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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 04, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
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We are being lied to
http://911busters.com/911_new_video_pro ... tions.html (http://911busters.com/911_new_video_productions/MOV/Painful_Deceptions.html)
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After 14 views no one has one word to say??
Are you dumb founded?
I am
What the hell is going on?
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If this is true then what do we do?
What is the point of all of this?
To what ends, determine the goal?
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... 27842.html (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html)
debunking some of the stupid sensationalistic claims made in that conspiracy laden trash of a video.
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EXAMPLE...
Puffs Of Dust
CLAIM: As each tower collapsed, clearly visible puffs of dust and debris were ejected from the sides of the buildings. An advertisement in The New York Times for the book Painful Questions: An Analysis Of The September 11th Attack made this claim: "The concrete clouds shooting out of the buildings are not possible from a mere collapse. They do occur from explosions." Numerous conspiracy theorists cite Van Romero, an explosives expert and vice president of the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, who was quoted on 9/11 by the Albuquerque Journal as saying "there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse." The article continues, "Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures."
FACT: Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.
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Pure garbage.
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What happend to WTC building #7
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Attack the evidence if you can.
Steel buildings do not fall at free fall velocity from a fire?
It has never happened period!
What about WTC 7??
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Evidence? Do you just believe every conspiracy nut that has enough money or gumption to publish some crap on the internet?
Here is your genius that prepared the video...watch and laugh.
http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/topics.do?topic=ct (http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/topics.do?topic=ct)
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On 2005-08-04 18:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What happend to WTC building #7"
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... page=5&c=y (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=5&c=y)
well, don't believe the strutural engineers hired to review the evidence, just believe this lunatic little geek. The whole thing is an insult to every person dead, the courageous crew and passengers of United Airlines Flight 93 and American Airlines Flight 77 and every surviving member of a family who lost a loved one in this and other terrorist attacks on this country.
Fucking A.
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For all the noonies on fornits.com, read happily.
The Fornits Way - By Jack Tripper.
Hey! Hey!
It's the Fornits Way!
Talk alot of shit but have little to say!
Make big plans but have little to do!
We're all fucked up so we don't follow through!
Hey!
Hey?
It's the Fornits Way?
Yeah, we sleep all night and we work all day.
Come home later and like to play
Talk alot of shit but have little to say!
No Way! No way!
It's the Fornits Way!
Chat about garbage then be on our way,
insult one another but don't want to pay
for the lies and the crap that make us prey.
To what you might add, not for me to say...
Cos, guess what.
It's the fornits way.
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thanks for the weird little poem animals. My you are creative these days.
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petty tortures are my specialty, and thank you for noticing my creativity, animals.
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who sleeps all night and works all day? not me! :lol:
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Ok Greg what happened to building 7?
How did it colapse?
Also Popular Mechanics has been disproven.
There has never been a steel framed building colapse because of a fire.
Why was there molten steel in the basements 5 days after the cloapse if the fires were on the tops of the buildings?
Jet fuel does not burn at a high enough temperature to melt steel, you need 2500 degrees for that.
Most of the jet fuel was consumed on the inital impact as witnessed in the huge fireball.
Where is the plane wreckage from the Pentagon.
Why did flight 77 disapear from radar for over an hour?
Where is the plane?
Why are there not pictures?
Don't they have cctv?
These are just questions. I don't know what to believe. I just wanted to show it to you, and see what you think.
Take Care,
Chris
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Or maybe it did really happen?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911 ... dence.html (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html)
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On 2005-08-04 19:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"For all the noonies on fornits.com, read happily.
The Fornits Way - By Jack Tripper.
Hey! Hey!
It's the Fornits Way!
Talk alot of shit but have little to say!
Make big plans but have little to do!
We're all fucked up so we don't follow through!
Hey!
Hey?
It's the Fornits Way?
Yeah, we sleep all night and we work all day.
Come home later and like to play
Talk alot of shit but have little to say!
No Way! No way!
It's the Fornits Way!
Chat about garbage then be on our way,
insult one another but don't want to pay
for the lies and the crap that make us prey.
To what you might add, not for me to say...
Cos, guess what.
It's the fornits way.
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Now THAT is a HOOT! Ain't it the truth! Good one.
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love this stuff Chris..I just don't believe any of it. Thanks for posting it!!!!
gregfl
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Just having bit of fun.
It's hard to believe anything anymore. Some images that we see we believe, but other images we reject.
We are an image driven society. That's why I was posting in another thread about a need for creative imagery to tell our Straight story to the public. Not really sure what that would be but am working on it.
In regard to the 911 stories, the one topic that that grabs my attention is WTC 7? What the heck happened to that building? It was not hit by a plane. But is was leveled at free fall velocity. The 911 commission report states that the reason for the collapse is still unknown.
Take care!
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stated is the correct term.
the 911 commission report is over and done with. Experts continue to sift the evidence and pretty much know what happened to buiding # 7, in spite of what the internet conspiracy sites want you to believe.
gregfl
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"Jet fuel does not burn at a high enough temperature to melt steel, you need 2500 degrees for that."
::smokingun::
The CIA was cooking Meth in the giant super lab in the basement of The World Trade Center NYC style.
That's what caused the "big bang." after the planes caused a chemical disruption. :lol:
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Ok then what happend to #7?
The are pictures of small fires on a few floors but no broken glass.
So how do you explain why this building collapsed?
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good post Reagan Youth!
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On 2005-08-05 13:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ok then what happend to #7?
The are pictures of small fires on a few floors but no broken glass.
So how do you explain why this building collapsed?
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again.....
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... page=5&c=y (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=5&c=y)
Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.
NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.
According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."
There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.
Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."
WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.
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http://reopen911.org/video/cte_07.mov (http://reopen911.org/video/cte_07.mov)
it takes a bit to load.......
