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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: 69 on December 19, 2006, 10:48:33 AM
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Dr fool is a tool in need of some serious bitch slappin. he flew the bumfights guy all the way to his show taping then brought him into the studio ran the promo and then got upset? hes showboating for the crowd, couldnt be more fake if you tried. the bumfights dude knows this will only sell more tapes because he knows deep down people like to see violence... too bad he doesnt have some dr phil fight videos now that id like to see.
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I lost a lot of respect for Phil McGraw over this. I happened to have this episode on while ironing ... and my immediate thought was "You did this for ratings". Air something sensational and then act indignant about it. Please. He doesn't review his guests video clips prior to showing them on nationally syndicated TV? I don't think so.
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What a fucking dick! :rofl:
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I lost a lot of respect for Phil McGraw over this. I happened to have this episode on while ironing ... and my immediate thought was "You did this for ratings".
He does everything for ratings. He's a perfect example of what is wrong with America and this whole culture of self help or newage crap. He's of the same mindset as a lot of program parents and those types are his target audience. They're all sheep looking for someone to give them the answer and he's the guru that makes a shitload of money telling people how they should live their lives. He's a disgusting media whore that feeds off of the vulnerabilities of stupid or blind people.
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Personally i think indecline studios (bumfights) is actually doing a good thing
This page explains a little as to why they are supposedly doing this:
check this page out (http://http://www.pollystaffle.com/shockumentaries/indeclineitsworsethanyouthink.shtml)
a quote from the page:
?I may not change the world, but I guarantee I?ll spark the mind that does?- Tupac Shakur
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I thought Dr. Phil was bullshit from day one. My friend posted in her journal about a thing he was doing with a group of people, and he was asking them "Are you a giver, or a taker?" The blood drained out of my face. I said "What the fuck? That's from fucking Lifespring! He's using Lifespring!"
I go online to discover that he has a five day workshop. Most of the activities are kept secret, but it does talk about the red/green game, another lifespring/CEDU(summit) exercise. Except I believe he called it the red/black game. I'm assuming that the rest of the workshop was pretty much the same script, since LS is also five days, and the summit is 6.
So yeah, he is a total program tool.
By the way Anne, that is an awesome Zappa quote.
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Personally i think indecline studios (bumfights) is actually doing a good thing
This page explains a little as to why they are supposedly doing this:
check this page out (http://http://www.pollystaffle.com/shockumentaries/indeclineitsworsethanyouthink.shtml)
a quote from the page:
?I may not change the world, but I guarantee I?ll spark the mind that does?- Tupac Shakur
Oh please Psy. if anyone really wanted to raise awareness of the plight of the homesless you could document how they got to be living rough. This argument is a cop out for cheap exploitation.
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Personally i think indecline studios (bumfights) is actually doing a good thing
This page explains a little as to why they are supposedly doing this:
check this page out (http://http://www.pollystaffle.com/shockumentaries/indeclineitsworsethanyouthink.shtml)
a quote from the page:
?I may not change the world, but I guarantee I?ll spark the mind that does?- Tupac Shakur
Oh please Psy. if anyone really wanted to raise awareness of the plight of the homesless you could document how they got to be living rough. This argument is a cop out for cheap exploitation.
Perhapt they are exploiting them. I'm not arguing they're not. I'm just saying it might raise awareness of how some people actually have to live. This is what happens on the mean streets. Would it make some feel sorry for the homeless? i'm guessing yes. Whether or not that was their intent isn't the point.
Also. that particular review was nor for bumfights, but one of their other videos. take a look at the trailer.
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All the more reason why it is morally reprihensible to do this. it is like a grown 40 year old man having sex with a 13 year old crack whore and saying well she was going to do it anyway.
No social good can come of this because what it highlights is the idea that these people are less human than the rest of us. Dr phil should be shot for showing this and pretending he is against it. Perhaps I am rethinking my ideas on gun control-Go figure
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Perhaps I am rethinking my ideas on gun control-Go figure
U been talkin to TSW? :lol:
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I think I am just becoming more right wing in my old age! ::bwahaha2::
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a quote from the page:
?I may not change the world, but I guarantee I?ll spark the mind that does?- Tupac Shakur
Holy crap! That should be the motto for FWWF. I'll post it at the top of the page so I can just point to it next time somebody tries to talk me into turning Fornits into whatever they think it is or should be or whatever.
