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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 27, 2005, 07:48:00 PM
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What behaviors precipitated sending the children to Whitmore? :???:
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Maybe they acted just like Ms. Scheff's daughter. HUH?
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I guess I don't get it. What do you mean by "like Ms. Scheff's daughter"?
Were there specific behaviors that these kids presented with or what? This is a serious question.
Will someone who can be serious and not sarcastic answer it?
Thank you. :???:
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Perhaps it is none of your business?
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On 2005-06-27 18:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Perhaps it is none of your business? "
What kind of answer is that? I am searching for a serious answer. Surely, there is someone reading this that can be civil. :???:
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No one is interested in yakking with you Sue.
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Does anyone have the clinical definitionn for BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER? Might want to share it here....somoeone may need to read up on it.
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On 2005-06-27 18:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No one is interested in yakking with you Sue."
Actually, I'm not Sue...and, from what I have read, I'm glad for that!
I am simply searching for answers to what the parents were experiencing with their children that made them decide to seek out Sue Scheff, etc.
Can anyone help out with this? :???:
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On 2005-06-27 18:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
I am simply searching for answers to what the parents were experiencing with their children that made them decide to seek out Sue Scheff, etc.
Can anyone help out with this? :???: "
Parents are most likely reluctant to reply here as this is a place quite belligerent to Whitmore parents who have had positive experiences / results.
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On 2005-06-27 19:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-27 18:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
I am simply searching for answers to what the parents were experiencing with their children that made them decide to seek out Sue Scheff, etc.
Can anyone help out with this? :???: "
Parents are most likely reluctant to reply here as this is a place quite belligerent to Whitmore parents who have had positive experiences / results.
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I appreciate your honest response, however, I am not asking about experiences at Whitmore.
I am inquiring about the behaviors the children presented with prior to placement at Whitmore or any other facility.
What were the signs or symptoms?
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On 2005-06-27 18:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does anyone have the clinical definitionn for BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER? Might want to share it here....somoeone may need to read up on it."
What does this reply have to do with anything posted on the current topic?
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Well if not interested in Whitmore---go post somewhere else....WHO THE HELL YOU TRYING TO FOOL DITSO? You DO have the brain of a pea! Sorry, pea.
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On 2005-06-27 19:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well if not interested in Whitmore---go post somewhere else....WHO THE HELL YOU TRYING TO FOOL DITSO? You DO have the brain of a pea! Sorry, pea."
Can't we just all get along and act like grownups? :em:
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is anyone on here that continues to ramble about Sue's daughter, know that she is deceased? If any of you have any respect or decency, you would not talk about her daughter in such ways.
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On 2005-06-27 19:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"is anyone on here that continues to ramble about Sue's daughter, know that she is deceased? If any of you have any respect or decency, you would not talk about her daughter in such ways. "
Good point. Sadly, I don't think the people who make the rude remarks on this website really care. They are just in it for the confrontation. :roll:
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On 2005-06-27 19:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"is anyone on here that continues to ramble about Sue's daughter, know that she is deceased? If any of you have any respect or decency, you would not talk about her daughter in such ways. "
Is this true?
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Signs/Symptoms of Borderline Personality Disorder:
Preoccupied with fantasies of of power
Has a sense of entitlement
Is exploitative
Shows arrogant behaviours
Believes she is "special"
Has patterns of grandiosity and self-importance
Will fraudulently claim to have qualifications
which she doesn't have.
When rejected will denounce the profession which
has rejected her.
Has a need for constant attention.
Has difficulty recognizing the needs of others.
Oblivious to the hurtfulness of her behaviors.
Disdainful attitude.
Quick to blame, criticize others.
Is interpresonally exploitative
Lacks empathy.
Sound like anyone we all know???????? Or wish we didn't know?????
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BPD....someone asked for "signs and symptoms" Why not on this topic??? Just reminded me of "someone."
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yes it is true.