Regarding the article you posted, A Steel structure building can't pancake like that in the first place. And even if it did you would see each layer.
What can't be explained is how the entire building was pulverized. There has been no explanation as to the dynamics that created this force.
Also there are many bomb experts, as well as, engineers saying it was blown up.
Where's all the desks, computers, steel?
Everything has been exploded. Just look at view of the site from above.
But who knows? I don't but am curious about it.
Take care,
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It can't happen?
so you say....but That assertion isn't suportted by the multutude of Structural engineers sent to inspect the data.
But nevermind, that little bald internet dude says otherwise..so it must be true!
Again, I think the entire conspiracy 911 movement is an insult to all those that died in the towers and airplanes that crashed. It is a real insult to real american heros, heros like Mr. Burnett, age 38, who called his wife on his cellphone from the airplane prior to storming the hijackers and said he and other members of flight 38 were prepared to stop the hijackers, and who likely caused the crash of the plane...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... 3.htm#more (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/17/flight193.htm#more)
http://www.detnews.com/2001/nation/0109 ... 297213.htm (http://www.detnews.com/2001/nation/0109/18/a05-297213.htm)
"Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz credits the men on the jet. "I think it was the heroism of the passengers on board that brought it down," he said. The families of Flight 93's victims, as well as the nation as a whole, have no doubt they are heroes. Strangers thrown into a no-win situation, they rose to the task, made the supreme sacrifice and saved who knows how many other lives in the process. I think it shows that one person can make a difference, that one person in this country has the opportunity to change this world," says Lyz Glick."
But then I guess thier kids, wives, sisters, brothers, and mothers and fathers are all part of this conspiracy as well.
sigh......
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I'm just trying to make heads or tails of it.
I believe it's an insult to the victims if "WE DON'T ASK QUESTIONS"
Some things here just don't add up.
Did you watch the video?
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but according to the video, they were REMOTE CONTROLLED AIRPLANES AND MISSLES.
In other words, the victims on the airplanes never existed and their families are lying!
Dont you get it? This is like going to a car wreck and saying it never happened while the bodies are still bleeding out.
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btw, reopen 911 video WILL NOT load.
Sorry.
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never mind..."reopen 911" is just a rehash of the idiot that made "painfull questions" and was laughed off the penn and teller show.
yawn....
gregfl
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On 2005-08-05 17:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It can't happen?
so you say....but That assertion isn't suportted by the multutude of Structural engineers sent to inspect the data.
What multutude do you speak of?
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a group of 2 dozen muslim extremists changed the course of world history. with only a couple flying lessons, somehow they expertly flew the planes into precisely their targets. ask a pilot how difficult the manuevers over the pentagon were. nearly impossible for a pilot who's never flown a real jumbo jet before.
flight 93? if the american hero story were true, don't you think they would have released the audio by now? I believe that story like I believe the jessica lynch story.
somehow they found out who did it in what, a few hours after the planes struck? how convenient all their passpotrs survived the crash and landed safely for the FBI to locate. But they couldn't find the flight data and voice recorders? yeah sure.
bin ladin and his chronies is a conspiracy theory too, and just as crazy as any of the other ones posted here. what evidence did they give us? a crummy old video tape and 'take our word for it' the arabs hate you for your freedom?
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my conspiracy theory; 9/11 was a coup d'etat planned by the mossad to bring america into the middle east to kill their enemies for them.
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http://reopen911.org/video/cte_04.mov (http://reopen911.org/video/cte_04.mov)
The other one should have loaded.
I'm just posting stuff for us to look at.
There are still many questions.
vsp
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here, read some real investigative reporting and put down the tabloids...
http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_jun ... endixl.pdf (http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf)
Now, I understand this is "dry" reading and not nearly as fun as eating popcorn and imagining and all sorts of conspiracies based on loose reporting, factual ommission, presuppostions, non expert analysis and a propensity to believe in super duper situational stuff before the more likely scenarios (like a religious middle eastern terrorist group easily identified that took credit for the attacks and declared holy war on our country) but hey, it is good reading nevertheless!
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never mind chris, I can't load from that link either, but I went to the home page and loaded and viewed the videos.
I place them squarely in the same arena as Nellie, supernatural bigfoot, a alien base in the center of the earth, and noahs ark and the shroud of tourin.
This one just gripes my ass because of the real americans that died, and then we have people claiming it was Guided missles and remote controlled airplanes with no evidence other than suppossition. If I was a family member no telling the reaction I would have, but it wouldn't be pretty.
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Your probably more right in that than you suspect.
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So your saying those people are lying?
Big Foot? Common, these are real questions based on evidence.
Why?
Still no explaination for wtc 7
And again I only post this for discussion. I don't know and that's the point.
Take Care,
vsp
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the videos are very long and take 15 minutes on a dsl line.
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Still no explaination for wtc 7
vsp"
no possible way you gave that report in this amount of time any consideration in the five minutes that passed between my post and your "still no evidence for wtc 7" comment. There is HARD evidence for a collapse.
You my friend are predesposed to believe in this type of thing and dismiss the hard evidence to the contrary. I have witnessed this in discussions about aliens and other topics and I am sure you have made observations about me as well..
It takes all kinds...and I am priviledged to know people like you!. Serious...I come in on the skeptical side of a question, and you believe until convinced otherwise. It is just a outline of the difference between you and me.
vive la difference!
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Your post was very interesting but is in contrast to many other views. A steel frame building can't fall like that. Not from a fire. It won't implode.
Great read but I don't buy it.
Where is there testimony of a steel frame building falling from a fire? Before 911?
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and where is the comparison to two adjacent buildings being destroyed and collapsing, causing irreperable damage to an adjacent bulding? This situation is kind of unique Chris...
