Fornits
General Interest => Tacitus' Realm => Topic started by: Deborah on June 12, 2004, 02:04:00 PM
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Are Bush and Cheney about to be removed? Is quiet planning for succession taking place? Will George Tenet testify against them once he is no longer an executive branch employee and covered by executive privilege?
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... detat.html (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060804_coup_detat.html)
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Holy crow! Ruppert has been one of my personal heros for some time. He's usually pretty reliable. Hope springs eternal!
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy
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even with all the coruption haliburton war ect ect ect they are still there, gimmie slik willie anyday.
SyN
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Fantastic information, very compelling! Thanks!
Here is Senator Waxman's site with more information. Perhaps now Americans will see the truth.
http://www.house.gov/waxman/ (http://www.house.gov/waxman/)
Take Care All,
vsp
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Have you seen Ruppert's "Oh Lucy!- You Gotta Lotta Splainin To Do" timeline of events around 911? He offered $1000 to anyone who could prove that any entry was inaccurate.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... _lucy.html (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html)
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Interesting, but no way will Bush and Cheney be removed, just as the white stain on the blue dress didn't mean Clinton was unfit for office, the only way the democrats can get back in power is to win the electorate vote. Something I predict will not happen for the simple reason that a vote for Bush is a vote to keep Kerry from handing America's head on a platter to our enemies because he is confused about what this war is really about.
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they said the same about his daddy. Just to obvious in their corruption.
SyN
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My prediction includes two scenarios . . . the first is that prior to the election, marshal law is declared because of a terrorist threat and the election will be ?postponed? until a later date; the second, Kerry wins and prior to handing over power, marshal law is declared because of a terrorist threat and the handover in power is ?postponed? until a later date. Either way, I think the Republicans will not hand over power. George W early on said it would be much easier if he was a dictator. As to the ?terrorist? threat, I wouldn?t put it past the current administration to lie and make that part all up. I also wouldn?t put it past the administration to actually blow something up or kill people and say it was terrorism to justify the ?postponement?. And, I don?t that that postponed date will every come. I also predict that the American people will stand by and let it happen. This will happen for 2 reasons. Apathy and the fact that most people are working some many hours and days that they don?t have time to protest in the streets. They are too worried about making ends meet and taking care of their kids, ?cause as you know, if you have kids, there isn?t much quality affordable day care around much anymore. Some welcome to 1984; it has just been ?postponed? a few years.
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its disgusting how blatant they are. Lets have another tea party shall we.....I didnt think of the marshal law card and I'm sure Bush didnt either, he still cant figure out how those shoe laces work.
SyN
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copied from my post at elan forum.
When a PREDOMINENT replubican such as Lee Iacocca leaves the party to endorse a Democrate you know the republican party has some serious trouble. Maybe it was the loss of 800K high tech jobs thanks to Bush, Or the Haliburton B.S they wish to cover up, or the fact that the Vice President has shown and done nothing for the American people, people start loosing faith. Either way As Most news organizations in the USA and around the world see it, the Haliburton ( Bush) admin is loosing steam fast. They are out of touch with us and are to obvious about their deceit. Notice how they slam on Clinton so much these days? Just trying to gain some kinda hope. And thank you Michael Moore for stepping up to the plate as most of us never could. I dont know how much news most of you guys soak in, but i saw the jennings report from cuba and that alone made me despise the Haliburton( Bush) admin for all this deciet they bring. And all Sean Henedy and every other hardcore republican can do in the midst of this world disaster is focus on clintons blow job, and how clintons book is making so much money.
The dollar is down and crashing the 5% are firing americans to make more money in foreign countries. taxes are incredible and they expect us to not pay attention??? Monuka'zzz it pisses me off.