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On 2005-06-27 19:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"BPD....someone asked for "signs and symptoms" Why not on this topic??? Just reminded me of "someone.""
:eek:
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On 2005-06-27 19:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"is anyone on here that continues to ramble about Sue's daughter, know that she is deceased? If any of you have any respect or decency, you would not talk about her daughter in such ways. "
Are you talking about Sue Scheff's daughter being deceased?
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On 2005-06-27 19:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Signs/Symptoms of Borderline Personality Disorder:
Preoccupied with fantasies of of power
Has a sense of entitlement
Is exploitative
Shows arrogant behaviours
Believes she is "special"
Has patterns of grandiosity and self-importance
Will fraudulently claim to have qualifications
which she doesn't have.
When rejected will denounce the profession which
has rejected her.
Has a need for constant attention.
Has difficulty recognizing the needs of others.
Oblivious to the hurtfulness of her behaviors.
Disdainful attitude.
Quick to blame, criticize others.
Is interpresonally exploitative
Lacks empathy.
Sound like anyone we all know???????? Or wish we didn't know?????"
Are you an expert or just making this up?
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Not an expert. Didn't make this up. Go read for yourself....insightful stuff. It does help to understand those who come after you, and how he/she operates/thinks.
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On 2005-06-27 19:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"yes it is true. "
Says who?
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Hard to believe someone posting ANONYMOUSLY would come on and say something like that!
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Id like to know how many personality disorders are postig on this site, seems like many.
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Posting on this site does not harm children, now does it? BUT referring children to abusive programs does and can cause lots of harm. So lets hope we can keep these personality disorderd people busy posting and not referring.
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BPD is very complicated and not every person who meets the diagnostic criteria will have all those traits. Many of them are also often found in the Narcissist; and many a BPD is said to have Narcissistic tendencies - or Narcissistic personality disorder as well. The two disorders can look a lot alike. The behaviors can be very similar. The difference is WHY the person behaves the way they do. The Narcisisist and the BPD patient have very different reasons for behaving in much the same ways. So, when it comes to trying to treat them, it is important to know what the major diegnosis is - b/c their needs in therapy are very different.
for info on BPD, you might want to see:
http://www.mhsanctuary.com/borderline/ (http://www.mhsanctuary.com/borderline/)
also has links to pages on other disorders.
Heres another BPD site:
http://www.bpdcentral.com/ (http://www.bpdcentral.com/)
I'd like to no more about this death you anons speak of. I have not heard anything like that, I and I think I would have. So, what are you talking about? If Sue's daughter died - then how and when? No reason to keep it a secrete is there? I assume not, as you've gone on a public forum and said the girl has died. This would be shocking news to a lot of people and so I can't help wanting to know what you are talking about.
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That is absolutely DISGRACFUL that some ANON would post that Sue Scheff OF PURE's daughter has DIED. That is not a true statement.
Someone asked the question:
How did the kids at Whitmore act prior to coming to Whitmore?
Many most probably acted a lot like Sue Scheff's daughter acted prior to Sue Sheff placing her daughter in a WWASP Program.
Since Sue Scheff referred most of these kids to Whitmore, perhaps Ms. Scheff could explain how these Whitmore kids and her own daughter were behaving prior to placements. She does have the knowledge about her own daughter, and about the kids that she placed at Whitmore.
Perhaps she can enlighten everyone.
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On 2005-06-28 09:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That is absolutely DISGRACFUL that some ANON would post that Sue Scheff OF PURE's daughter has DIED. That is not a true statement.
Someone asked the question:
How did the kids at Whitmore act prior to coming to Whitmore?
Many most probably acted a lot like Sue Scheff's daughter acted prior to Sue Sheff placing her daughter in a WWASP Program.
Since Sue Scheff referred most of these kids to Whitmore, perhaps Ms. Scheff could explain how these Whitmore kids and her own daughter were behaving prior to placements. She does have the knowledge about her own daughter, and about the kids that she placed at Whitmore.