Your mistake is to keep repeating the conspiracy theory mantram..that fire cannot destroy a steel building. Two huge buildings fell next to it in an uncontrolled fall, releasing millions of tons of debri and damaging not only the building but the foundation as well. The fire did not cause the collapse but only was a contributing factor.
Stop making statements like that. Neither of us is a structural engineer. These building are very complicated and can and do fail. If you are to believe anyone, read the reports of actual engineers on how and why the building collapsed or could have collapsed and stop automatically believing the conspiracies.
Your brain will thank you.
:grin:
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Again show me a steel frame builing in history falling like that?
And with the same destruction of it's contents?
I don't think you can.
But who knows with you,
You do come up with some good ones.
Cheers
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this one burned 20 hours + at temps much higher than the WTC fire ... no collapse. weird huh?
(http://http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/spain_fire14.jpg)
(http://http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/spain_fire22a.jpg)
(http://http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/spain_fire6.jpg)
(http://http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/spain_fire17.jpg)
(http://http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/spain_fire11.jpg)
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no, two major skyscrapers did not fall and damage it prior to the fire. again you recite the conspiracy theory mantra of "fire" without considering the impact of the other damage, caused by extreme impact and jet fuel burning at 1500 degrees farenheigh, causing millions of tons of debree to fall and damage the building (7) that subsequently collapsed.
Read the engineering reports I linked you to.
greg
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maybe something here will help...
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=wo ... m=1&sp-s=0 (http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=world+trade+center&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0)
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Great post,
Even though the building you showed was destroyed,
It didn't fall at free fall velocity now did it? The debris was not pulverized either. You can very clearly see the Steel in place 20 hours later.
I'm going to read what you just posted,
The report on wt7 that I read last night said is was the pancake theory.
Have you seen the close ups of the SQUIBS being detonated down the sides of the Tc 1. You can see the tell tail puffs going bang bang bang. What about the firemen video saying they saw these explosions floor by floor?
That is not what is happening in the pictures you posted. Again, I'm just looking into it. I'm not an engineer but am very curious as to why and how it happened.
Take Care,
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Opps, I thought greg posted the pictures of the building fires. Yes it's very odd. 20 hours burning.
Where is the pancake effect here? And if not then why?
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No there was damage on the roof, but how did falling debris make it all the way down to the 8th floor?
Also Guilani had a command post in that building. It had recently had many upgrades to make it stronger including bomb resistant glass.
What about the video and audio of the building owner talking with the fire chief and saying maybe we should go ahead and pull the building. Then they watched it come down a few minutes later.
Lot's of questions, and no easy explainations.
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http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.htm (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.htm)
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On 2005-08-05 18:09:00, GregFL wrote:
This one just gripes my ass because of the real americans that died, and then we have people claiming it was Guided missles and remote controlled airplanes with no evidence other than suppossition. If I was a family member no telling the reaction I would have, but it wouldn't be pretty.
Oh no, the passengers were real enough. Just the pilots seem to have been fictitious.
Greg, can you come up w/ any compelling evidence not authored and funded by the accused? And can you name a government from any place or time in all of history that would not pull something like this? You think our government is just too honest and reliable for something like this? Or do you invest your faith in the individual people currently running our government?
I have to say, I'm really surprised by your position on this. You're usually a pillar of logic and skepticism.
People who are willing to give up freedom for the sake of short term security, deserve neither freedom nor security.
--Benjamin Franklin
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http://www.911dossier.co.uk/momentum.html (http://www.911dossier.co.uk/momentum.html)
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Larry Silverstein, who acquired the lease to operate the World Trade Center in July, is seeking $7.2 billion from insurers for the destruction of the center (twice the amount insurers say he can claim).
Most of the World Trade Center changed hands in a $3.2 billion, 99-year lease deal that was concluded ONLY SEVEN WEEKS before the attack; with a sweetheart tax deal and new insurance covering buildings and rents -payable to new beneficiaries.
Although the complex was not insured against an act of war, NEW POLICIES INSURED AGAINST TERRORIST DAMAGE.
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"Believing that there is nothing wrong with the towers collapsing so quickly, is roughly analogous to believing that people pass through closed doors as quickly as they pass through open doors."
http://thewebfairy.com/nerdcities/WTC/proof.htm (http://thewebfairy.com/nerdcities/WTC/proof.htm)
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/no ... ccount.htm (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/281104anotheraccount.htm)
What happend in the basement 80+ floors below at impact time?
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http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/time ... _9/11=aa77 (http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&day_of_9/11=aa77)
according to these websites, all that is a fantasy and/or a conspiracy and NO PLANE hit the pentagon but instead a missle fired by our own government did it.
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On 2005-08-06 15:56:00, Antigen wrote:
Oh no, the passengers were real enough. Just the pilots seem to have been fictitious.
Greg, can you come up w/ any compelling evidence not authored and funded by the accused? And can you name a government from any place or time in all of history that would not pull something like this? You think our government is just too honest and reliable for something like this? Or do you invest your faith in the individual people currently running our government?
I have to say, I'm really surprised by your position on this. You're usually a pillar of logic and skepticism.
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well, I am very skeptical and logical which has led me to take this position. And in absense of any real evidence except a lunatic fringe internet movement, The most plausible explanation is that the people who took responsiblity for the crime actually did it. That the people at the airport, the passengers, the eyewitnesses, the criminals involved, all of them aren't involved in some giant conspiracy by our governmentto kill our own people for whatever ends.
I do not doubt there are evil people in the government. But this crime against america until some real evidence rolls in (not of the 'Explain this away or Im right' genra of "evidence") to the contrary I am solidy in belief that what occured was done by a bunch of religious fanatics that hate america because we support and prop up a war machine against them, and that because their "holy book" is at odds with our "holy book". Much less has caused much greater pain and suffering thruout history.