But this conversation right here? This is like twilight zone stuff! Of course Dr. Fool is a program tool. I'm not surprised somebody finally nailed the precise pedigree of his particular line of bullshit. I just don't care, particularly, what that precise pedigree is. Also don't care where Oprah got her script nor Maurry his or Sally Jesse Raphael in her day. Hell, I gave up on tv about a year ago, tried to watch some the other day and STILL couldn't find a single genuine original thought there, so I guess I'm not missing much.
Of COURSE he knew and his producers knew what the whole thing was about before they invited the dude on as a guest. And of COURSE the guest knew what the Dr. Fool show is all about. And of COURSE the audience knows all of that if they retain the capability to step outside of their voluntarily (I think, thought, hope, hoped, aw hell!) suspended disbeliefe and think about it for about a half a second. But, evidently, people don't do that anymore.
Gimme some truth, now, who's side are we on?
Whatever you say
Turn on the boob tube
I'm in the mood to obey
So lead me astray
And BTW, where'd all the good people go?
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See? This is precisely why I refuse to go on a talk show, for ANYTHING. I heard that Oprah did at one point have a show about TBS survivors, (someone mentioned it here) which I found ridiculous, because didn't she advocate sending people there years before?
Regardless, my point is, doing one of those things, especially thinking you are going to be heard, is ridiculous. And watching them is even more pointless.
I have a friend who is addicted to oprah. I don't understand what the attraction is. I fucking hate daytime TV. I spend my time rotting my brain watching crappily animated garbage on Adult Swim.
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I was wondering. How popular are Oprah and Dr Phil in your part of the world? Surely a large # of Americans are cut out of the audience because they are at the office during the day. or are they on during the night in the US?
They are reasonably watched here. Especailly by the kind of people who go to Anthony Robbins seminars and who read self help books.
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I was wondering. How popular are Oprah and Dr Phil in your part of the world? Surely a large # of Americans are cut out of the audience because they are at the office during the day. or are they on during the night in the US?
They are reasonably watched here. Especailly by the kind of people who go to Anthony Robbins seminars and who read self help books.
You wouldn't believe how many people have free time during the day over here. I'm amazed that anyone in San Francisco works. When I'm not in class and have a day off, I see people in cafes and hanging out and doing whatever. I'm like "Damn, doesn't anyone need to cover their cost of living?"
Although I believe that Dr. Phil is on in primetime. Not too sure about that, though.
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My pity for the homeless ran out when I moved here. Homeless people from other states actually travel to be homeless here. You kind of lose your compassion after you have to clean up massive amounts of junkie shit out of your doorway. (Especially when the tweakers upstairs were so fucked up they actually stepped in it and tracked it inside.) And you get asked for money every five steps.
Fucking tweakers. Fucking junkies. Fucking people.
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Actually if you look at the demographics of the homeless, the overwhelming majority of them have some form of mental illness. The problem of homelessness is a very serious one ... and before you get too angry at the individuals you may want to take a look at our piss poor social system. I just finished reading a book called "Rachael and Her Children". Written by a sociologist, it is a case study of the fastest growing population among the homeless... single moms and their kids. It really is a sad commentary on the way we take take of our marginal populations. Next time you have to step over their "junkie shit", you might try to hear their stories.
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Actually if you look at the demographics of the homeless, the overwhelming majority of them have some form of mental illness. The problem of homelessness is a very serious one ... and before you get too angry at the individuals you may want to take a look at our piss poor social system. I just finished reading a book called "Rachael and Her Children". Written by a sociologist, it is a case study of the fastest growing population among the homeless... single moms and their kids. It really is a sad commentary on the way we take take of our marginal populations. Next time you have to step over their "junkie shit", you might try to hear their stories.
You are fully welcome to come over to 16th and Capp in San Francisco and hear their stories yourself.
(No, this is not where I live anymore.)
The place might look familiar. It was on two separate episodes of COPS.
Or, you could always try the Tenderloin, or UN Plaza, or pretty much anywhere in this city.
I'm not saying that I hate homeless people. I'm jaded about it. But at least I have the decency to look them in the eye and acknowledge them when I tell them that I'm not going to give them any money.
Definitely better than my friend when he is drunk. He screams at them and demands a resume when they ask for change. I'm like "Damn, Bill. Even I don't have a resume with me."
