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For the insane amount of money parents are already paying, shouldn't that level of security already exists?

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No problem. Again, we'll have to agree to disagree, but that isn't the end of the world.

Moving forward though I think the next question is why does this sort of thing keep happening over there? Why is there no screening process for dangerous kids, and where is night security?

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It looks like we'll have to agree to disagree. Given their already proven track record of not reporting incidents as required my thinking is they didn't tell the police or ORS and just attempted to sweep it under the rug. It only came out afterwards at which point they then played catch up. So then at this point neither one of us can prove our case we'll have to move forward with the understanding that RC didn't report safety issues and criminal acts as they are required.

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I disagree. The report says the 'counselor' didn't know it was reportable until 'after the police were involved'. Reportable to whom?

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So why do you think the staff at RC held off on doing that?

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I looked back on my postings and I dont see where I stated that. Do you have a link to refer us to the post in question?

My question to you was just that, a question, and it remains. Do you not think the school is required to call the police in the event of a sexual assault?

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That comes directly from the ORS Report. They require written summary reports of all instances regardless of whether or not the police are called.


So you don't think the school is required to call the police in instances of sexual assault?

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I wonder if RCS is accepting state placement children?


You mean court ordered kids? They always were. As I've said many times, Buchi's only requisite for addmitiance is that each child arrive with a check pinned to his shirt. No consideration is given to whether or the night the child is appropriate for placement. All this does is create an even more dangerous environment for both the staff and the kids.

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The requirement:
R 0861 290-2-5-.08(7) Staffing.
SS=B
Reporting. Detailed written summary reports shall be made to the Department of Human Resources, Office of
Regulatory Services, Residential Child Care Unit via email or fax on the required incident intake information form
(IIIF) within 24 hours.


Whooter are you attempting to claim that calling the police isn't required in instances of sexual assault? Or at the very least isn't just common sense?

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Robert, I would not be too hard on the kids, they are teenagers with raging hormones. Many of these kids have emotional issues, plus I think we all know a lot of this stuff goes on outside of programs also.

Who's being hard on the kids but you? None of them need to be in there to begin with, as they will receive no help from the program. I lay the fault at the staff of RC. Apparently no one over there is doing there job.

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The report did not state that the ORS or DHS called the police. Reading though the report the requirement was that RCS needed to notify DHS within a 24 hour window (not the police). This was not done but the police were notified.


By an unknown third party. The report clearly states the staff member in question did not know he/she was required to notify the police in the instance of sexual assault. Either this person was attempting to sweep the incident under the rug, or is simply a moron. Which do you think it is Whooter?

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I agree with you that RCS is having their share of issues and citations. What we dont know is if this is typical within the private sector. There is nothing to compare these reports to.


I'd love to see some state agency reports detailing other programs. Let us know what you find. In the meantime if it's not typical of the industry, RC should be avoided as it is not safe. If it typical the whole industry should be avoided.

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As far as this specific incident it seems that Resident #1 sat on Resident #2's face and then resident #2 retaliated and attacked resident #1 sexually in his/her bed.

Gosh. That almost sounds like sexual assault. You would think for the amount of money parents paying Buchi, he could run a safer establishment. I mean, where was night security when this was going on? What sort of screening process is in place for the students? Isn't this the second ORS report in a row where we've read about sexual assaults? Why wouldn't RC staff call the police as is required? Why wait for ORS to do it for them? I think we can all agree that it's been firmly established that there are some major safety issues at RC and parents should probably steer clear until some changes can be made.

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Thank you Robert. I will add these two items in. From reading the report it appears that RCS called the police but failed to notify DHS within the window of 24 hours.

Whooter would you mind clarifying for everyone what the police were called for?

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Quote from: "heretik"
These sexual assaults have been well documented here on fornits.

So far you have fallen short in providing any evidence to back up your claims.  If you do have ORS reports on RCS this is the thread to post them in and your contribution will add to the discussion, Heretik.  The programs house sexually active teenagers so the programs have their work cut out for them in providing oversight to keep these kids safe from themselves and each other.  We have a recent ORS report (provided by Jill Ryan) which details a problem of "under staffing" resulting in many kids having sex on the school grounds.  I have not seen any sexual assaults documented via ORS.  If you have them please post them.

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Here you go Whooter:

http://http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001710PQD711.pdf

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During interview with Staff A on 11/23/10 at 3:15 pm he/she stated that this incident (read the paragraph above for details ) was reported outside of the 24 hours requirement because he/she didn't think the incident was reportable until after the police were involved

There you have it Whooter. A sexual assualt that the police needed to become involved in, apparently not at the schools instigation. Anything else?

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No one can dismiss the reports, Robert, they are well documented.

Yet here you are still attempting to claim numerous instances of sexual assault are simply paper work issues, and not safety ones.

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The inspections and paperwork will ultimately add to the safety of the kids from an industry perspective. But from an individual viewpoint many times people feel that they are making the right decisions for the children and dont need the help of outside agencies to tell them what to do or micro manage them. I feel IRS audits are greatly needed in the US and although I run a tight ship and value my accounting team I dont see the need to have them hovering around. I dont call them if I think I violated a law I rely on my professional team, just like people dont call DHS on themselves if they have a problem. They are all valued industries as a whole but most people dont want them around.


The IRS has no reason to believe you when you claim you don't need an audit. The fact is if you didn't fear an audit you might not be so worried about making sure you were doing things correctly. So the same way the fear of the IRS insures that you will balance your books correctly, fear of the ORS and other similar state agencies keeps programmies from abusing kids and violating their rights.

In both instances enough violations means the respective agencies will eventually put you out of business.

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