All this "a building cannot behave this way or that way" by a bunch of laymen on a chat site is rather comical when almost every structural engineer in the world is at odds with that assertion.
A controlled demolition does not "blow up a building" like asserted in this thread and by that idiotic website by that little moron that thinks the government flew remote controlled planes into the building and a missle into the pentagon. A controlled demolition causes intentional structural damage that causes the steel to fail(not melt like also asserted in this thread is necessary to cause failure) and then the building is taken down by its own weight ie: gravity. That two airpplanes buried in the buildings and then exploded massive amounts of fuel into the buildings and caused a failure that replacates a demolition has been explained away by almost every strutural engineering firm available and their are even special running on tv that detail what occured. But we are told by all these internet "experts" that it couldn't happen. I will take my changes with the real experts until and unless some credible evidence comes along that refutes the real experts.
As far as building 7, the explanationa as outlined in Popular mechanics is the most plausable explanation I have seen yet. That the towers collapsed and damaged the building is a given and that it caused structural damage that caused a failure in the supports makes sense to me as well.
Sorry I can't climb aboard this conspiracy fun and game with you guys.
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We'll let's agree to disagee if you like. But be very careful in labeling the net = junk and CNN = equals truth. That's dangerious. Just attack the science as you are fond of saying. I'm on the same page here.
Just use common sense, how did the WTC building fall in 10 seconds?
Have you ever seen that before?
There was no resistance. That's impossible.
Try running a car through 80+ floors.
Physics don't work like that. That's not a conspircy it's science.
Also the building started collapsing at the roof, way above the impact. The area not effected by fire. What initiated this fall?
It just can't happen like that. It's common sense.
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I don't do that. The evidence strongly sways against the conspiracy theorists in my opinion. CNN and Fox news hold no special place in my heart, trust me.
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On 2005-08-06 18:32:00, Anonymous
It just can't happen like that. It's common sense."
Your a physicist as well as a structural engineer, or are you lifting that off these conspiracy sites as well?
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First and foremost I'm just reading all I can. I don't propose to know, But evidently it's not a few people concerned.
http://digitalstyledesigns.com/movies/J ... .28.04.mov (http://digitalstyledesigns.com/movies/JohnAlbanese11.28.04.mov)
You have to admit there are some anomolies in many areas concerning this 9111 event. And you know who knows the truth? It's the government. Will they or have they released all the information from vidoes, physical evidence and testomony to the public? NO.
Why?
Why the secerecy?
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In other words if your tying to justify the war in Iraq, then why deny the information. If it's provable what they did from the evidence. The evidence suggest culpability. And the only way to settle it is with the evidence.
Where is it all?
China is one of a few countries that recycled it.
Last time I checked when there is a crime scene they usually try to recreate the event to understand all of the dynamics. To prove this and that. Remember flight 800, that they dredged from the bottom of the sea just to prove what happened? Then why the lack of this posture? Why the rush to get rid of it all and why the suppression of data? And don't forget Bush didn't want the 911 commission in the first place. There was a major struggle over that. Why? If you have nothing to hide then what the heck gives?
It's all just very very odd.
Take Care,
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Let's say you and I want to take the floor plans from WTC 1, 2, and 7 to our own independent sources and you and I pay for it. Can we get the blueprints from a destroyed buidings?
No,
Why?
The Secrecy in all of this creates a big flag. Why the resistance to the truth. Why prevent independent investigations?
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On 2005-08-05 18:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"my conspiracy theory; 9/11 was a coup d'etat planned by the mossad to bring america into the middle east to kill their enemies for them."
lol jews did WTC lol
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http://www.erichufschmid.net/senDayton.htm (http://www.erichufschmid.net/senDayton.htm)
Also check out the Pentagon clip on the same page.
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http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/wtc7/ar ... html#5.6.1 (http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/wtc7/archive/fema_403.html#5.6.1)
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http://www.911truthradio.com/ (http://www.911truthradio.com/)
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http://www.amconmag.com/2005_08_01/article3.html (http://www.amconmag.com/2005_08_01/article3.html)
Deep Background
In Washington it is hardly a secret that the same people in and around the administration who brought you Iraq are preparing to do the same for Iran. The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney?s office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing?that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack?but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/au ... keiran.htm (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/020805nukeiran.htm)
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Don't you see it yet? It's in plain sight. We are being lied to.
The WTC -1 And WTC-2 and WTC-7 that collapsed break all the laws of physics.
A Steel Frame building can't fall like that. Let's consider the building is 100 stories high. It collapsed at a rate of 10 floors per second. Just think about that. 10 floors per second. It's impossible. That's the same rate as dropping a rock. It was FREE FALL VELOCITY, that can't happen. What that means is that none of the UN effected floors had any resistance to the fall at all. And furthermore, a solid steel structure in effect did not exist. Where are all the steel spikes sticking up from the wreckage? It doesn't exist. So what explains it all? Hell even if I said hey the pancake theory is correct, that makes no sense at all. Because if you had the building pancake, or 100 stories pancake, then you would see exactly that, 100 individual pancakes, or floors. That's not what we see at all, we see the results from an explosion. Everything was disintegrated, including allot of steel. This makes no sense at all. If the building collapsed in the accepted view it would yield stacked floors, that didn't happen, they were pulverized. Hell, debris reached all the way to Jersey!
But there may be a logical explanation and I'm open to it. I just want the truth. In this day an age it's a long lost trait.
Take Care, All !
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Check out National Geographic!
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside911/ (http://www.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside911/)
Looks like the mainstream media is taking a more active role finally.
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"We'll never forget the day the world changed..."
:roll:
Only a U.S. American could or would say that.