I will say that I always hated those fucking hypocrites who said that they didn't want to give a homeless person money because they might spend it on drugs or alcohol. The way I see it, once you give them money, it's their money and they can do whatever the fuck they want with it.
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I am most certainly dead set against arming the homeless. I would prefer the people I make fun of be unarmed.
Oh. i dont mean to arm the homeless. i mean i would want to shoot Dr Phil. in order to do that i would need to buy a gun. i can only do that in the US. Perhaps everything fun is not good for me.
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I was in Brighton once with my brother and some homeless guys were sitting around NOT begging, they were just grouped in keeping each other sane, anyways we stopped to shoot the breeze with them and find out a little of what took them to the streets, it was really sad, most had been kicked out of home because they were unruly teens!! A couple of the girls had left home because they were being abused by step dad or being beaten, to them a life on the street was better than that! So we gave them a pack of cigarettes and they said we were about the only people who ever wantyed to know their story, the rest just look at them like their scum, in a selfish way i felt goosd about myself for having just listened to them....
Later on there was this old guy who had clearly been on the bottle, he said he was well hungry and hadn't eaten in days, i went across to McDonlads and bought him virtually everything they sell & took it back to him, he looked at me like I was mental, he didn't want that, he wanted money...i was enraged, so I waked back to the 1st group and gave them the food, they were a litte upset because they didn't want charity, it took some persuading to get them to take it, in the end they did cos I threw the line that it'd make me feel better about myself, I made homeless ppl feel guilty into taking food from me???
Always remember to walk a mile in a man's shoes before judging him.
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Underwear Go Inside the Pants
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2 ... oes_1.html (http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2004/11/underwear_goes_1.html)
We're told the homeless are mostly mentally ill. In fact, the MI are less than 1/4 of the homeless population.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ess#207403 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=207403&highlight=homeless#207403)
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ess#102828 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=102828&highlight=homeless#102828)
Many of the homeless are actually employed (working poor)
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/articl ... le_id=5477 (http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=5477)
http://www.barbaraehrenreich.com/decent_wages.htm (http://www.barbaraehrenreich.com/decent_wages.htm)
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I gave up on tv about a year ago, tried to watch some the other day and STILL couldn't find a single genuine original thought there, so I guess I'm not missing much.
Yeah, but there were some great quotes in "Magnum Force" (starring Clint Eastwood). I saw it on TV last night. I guess there's an exception to just about every rule.
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You wouldn't believe how many people have free time during the day over here. I'm amazed that anyone in San Francisco works. When I'm not in class and have a day off, I see people in cafes and hanging out and doing whatever.
Ah, the good ol' days!
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the way the bumfights cut his hair was hilarious. made the video worth watching. :lol:
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Montel did a show for TBS survivors and admitted doing wrong in sending his own child away, read the press release from WWASPS with the most sarcastic tone you could expect out of him, and then got visibly pissed off.
Being an ex marine, I'd really like to see him do another show and get some of the WWASPS fat cats on stage and let them try to pull a fast one on him.
I don't know about OPRAH doing jack shit, but considering shes responsible for harking STRAIGHT back in the day, AND shes the reason Dr. Phil puts his cabbage patch kid with an eagle's nest and a gay moustache face on TV so much now, I think shes a fat stupid bitch with too much popularity (approaching a cult of personality here) who needs to be taken as what she is - A FUCKING TV PERSONALITY!
Anyone going to her or anyone riding her coat tails for advice about a god damn thing except the book of the month needs to get slapped.
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The only good thing about Oprah is that she's there... so people like Debra Wilson from MadTV can do incredibly funny, flawless impressions of her.
"That's why I'm Opraaaaaaaahhh."
There was a skit where Wilson was playing Oprah and Michael McDonald was playing Dr. Phil, and they just drop everything and start making out. Laughed my ass off.
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The only good thing about Oprah is that she's there... so people like Debra Wilson from MadTV can do incredibly funny, flawless impressions of her.
"That's why I'm Opraaaaaaaahhh."
There was a skit where Wilson was playing Oprah and Michael McDonald was playing Dr. Phil, and they just drop everything and start making out. Laughed my ass off.