Perhaps she can enlighten everyone."
Amazing how low some people will go, isn't it?
Claiming a child is dead because somebody asked a question about PURE?
What is wrong with these people? Do they even have a moral compass?
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
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Sue has a son too. Let's see if they kill him off too.
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Heard Scheff is still pursuing some lawsuit against WWASP for her daughter being "abused" while in the program there. Any substance to this hearsay? Now that makes one wonder why? Scheff sure calls Whitmore kids and their parents liars who allege any abuse at Whitmore. GUESS Scheff wants people to think that kids ONLY get abused in big bad WWASP programs.
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how could anyone sit there and say something about her son being killed off too? Whoever said that has not one bit of respect or any decency. How would you feel if someone said that about your kid. I am guessing it is a kid that said that though, as an adult figure would know in fact that that would be crossing the lines..no matter what side anyone is on. The death of a person is no joking matter.
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On 2005-06-28 13:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"how could anyone sit there and say something about her son being killed off too? Whoever said that has not one bit of respect or any decency. How would you feel if someone said that about your kid. I am guessing it is a kid that said that though, as an adult figure would know in fact that that would be crossing the lines..no matter what side anyone is on. The death of a person is no joking matter. "
First of all, who posted the claim that Sue Scheff's daughter was deceased? Let's start there because apparently that was a lie.
Who would do such a thing? Make up a story and/or blatantly lie about the death of a child?
Let's see if we get an answer to these questions. Whether it was a teen or an adult, somebody posted the information knowing it was false.
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On 2005-06-27 16:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What behaviors precipitated sending the children to Whitmore? :???: "
OKAY, now that we have gone through all this irrelevant verbage, can we get back to the original question? Please see the quote posted above....thank you. :???:
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Ask Sue Scheff: She sent most if not all these parents and their kids to Whitmore. She can tell you. Bet a lot of them had the same type problems that sent her--a desperate parent rushing off to the WWASP program in search of help for her daughter.
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The Question is also posted on another thread:
What is the difference between WWASP and PURE?
Perhaps Ms. Scheff could answer that question too while she's at it.
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On 2005-06-28 20:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ask Sue Scheff: She sent most if not all these parents and their kids to Whitmore. She can tell you. Bet a lot of them had the same type problems that sent her--a desperate parent rushing off to the WWASP program in search of help for her daughter."
Why do you (ANON) keep referring this question to Sue Scheff? If I wanted to talk with her, I would contact her. I'm trying to get an answer from parent(s) who sent a child to Whitmore. So, please, if your only reply is to "ask Sue Scheff" then save your time by not responding to this post. :???:
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Gues you wouldn't be interested in any more BPD information either then, HUH? Nite, S
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On 2005-06-28 20:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Gues you wouldn't be interested in any more BPD information either then, HUH? Nite, S"
Obviously, your own issues prevent you from any kind of dialogue regarding the kinds of behaviors treated at the Whitmore Academy. So, please restrain yourself and give others a chance to respond.
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Mark Sudweeks announced in the Tribune Article that Whitmore Academy is not longer a treatment facility, and that the Sudweeks "are no longer in the teen help business." The Sudweeks CLAIM they are only an academic boarding school, and do not want to be licensed and regulated by the State of Utah by Ken Stettler's Office.
They also Claim that "DR" Bernie Farrow is ONLY a school counselor....which is "a good thing" since his PhD is said to be a mail-ordered one anyway.
So, there SHOULD NOT BE ANY "STUDENTS" at the Whitmore right now that even require any treatment what-so-ever anyway, according to the Sudweeks.
All one should find at the Whitmore, according to the Sudweeks are "academic boarding students."
So--there should be no therapy happening at the Whitmore...no group therapy, no individual therapy. JUST GOOD OLE ACADEMICS!