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http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/dec ... ght93.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/flight93.html)
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http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_ ... _ID=131225 (http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles&SubSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=131225)
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washingtonpost.com
Student Arrested After Pilot Uniform Found
The Associated Press
Friday, September 16, 2005; 3:22 PM
MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- A university student from Egypt was ordered held without bond after prosecutors said they found a pilot's uniform, chart of Memphis International Airport and a DVD titled "How an Airline Captain Should Look and Act" in his apartment.
The FBI is investigating whether Mahmoud Maawad, 29, had any connection to terrorists. He is awaiting trial on charges of wire fraud and fraudulent use of a Social Security number.
Maawad, who is in the United States illegally, told the judge during a hearing Thursday that he is studying science and economics at the University of Memphis.
"My school is everything. I stay in this country for seven years; I stay for the school," he said.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Steve Parker said Thursday that the airport-related items were found during a Sept. 9 search.
"The specific facts and circumstances are scary," Parker said.
U.S. Magistrate Judge S. Thomas Anderson ruled that Maawad be held without bond.
"It is hard for the court to understand why he has a large concentration of those (aviation) items, and nothing else to indicate Mr. Maawad plans to stay in the community," Anderson said.
Maawad had ordered $3,000 in aviation materials, including DVDs titled "Ups and Downs of Takeoffs and Landings," "Airplane Talk," "Mental Math for Pilots" and "Mastering GPS Flying," FBI agent Thad Gulczynski testified.
The company reported Maawad to authorities when he didn't pay for $2,500 of merchandise it had delivered, Gulczynski said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 86_pf.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/16/AR2005091601286_pf.html)
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GI16Ak03.html (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GI16Ak03.html)
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None of you, or myself, will EVER know the truth - the truth being all of the factual events that occured to make 9/11 occur. The people of the United States of America have not trusted its government since Watergate, and there will never be trust again as your parents knew it.
You don't trust your government, and you can't trust ANY media b/c they, all of the channels and papers, take money from special interest. For example, Saint Pete Times. Fox news. CNN and all the rest receive high dollar to be wagged like a dog. And, the media, whoever reports, always has a way to portray ANY event as catastrophic or worse than it is or NOT exactly factual like it should. Thats b/c boring news just doesn't sell. And you can't live w/o government and 'they' know it. They say, to an extent, what you watch and when you watch it.
So, whether or not we like the truth does not come before the fact that we like a dammed good drama. It gives us petty fuckers a reason to live. War vs. someone else. This alone creates the most jobs and money and commerce. Race and Divide create contrast, and so give 'meaning' to your pitiful and otherwise meaningless existence. Whether or not alot of people have died in 9/11 or at the War in Iraq remains unimportant so long as Bush can continue to create headlines. When you say 'How dare you slander the hard working Americans and those who died and bla bla blah', these points are made clear.
There aint' much difference in 'Crats n 'Pubs. In the meantime, you can love to hate the New Millenia's Hitler. Bush. Or not. But this mofo will keep using our money to run us. You gotta admire the little piece-o'-shit for being able to do all the punkass things he does. If you were faced with him in a back alley he wouldn't fight fair. If he squared up with you, lil' Bush would get whooped. Nah, that's not his style. He'd probably send a disguised short Jap guy to snap you in pieces. Then it would be all over the news so the lil' fucker could get some glory of how he remembered his training from the Korean War p.o.w. kung fu training that prevailed against you or some shit like that. Yeah, America Will never be the same. Ever, never, ever again. It just changed again dammit. and again. there it goes again.
and again.
there it goes again.
whoops, changed.
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On 2005-09-17 09:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"... and there will never be trust again ..."
You don't trust your government, and you can't trust ANY media b/c they, all of the channels and papers, take money from special interest. For example, Saint Pete Times. Fox news. CNN and all the rest receive high dollar to be wagged like a dog. And, the media, whoever reports, always has a way to portray ANY event as catastrophic or worse than it is or NOT exactly factual like it should. Thats b/c boring news just doesn't sell. And you can't live w/o government and 'they' know it. They say, to an extent, what you watch and when you watch it.
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Str8 is on the outside too. Anyone who went through a program like str8 should realize that they have been exposed in a very direct way to the core values of our so-called "democratic/free" society. Str8 is only a micro-cosm of the macro-society. You and i have seen the beast in its' real form. Fuck all authority.
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define your terms.
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Oh No!! :roll: :lol:
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Great Post
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I have been curious to see what the plan is for the muslims in this war. I came across this and am posting below.
I have a question. Do you think this could come to pass? Also what should we be doing? Can anyone explain how we don't monitor the Mosque? I think this is a mistake that could cost us dealy. We are playing russian roulette with terroism.
Here is the quote,
Hussein lists seven crucial stages. The first, dubbed "the awakening" (of the Muslim world), has already happened: from September 11 to the fall of Baghdad in April 2003. The second stage is dubbed "opening eyes": it involves al-Qaeda blossoming into a movement (it is already an idea), with Iraq as its headquarters; it should last until 2006. The third stage, dubbed "Arising and Standing up", should last until 2010, with a focus on jihad inside Syria, and increased attacks on Turkey, Jordan and Israel. All these stages make sense when confronted with the progression of facts on the ground.
Then it gets fuzzy. The fourth stage lasts until 2013 and it involves the total defeat by al-Qaeda of all Western-supported Arab governments, as well as a series of attacks against the global flow of oil and sophisticated cyber-terrorism designed to debilitate the American economy. The fifth stage is the proclamation of an Islamic caliphate between 2013 and 2016 - as Western interference in the Arab world should be by this time reduced to a minimum. The sixth stage, starting in 2016, will be "total confrontation", with an "Islamic army" fighting infidels all over the world. And the seventh stage, to be completed by 2020, should be nothing less than the triumph of the caliphate.