When she turned into a monster and killed everyone in the audience and Dr. Phil just goes "not again... not again dammit" I was rolling :rofl:
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um...
dr phil sends kids to program all the time.
not only that...but he had a kid KIDNAPPED and FORCED to appear on his show
. his mother gave degrading details(true or not) of the boys personal life on NETWORK TV, they had a montage of all the things the boy suposedly did, the boy is sitting there horrified, ashamed desperate.
. Dr Phil denounces him as a drug addict and sick. The audience bursts into bloodthirsty applause. The kid tries to make an escape. The abducters-"escorts" restrain him. "now...we dont want to have to hand cuff you". The audience cheers
Dr Phill announces you are going to rehab The boy tries to fight back.."YOu cant do this to me". Dr Phil says no I cant , but your parents can. MOM do you think your son needs to be somewhere he can get help?"
The Mom is positively drooling with stimulation of being the hero/victim finnally standing up to her son. The boy is led away in handcuffs. The audience hollers in solidarity
Now , how exactly do you justify kidnapping a human being and forcing them to be on a reality TV show???...where you are debased and labeled in front of every human being you ever knew?
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Can someonw say MAJOR LAWSUIT?!!?? If someone can only reach this kid.....he could really wreck some vengence. Like 10s of millions in vengence
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Dr. Phil is just a preachy we want to help you kind of 'colliseum' for the masses of housewives out there sick of soap operas.
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First post on this page: You've got to be fucking kidding me. I don't think I've ever heard of anything that fucking sick happening on television. When the hell was this?
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I thought Dr. Phil was bullshit from day one. My friend posted in her journal about a thing he was doing with a group of people, and he was asking them "Are you a giver, or a taker?" The blood drained out of my face. I said "What the fuck? That's from fucking Lifespring! He's using Lifespring!"
I go online to discover that he has a five day workshop. Most of the activities are kept secret, but it does talk about the red/green game, another lifespring/CEDU(summit) exercise. Except I believe he called it the red/black game. I'm assuming that the rest of the workshop was pretty much the same script, since LS is also five days, and the summit is 6.
So yeah, he is a total program tool.
By the way Anne, that is an awesome Zappa quote.
http://www.john-hanley-sr.com/index.htm (http://www.john-hanley-sr.com/index.htm)
Interview with Dr. John Hanley - Page 8
INT: Can you just give me a rundown of the history of the development of Lifespring from its inception?
JH: I can. Actually we started in San Francisco and then we expanded to Portland, Oregon. Then we went to Orange County, and then from Orange County to L.A., and then we went way across the country to Washington D.C., and then we spun off the East Coast from Washington, and then ultimately the hub of the East was New York. Then from New York--sorry, we did Washington, Philadelphia then New York--and then from New York we had people coming in from Florida and Atlanta. Then eventually we spun Atlanta and the Miami area after that. Then we went back to the Midwest. We had Dallas, then we opened Chicago, and so it goes, you know. I think we had fifteen or eighteen centers in the US.
INT: Over what period of time did this expansion take place?
JH: Well, let's see. The first three or four came within the first couple of years, and then the next ten took about five or six years more.
INT: So you started in the mid-70s?so that takes us up basically to the mid-80s, right? So you're at that point?
JH: Yeah.
INT: Then at that point you just worked on continuing to develop into these cities?
JH: Yeah. We started also to work on new products. By that time we'd come up with several workshops. We had invented a new training called the Masters Course which we felt was a premium piece of work, and we really took it upon ourselves to continue to develop our staff, our trainers, and our trainings.
Then we began to look overseas. We opened up Tokyo, Japan in 1977 and then, about 1990--I cannot remember exactly, maybe '92--we sold the license for Asia to a company called AsiaWorks. And then we trained all their trainers as well as our own. AsiaWorks is a big company today and is doing very well. Again, all Lifespring trained personnel and Lifespring technology.
And then we saw several spin-offs around the world, with several here in the US. I think the most interesting spin off is Dr. Phil. In fact, the first day somebody called me and said, "Did you know that Dr. Phil on the Oprah show has the Lifespring training?" I said, "No, I did not." And they said, "Well, you should tune into this and watch it." And I did, and I was simply amazed that somehow this guy had gotten our manual and, verbatim, took the basic training as his own and then followed with the Advanced course as his own. Really, if you watch Dr. Phil, for those who've seen the show and have done Lifespring trainings, you will know that there's only one place he could have gotten that information and that is the Lifespring Basic and Advanced courses.