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I'm glad you made clear what Whitmore is now. You're right about all that, other than Dr Farrow's PhD. Actually, he has probably four or five degrees, all on the wall in his office, which I have seen personally. I've spoken with him and he is definitely an educated man. Why are you dragging him into all this, anyway?
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If you've still got a lot of the same kids from your program days, how is it that none of the kids there need treatment anymore? Wouldn't you need to get a whole new batch?? That's completely ridiculous. That's like a high school being turned into a grade school with all the teens still attending..."No, we sure don't teach algebra here!" Think about it! Of course they're still doing treatment, if you can call it that. They are LYING. Angelina, are you sure Bernie Farrow had five (count'em five) degrees on the wall? Or is this just another exaggeration like Cheryl calling their last counselor "Dr." Tim Lowe, when the highest degree he had was a Masters? Let me know.
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Well, I don't feel like walking over to the other building just to count some paper on the wall, but I have seen them and there are a ton. I haven't asked Cheryl anything about Dr Farrow, nor have I heard anything from her relating to his qualifications.
What kids still attend Whitmore from 'your program days'? From what I've seen the only possible one is that girl Caitlyn since she's been there almost two years. Next to that is some boy who has been there a year, I forget his name.
But look, don't people stop needing therapy after a while? Just because someone needs it once in their life doesn't mean they will until death. Doesn't even mean they'll need it a month from that time. People get over their problems eventually.
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On 2005-06-29 12:03:00, mouse wrote:
But look, don't people stop needing therapy after a while? Just because someone needs it once in their life doesn't mean they will until death. Doesn't even mean they'll need it a month from that time. People get over their problems eventually.
Therapy???? What the hell are you talking about, kid? The Whit is not a treatment program. It's just a boarding school. No therapy going on there at all. Just ask Mark.It's a damn poor mind that can think of only one way to spell a word! --
--Andrew Jackson
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On 2005-06-29 12:03:00, mouse wrote:
"Well, I don't feel like walking over to the other building just to count some paper on the wall, but I have seen them and there are a ton. I haven't asked Cheryl anything about Dr Farrow, nor have I heard anything from her relating to his qualifications.
What kids still attend Whitmore from 'your program days'? From what I've seen the only possible one is that girl Caitlyn since she's been there almost two years. Next to that is some boy who has been there a year, I forget his name.
But look, don't people stop needing therapy after a while? Just because someone needs it once in their life doesn't mean they will until death. Doesn't even mean they'll need it a month from that time. People get over their problems eventually."
OMG .. there is a kid that's been in a progrm for two years?
What the hell is wrong with these parents? Raising their child in a program?
LOSERS!
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Anyone can have "degrees" on the wall...
Records show Bernie Farrow was fired from Cedar Mountain for "credential" violations.....his PhD problems have long been a problem, MOUSE....and I am sure you think he is an "educated man."
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Tha Truth: again you are correct.
Mr. Ken Stettler heads the Licensing Agency of Utah, and HE has the job of sorting all that out about the THERAPY issue at Whitmore Academy; and he will do his job well. And of course Tim Lowe only had a Masters of Social Work Degree---but didn't it just SOUND BETTER TO CALL HIM "DOCTOR" too????
And of course some of the SAME kids are still at Whitmore who were enrolled there BECAUSE they had issues that required THERAPY. And you, and everyone else, including Mr. Stettler is smart enough to know that just because Mark Sudweeks says "we are no longer in the teen help business" that these kids requiring therarpy didn't just INSTANTLY get-over-it and NOT NEED THERAPY ANY LONGER!
And the kids there on probation, still require reporting that must show those kids are getting the required "help" they need too.
So, the ACADEMICS ONLY, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it Tha Truth?
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And where did you get these records? Because the real ones show he left Cedar because he reported abuse. Ironic, isn't it, that a guy who was fired for reporting abuse is working at a place that was supposed to be abusive? Says something, if you ask me.
