  There are really not that many people here comparitively, to the other programs....so I vote we use it to discuss Dallas issues as well as people.
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