INT: So you're not aware of how he ended up having that information?
JH: No, I'm not, actually. But, he got it.
INT: That is wild.
JH: Yeah, it really is. Well, it's wild because, when we started out, we were (how would you say?) 'high risk.' And people were sort of looking at us cross-eyed saying "Come on now, is this really possible that for five days you can give me my life back--you can turn my whole life around? I don't think so." So this was met with a lot of scepticism, and I think most everything is. FedEx was met with a lot of scepticism too, so we're in good hands. You know, today, if you really look carefully, you will see experiential learning and, really, the center-points of the Lifespring training in almost every corporate training in America. I think, globally, you'll see pieces of it here and there, and I think the next step is going to be seeing pieces of it in the high schools and colleges around the country.
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When the hell was that written? Isn't lifespring defunct now? I thought they got shut down.
Yeah, I was sorta wondering where Dr. Phil got the manual, and then on the other hand, I was sorta just not giving a shit. I remember being pissed off at the time, cause I still had some unresolved issues with CEDU.
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um...
dr phil sends kids to program all the time.
not only that...but he had a kid KIDNAPPED and FORCED to appear on his show
. his mother gave degrading details(true or not) of the boys personal life on NETWORK TV, they had a montage of all the things the boy suposedly did, the boy is sitting there horrified, ashamed desperate.
. Dr Phil denounces him as a drug addict and sick. The audience bursts into bloodthirsty applause. The kid tries to make an escape. The abducters-"escorts" restrain him. "now...we dont want to have to hand cuff you". The audience cheers
Dr Phill announces you are going to rehab The boy tries to fight back.."YOu cant do this to me". Dr Phil says no I cant , but your parents can. MOM do you think your son needs to be somewhere he can get help?"
The Mom is positively drooling with stimulation of being the hero/victim finnally standing up to her son. The boy is led away in handcuffs. The audience hollers in solidarity
Now , how exactly do you justify kidnapping a human being and forcing them to be on a reality TV show???...where you are debased and labeled in front of every human being you ever knew?
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Can someonw say MAJOR LAWSUIT?!!?? If someone can only reach this kid.....he could really wreck some vengence. Like 10s of millions in vengence
Woiuld be interesting to know if the lad in question decided to behave like a human being after that
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Every last vestige of his humanity was likely immolated right there and then. I'd be surprised if he came out of that anything other than either a quivering, sobbing lump of flesh with enormous addiction issues (as the drugs are the only things to make the memories go away), or simply a vicious psychopath with no respect for any life, not even his own.
You think your kids are nasty now, you better pray they never experience that kind of shit.
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Don't worry they won't, I have no desire to take my kids on national TV to have our problems broadcast to the nation, we have a couple of programs like that here, trisha and jeremy Kyle and it makes me cringe when I see these people shouting and cussing and carrying on like inbreds in front of everyone, it's a real Jerry Springer situation - these ppl can't see that no one in that studio gives a rats arse about the situation as long as it makes great TV ratings
Some people really have no decorum
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You can read a really damning critique of that program, where he sent the boy by escort to wilderness, here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p= ... light=phil (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=80517&highlight=phil)
Angela Smith blasts Phil in The Enquirer for sending a kids to Provo Canyon
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p= ... light=phil (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=78571&highlight=phil)
I believe Phil?s attraction to programs in based on his Lifespring/Workshop/Program background.
His ?Pathways? program is listed as an LGAT at this site:
http://perso.orange.fr/eldon.braun/awareness/ (http://perso.orange.fr/eldon.braun/awareness/)
In addition to Adult seminars, Pathways also offers Teen Camps and Seminars
As he told Andy Lawrence, ?Pathways is one of the top two things I am most proud of?.
He founded Pathways in 1985 in Wichita Falls, TX where he was a professional psychologist in private practice with his dad, Dr. Joe McGraw. According to Phil, he developed Pathways because he knew there had to be a better and quicker way for people to knock down the barriers preventing them from being successful in all areas of their life, and he was right! Since he opened Pathways? doors, the classes have filled by word-of-mouth for 18 years and have changed the lives of thousands and thousands of people nationally and internationally.