And Antigen, I said that because Tha Truth was asking why some kids are still at Whitmore who were there when it was a treatment center. I know it's a boarding school now.
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caitlyn give it up. You are contradicting EVERYTHING youve said. I was there along time ago when there were onyl 10 kids, I was there with Zita..and there were like 40 kids then! GIVE IT UP! and GO HOME!
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Mouse, as recently as their televised "choir practice" there were still roughly 10 kids there that attended when I did. I left less than a year ago and kids come all the time so some are just finishing their year now, some are staying/have stayed longer. Just thought you should know.
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On 2005-06-29 14:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"caitlyn give it up. You are contradicting EVERYTHING youve said. I was there along time ago when there were onyl 10 kids, I was there with Zita..and there were like 40 kids then! GIVE IT UP! and GO HOME!"
Maybe you were there when there were only ten kids, but that was the way it was any time before about two or three years ago, so you could be anyone. The kid been there the longest back then, I think, was Kasey, for three years or something like that. Is that who you are?
Thanks for letting me know, Tha Truth. But couldn't the parents have just changed the contract if they decided their kid didn't need therapy anymore when the transition took place?[ This Message was edited by: mouse on 2005-06-29 15:05 ]
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You can't change the contract after you've already put your name to the original. My parents were some of the few who actually insisted on making revisions before they signed. Most people took the contract as it was, that's why it's biting them in the patoot now. It's still part of the contract (to the best of my knowledge) that the kids will get family therapy biweekly. No regular high schools do that. That sort of thing is definitely out of the realm of regular guidance counselors or career counselors, which Cheryl claims is all they have now. By your own statement, Bernie Farrow is a doctor of psychiatry or psychology (if I understand correctly) with many degrees. Another thing that "normal" schools don't have or need. There are a few too many contradictions going on here.
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Tha Truth: save your breath!
Whoever heard of a "student" being a spokesperson for a school? This is ridulous having this girl speaking for, lying for the Sudweeks. But the contradictions are amusing, aren't they?
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Good point anon. It's just hard to sit idly by when I see all the influence she's having on people people just passing through who dont' know any better. You know it's ridiculous, I know it's ridiculous...I just want everybody else to see it for the joke that it is.
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On 2005-06-29 16:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Tha Truth: save your breath!
Whoever heard of a "student" being a spokesperson for a school? This is ridulous having this girl speaking for, lying for the Sudweeks. But the contradictions are amusing, aren't they?"
I agree, it's ridiculous for a program to have somebody named MOUSE GIRL doing their P.R.
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Tha Truth, don't let it get to ya. I think I know just what you're talking about. You were there, you saw the creepy little slight of mind parlour trick played over and over again. In a group setting like that, people will go along with all kinds of lunacy. And some of those zealot supporters hang out here and pump the database chock full of their hysterics.
But the people just passing through? You don't have to worry about them. Those ones looking at the conversation for the first time? They generally see just what's going on.
The only voluntary urine sample they'll get from me is a taste test
--Bumper Sticker
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Let me get this straight, Mouse. Utah passes a law requiring RTCs to be licensed. Mark and Cheryl declare themselves to be out of the RTC business. And, at the very same time, all the Whit kids who were sent to RTC suddenly no longer need anytghing more than a good, traditional boarding school education (from a boarding school with a tradition younger than the aged cheese in my fridge)
What an amazing series of coincidences!
It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him.
--Arthur C. Clarke, author
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On 2005-06-29 18:32:00, Antigen wrote:
"Let me get this straight, Mouse. Utah passes a law requiring RTCs to be licensed. Mark and Cheryl declare themselves to be out of the RTC business. And, at the very same time, all the Whit kids who were sent to RTC suddenly no longer need anytghing more than a good, traditional boarding school education >
I believe some kids left at that time and some new kids arrived gradually afterward. Some stayed - and yes, there can come a time for some when therapy is no longer needed.