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The arab countries are the fucking trash pile of the world. An arab army would be destroyed by us in about 10 seconds. Terrorism is the tool of the LOSERS, and isn't effective at bringing political change.. it tends to backfire. As I'm sure all the dead and imprisoned muslims can agree.
The most useful enemies are the one you create yourself.
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Terrorism worked pretty well for the American revolutionaries.
A student burst into his office. "Professor Stigler, I don't believe I deserve this F you've given me." To which Stigler replied, "I agree, but unfortunately it is the lowest grade the University will allow me to award."
--Professor Stigler
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As posted before, there is a chance that the bad guys have bad stuff in the county. So the point would be that serious events are on our door step.
I'm not saying this, but government people are. Bush himself said the this is the single biggest threat to America.
The following is very interesting. What do you think?
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna ... 48,00.html (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,369448,00.html)
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http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna ... 48,00.html (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,369448,00.html)
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for some reason the link doesnt' display correct. You need to highlight the link and past it into the command line.
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On 2005-09-17 14:45:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"Oh No!! :roll: :lol: "
okay so you don't know what your terms really mean. that's what i thought.
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Nevertheless, there is no way the scenario he depicts can be seen as a plan which al-Qaida can follow step by step. The terrorist network just doesn't work like that anymore. The significance of the central leadership has diminished and its direct commands have lost a great deal of importance. The supposed master plan for the years 2000 to 2020 reads in parts more like a group of ideas cobbled together in retrospect, than something planned and presented in advance. And not to mention the terrorist agenda is simply unworkable: the idea that al-Qaida could set up a caliphate in the entire Islamic world is absurd. The 20-year plan is based mainly on religious ideas. It hardly has anything to do with reality -- especially phases four to seven.
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On 2005-09-17 16:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-09-17 14:45:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"Oh No!! :roll: :lol: "
okay so you don't know what your terms really mean. that's what i thought."
i know what they mean. it's you who don't.
And anyway, you jus' like to fuck with me.
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What are you talking about, I'm just posting stuff of interest.
I don't mean to offend anyone. This is just information that I think is important. I care for all of us from Straight. I just am posting to give a heads up.
Take care all,
vsp
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169506,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169506,00.html)
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i ain' 'fended, you've shown me things i didn' see, still i think you like watchin' me bleed. :wink:
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On 2005-09-17 16:18:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"i know what they mean. it's you who don't."
hmmn. the meaning of your microcosm macrocosm write-up could use a little clarification, that's all. it does no good in a conversation to say that you understand what you are saying and the other person doesn't. the words are each look-up-able. but you are using general terms like microcosm and macrocosm. i want to know what you are referring to when you use such words and also the word "society". so, what you could really do that you might even enjoy is getting real high and then giving us a big write-up on the subject. what a reader needs is some specific examples to shed light on the general perspective.
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You really don' know what i mean ?? i find that difficult to believe. The more words i use the greater the risk of misinterpretation. Anyway, you are right, o.K. i'll try to clarify.
Now, WTF did i say ??
Somethin' about ...
Str8 bein' on the outside too = The values of Str8(micro-society, micro-cosm) are the values of the whole western market economy,[(which is a term i've heard others use and don' really know what it means)macro-society, macro-cosm]know what i mean ??
i'm jus' sayin' that anyone who was in str8 has had direct contact with the real values of our society, and ought'n' to be surprised or even fooled for a second by authoritarian fascist megalo-maniacs who are moving to consolidate power now under the guise of freedom and democracy. Ya get me ??
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the more carefully you use words, the less likely they are to be misinterpreted.
i must scold you for postulating upon an admittedly undefined term. but i am going to help you out here:
http://http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing19.html
if you wish, you can use the thought reform tactics Lifton is talking about as a place to start in comparing and contrasting Straight to any other entity. please define your "entities". i look forward to your reply.
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OMG...what ...??
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On 2005-09-17 20:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"the more carefully you use words, the less likely they are to be misinterpreted. "
exactly.
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you are somethin' else. There's not even an emotocon to go with how i feel. i'll read that thread in a bit. Thanx.
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Please have the author define his terms. Already the first sentence is crazy, or is that jus' me... Alright i'm gonna try to read it. i read up on Margaret thaler singers thought reform technique critique when you suggested i read them. i have a book here called "Cults And New Religious Movements" where i found some stuff about Singer. Nothin' i didn' already know.
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You can use as many consonants as anyone else here, pIrate. Don't feel like you have to forego your share or anything, out of low self-esteem or what have you.
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T'anks fo' ya concern, my sponsor says that makin' up as many 'riginal contractions as i can will he'p build my se'f-esteem*. He says if i work at it "one day at a time" that even''ally "i" will be an "I". :smile:
*Disclaimer: "self-esteem" is jus' another brainwash lie.
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get it together, nigga...and don't forget the liberal use of vowels too.
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Let's give these nice people their thread back. :silly:
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Bush?s Uranium Lies: The Case For A Special Prosecutor That Could Lead To Impeachment
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... icleId=622 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=MAN20050702&articleId=622)
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US Used Chemical Weapons in Fallujah Assault
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... icleId=455 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=LOR20050324&articleId=455)
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I'm posting this info to give everyone a heads up.
This first link is a dynamic map of the spread of the disease which is killing 55% of the infected people.
Please note the color explanations at the bottom of the page.
http://www.recombinomics.com/H5N1_Map_2 ... iLAni.html (http://www.recombinomics.com/H5N1_Map_2005_QinghaiLAni.html)
The next link is a list of articles. Please note the number of entries. It's astounding.
http://www.recombinomics.com/whats_new.html (http://www.recombinomics.com/whats_new.html)
A world wide pandemic is on the horizon.
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Who gives a fuck? Let it all come down..........
--Doomsday Refreshment Committee
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When you start to cough and gag, you will care then.