Although no longer involved in Pathways, Dr. McGraw works with Pathways in a consulting fashion in order to ensure Pathways stays true to his original training model. He trained Andy Lawrence, the lead facilitator, and personally conducted the Pathways Weekend /Walk in March 2001. Dr. Phil invited Andy and Christie Lawrence to assist him in creating the "Get Real Challenge", which aired on the Oprah Show in the fall. http://gopathways.org/dr_phil_mcgraw.htm (http://gopathways.org/dr_phil_mcgraw.htm)
http://www.emediawire.com/newsbycategor ... 09-04/220/ (http://www.emediawire.com/newsbycategory/730/2004-09-04/220/)
The Dr. Lawlis on Dr. Phil's Approaches Series from Professional CEU names April Diane Glunt(Life Coach) a Senior Life Strategist Coach. ProfessionalCEU is pleased to announce that April Diane Glunt is now a Senior Life Strategist Coach. As a Senior Life Strategist, April Diane has been taught all of the theories and techniques behind all of Dr. Phil's methodologies. April Diane has been trained by Dr. Phil's own teacher 'from way back when' and mentor, Dr. Lawlis, and is now able to effectively guide anyone who is willing to do what it takes through Dr.Phil's books (Self Matters, Life Strategies and Relationship Rescue). - 2004-05-27
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/5/prweb128432.htm (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/5/prweb128432.htm)
Life Coach and founder of DesignerLife, April Diane Glunt now has Fearbuster Groups across the U.S.
(PRWEB) May 24, 2004 -- The Fearless Living Institute is pleased to announce that April Diane Glunt, LifeCoach and founder of DesignerLife, is now a Fearless Living Fearbuster Group Leader.
As a Certified Fearbuster Group Leader, April has been trained to support others on how to live without fear.
http://www.fearlessliving.org/fearless/index.jsp (http://www.fearlessliving.org/fearless/index.jsp)
http://www.learndrphilfromlawlis.com/main/index.cfm (http://www.learndrphilfromlawlis.com/main/index.cfm)
http://www.learndrphilfromlawlis.com/ma ... herapy.cfm (http://www.learndrphilfromlawlis.com/main/whatIsMyTherapy.cfm)
"Dr. Frank Lawlis, the principal content advisor to the Dr. Phil Show, is developing a national network of therapists and Life Strategists to handle inquiries and referrals from Dr. Phil's 7.5 million daily viewers.
The Dr. Lawlis on Dr. Phil's Approaches Series from ProfessionalCEU will be used to train this network of therapists. Once you obtain associate status, you'll become a referral network therapist, authorized to help clients according to Dr. Phil's approach.
Dr. Phil viewers who desire counseling will be referred to the Therapist Network, where they will be able to search for a licensed practitioner who has completed training in this program. Once a visitor selects a practitioner, they can schedule and pay for in-person, phone, or online therapy sessions through the site."
http://www.life-strategist.com/ (http://www.life-strategist.com/)
"Life-Strategist.com is offered as a locator service to persons in the general public who desire to identify, locate and learn about life coaches who have received specialized training in the approaches used by Dr. Phil McGraw as taught by G. Frank Lawlis."
One of his favorite phrases, "How's that working for you?" "Would you rather be right or would you rather be happy?"is straight out of est, and his program is nothing but an LGAT seminar- Confrontation, humiliation.
Oprah?s apparently into est/Lifespring as well. Found several mentions. I saw mention of a headline like "Oprah Switches from Estrogen to est", but couldn't find it. She?s had Life Coaches on, directly connected.
Dr Phil?s Life Laws, particularly 2,3,4,6, straight out of est. Ever talk to a WWASP parent. There?s no right/wrong, only what works. You are at cause in your life, responsible for everything that happens to you, even rape. Blah, blah
Life Law #1: You either get it or you don't.
Life Law #2: You create your own experience.
Life Law #3: People do what works.
Life Law #4: You cannot change what you do not acknowledge.
Life Law #5: Life rewards action.
Life Law #6: There is no reality, only perception.
Life Law #7: Life is managed; it is not cured.
Life Law #8: We teach people how to treat us.
Life Law #9: There is power in forgiveness.
Life Law #10: You have to name it before you can claim it.