SyN
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Top 25 Republican Party donors (1999-2003) with global consumer brands
1 Altria (formerly Philip Morris) $6.5m
2 AT&T $5.36m
3 Microsoft Corp. $5.12m
4 United Parcel Services $4.48m
5 MBNA $4.38m
6 Citigroup $3.93m
7 Pfizer $3.9m
8 FedEx Corp. $3.4m
9 Bristol-Myers Squibb $3.4m
10 GlaxoSmithKline $3m
11 Wal-Mart $2.85m
12 General Electric $2.58m
13 ExxonMobil $2.35m
14 AOL Time Warner $2.31m
15 Anheuser Busch $2.23m
16 ChevronTexaco $2.2m
17 PepsiCo $1.9m
18 Schering Plough $1.8m
19 Archer Daniels Midland $1.8m
20 Wyeth (formerly American Home Products)$1.74m
21 Alticor Inc. $1.7m
22 American Airlines $1.62m
23 Ford $1.52m
24 BP Amoco $1.25m
25 Disney $1.25m
Top 10 UK brands to boycott
1 Esso
2 Maxwell House
3 Microsoft
4 MBNA
5 Lucozade
6 ASDA
7 Hotpoint
8 AOL
9 Budweiser
10 Walkers crisps
http://www.boycottbush.net/ (http://www.boycottbush.net/)
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And tell me what is this fucking war really about?
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War? It's no war. This US slaughter was part of a cleverly executed business plan with an objective to gain control of the resource (Oil) in Iraq, to instill fear in the masses in order to remove more of our freedoms. To quiet the voice of dissent.
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This is what democracy looks like on its way to dictatorship. Look at every democracy over the past 2,000 years. And guess what - democracies usually last 200 years before they turn back to dictatorship.
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Conspiracy Conspiracy....geesh I ll bet some of you listen and believe Art Bell too, you do know its all about the Aliens don't you.........
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Conspiracy? Could be. Art Bell may even be a partner in the Bush Conspiracy- 'One World Order'- to discredit dissenters. Not all dissenters adhere to the alien theory, btw.
Botton line, One must read all they can and determine who they think is telling the truth.
The following article raised some good questions and combined with the 21 Unanswered Questions
http://unansweredquestions.org/ (http://unansweredquestions.org/) it appears that something is not kosher.
I'm particularly interested to know who tipped off the investors who sold their stock in United and AA. Wouldn't the most stanch supporter find this curious?
http://pilger.carlton.com/print/124759 (http://pilger.carlton.com/print/124759)
New Statesman (London) 16 December 2002
John Pilger reveals the American plan
Two years ago a project set up by the men who now surround George W Bush said what America needed was "a new Pearl Harbor". Its published aims have come alarmingly true, writes John Pilger
The threat posed by US terrorism to the security of nations and individuals was outlined in prophetic detail in a document written more than two years ago and disclosed only recently. What was needed for America to dominate much of humanity and the world's resources, it said, was "some catastrophic and catalysing event - like a new Pearl Harbor".
The attacks of 11 September 2001 provided the "new Pearl Harbor", described as "the opportunity of ages". The extremists who have since exploited 11 September come from the era of Ronald Reagan, when far-right groups and "think-tanks" were established to avenge the American "defeat" in Vietnam. In the 1990s, there was an added agenda: to justify the denial of a "peace dividend" following the cold war. The Project for the New American Century was formed, along with the American Enterprise Institute, the Hudson Institute and others that have since merged the ambitions of the Reagan administration with those of the current Bush regime.
One of George W Bush's "thinkers" is Richard Perle. I interviewed Perle when he was advising Reagan; and when he spoke about "total war", I mistakenly dismissed him as mad. He recently used the term again in describing America's "war on terror". "No stages," he said. "This is total war. We are fighting a variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this talk about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then we will do Iraq . . . this is entirely the wrong way to go about it. If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total war . . . our children will sing great songs about us years from now."
Perle is one of the founders of the Project for the New American Century, the PNAC. Other founders include Dick Cheney, now vice-president, Donald Rumsfeld, defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, deputy defence secretary, I Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, William J Bennett, Reagan's education secretary, and Zalmay Khalilzad, Bush's ambassador to Afghanistan. These are the modern chartists of American terrorism.
The PNAC's seminal report, Rebuilding America's Defences: strategy, forces and resources for a new century, was a blueprint of American aims in all but name. Two years ago it recommended an increase in arms-spending by $48bn so that Washington could "fight and win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars". This has happened. It said the United States should develop "bunker-buster" nuclear weapons and make "star wars" a national priority. This is happening. It said that, in the event of Bush taking power, Iraq should be a target. And so it is.