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On 2005-06-27 16:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What behaviors precipitated sending the children to Whitmore? :???: "
For the 3rd time.........can someone with good sense please answer this question? Everyone has spent 3 days talking about everything else but this question. Why don't you just create a different topic that applies to all you have been talking about here. What you have replied with does not apply to the original topic! Pay ATTENTION!
And, to the ANON poster who insists on replying with BPD information, restrain your obsession with Sue Scheff and Cheryl Sudweeks or post to a different topic. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Still Looking for Answers :???:
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On 2005-06-29 19:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-27 16:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What behaviors precipitated sending the children to Whitmore? :???: "
For the 3rd time.........can someone with good sense please answer this question? Everyone has spent 3 days talking about everything else but this question. Why don't you just create a different topic that applies to all you have been talking about here. What you have replied with does not apply to the original topic! Pay ATTENTION!
And, to the ANON poster who insists on replying with BPD information, restrain your obsession with Sue Scheff and Cheryl Sudweeks or post to a different topic. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Still Looking for Answers :???: "
Apparently, the program accepts kids on probation but I doubt you will get anymore information than that considering privacy laws.
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To "Still Looking for Answers":
I would venture to say that perhaps children may end up at Whitmore as a result of behavioral problems at school or home. Parents may be inept or do not have time to deal with the problems and are looking for a quick fix. Just a thought.
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To "Still Looking for Answers" ...
Statistically, I think the evidence shows that many kids end up at places like Whitmore not because their parents are inept, but because they are vulnerable, and as such, make easy targets for hard-selling referral agencies who convince them to act now before it's too late.
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About "these new kids that just arrived."
Were these parents TOLD that the OWNERS of this FINE ACADEMICS ONLY BOARDING SCHOOL were under investigation for child abuse and fraud?
And that Mr. Stettler is asking LOTS of questions about just whether or NOT Whitmore needs to be licensed and regulated by his Agency? Were these parents given FULL DISCLOSURE by these OWNERS and by the REFERRAL company, which it can be "assumed" is PURE?
Are any NEW parents being given FULL DISCLOSURE that Cheryl Sudweeks has been CHARGED with 7 counts of child abuse and that absolutely NO THERAPY is available to any kids being placed there?
Anyone believe the Sudweeks and the Referring consultant are being completely honest with these "new parents and kids?"
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To the ANON who "ventures to say" that the parents may have been looking for a quick fix. You have no idea why any parent enrolled their child at Whitmore, or anything about their parenting skills. You seem to know even less about the teen help industry.
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The previous posting stated that Whitmore apparently accepted students who are on probation. That can not possibly be correct. The contract clearly states that no students with a criminal record can be accepted at the Whitmore Academy! It is right there in the contract!
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On 2005-06-29 19:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-27 16:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What behaviors precipitated sending the children to Whitmore? :wave:
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Who's angry?
Bye bye......S
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On 2005-06-29 22:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Who's angry?
Bye bye......S"
Oh..Obsessed One...please find a topic where you belong. Your constant focus on Sue Scheff and Cheryl Sudweeks is, to say the least, BORING.
Yes, we all probably agree there is a problem or two, or 7, at Whitmore and other RTC's, however, it appears you use this forum more for therapy than for solutions.
Call 1-800-INEEDTHERAPY to help with your apparent issues.
Nite. :roll:
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Did you verify any of your "pat answers" about what types of kids are enrolled at Whitmore when you chatted with the QUEEN OF MEAN ::bangin:: ?
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[quote="Guest"]is anyone on here that continues to ramble about Sue's daughter, know that she is deceased? If any of you have any respect or decency, you would not talk about her daughter in such ways. [/quote]
Sue Scheff made reference to this post on her interview on ABC 20/20.
It appears that Sue Scheff tried to give the impression on 20/20 that there were ongoing Fornits posts that "her daughter had died" in some attempt to defame, or harrass her in some way.
Wonder who this GUEST poster might be?