This next article is long and goes into how he screwed his first partner, Thelma Box, in the self-help seminar business.
http://archive.salon.com/ent/feature/20 ... ex_np.html (http://archive.salon.com/ent/feature/2003/11/24/phil/index_np.html)
The most notable of the complaints outlined in the book and in investigative articles predating it come from a former therapy client of McGraw's who claims that he carried on a controlling and sometimes sexually inappropriate relationship with her. The client was 19 years old at the time, and alleges that McGraw touched her inappropriately, insisted that she check in with him often, and kept her "totally dependent" on him. She eventually filed a complaint with the Texas State Board of Examiners of Psychologists. Although McGraw settled with the board, disciplinary actions taken by the board were quite firm, including, according to "The Making of Dr. Phil," "a public letter of reprimand, a year of supervision by a licensed psychologist, complete physical and psychological exams, and an ethics class." A year after the official reprimand was issued in 1988, McGraw closed his private practice and entered into the business of trial consulting, where he fortuitously consulted Oprah Winfrey when she was defending herself against libel charges from Texas cattlemen. Although McGraw downplays the incident with the 19-year-old patient, claiming that it was "investigated and dismissed" and that he was fed up with his work as a therapist anyway, the timing of his career change is impossible to ignore.
On one show, a teenaged son is tricked into appearing under false pretenses, and is then confronted and threatened with a total withdrawal of support and protection from incarceration if he doesn't enter rehab on the spot. Such interventions may be necessary for those with drug problems, but surely taking such avenues on national television should be considered cruel and unusual punishment for a teenager, who's apt to be consumed by appearances. Indeed, the boy seems mortified by the situation and appalled that his parents have lied to him. ...
Whether Dr. Phil has just saved the kid's life or shamed him in front of millions of viewers goes unchallenged -- by both the audience and the kid's family. Instead, they all stand around, wide-eyed and obedient, waiting to see what the good doctor will prescribe next.
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I'm just remembering this one thread on the CEDU board, about a very sensitive kid who kept trying to defend his friends in group, and who CEDU turned into a rapist.
I'm also thinking of the "Star Wars Kid", who humiliated himself on videotape and was in need of extensive therapy when the Internet got done with him.
It doesn't always happen. It happens, though.
You ever been to the edge, though, TSW? You ever make the decision between enduring humiliation as a human being, or simply selling a piece of yourself to the Devil (rough equivalent) instead?
...No. I don't think I'm ready to reveal why I'm really here yet...
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Its kind of a shame that a magazine or paper more respectable than the Enquirer did not pick this story. i wonder has an internet zine like Slate or one of the big respected broadsheets like the New York Times has not done any kind of story examining Dr Phil's practices?
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I have been way out beyond the edge and back. More times than I care to recount. Yet I haven't lashed out at my parents for it. Haven't taken it out on society, haven't resorted to smoking crack, raping women, bombing federal buildings, or any other sort of infantile bullshit get back game.
Well, you're no fun.
Rape and bombings are quite enjoyable. Nothing like a little non-consensual sex and C4. wheeeee...
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There is no "we" in this industry. There are the people who were fucked, the one's doing the fucking, and the bystanders who got sprayed with shit. Don't kid yourselves.
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I have been way out beyond the edge and back. More times than I care to recount. Yet I haven't lashed out at my parents for it. Haven't taken it out on society, haven't resorted to smoking crack, raping women, bombing federal buildings, or any other sort of infantile bullshit get back game.
Amen, same here, i had a horrific childhood and didn't do any of these things either
I don't talk to my mum though, she does my head in.
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If only it were a game and you could start again if it went wrong :roll:
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Fornits D&D would probably be the most fucked up RP... ever.
Also, :tenbucks: says it comes down to chaotic good vs lawful evil :roll:
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I said chaotic good numnutz
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By the way Anne, that is an awesome Zappa quote.
Thanks, it's one of my favs.
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Lawful good sucks as an alignment. Chaotic evil is the only way to go in AD&D.
I'm a chaotic or true neutral kinda player myself. Never know which way I'm gonna turn. I say, fuck loyalty. The only side I'm on is my own. Needless to say, we get killed a lot cause other players don't like us.
***Castle abandons party during melee. ****
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TS Waygookin wrote:
I have been way out beyond the edge and back. More times than I care to recount. Yet I haven't lashed out at my parents for it. Haven't taken it out on society, haven't resorted to smoking crack, raping women, bombing federal buildings, or any other sort of infantile bullshit get back game.
Crack is back!