As for Iraq's alleged "weapons of mass destruction", these were dismissed, in so many words, as a convenient excuse, which it is. "While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification," it says, "the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."
How has this grand strategy been implemented?
A series of articles in the Washington Post, co-authored by Bob Woodward of Watergate fame and based on long interviews with senior members of the Bush administration, reveals how 11 September was manipulated.
On the morning of 12 September 2001, without any evidence of who the hijackers were, Rumsfeld demanded that the US attack Iraq. According to Woodward, Rumsfeld told a cabinet meeting that Iraq should be "a principal target of the first round in the war against terrorism". Iraq was temporarily spared only because Colin Powell, the secretary of state, persuaded Bush that "public opinion has to be prepared before a move against Iraq is possible". Afghanistan was chosen as the softer option.
If Jonathan Steele's estimate in the Guardian is correct, some 20,000 people in Afghanistan paid the price of this debate with their lives.
Time and again, 11 September is described as an "opportunity". In last April's New Yorker, the investigative reporter Nicholas Lemann wrote that Bush's most senior adviser, Condoleezza Rice, told him she had called together senior members of the National Security Council and asked them "to think about 'how do you capitalise on these opportunities'", which she compared with those of "1945 to 1947": the start of the cold war.
Since 11 September, America has established bases at the gateways to all the major sources of fossil fuels, especially central Asia. The Unocal oil company is to build a pipeline across Afghanistan. Bush has scrapped the Kyoto Protocol on greenhouse gas emissions, the war crimes provisions of the International Criminal Court and the anti-ballistic missile treaty. He has said he will use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states "if necessary". Under cover of propaganda about Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, the Bush regime is developing new weapons of mass destruction that undermine international treatieson biological and chemical warfare.
In the Los Angeles Times, the military analyst William Arkin describes a secret army set up by Donald Rumsfeld, similar to those run by Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger and which Congress outlawed. This "super-intelligence support activity" will bring together the "CIA and military covert action, information warfare, and deception". According to a classified document prepared for Rumsfeld, the new organisation, known by its Orwellian moniker as the Proactive Pre-emptive Operations Group, or P2OG, will provoke terrorist attacks which would then require "counter-attack" by the United States on countries "harbouring the terrorists".
In other words, innocent people will be killed by the United States. This is reminiscent of Operation Northwoods, the plan put to President Kennedy by his military chiefs for a phoney terrorist campaign - complete with bombings, hijackings, plane crashes and dead Americans - as justification for an invasion of Cuba. Kennedy rejected it. He was assassinated a few months later. Now Rumsfeld has resurrected Northwoods, but with resources undreamt of in 1963 and with no global rival to invite caution.
You have to keep reminding yourself this is not fantasy: that truly dangerous men, such as Perle and Rumsfeld and Cheney, have power. The thread running through their ruminations is the importance of the media: "the prioritised task of bringing on board journalists of repute to accept our position".
"Our position" is code for lying. Certainly, as a journalist, I have never known official lying to be more pervasive than today. We may laugh at the vacuities in Tony Blair's "Iraq dossier" and Jack Straw's inept lie that Iraq has developed a nuclear bomb (which his minions rushed to "explain"). But the more insidious lies, justifying an unprovoked attack on Iraq and linking it to would-be terrorists who are said to lurk in every Tube station, are routinely channelled as news. They are not news; they are black propaganda.
This corruption makes journalists and broadcasters mere ventriloquists' dummies. An attack on a nation of 22 million suffering people is discussed by liberal commentators as if it were a subject at an academic seminar, at which pieces can be pushed around a map, as the old imperialists used to do.
The issue for these humanitarians is not primarily the brutality of modern imperial domination, but how "bad" Saddam Hussein is. There is no admission that their decision to join the war party further seals the fate of perhaps thousands of innocent Iraqis condemned to wait on America's international death row. Their doublethink will not work. You cannot support murderous piracy in the name of humanitarianism. Moreover, the extremes of American fundamentalism that we now face have been staring at us for too long for those of good heart and sense not to recognise them.
Project for the New American Century (PNAC)
http://www.newamericancentury.org/Rebui ... fenses.pdf (http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf)
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