You better have a plan of no human contact and supplies for awhile. A 55% mortality rate is no joking mater. I don't post this to scare you but post it to warn you, my friends from Straight. Just be prepared for the worst but hope for the best. A propoer plan is a good thing. When the World Health Organization says it's coming then head's up don't you think? A Pandemic like the world has never known! These are not my words but rather many scolars as a potential reality soon.
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Government is the most ideal tool for oppressing the masses. No other body or structure has ever served as effectively at physically managing populations than government. The definition of government being: The Administration or management of an organization, body, or institution by use of power and authority. The founding fathers understood the dangers of such an institution at the time of the crafting of the Constitution of these Untied States. They understood this startling fact: That in the story of history it has been governments, not people that have always been the tools of corrupt or power mad individuals to attain their goals. This is where the idea of a limited government came from. To counter balance the danger of having all powerful institutions the framers expressly designed a system that would resist such expressions of power so long as the people of the country actively participated in the maintenance of those safeguards.
When the populace fails to maintain those safeguards as the American people have over the last 5 years the development of an authoritarian regime is inevitable.
The most obvious evidence of this is of course is the reprogramming of our police and military forces from protectors of the peace and the individual to enforcers of law and servants only unto the state. The reason for this simple: as any government becomes more authoritarian it requires ever escalating levels of protection from the group of people it is oppressing; in our case namely the American citizen.
This is evident by the evolution of the millitizeration of our police forces. Look at the police today and explain why they are progressively beginning to look more and more like our military? What is the need for our police to be dressed paramilitary style with cargo pants tucked into black combat boots? Why are our police working in conjunction with the military with increasing regularity receiving more and more equipment, training, even to the point of conducting joint exercises? Why is any of this necessary if violent crime is at a twenty year low? Whys is this necessary when the fundamental jobs of these two forces could not be more different? Essentially the military engages in violent acts to achieve its ends while the goal of policing is to prevent violent acts from ever occurring? How does arming, militarizing, and programming our police forces for violence achieve this goal?
This reality is highlighted by the fact that police refer to themselves as law enforcement officers now instead of as peace officers and refer the people now as civilians instead of as citizens. This is important because in fact by changing the language describing the nature of policing you subtly begin to change the mindset of the participants of policing.
Before I go on let me make it very clear that I am not an anarchist, and I am not anti-police. I am anti-tyranny. I believe that human freedom is the highest ideal given to man by the will of GOD. I believe as our founding fathers did that our government stands to serve and protect those freedoms. I believe that currently that the US population has been whipped into a frenzy of fear and reactionism since September the 11 and that we have forgotten some very fundamental ideas regarding what our country is about in the rush to protect ourselves from perceived threats.
Many pragmatists out there argue that we are in a struggle for survival and that all measures must be maintained to safeguard the population and government. However, Benjamin Franklin said it best: Those that give up freedom for security will receive and deserve neither freedom nor security. He has articulated this reality: security is an illusion, total security can never bee achieved and no amount of security can ever be maintained to make anyone totally safe. The other point of this quote underlines the fact that only the free have any true safety, this is because when you give up freedom you expose yourself to dangers far beyond the power of mere individuals to accomplish, when you relinquish freedom you are at that point exposed to the power of the state with no safeguards and no limit to what it can do to you should it deem it necessary by demand or whim. This goes back to the founding fathers understanding of how governments, not individuals are among the most dangerous threats to man.
The argument of exchanging freedom for security doesn?t make sense because in reality it?s the rush to save our way of life by destroying it. What is productively accomplished by this thinking? In the 20th century time and again from Israel to the British Isle to Russia or China we have seen that no matter what level of security is present in whatever form or police state the dedicated agent will be able to strike. IF we can agree then that no amount of police state tactics can guarantee security en mass then what outcome can a police state serve other than the most evident one of oppressing the citizen?
How can we even call ourselves the land of the free if we have the largest inmate population per capita in the history of the world? More than china, more than nazi Germany, of soviet Russia. Where has that American spirit of give me liberty or give me death gone to? Where has the idea that as a country we would stand for our ideals and beliefs no matter the cost gone to? Where has the land of the free and the home of the brave gone? Have we become so weak and fearful that we can?t see through these falsehoods? Not only is the idea that we can protect ourselves from terror false it is made further irrelevant by the fact that in trying to protect ourselves by creating a police state we do the job of the terrorist for them by destroying ourselves from within. The definition of the United States resides in the freedoms it espouses as its founding documents proclaim. Without those freedoms this country no longer exists.
There is no hiding from the consequences of these facts. There is no denying this logic. History has shown time and again there is only one outcome to the creation of an authoritarian state that answers only to itself. Tyranny by the government, terrorized oppression for the people.
The evidence of the beginning of this abounds every week as new cases are reported across the country of the police terrorizing the citizenry. The murder of Victoria Snelgrove, shot in the eye by a police pepper spray ball after leaving the World Series for no other reason than walking down a public sidewalk exemplifies such brutality. Another case In Evergreen Park, Ill where a pregnant woman was shot in the abdomen with a taser at her wedding reception for protesting her father (a police officer as well) being tasered to the ground outside of the reception because he dared ask the officer why they were still present after his complying with an order to turn down the music at the festivities. These two stories having occurred over the last year are not irregularities but the norm. They represent the systemic problem of our police forces having no regard for the citizens that they are employed to serve and protect. These two instances are an outrage?.the officers involved should be removed from the force and never allowed access to an authority position again. The citizenry must respond to these blatant acts of aggression from law enforcement. It is absolutely un exceptiable for police to behave in this way, and it is suicidally idiotic for the public to no to hold the guilty parties responsible. Make no mistake, these acts of brutality are merely the beginning and will only grow worse as we allow them to.
Who do the police serve? Do they serve the government or do they serve the people? This is a very simple litmus test for what kind of police we have. Are they here to protect the people or are they here to prey on them? Which one do you enjoy the most?
Again I have nothing but respect and admiration for any man or woman willing to risk their life to protect those weaker than themselves. To the good and just men in uniform who gain a real sense of satisfaction from trying to protect the people I say good job. But to the petty thug, the felon, the officer or official who takes enjoyment from controlling or exercising his power over the citizenry, who believes that the people are his slaves rather than he their servant, I spit on such individuals, you are a disgusting aberration, a cancer eating at the heart or justice, and in this world or the next?your day will come.
The law without justice is tyranny, the practice of this is evident because the law has always been the verbiage of corrupt governments in oppressing its people. This is where we have come today, the molding of a system of laws where everyone is a petty criminal being hunted on the whims by hyped up adrenaline jock cops who get off feeling empowered by victimizing citizens while being enforcers of a corrupt parasitical state feeding off of those it now declares helpless against its aggressions.
This is a lie. The people have the power, and no matter what governments may say our rights have been secured by our creator and can not be removed from us. The people have forgotten that they make the laws and the government answer to them, not the reverse.
Our police and military must come to realize that the citizen is not the enemy, that the constitution is the supreme and rightful law of this land, and that any order, writ or proclamation from the smallest civil authority up to the chief executive of this nation are not only null and void if they contradict the founding principles of those documents but are criminal. The idea that the government serves the people and its employees are servants of the people must return to the American way of thinking if we are to retake our governing bodies from the elite controlled corporate fascist nightmare that currently runs them.
This has become a battle for preservation. Make no mistake, if the country reacts with the same apathy and fearfulness that it did after the September 11 attacks. And yes there will be more terror attacks, our government has promised it and our foreign policy assures it. If we react in the same way, increasing the command and control society that is being built all around us everyday via the patriot act 1 and 2 utilizing the most advanced surveillance technology ever. Then the last few shreds of protection against tyranny that we posses will slip away, burned like books on the flames of ignorance. If we do not become involved, if we don?t stand up for our future and the future of our families, and champion truth and freedom then we are lost, and with us the last best chance for the flame of freedom.
You and only you have the power to stop this, but to do so requires active participation, it requires that you put down the remote, stop playing the game and get involved in the ongoing battle for the future. Don?t delude yourself, this reality you?ve know, all these freedoms, and luxuries you?ve taken for granted your entire life are crumbling, being dismantled by the same forces that are going to tell you that they are your savior while they slam the door shut forever on your freedom.
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Its all a piece of shit perped by our ZIONIST OCCUPIED GOVERNMENT so that the U.S. will rid Isreal of its enemies!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The United Nations health agency warned against "scaremongering" over an expected global flu pandemic, a day after one of its officials said it could claim 150 million lives.
Dick Thompson, spokesman for the World Health Organization's (WHO) anti-flu operations, said it is nearly impossible to predict the death toll of a global crisis that experts fear could be fueled by Asia's bird flu outbreak.
People should be wary of any figure they hear, because all are based on "guesswork," he said.
"We can't be dragged into further scaremongering," Thompson told reporters.
His comments came a day after David Nabarro, the newly-appointed UN coordinator for avian and human influenza, said a pandemic could kill "anything between five and 150 million."
That was highest figure cited by a UN official as the world body steps up its campaign to get governments to brace for a pandemic, which experts say is long overdue.
"What David Nabarro was talking about was a range of expert opinions," Thompson said.
"You could pick almost any number -- there's this vast range -- and any of these numbers could be right."
The WHO's official estimate is that 2-7.4 million people could die, said Thompson.
But that is just a guideline figure, he said.
It is provided primarily to help international preparations, such as drug stockpiling and quarantine plans, intended to lessen the impact once a pandemic emerges.
Seasonal epidemics of flu in different regions of the world kill an estimated 250,000 to 500,000 people a year, according to the WHO.
But global pandemics, caused by new variants of the virus, claimed millions of lives in the last century.
Such outbreaks occur roughly every 40 years, and the last was in 1968, when the estimated toll was up to four million, Thompson said.
Fears about the risk of a deadlier and far more infectious type of flu in humans have been growing because of the spread of the H5N1 strain of bird flu in poultry and wildfowl in Asia and parts of the ex-Soviet Union.
The H5N1 variant has been known to scientists for decades as a latent killer within the world's bird populations.
However, it became a global concern when in Hong Kong in 1997 it first mutated into a form lethal to humans, killing six people.
It resurfaced in 2003 in poultry flocks across Asia, and has since caused more than 60 human deaths. Millions of chickens and ducks were culled in efforts to halt the disease's spread.
Although human-to-human transmission has been limited, experts fear that H5N1 could combine with common human flu viruses that spread easily.
Predicting exactly how to fight such a mutant strain is a tall order, Thompson said.
"We won't know until this virus emerges," he said.
"There's no pandemic virus at the moment, so vaccine companies are in a bind" as they try to develop a treatment for a hypothetical strain.
The existing anti-viral drug Tamiflu is seen an effective way of slowing down a pandemic strain when it arises -- provided cases are discovered early and intervention is swift.
The WHO is stockpiling supplies of Tamiflu to help cash-strapped developing countries deal with an outbreak and stop further spread, after a donation from its Swiss manufacturer, Roche.
More than 30 governments have also ordered millions of doses from the pharmaceutical giant.
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RFID: Tracking everything, everywhere
http://www.spychips.com/rfid_overview.html (http://www.spychips.com/rfid_overview.html)
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the way this virus is spreading far and wide is a matter of great concern
i am really very worried when will it become contagious between human beings
the virus can now mutate itself and then can spread to human beings as well
i have read a lot about it at http://www.drugdelivery.ca/bird-flu.aspx (http://www.drugdelivery.ca/bird-flu.aspx)
do check it out